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1. 01:22 AM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:13 AM - Re: RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:33 AM - Re: 582 RPM Variation (Fox5flyer)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: 582 RPM Variation (Larry Martin)
5. 05:12 AM - fuel, header tank, etc (Larry Martin)
6. 06:43 AM - New Tundra Tires (Harold McConnell)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: fuel, header tank, etc (Allan Aaron)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: New Tundra Tires (mic thiessen)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Synthetic oils (PWilson)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (PWilson)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Header Tank (PWilson)
12. 08:32 AM - Re: fuel, header tank, etc (PWilson)
13. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: 582 RPM Variation (Guy Buchanan)
14. 10:27 AM - Re: New Tundra Tires (Guy Buchanan)
15. 11:10 AM - Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header. (Jimmy Cantrell)
16. 11:23 AM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Don Smythe)
17. 11:26 AM - Re: fuel, header tank, etc (kurt schrader)
18. 11:29 AM - Re: Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header. (Don Smythe)
19. 12:04 PM - Re: Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header. (Gary Olson)
20. 12:06 PM - Factory help (Rueb, Duane)
21. 12:54 PM - Re: LED Nav lights?? (Andy Fultz)
22. 01:23 PM - Re: LED Nav lights?? (Peter Graichen)
23. 02:05 PM - Re: LED Nav lights?? (Andy Fultz)
24. 03:27 PM - Re: Factory help (dcsfoto)
25. 03:39 PM - Re: fuel, header tank, etc (Larry Martin)
26. 03:42 PM - Re: Low level fuel indicators (Lynn Matteson)
27. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: 582 RPM Variation malcolm (Malcolmbru@AOL.COM)
28. 05:08 PM - Re: New Tundra Tires malcolm (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
29. 05:10 PM - Re: Factory help (Jose M. Toro)
30. 05:13 PM - Re: RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
31. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Factory help (jdmcbean)
32. 05:27 PM - Re: Factory help (jdmcbean)
33. 06:20 PM - Re: Factory help (Dave G.)
34. 06:37 PM - Re: Factory help (Ron Liebmann)
35. 07:17 PM - Re: Factory help (Don Pearsall)
36. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Factory help (Jay Fabian)
37. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Factory help (Dave and Diane)
38. 07:58 PM - Re: Name Check - Airplane type (369PL)
39. 09:00 PM - Re: Factory help (Todd Leiss)
40. 09:13 PM - Re: Factory help (john perry)
41. 09:43 PM - Factory Support (Tim Vader)
42. 10:22 PM - Re: Factory help (kurt schrader)
43. 10:48 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (kurt schrader)
44. 11:16 PM - Re: Factory help (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
OFF TOPIC
> From: Willem Huisman [wimhuisman@gmail.com]
> Not a contributor normally, but this one is important.
Do you fly your Kitfox as Experimental or Ultralight, Wim? Where are you ba
sed in The Netherlands?
I am just back from a three days fly-in at Heide-B=FCsum EDXB _ Germany, fo
r the program PocketFMS users. We had, of course, a lot of Dutch pilots com
ing. Even a trike from Lelystad.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival |
I don't know Rex. A quick call to Midland Barstow airport manager
should give an answer to that. Might get lucky and find a courtesy car
or one could rent a car. If I'm around there I might be able to pick
somebody up, but I don't know my schedule yet.
Deke
planning to be there Fri evening at the minimum
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival
Deke,
Is this something we would want to fly the Foxes to or is the
airspace closed around there?
Rex in Southeast Michigan
-- "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
For those of you within commuting distance, weather permitting, this
will be an even worth attending. If you've never seen the "afterglow"
you've really been missing something.
Next Fri/Sat/Sun. The best part is that it's FREE. Just bring a can
of food for the Food Pantry of Midland.
Deke
http://www.remaxofmidland.com/balloonfest.cfm
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
tronics.com
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www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Even though the 582 is a fairly high power to weight engine, because of its
small mass the inertia is fairly low which can cause the engine rpm to
wander around a bit, especially in turbulence when going through thermally
weather. Mine did it and I think they probably all do. In smooth and calm
air it probably should be fairly steady though.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM Variation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 04:35 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
> > I always referred to my problem as "surging". What was happening was,
I
> >would get up to about 4500 RPM's and the sleeve would slip. That caused
the
> >prop to unload and the engine would rev to the outer limits. As soon as
> >this would happen, there would be a great amount of heat developed in the
> >sleeve and it would seize then the prop would be back in the picture and
> >RPM's would settle out. It was intermittent and in short burst.
Appeared
> >to be surging.
>
> Thanks Don. This is definitely not my problem. My RPM's just seem to
> wander. Also Bob Robertson torqued the C-box when he put on the clutch and
> broke in the motor. I'm sure he got it right.
>
> Thanks anyway, though, as it's good information.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
Guy,
I have always had to "fly" my rpm too. It seems that flying along the
rpm will wander a couple hundred or so, and I am always adjusting the
throttle to maintain. This seems to occur more in less smooth air, and
I have attributed it to prop unloading and or minor aircraft attitude
changes/airspeed. My ultra light friends never notice this, which might
be because they don't notice, and their airplanes are more draggy and
less affected by minor changes than our clean frames. In addition, they
use the Westburg type gauges (axes) where as I use digital (micrometer)
readings. I know that my egt tends to wonder constantly within a narrow
range, and the analog gauge doesn't even show the difference.
larry
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| Subject: | fuel, header tank, etc |
I have an Avid with the standard 2 wing tanks. I had always been
uncomfortable with one tank being able to siphon all the fuel out so I
installed shut off valves in each tank. I know that I am know the weak
point (again!) in the system, but I fell much more in control of the
fuel than when they were "1 big tank in 2 wings".
Recently, I added a 3 gal header tank. It is positive pressure feed
with airspeed helping gravity fed from the main tank(s). I tried to run
the tank without a vent, and found that the header will only fill to
about 1.2 capacity. I put a vent with shut off on it and open the vent
only to fill the header (via the wing tank) then close the vent for
normal flight. Otherwise, the fuel will all flow out of the vent. I
was able to ground test this to residual fuel remaining in the lines,
and have air tested to about 11/2 usg remaining. I am very comfortable
with this system. I am ecstatic with know when I have 3 gals or less
remaining, as the header tank is clear and I can see it! Without it, I
didn't know how much gas was remaining with anything less than 5 usg.
aside from timing, which of course is faith.
larry
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| Subject: | New Tundra Tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold McConnell <kf30hm@yahoo.com>
I just purchased a set of 21x12x8 treadless 2 ply
tundra tires from Mippi Ultralights. They are on sale
now for $30 per set(two tires) plus shipping. They
told me that John McBean is one of their dealers and
has the tires for the same price for one week only
then they go back to $40 per tire. I asked about the
12 inch width since the originals were 7 inches and
they assured me that they would fit the Kitfox tube
gear. I made my purchase on eBay but if you are
interested, check with John McBean at the new Kitfox
for a good price.
Harold
KF model 3
582 in North Dakota
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| Subject: | fuel, header tank, etc |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Larry
Can you tell me where and how you mounted the header. What sort of tank is it?
Thank you.
Allan
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Larry Martin"<CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Sent: 11/09/06 10:42:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: fuel, header tank, etc
.... Recently, I added a 3 gal header tank. It is positive pressure feed with
airspeed helping gravity fed from the main tank(s). ....
larry
-----Unmodified Original Message-----
I have an Avid with the standard 2 wing tanks. I had always been uncomfortable
with one tank being able to siphon all the fuel out so I installed shut off
valves in each tank. I know that I am know the weak point (again!) in the system,
but I fell much more in control of the fuel than when they were "1 big
tank in 2 wings".
Recently, I added a 3 gal header tank. It is positive pressure feed with airspeed
helping gravity fed from the main tank(s). I tried to run the tank without
a vent, and found that the header will only fill to about 1.2 capacity. I
put a vent with shut off on it and open the vent only to fill the header (via
the wing tank) then close the vent for normal flight. Otherwise, the fuel will
all flow out of the vent. I was able to ground test this to residual fuel
remaining in the lines, and have air tested to about 11/2 usg remaining. I am
very comfortable with this system. I am ecstatic with know when I have 3 gals
or less remaining, as the header tank is clear and I can see it! Without it,
I didn't know how much gas was remaining with anything less than 5 usg. aside
from timing, which of course is faith.
larry
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| Subject: | New Tundra Tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mic thiessen" <wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
I also purchased a pair and they do Not fit...I will need a spacer of some
kind because the tire rubs on the landing gear...the tires look great but I
have figured out how to off set the rim to avoid contact...any ideas out
there
mic
>From: Harold McConnell <kf30hm@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: New Tundra Tires
>Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold McConnell <kf30hm@yahoo.com>
>
>I just purchased a set of 21x12x8 treadless 2 ply
>tundra tires from Mippi Ultralights. They are on sale
>now for $30 per set(two tires) plus shipping. They
>told me that John McBean is one of their dealers and
>has the tires for the same price for one week only
>then they go back to $40 per tire. I asked about the
>12 inch width since the originals were 7 inches and
>they assured me that they would fit the Kitfox tube
>gear. I made my purchase on eBay but if you are
>interested, check with John McBean at the new Kitfox
>for a good price.
>
>Harold
>KF model 3
>582 in North Dakota
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Synthetic oils |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Yes, with shorter oil changes. Also use the additive, like the spam
can guys do.
Paul
============
At 08:05 PM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I've been told semi synthetic is ok with 100LL? Is this correct?
>
>
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:54:02 -0700
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Dee,
>
>The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate,
>the hit is their inability to keep the lead residues in
>suspension. If you fly strictly with car gas, the
>syntheticsynthetic should be fine. If you occasionally use 100LL
>then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax oil
>recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same
>oil in the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a
>motorcycle engine oil with the gear additive. If your engine is
>similar, you might want to check the Rotax owners association website for info.
>
>Lowell
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>
>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke
>air cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine
>oil meeting SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say
>MIL-L-46152B Spec. is recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell
>15W-50 since the engine was new. Winter is coming and the Aero Shell
>is hard to turn the engine in the cold. That is the reason I am
>considering the change. I have been looking at the synthetics. I
>would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dee Young
>N345DY Model II
>
>
>Do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Besides what you said below -- The under the wing "vent" pressurizes
the tank more that the pitot of the stock cap. This under the wing
design is the classical way for the tank to be pressurized and there
are good reasons why the spam can designers used it. This design
would lessen the fuel loss from the missing cap but for sure fuel
will still be lost due to the differences in area that the higher
pressure cannot overcome. My friend with a C182 had a leaking/broken
cap gasket and he lost about 1/3 of a tank in a 100 mile flight.
According to Frank, at Skystar, the new design using the poly tanks
used the cap Don described and the below the wing "vent". To bad the
company dumped before production could be implemented.
Anyway this mod is highly worthwhile IMO.
Regards, Paul
=====================
At 05:07 PM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>Wim,
> This is good news that might help the rest of us do a better
> check on the fuel caps. I might have been misinformed about
> Michael Harters missing cap episode.
> I have recessed non vent caps on my tanks with "O" ring
> seals. They don't leak and I don't have the problem with the
> little ears on the standard caps not catching or sealing but, I
> could forget to screw them in during refueling.
>
>Thanks,
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:wimhuisman@gmail.com>Willem Huisman
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:33 PM
>Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
>Don,
>
>
>It did happen to me , my Kitfox series V has Tubes on the fuelcaps
>creating Airpressure inside the
>Wim Huisman
>
>
>On 9/10/06, Don Smythe <<mailto:dosmythe@cox.net>dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>Wim,
> It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I
> said before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember
> him talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
>
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:wimhuisman@gmail.com>Willem Huisman
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
>
>
>Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
>Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly N77LR
>here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
>
>Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
>
>Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
>Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
>only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal,
>and now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
>
>After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
>pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade
>on air in a rapid GPH).
>
>You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the
>bad one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air pressure).
>
>
>It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and
>find an airport.
>
>Wim Huisman
>N77LR
>Holland
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
It is mandatory
Paul
===========
At 06:59 PM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
>
>Just got my first Kitfox a Model III. It is 14 years old and has no
>header tank. I just got a used header tank from a model IV . my
>manual shows the header vent hooked to a vent line in the right
>tank,my right tank has no vent hookup.
>Do I need a vent line on my header tank?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60857#60857
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuel, header tank, etc |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
The reason theeh Kitfox header/collector tank vent goes to the main
fuel tank instead of to atmosphere is with unusual attitudes the tank
will be higher than the outlet of the vent and fuel spillage will
occur. The trick is to make sure this vent line if free flowing (not
restricted).
Paul
============
At 06:11 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote:
> I have an Avid with the standard 2 wing tanks. I had always
> been uncomfortable with one tank being able to siphon all the fuel
> out so I installed shut off valves in each tank. I know that I am
> know the weak point (again!) in the system, but I fell much more in
> control of the fuel than when they were "1 big tank in 2 wings".
> Recently, I added a 3 gal header tank. It is positive pressure
> feed with airspeed helping gravity fed from the main tank(s). I
> tried to run the tank without a vent, and found that the header
> will only fill to about 1.2 capacity. I put a vent with shut off
> on it and open the vent only to fill the header (via the wing tank)
> then close the vent for normal flight. Otherwise, the fuel will
> all flow out of the vent. I was able to ground test this to
> residual fuel remaining in the lines, and have air tested to about
> 11/2 usg remaining. I am very comfortable with this system. I am
> ecstatic with know when I have 3 gals or less remaining, as the
> header tank is clear and I can see it! Without it, I didn't know
> how much gas was remaining with anything less than 5 usg. aside
> from timing, which of course is faith.
>
>larry
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:59 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote:
> I have always had to "fly" my rpm too.
Thanks Larry. I went out this morning at daybreak to get some testing done
before the thermals and found I was able maintain a fairly steady RPM. It's
an interesting phenomenon, one I never noticed in the Cessna, though you
may be right about the precision of digital gauges showing it more.
I think I had my first real "Kitfox" flight today. I spent an hour or so
doing timed climbs for calculating ROC and then checking my ASI against the
GPS to put together a CAS spreadsheet. When I got done it was so nice out
that I decided I needed to just putt around a little. I slowed it down,
opened the pilot's door, set it up for about 55 MIAS, and took in the
sites. (I was cruising around at about 2500 AGL since I was above our class
D airport.) What a hoot! (It took my sphincter a while to relax with the
door open!) Once settled I wandered around my home territory discovering
new ranches, taking pictures of our's and friend's houses, and generally
having a great time. It makes me glad I bought a Kitfox.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: New Tundra Tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:43 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote:
>I just purchased a set of 21x12x8 treadless 2 ply
>tundra tires from Mippi Ultralights.
Harold,
What wheels (size / make / model,) are you using?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header. |
Has anyone thought about putting a quick disconnect fitting in each line to
eliminate the loop in the fuel line. There are some available in the
motorcycle world that shuts off both fittings when disconnected.
My two cents.
Jim 5 TD
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Paul,
Thank you. At least, I did something good. I believe modifying the
existing cap/vent to recessed units and a bottom vent could be done fairly
easy even with the wings covered and painted. Would take a little thinking
and design.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "PWilson" <pwmac@sisna.com>
> Besides what you said below -- The under the wing "vent" pressurizes the
> tank more that the pitot of the stock cap. This under the wing design is
> the classical way for the tank to be pressurized and there
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| Subject: | Re: fuel, header tank, etc |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
A few alternatives to consider for tank control:
- Check valves instead of shutoffs in the fuel lines
to the header. Less chance of cutting all your own
fuel off, but no transfer.
- A shutoff valve only on the left tank. It would
prevent transfer, but not allow you to takeoff with 2
tanks shutoff. Still doesn't allow you to balance in
both directions.
- A simple clamp to put on either hose if you need to
stop a transfer. Depends upon the hoses you use as to
their worth, but an easy solution.
Just some other options...
Kurt S. S-5
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header. |
I thought about that when I was building but, gave it up. You would
need some sort of snap fitting that would seal in both directions when
disconnected. I did something else that seems to work just fine. Cut
the fuel lines to fit as tight as possible with the wings folded back.
Once put into the flying position the loop is just about gone. If need
be, add a small spring down on the line somewhere that would slightly
pull the fuel line downward. This will insure a "continuous" downhill
slope on that fuel line from the point it enters the cockpit.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Cantrell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header.
Has anyone thought about putting a quick disconnect fitting in each
line to eliminate the loop in the fuel line. There are some available in
the motorcycle world that shuts off both fittings when disconnected.
My two cents.
Jim 5 TD
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel lilne from wing tanks to header. |
Jim,
You beat me to the punch. Those are my thoughts exactly. The only question that
I have is, will they pass muster when it comes inspection time (for those of
us still building)? I personally will be hangaring mine, but for those who often
fold and transport this sounds like the best thing to eliminate a low spot
in the line.
Jimmy Cantrell <jcant1@hughes.net> wrote:
Has anyone thought about putting a quick disconnect fitting in
each line to eliminate the loop in the fuel line. There are some available in
the motorcycle world that shuts off both fittings when disconnected.
My two cents.
Jim 5 TD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
To My Fellow Kitfoxers:
It is so nice to have a factory again to help us with our parts
and information and kit needs; especially the particular group of folks
that we got - Debra and John McBean, and their staff.
I think that we all breathe a little easier to know that Kitfox
is now a viable company with friendly, helpful folks there to satisfy
our many questions with good, solid answers and the right products.
I, therefore think we owe some allegiance to those who were
willing to take on the not small task of carrying forward the Kitfox
banner, and so, as we are the primary beneficiaries of having a factory
to consult, the least we can do in return is to patronize that same
factory when we make purchases for the up-grade/repair, or modification
of our little aircraft.
It is basically not reasonable for us to expect the factory to
support us with information, and then for us to purchase our parts
elsewhere. Moreover, when we do this, we are jeopardizing the future of
our investment in our own KItfoxes.
If we expect to have a factory to help us when we are in need,
then we owe them the consideration of doing business with them whenever
possible, because this is the only way that they can be there for us in
the future.
Sincerely, Duane Rueb
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| Subject: | LED Nav lights?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
I saw somewhere, a year or so ago, someone was offering direct replacement
bulbs in an LED array. They were not cheap, but someone was manufacturing
them. Anybody else seen them? I've lost the link to their site and don't
remember the name of the manufacturer.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | LED Nav lights?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Andy:
I saw a display at last Oshkosh of a wingtip LED Position/strobe setup and
promptly purchased a set. They arrived a few days later and I installed
them, replacing my Whelen A600-PG-PR. They look better and the LEDs are
infinitely brighter. I love 'em.
They are called Skybright Nightlight Strobe/LED System made by Rollison
Airplane Co. (Rob Rollison), Bloomfield IN 47424 (812-384-4972),
www.airplanegear.com If you talk to Rob Rollison please be sure to say hello
for me.
Sincerely,
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Sent: Monday, 11 September, 2006 15:54
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LED Nav lights??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
I saw somewhere, a year or so ago, someone was offering direct replacement
bulbs in an LED array. They were not cheap, but someone was manufacturing
them. Anybody else seen them? I've lost the link to their site and don't
remember the name of the manufacturer.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | LED Nav lights?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
Thanks Peter. I knew of the complete assembly replacements that you are
refering to, but what I was talking about was just the bulb replacements for
the WHELEN or AEROFLASH assemblies. Somewhere I saw them and can't remember
now where. I had the link saved on my other computer before it crashed and
I lost all that info.
Andy F.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LED Nav lights??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Andy:
I saw a display at last Oshkosh of a wingtip LED Position/strobe setup and
promptly purchased a set. They arrived a few days later and I installed
them, replacing my Whelen A600-PG-PR. They look better and the LEDs are
infinitely brighter. I love 'em.
They are called Skybright Nightlight Strobe/LED System made by Rollison
Airplane Co. (Rob Rollison), Bloomfield IN 47424 (812-384-4972),
www.airplanegear.com If you talk to Rob Rollison please be sure to say hello
for me.
Sincerely,
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Sent: Monday, 11 September, 2006 15:54
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LED Nav lights??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
I saw somewhere, a year or so ago, someone was offering direct replacement
bulbs in an LED array. They were not cheap, but someone was manufacturing
them. Anybody else seen them? I've lost the link to their site and don't
remember the name of the manufacturer.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
I suspect that the new Kitfox will not survive long.
They never have a person pick up the phone and have never returned my calls.
I have tried to order parts and when I email asking how to make payment they never
responded.
I have a friend that tried to order a kit,they have never returned his call.
We are going to Jabiru soon to pick up his kit.
They might try supporting Kitfox owners first!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61052#61052
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| Subject: | RE: fuel, header tank, etc |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Allan,
I used a polypropylene tank from a weed sprayer, and fitted rubber
bushing/gas fittings as sold in ultralight or recreation sport stores. I
hung it behind the seat from the tubing that is between the seat and the
baggage compartment of the Avid. I simply used large screw clamps (2) to
wrap around the tank and fuselage tubing to hold it. I did have to put a
large rubber stopper in the place of the screw top of that the tank
originally had. It was very simple and a great addition!
I might be able to get pictures latter if you would like them.
larry
....Can you tell me where and how you mounted the header. What sort of tank
is it?
Thank you.
Allan
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| Subject: | Re: Low level fuel indicators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
More complex? I have one of Murle's units... Mount unit near header
tank. Cut vent line (from your Kitfox header tank to right-hand fuel
tank in wing). Lower portion of hose goes to lower fitting in Murle's
unit. Upper portion of cut vent line goes to upper fitting in Murle's
unit. How can this be complex?
Lynn
On Sunday, September 10, 2006, at 10:44 AM, PWilson wrote:
>
> Murle's unit is also good but plumbing is more complex and it costs
> $95 + shipping
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation malcolm |
yes I agree with Larry, s assessment for what it is worth malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: New Tundra Tires malcolm |
I have a set and they fit ok kf2 disk breakes
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Duane:
It is not clear what is driving you to write this
e-mail, but seems to me like your experience and mine
with the new factory have been different. A couple of
weeks ago I did many attempts to get support from the
factory on how to fix or replace the heavily corroded
wing lift struts of my Kitfox II. I did not received
any response from the new factory. I was expecting at
least some technical support/advisory on how to fix
this problem.
Since this Kitfox was built by Dan Denney and not by
Kitfox LLC, it is acceptable if they can't help me.
Probably John McBean is avoiding any liability related
to providing advisory to somebody fixing a plane that
was not sold by him. That, again, is acceptable. His
business is buiding awesome, brand new Kitfox kits,
and it is great somebody is taking care of this.
Based on my experience, if you have an early Kitfox,
Model 1 thru 3, the factory that made your plane no
longer exist and you are on your own. Since these are
experimental aircrafts, this is also acceptable, but
it is important that you are aware of it. Must also
mentioned that the factory that made the Kitfox IV,
Skystar, neither exist, so this information may apply
to Model IV as well.
Respectfully,
Jose Toro
--- "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> To My Fellow Kitfoxers:
>
> It is so nice to have a factory again to help us
> with our parts
> and information and kit needs; especially the
> particular group of folks
> that we got - Debra and John McBean, and their
> staff.
> I think that we all breathe a little easier to know
> that Kitfox
> is now a viable company with friendly, helpful folks
> there to satisfy
> our many questions with good, solid answers and the
> right products.
> I, therefore think we owe some allegiance to those
> who were
> willing to take on the not small task of carrying
> forward the Kitfox
> banner, and so, as we are the primary beneficiaries
> of having a factory
> to consult, the least we can do in return is to
> patronize that same
> factory when we make purchases for the
> up-grade/repair, or modification
> of our little aircraft.
> It is basically not reasonable for us to expect the
> factory to
> support us with information, and then for us to
> purchase our parts
> elsewhere. Moreover, when we do this, we are
> jeopardizing the future of
> our investment in our own KItfoxes.
> If we expect to have a factory to help us when we
> are in need,
> then we owe them the consideration of doing business
> with them whenever
> possible, because this is the only way that they can
> be there for us in
> the future.
>
> Sincerely, Duane Rueb
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival |
there is a pancake breakfest at midland barstow on sun morning the
fairgroundes are next door, walking distances. In the past they havent closed
the
airport .
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
David,
We respond to the emails and the phone quickly... Sorry if yours was missed.
I am showing 3 emails from David Kelm, assuming that is you by the email
address. Bubble doors sent on the 8-12 and responded to on the 8-13.. gear
sent on 6-27 and responded on the 6-27 and gear again on 7-5 and responded
on 7-6.. I would like to know your friends name and email as well so I can
check to make sure his was not missed.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dcsfoto
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Factory help
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
I suspect that the new Kitfox will not survive long.
They never have a person pick up the phone and have never returned my calls.
I have tried to order parts and when I email asking how to make payment they
never responded.
I have a friend that tried to order a kit,they have never returned his call.
We are going to Jabiru soon to pick up his kit.
They might try supporting Kitfox owners first!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61052#61052
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Jose,
Unfortunately the fixtures for the Model 1 and 2 lift struts are no
longer available... We can duplicate them from yours and that has been and
can be done again.
I did get your emails from the 1st of September... but missed them.. I'm
sorry.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Duane:
It is not clear what is driving you to write this
e-mail, but seems to me like your experience and mine
with the new factory have been different. A couple of
weeks ago I did many attempts to get support from the
factory on how to fix or replace the heavily corroded
wing lift struts of my Kitfox II. I did not received
any response from the new factory. I was expecting at
least some technical support/advisory on how to fix
this problem.
Since this Kitfox was built by Dan Denney and not by
Kitfox LLC, it is acceptable if they can't help me.
Probably John McBean is avoiding any liability related
to providing advisory to somebody fixing a plane that
was not sold by him. That, again, is acceptable. His
business is buiding awesome, brand new Kitfox kits,
and it is great somebody is taking care of this.
Based on my experience, if you have an early Kitfox,
Model 1 thru 3, the factory that made your plane no
longer exist and you are on your own. Since these are
experimental aircrafts, this is also acceptable, but
it is important that you are aware of it. Must also
mentioned that the factory that made the Kitfox IV,
Skystar, neither exist, so this information may apply
to Model IV as well.
Respectfully,
Jose Toro
--- "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> To My Fellow Kitfoxers:
>
> It is so nice to have a factory again to help us
> with our parts
> and information and kit needs; especially the
> particular group of folks
> that we got - Debra and John McBean, and their
> staff.
> I think that we all breathe a little easier to know
> that Kitfox
> is now a viable company with friendly, helpful folks
> there to satisfy
> our many questions with good, solid answers and the
> right products.
> I, therefore think we owe some allegiance to those
> who were
> willing to take on the not small task of carrying
> forward the Kitfox
> banner, and so, as we are the primary beneficiaries
> of having a factory
> to consult, the least we can do in return is to
> patronize that same
> factory when we make purchases for the
> up-grade/repair, or modification
> of our little aircraft.
> It is basically not reasonable for us to expect the
> factory to
> support us with information, and then for us to
> purchase our parts
> elsewhere. Moreover, when we do this, we are
> jeopardizing the future of
> our investment in our own KItfoxes.
> If we expect to have a factory to help us when we
> are in need,
> then we owe them the consideration of doing business
> with them whenever
> possible, because this is the only way that they can
> be there for us in
> the future.
>
> Sincerely, Duane Rueb
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
>> Based on my experience, if you have an early Kitfox,
> Model 1 thru 3, the factory that made your plane no
> longer exist and you are on your own. Since these are
> experimental aircrafts, this is also acceptable, but
> it is important that you are aware of it. Must also
> mentioned that the factory that made the Kitfox IV,
> Skystar, neither exist, so this information may apply
> to Model IV as well.
>
I have just had support for my Mod IV from the new Kitfox folk, and spoke to
Mr McBean on the phone. I can't really find fault with the support I
recieved, parts were sent reasonably quickly. I expect that things are still
being sorted out, most emails have been answered within a day or two.
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
I too any very happy with the responses that I get from John & Debra. They
get back to me fast if I have to leave a message but usually they just
answer the phone.
Congratulations to them for what they are doing for us! They deserve our
full support far more than previous owners.
Ron N55KF Model 2/582C
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> I have just had support for my Mod IV from the new Kitfox folk, and spoke
> to Mr McBean on the phone. I can't really find fault with the support I
> recieved, parts were sent reasonably quickly. I expect that things are
> still being sorted out, most emails have been answered within a day or
> two.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I just want to chime and also give kudos to John and Debra McBean for even
being ON this Kitfox List. I have been a member of the KF list for about 11
years, and John is the ONLY "official" Kitfox factory rep to participate and
help the KF list members. And all for FREE. From Dan Denney, to Phil Reed,
to Ed Downs, John is the only one to be an active member of this group. He
is a Kitfox expert, and is the key to keeping the Kitfox line going.
So please appreciate what John is doing, and thank him for the contributions
that he has made.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Liebmann
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
I too any very happy with the responses that I get from John & Debra. They
get back to me fast if I have to leave a message but usually they just
answer the phone.
Congratulations to them for what they are doing for us! They deserve our
full support far more than previous owners.
Ron N55KF Model 2/582C
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> I have just had support for my Mod IV from the new Kitfox folk, and spoke
> to Mr McBean on the phone. I can't really find fault with the support I
> recieved, parts were sent reasonably quickly. I expect that things are
> still being sorted out, most emails have been answered within a day or
> two.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
I Too have had very fast response to questions and prices.
Keep up the great work John!
Thanks again
Jay Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Factory help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
>
> I suspect that the new Kitfox will not survive long.
> They never have a person pick up the phone and have never returned my
> calls.
> I have tried to order parts and when I email asking how to make payment
> they never responded.
> I have a friend that tried to order a kit,they have never returned his
> call.
> We are going to Jabiru soon to pick up his kit.
> They might try supporting Kitfox owners first!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61052#61052
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Regarding the comments about the new Kitfox owners.
I feel that I need to speak up because my experience with John and Debra has
been excellent; particularily since they are now occupied with the setup and
development of the new company. Their new responsibilities; by necessity,
cannot help but create some real challenges with balancing everything they
need to do - its got to be a big job.
First and formost, John and Debra have demonstrated to me that they are
ethical people, they have been truthful and honest in all their dealings with
me. I have been lied to by OTHER people in the past (some little thing about
a measly $18,000 discrepancy and a year's history of blaming someone else for
not delivering it). I can confidently say that John and Debra have been
absolutely honest with me and that counts for everything.
When they were at Oshkosh, obviously they could not be at two places at once,
and a person would not have been able to communicate with them immediately.
Things happen in cyber world too. While I consider myself somewhat capable in
dealing with computers and e-mail, it is very apparent to me that electronic
communication systems and those of us operating them have their flaws and
hick-ups. I have long ago considered that sometimes an e-mail doesn't go
through, or some screening software erroneously filters it out; or, God
forbid, my Norwegian fingers don't match up with the keyboard and I type an
incorrect character in an e-mail address - I found out it only takes one....
I have long ago decided that it is better not to jump to conclusions when I
don't hear back on an e-mail - just go about my business and try to figure
out what went wrong.
I can't claim to know the whys and whats of someone else's experience; but I
would certainly say that (Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto"
<david@kelm.com>) is not at all what I have seen and I would certainly
recommend that if you do get in touch with John and Debra and you are
reasonable with them, they will take care of their business with you, they
will be honest and fair.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
On Monday 11 September 2006 5:26 pm, dcsfoto wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Name Check - Airplane type |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "369PL" <n3pupnc@aol.com>
Warren Miller
IV-1050
582 Rotax
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61106#61106
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Todd Leiss" <tleiss@earthlink.net>
Each time I have asked John and Debra a question I have received a quick
response ( I use email). Today I asked a question about installing some
bungees which I received from them and I had my response within a few
hours. I was very pleased. Orders I have placed in the past have been sent
with efficiency and without mistakes. I will continue to support them.
Todd Leiss
Model IV Speedster
926JB
> [Original Message]
> From: Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/11/2006 10:24:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Factory help
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I just want to chime and also give kudos to John and Debra McBean for even
> being ON this Kitfox List. I have been a member of the KF list for about
11
> years, and John is the ONLY "official" Kitfox factory rep to participate
and
> help the KF list members. And all for FREE. From Dan Denney, to Phil Reed,
> to Ed Downs, John is the only one to be an active member of this group. He
> is a Kitfox expert, and is the key to keeping the Kitfox line going.
>
> So please appreciate what John is doing, and thank him for the
contributions
> that he has made.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Liebmann
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> I too any very happy with the responses that I get from John & Debra.
They
> get back to me fast if I have to leave a message but usually they just
> answer the phone.
>
> Congratulations to them for what they are doing for us! They deserve our
> full support far more than previous owners.
>
> Ron N55KF Model 2/582C
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> >
> > I have just had support for my Mod IV from the new Kitfox folk, and
spoke
> > to Mr McBean on the phone. I can't really find fault with the support I
> > recieved, parts were sent reasonably quickly. I expect that things are
> > still being sorted out, most emails have been answered within a day or
> > two.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
I have called many times to John and Debra and have always had very quick
responce . Great people and great company . I have a model 2 and just
inquired about new spars and inserts John told me the good news the heavy
spars and inserts will work with my old hardware . Now to order and take the
time to take the lady out of the air for a few months while doing the
retrofit for the subbie and floats .
Support the new Kitfox line Please
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/
http://www.sportplanellc.com/
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582/ soon a subbie
TD / Straight floats
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I picked up a spar tube, insert and leading edge this summer from the
Skystar factory at Caldwell for repairs to my Classic IV while John was
at
Oshkosk . Got the parts home here in Calgary and found I couldn't get
the
insert into the spar tube. After careful examination of the insert I
found
it to be crooked, not bent but it looked like a manufacturing defect
from
the mill. Anyway, I phoned John once he was back from the show and told
him
of my plight. A few days later I had a new insert delivered via Fed Ex
no
charge/ no shipping charge. Good people doing good work. I'm happy
with
the service and advice I have received from Kitfox LLC and will continue
to
support them.
Tim Vader
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I will repeat this for all the newer guys. It was
John who sold me my S-5 at Sun&Fun years ago. And
from the start, it was John who sold me on John. The
KF line has never had a better Rep. I couldn't be
happier than to know his hand is now on the tiller.
Kurt S. :-)))
--- Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
> I just want to chime and also give kudos to John and
> Debra McBean for even
> being ON this Kitfox List. I have been a member of
> the KF list for about 11
> years, and John is the ONLY "official" Kitfox
> factory rep to participate and
> help the KF list members. And all for FREE. From Dan
> Denney, to Phil Reed,
> to Ed Downs, John is the only one to be an active
> member of this group. He
> is a Kitfox expert, and is the key to keeping the
> Kitfox line going.
>
> So please appreciate what John is doing, and thank
> him for the contributions that he has made.
>
> Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Care to elaborated on that design Don? I'd like to
see how it could be done easier, since I don't like
these big clunky caps and messy vents either.
You've got the lead on this one too.... :-)
Kurt S. S-5
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> Paul,
> Thank you. At least, I did something good. I
> believe modifying the
> existing cap/vent to recessed units and a bottom
> vent could be done fairly
> easy even with the wings covered and painted. Would
> take a little thinking
> and design.
>
> Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
What subbie are you putting in it? They can be too
heavy for a Mod 2 unless you go direct drive.
Kurt S.
--- john perry <eskflyer@lvcisp.com> wrote:
..............
> Fly safe fly low fly slow
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PD
> 582/ soon a subbie
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