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1. 12:36 AM - Re: on fuel caps --what about fairings (Michael Gibbs)
2. 03:41 AM - Re: Question on oil (Mark Thompson)
3. 03:46 AM - Re: Question on oil (Mark Thompson)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (Algate)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (Algate)
6. 06:58 AM - need landing gear (ron schick)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: Question on oil (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: need landing gear (Dave)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (Dave)
10. 07:57 AM - Re: Question on oil (PWilson)
11. 08:10 AM - Re: Question on oil (PWilson)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (Marco Menezes)
13. 08:56 AM - Re: Question on oil (John Oakley)
14. 10:50 AM - Avid Header Tank 001 (Larry Martin)
15. 12:13 PM - Re: Question on oil (Lowell Fitt)
16. 12:47 PM - Re: Annual on Kitfox III (RichWill)
17. 12:51 PM - Re: Question on oil (PWilson)
18. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (Andrew Matthaey)
19. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (Andrew Matthaey)
20. 01:28 PM - Re: Question on oil (John Oakley)
21. 01:31 PM - Re: Question on oil (John Oakley)
22. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (Lowell Fitt)
23. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (John Oakley)
24. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (Dave and Diane)
25. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III - Repairman Experimental Aircraft Builder (Randy Daughenbaugh)
26. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III - Repairman Experimental Aircraft Builder (Andrew Matthaey)
27. 05:57 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Flight to Germany [Off-topic] Flight to Germany (Rex Shaw)
28. 07:49 PM - Re: Factory help/ responce on fox 2 subbie install (john perry)
29. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: Annual on Kitfox III (kirkhull)
30. 09:58 PM - Kitfox IV-1200 BRS mount (parahawk)
31. 10:38 PM - Re: Kitfox IV-1200 BRS mount (kurt schrader)
32. 10:39 PM - Re: Factory help/ responce on fox 2 subbie install (kurt schrader)
33. 11:32 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Flight to Germany (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: on fuel caps --what about fairings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Don sez:
>These Murle Williams fairings look interesting. If I got a pair
>should I cover first or cover around them?
Go ahead and cover first. The fairings screw on afterwards so they
can be easily removed for access to the strut bolts.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly using 100LL,I
was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend of mine that I thought
I would try it,today will be the first flight with the new synthetic oil..so
I will keep you posted on the results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
in my VW mosler engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young
Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea. Thanks for the
response Lowell
Dee
Do Not Archiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dee,
The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the hit
is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax oil
recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine oil
with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to check
the Rotax owners association website for info.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil meeting
SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was new.
Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the cold.
That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks
Dee Young
N345DY Model II
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
Lowel what do you think about running fully synthetic oil in an air cooled
VW engine using 100LL,........I hope this is ok because I am fly this
morning to fuel up again with 100LL,This will be the first flight using
synthetic oil..............
> [Original Message]
> From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/10/2006 12:08:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Dee,
>
> The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
hit
> is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
> strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
> use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax
oil
> recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil
in
> the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
oil
> with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
check
> the Rotax owners association website for info.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>
> Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
> cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
meeting
> SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
> recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
new.
> Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
cold.
> That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at
the
> synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dee Young
> N345DY Model II
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Thanks Paul
Well Rick I guess that answers my question. My new plane has the older style
re stab braces and I want to replace them and this seemed a good option. If
anybody else has some please let me know.
I will also contact John McBean and see what he has to offer
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
UPDATE:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Gary;
I can save you some effort, as I've already talked to Rick about those
struts. His airplane is a model V, so the strut is different than the IV
(it has a single strut instead of the two piece "V" the IV uses).
Paul Seehafer
Do not archive
...FOR SALE UPDATE:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I am interested in the faired stabilizer struts if still available. I have
> sent a couple of emails to your private address but received no response.
>
> Gary Algate
> 1 (795) 716 0710
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00.................
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
> Thanks so much
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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| Subject: | KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Rick
Thanks for the response - it appears from Paul's posting that I am out of
luck as you have different braces.
Thanks anyway
Regards
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jab 2200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
UPDATE:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Not sure what happened. The email address is wingsdown@comcast.net. My
address is:
Rick Chandler
2433 Heavenly Way
Corona Ca 92881
If you send a check just put a note on it what it is for. I would say
add about 20 for shipping and I will refund the unused amount.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
UPDATE:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I am interested in the faired stabilizer struts if still available. I
have sent a couple of emails to your private address but received no
response.
Gary Algate
1 (795) 716 0710
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00.................
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thanks so much
Rick
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| Subject: | need landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Messed up my right side tube gear last night and was wondering if there were
any around after upgrades. It also seems there was a Grove gear for sale a
while back. I'll search the archives, but let me know if anyone has parts.
Thanks. Ron NB Oregon KF IV Speedster
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
Mark,
All I know about this subject is from the Rotax bulletin on preferred oils
and the Rotax seminars.
Synthetics are recommended by them for unleaded fuels only. When using
occasional leaded fuels they recommend a synthetic blend or full mineral if
using 100LL.
If you would like to read their bulletin on this, follow the links below to
the numbered bulletin. When I change oil, I wipe down the oil tank with a
papertowl and without fail, if I have been using 100LL as in a long cross
country, I get a pasty residue from the tank. It is light gray colored.
With the exception of the gear additive recommended by Rotax because the
engine oil also lubricates the gear box, I am comfortable with their general
recommendations for all four stroke engine types.
It would be good of course to have other data from other engine types to
eliminate the need to extrapolate.
http://www.rotax-owner.com/
SERVICE DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL SYSTEM
SI-18-1997 (2004)
SI-912-016 (2006)
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
>
> Lowel what do you think about running fully synthetic oil in an air cooled
> VW engine using 100LL,........I hope this is ok because I am fly this
> morning to fuel up again with 100LL,This will be the first flight using
> synthetic oil..............
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 9/10/2006 12:08:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Dee,
>>
>> The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
> hit
>> is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
>> strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
>> use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax
> oil
>> recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil
> in
>> the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
> oil
>> with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
> check
>> the Rotax owners association website for info.
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>
>>
>> Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
>> cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
> meeting
>> SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
>> recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
> new.
>> Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
> cold.
>> That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at
> the
>> synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dee Young
>> N345DY Model II
>>
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Ron,
If i ever bend my gear I will make a new gear a bit longer to i get a
higher AOA on the ground and would hopefully shave a few feet off TO roll.
Thoughts ?
I bet John Mc Bean would have a new gear quickly for you if you called him .
Grove gear to me is extra weight and I don't know what gain can be had by
using it but I have never flown with one eight but I have heard that for
the ones who have troubles handling a tame Kitfox with tube gear that the
Grove might help. ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: need landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Messed up my right side tube gear last night and was wondering if there
> were any around after upgrades. It also seems there was a Grove gear for
> sale a while back. I'll search the archives, but let me know if anyone has
> parts. Thanks. Ron NB Oregon KF IV Speedster
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Gary,
There are a few suppliers that sell plastic extruded fairings.
Check http://www.rans.com/ranshome.htm
and also i think BLue sky or McBean
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
UPDATE:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Rick
>
> Thanks for the response - it appears from Paul's posting that I am out of
> luck as you have different braces.
>
> Thanks anyway
>
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab 2200
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:26 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
> UPDATE:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
> Not sure what happened. The email address is wingsdown@comcast.net. My
> address is:
>
> Rick Chandler
> 2433 Heavenly Way
> Corona Ca 92881
>
> If you send a check just put a note on it what it is for. I would say
> add about 20 for shipping and I will refund the unused amount.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:04 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
> UPDATE:
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I am interested in the faired stabilizer struts if still available. I
> have sent a couple of emails to your private address but received no
> response.
>
> Gary Algate
> 1 (795) 716 0710
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00.................
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
> Thanks so much
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Mark,
The issue with Full syn is sludge buildup with the leaded gas. The
prudent thing to do is to change the oil frequently and open the
valve covers at each oil change and look for sludge. Also dissect
your oil filter for the same examination. All this was discovered by
Rotax for their 9 series 4 stroke engines. They recommend a part syn
oil with 100LL
Regards, Paul
===============
At 04:40 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly
>using 100LL,I was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend
>of mine that I thought I would try it,today will be the first flight
>with the new synthetic oil..so I will keep you posted on the
>results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
>in my VW mosler engine.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>Dee Young
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
>Thanks for the response Lowell
>
>Dee
>
>Do Not Archiv
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>Lowell Fitt
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
><<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>Dee,
>The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the hit
>is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
>strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
>use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax oil
>recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
>the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine oil
>with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to check
>the Rotax owners association website for info.
>Lowell
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dee Young" <<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>henrysfork1@msn.com>
>To: <<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
>cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil meeting
>SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
>recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was new.
>Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the cold.
>That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
>synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>Thanks
>Dee Young
>N345DY Model II
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
I have been querying the racer guys who use heavily leaded gas (much
more lead than 100LL) with full synthetic. They all complain about
the lead deposits but just change the oil every race. Then when the
engine need freshening up the get all the sludge out of the pan and
valve covers. The sludge is significant for the low budget guys since
they go longer between rebuilds. I have seen these the inside of
these long term engines and the sludge is unbelievable. The big buck
guys don't give a hoot and rebuild for every race. Most of the racers
still use the full syn for the better lube and high temp properties.
Conclusion Rotax is right on.
BTW Amsoil sells a part syn engine oil. So does Penzoil and
Valvoline. Probably a all are better than Mobile1 IMO. I hope this helps
Regards, Paul
===================
At 08:25 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>All I know about this subject is from the Rotax bulletin on
>preferred oils and the Rotax seminars.
>
>Synthetics are recommended by them for unleaded fuels only. When
>using occasional leaded fuels they recommend a synthetic blend or
>full mineral if using 100LL.
>
>If you would like to read their bulletin on this, follow the links
>below to the numbered bulletin. When I change oil, I wipe down the
>oil tank with a papertowl and without fail, if I have been using
>100LL as in a long cross country, I get a pasty residue from the
>tank. It is light gray colored. With the exception of the gear
>additive recommended by Rotax because the engine oil also lubricates
>the gear box, I am comfortable with their general recommendations
>for all four stroke engine types.
>
>It would be good of course to have other data from other engine
>types to eliminate the need to extrapolate.
>
>
>http://www.rotax-owner.com/
>
>SERVICE DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL SYSTEM
>
>
>SI-18-1997 (2004)
>
>SI-912-016 (2006)
>
>Lowell
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:45 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Lowel what do you think about running fully synthetic oil in an air cooled
>>VW engine using 100LL,........I hope this is ok because I am fly this
>>morning to fuel up again with 100LL,This will be the first flight using
>>synthetic oil..............
>>
>>
>>>[Original Message]
>>>From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Date: 9/10/2006 12:08:14 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>>Dee,
>>>
>>>The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
>>hit
>>>is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
>>>strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
>>>use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax
>>oil
>>>recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil
>>in
>>>the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
>>oil
>>>with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
>>check
>>>the Rotax owners association website for info.
>>>
>>>Lowell
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>>
>>>
>>>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
>>>cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
>>meeting
>>>SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
>>>recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
>>new.
>>>Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
>>cold.
>>>That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at
>>the
>>>synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Dee Young
>>>N345DY Model II
>>>
>>>
>>>Do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition inspection"
. . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA "repairman's certificate"
for the airplane.
Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the "manufacturer"
can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he is
alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
Andrew
KF3
>From: "RichWill"
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
>
>How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
>it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name.. but
>frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
>
>--------
>Semper Fi
>15 ITT
>G2 HqCo HqBn
>1st MarDiv
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Group,
The place the sludge show up in a 912 is the oil cooler. I power flush my
oil filter on every change (35 hours) and use Honda motorcycle Simi
synthetic oil. I can see the lead as it is flushed out of the cooler. I
would never use full synthetic with av fuel.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Mark,
The issue with Full syn is sludge buildup with the leaded gas. The
prudent thing to do is to change the oil frequently and open the
valve covers at each oil change and look for sludge. Also dissect
your oil filter for the same examination. All this was discovered by
Rotax for their 9 series 4 stroke engines. They recommend a part syn
oil with 100LL
Regards, Paul
===============
At 04:40 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly
>using 100LL,I was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend
>of mine that I thought I would try it,today will be the first flight
>with the new synthetic oil..so I will keep you posted on the
>results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
>in my VW mosler engine.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>Dee Young
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
>Thanks for the response Lowell
>
>Dee
>
>Do Not Archiv
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>Lowell Fitt
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
><<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>Dee,
>The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
hit
>is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
>strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
>use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax oil
>recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
>the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
oil
>with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to check
>the Rotax owners association website for info.
>Lowell
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dee Young" <<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>henrysfork1@msn.com>
>To: <<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
>cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
meeting
>SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
>recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
new.
>Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the cold.
>That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
>synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>Thanks
>Dee Young
>N345DY Model II
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| Subject: | Avid Header Tank 001 |
Hi Allan,
I hope this helps. I also hope that the file isn't too big, I don't
know how to shrink them.
The hose in the center black rubber plug is the vent. It is to be
closed for normal ops, and open only to fill the header when refueling.
The straps are hose clamps which I expanded by cutting them and riveting
pallet packing steel bands on it to make it to fit. I've used it for
this season and it works great. I love the comfort on seeing the gas in
the last hour.
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, thanks for the post. I have been observing a slight increase in oil
temps over the past year or so. This might be the reason. Another is that
I got tired of replacing the temp sending unit from Westach every six months
or so and built my own - in my opinion, they are junk. I did a cursory hot
water test and found it close, but should do it again for a more positive
check. I may be reading high, but running normally.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
> Group,
> The place the sludge show up in a 912 is the oil cooler. I power flush my
> oil filter on every change (35 hours) and use Honda motorcycle Simi
> synthetic oil. I can see the lead as it is flushed out of the cooler. I
> would never use full synthetic with av fuel.
>
> John Oakley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
> Mark,
> The issue with Full syn is sludge buildup with the leaded gas. The
> prudent thing to do is to change the oil frequently and open the
> valve covers at each oil change and look for sludge. Also dissect
> your oil filter for the same examination. All this was discovered by
> Rotax for their 9 series 4 stroke engines. They recommend a part syn
> oil with 100LL
> Regards, Paul
> ===============
> At 04:40 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly
>>using 100LL,I was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend
>>of mine that I thought I would try it,today will be the first flight
>>with the new synthetic oil..so I will keep you posted on the
>>results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
>>in my VW mosler engine.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>Dee Young
>>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>
>>I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
>>Thanks for the response Lowell
>>
>>Dee
>>
>>Do Not Archiv
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>Lowell Fitt
>>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>><<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>Dee,
>>The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
> hit
>>is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
>>strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
>>use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax
>>oil
>>recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
>>the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
> oil
>>with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
>>check
>>the Rotax owners association website for info.
>>Lowell
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dee Young" <<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>henrysfork1@msn.com>
>>To: <<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>
>>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
>>cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
> meeting
>>SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
>>recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
> new.
>>Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
>>cold.
>>That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
>>synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>>Thanks
>>Dee Young
>>N345DY Model II
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Thanks guys... appreciate it..
Andrew, do you have your CFI and can do TW signoffs? Still have the plane at B19
Rich
--------
Semper Fi
15 ITT
G2 HqCo HqBn
1st MarDiv
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61852#61852
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
John,
Very good point The oil cooler it the prime place for the lead
deposits and sludge. However the racers experience indicates the most
sludge inside the valve covers and sump.
Paul
===========
At 09:55 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
>Group,
>The place the sludge show up in a 912 is the oil cooler. I power flush my
>oil filter on every change (35 hours) and use Honda motorcycle Simi
>synthetic oil. I can see the lead as it is flushed out of the cooler. I
>would never use full synthetic with av fuel.
>
>John Oakley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
>Mark,
> The issue with Full syn is sludge buildup with the leaded gas. The
>prudent thing to do is to change the oil frequently and open the
>valve covers at each oil change and look for sludge. Also dissect
>your oil filter for the same examination. All this was discovered by
>Rotax for their 9 series 4 stroke engines. They recommend a part syn
>oil with 100LL
>Regards, Paul
>===============
>At 04:40 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
> >Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly
> >using 100LL,I was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend
> >of mine that I thought I would try it,today will be the first flight
> >with the new synthetic oil..so I will keep you posted on the
> >results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
> >in my VW mosler engine.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>Dee Young
> >To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> >
> >I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
> >Thanks for the response Lowell
> >
> >Dee
> >
> >Do Not Archiv
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>Lowell Fitt
> >To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> ><<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >Dee,
> >The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
>hit
> >is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
> >strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
> >use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax oil
> >recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
> >the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
>oil
> >with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to check
> >the Rotax owners association website for info.
> >Lowell
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dee Young" <<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>henrysfork1@msn.com>
> >To: <<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> >
> >Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
> >cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
>meeting
> >SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
> >recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
>new.
> >Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the cold.
> >That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
> >synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
> >Thanks
> >Dee Young
> >N345DY Model II
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for LSA,
no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does not need
any additional cert's.
Andrew
KF3
>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
>inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
>"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
>
>
>Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>
>Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the "manufacturer"
>can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he
>is
>alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
>
>Andrew
>KF3
>
>
> >From: "RichWill"
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
> >
> >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
> >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
>but
> >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
> >
> >--------
> >Semper Fi
> >15 ITT
> >G2 HqCo HqBn
> >1st MarDiv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
>Marco Menezes
>Model 2 582 N99KX
>
>---------------------------------
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Hey Rich - I sent out an email a few days ago after I passed my last
checkride...Finished up my CFI/CFII/MEI last week, so yep, I can Instruct
and sign-off in a Tailwheel now.
Biddeford, eh? I'm flying up home this weekend for a couple of days - If
you'd like to go flying, give me a holler - I've got a lot of business to
take care of, finishing up my move to Jax and all, but maybe we can squeeze
something in. My cellphone again is 646.354.3252.
Andrew
KF3
do not archive
>From: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:46:58 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
>Thanks guys... appreciate it..
>
>Andrew, do you have your CFI and can do TW signoffs? Still have the plane
>at B19
>
>Rich
>
>--------
>Semper Fi
>15 ITT
>G2 HqCo HqBn
>1st MarDiv
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61852#61852
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Lowell,
The sludge in the oil cooler is a real thing. We did testing and like I said
you can see it pour out under pressure. I usually leave pressure on until I
see clear oil. After changing oil and filling up, I ad 10lbs of pressure to
the oil tank overflow, then pull the ball pressure relief and spring. I
reinstall the ball and spring while the oil is flowing, this gets rid of the
air bubbles that rotax has warned about. You may have to add some vibration
to the cooler to loosen up sludge. I also got tired of the Wasatch items and
replaced all with the unit from GRT.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, thanks for the post. I have been observing a slight increase in oil
temps over the past year or so. This might be the reason. Another is that
I got tired of replacing the temp sending unit from Westach every six months
or so and built my own - in my opinion, they are junk. I did a cursory hot
water test and found it close, but should do it again for a more positive
check. I may be reading high, but running normally.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
> Group,
> The place the sludge show up in a 912 is the oil cooler. I power flush my
> oil filter on every change (35 hours) and use Honda motorcycle Simi
> synthetic oil. I can see the lead as it is flushed out of the cooler. I
> would never use full synthetic with av fuel.
>
> John Oakley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
> Mark,
> The issue with Full syn is sludge buildup with the leaded gas. The
> prudent thing to do is to change the oil frequently and open the
> valve covers at each oil change and look for sludge. Also dissect
> your oil filter for the same examination. All this was discovered by
> Rotax for their 9 series 4 stroke engines. They recommend a part syn
> oil with 100LL
> Regards, Paul
> ===============
> At 04:40 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly
>>using 100LL,I was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend
>>of mine that I thought I would try it,today will be the first flight
>>with the new synthetic oil..so I will keep you posted on the
>>results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
>>in my VW mosler engine.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>Dee Young
>>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>
>>I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
>>Thanks for the response Lowell
>>
>>Dee
>>
>>Do Not Archiv
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>Lowell Fitt
>>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>><<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>Dee,
>>The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
> hit
>>is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
>>strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
>>use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax
>>oil
>>recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
>>the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
> oil
>>with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
>>check
>>the Rotax owners association website for info.
>>Lowell
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dee Young" <<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>henrysfork1@msn.com>
>>To: <<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>>
>>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
>>cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
> meeting
>>SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
>>recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
> new.
>>Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
>>cold.
>>That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
>>synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>>Thanks
>>Dee Young
>>N345DY Model II
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Paul,
I have never seen sludge in the valve covers on the rotax, as I have in my
racing days. It may be due to the fact there ore not pockets to settle out
in. the sump is a great settle out spot as designed by the engineers....
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
John,
Very good point The oil cooler it the prime place for the lead
deposits and sludge. However the racers experience indicates the most
sludge inside the valve covers and sump.
Paul
===========
At 09:55 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
>Group,
>The place the sludge show up in a 912 is the oil cooler. I power flush my
>oil filter on every change (35 hours) and use Honda motorcycle Simi
>synthetic oil. I can see the lead as it is flushed out of the cooler. I
>would never use full synthetic with av fuel.
>
>John Oakley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
>Mark,
> The issue with Full syn is sludge buildup with the leaded gas. The
>prudent thing to do is to change the oil frequently and open the
>valve covers at each oil change and look for sludge. Also dissect
>your oil filter for the same examination. All this was discovered by
>Rotax for their 9 series 4 stroke engines. They recommend a part syn
>oil with 100LL
>Regards, Paul
>===============
>At 04:40 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
> >Hi Dee,I have just switched to a fully synthetic oil and I also fly
> >using 100LL,I was so impressed with what I had heard from a friend
> >of mine that I thought I would try it,today will be the first flight
> >with the new synthetic oil..so I will keep you posted on the
> >results.I am using mobil 1, 10w40
> >in my VW mosler engine.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>Dee Young
> >To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: 9/10/2006 2:49:54 PM
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> >
> >I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
> >Thanks for the response Lowell
> >
> >Dee
> >
> >Do Not Archiv
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>Lowell Fitt
> >To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> ><<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >Dee,
> >The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the
>hit
> >is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
> >strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
> >use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax
oil
> >recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil
in
> >the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine
>oil
> >with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
check
> >the Rotax owners association website for info.
> >Lowell
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dee Young" <<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>henrysfork1@msn.com>
> >To: <<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
> >
> >Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
> >cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
>meeting
> >SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
> >recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was
>new.
> >Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
cold.
> >That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at
the
> >synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
> >Thanks
> >Dee Young
> >N345DY Model II
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
The Repairman Certificate is issued to a builder after completing a short
application at the time the DAR or FSDO representative issues the
Airworthiness Certificate. It allows the holder to do the Annual Condition
Inspection on the aircraft he built. If the aircraft is sold, he as well as
an A&P are authorized to do the Annual Conditon Inspection.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for
> LSA, no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does
> not need any additional cert's.
>
> Andrew
> KF3
>
>
>>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
>>inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
>>"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
>>
>>
>>
>>Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>>
>>Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the
>>"manufacturer"
>>can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he
>>is
>>alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
>>
>>Andrew
>>KF3
>>
>>
>> >From: "RichWill"
>> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>> >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
>> >
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
>> >
>> >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
>> >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
>>but
>> >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
>> >
>> >--------
>> >Semper Fi
>> >15 ITT
>> >G2 HqCo HqBn
>> >1st MarDiv
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Marco Menezes
>>Model 2 582 N99KX
>>
>>---------------------------------
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Andrew,
A repairman's Cert. Is required on an experimental, IF you did build it you
only have to request and apply for it after the 40 hours. Otherwise you are
in violation..
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Matthaey
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for LSA,
no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does not need
any additional cert's.
Andrew
KF3
>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
>inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
>"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
>
>
>Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>
>Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the "manufacturer"
>can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he
>is
>alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
>
>Andrew
>KF3
>
>
> >From: "RichWill"
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
> >
> >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
> >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
>but
> >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
> >
> >--------
> >Semper Fi
> >15 ITT
> >G2 HqCo HqBn
> >1st MarDiv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
>Marco Menezes
>Model 2 582 N99KX
>
>---------------------------------
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
OK Guys,
This is the way it is. - In the US anyway.
A repairman's certificate can be applied for by the builder of the airplane,
and it is has nothing to do with LSA. You build it, you can apply for and get
a repairman's certificate.
Experimental; whether it is light sport or not, if you built it you can get
the RC.
The repairman's certificate entitles the holder to do the annual condition
inspection and sign off on it.
The repairman's certificate only applies to the aircraft the person built - it
cannot be used for doing a condition inspection on any other aircraft.
If you didn't build it - you can't get the repairman's certificate for that
aircraft; nor can you do the annual condition inspection; unless you are an A
& P.
Sincerely,
Dave S
Do Not Archive
On Friday 15 September 2006 2:52 pm, Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for LSA,
> no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does not need
> any additional cert's.
>
> Andrew
> KF3
>
> >From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
> >inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
> >"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
> >
> >
> >
> >Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> >
> >Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the
> > "manufacturer" can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking
> > out...and heck, if he is
> >alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
> >
> >Andrew
> >KF3
> >
> > >From: "RichWill"
> > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> > >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
> > >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
> > >
> > >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
> > >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
> >
> >but
> >
> > >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
> > >
> > >--------
> > >Semper Fi
> > >15 ITT
> > >G2 HqCo HqBn
> > >1st MarDiv
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Marco Menezes
> >Model 2 582 N99KX
> >
> >---------------------------------
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III - Repairman Experimental Aircraft |
Builder
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Marco is right. If you don't get a certificate for "Repairman Experimental
Aircraft Builder" you can't do the condition inspection.
You don't get them automatically. You have to apply for the certificate.
If you have a good DAR, he will help you get when your plane is inspected.
But you need one to put with your signature when you do the annual condition
inspection.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Matthaey
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for LSA,
no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does not need
any additional cert's.
Andrew
KF3
>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
>inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
>"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
>
>
>Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>
>Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the "manufacturer"
>can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he
>is
>alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
>
>Andrew
>KF3
>
>
> >From: "RichWill"
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
> >
> >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
> >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
>but
> >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
> >
> >--------
> >Semper Fi
> >15 ITT
> >G2 HqCo HqBn
> >1st MarDiv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
>Marco Menezes
>Model 2 582 N99KX
>
>---------------------------------
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III - Repairman Experimental Aircraft |
Builder
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Thanks for clearing this "Repairman's Certificate" confusion up!
Andrew
KF3
do not archive
>From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III - Repairman Experimental
>Aircraft Builder
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:59:08 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
><rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>Marco is right. If you don't get a certificate for "Repairman Experimental
>Aircraft Builder" you can't do the condition inspection.
>
>You don't get them automatically. You have to apply for the certificate.
>If you have a good DAR, he will help you get when your plane is inspected.
>But you need one to put with your signature when you do the annual
>condition
>inspection.
>
>Randy
>
>.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>Matthaey
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:52 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
>Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for LSA,
>no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does not need
>any additional cert's.
>
>Andrew
>KF3
>
>
> >From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
> >inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
> >"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
> >
> >
> >
> >Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> >
> >Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the
>"manufacturer"
> >can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he
> >is
> >alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
> >
> >Andrew
> >KF3
> >
> >
> > >From: "RichWill"
> > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> > >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
> > >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
> > >
> > >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
> > >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
> >but
> > >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
> > >
> > >--------
> > >Semper Fi
> > >15 ITT
> > >G2 HqCo HqBn
> > >1st MarDiv
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Marco Menezes
> >Model 2 582 N99KX
> >
> >---------------------------------
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Flight to Germany [Off-topic] Flight to Germany |
Hi ! Michel,
great to see you had yet another good trip. Thanks
for posting the pictures and the info re crossing borders is
interesting.
When you drop in to see John in New Zealand just duck across to
Australia it's right next door,
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help/ responce on fox 2 subbie install |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
I have already made my own new improved large diameter lift struts and ends
beefed up the fuse . I talked to THE NEW WONDERFUL OWNERS of KITFOX and
will order the new thick spars and new inserts and use my old mounting
hardware and or make new to fit . The subbie is a ea81 with Cbox 2:62-1
reduction. . considering the vibrations and such that the 582 puts on this
front end at idle over the years i am replacing some of the smaller fuse
tubes in the front i havenot found any fatigued but with the heavier engine
Its my butt up there and I want to be safer than sorry.
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
582 / subbie soon
TD / straight floats
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> What subbie are you putting in it? They can be too
> heavy for a Mod 2 unless you go direct drive.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- john perry <eskflyer@lvcisp.com> wrote:
>
> ..............
>> Fly safe fly low fly slow
>> John Perry
>> Kitfox 2 N718PD
>> 582/ soon a subbie
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Annual on Kitfox III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Another note. Any A&P can do the inspection. They DO NOT have to have an IA
which is required to do an annual insp on a certified aircraft.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
The Repairman Certificate is issued to a builder after completing a short
application at the time the DAR or FSDO representative issues the
Airworthiness Certificate. It allows the holder to do the Annual Condition
Inspection on the aircraft he built. If the aircraft is sold, he as well as
an A&P are authorized to do the Annual Conditon Inspection.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> Marco - I could be wrong - but a "Repairman's Certificate" is only for
> LSA, no? Rich's 'Fox is an Experimental-AB, therefore, the builder does
> not need any additional cert's.
>
> Andrew
> KF3
>
>
>>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I think Andrew's right that builder can sign off on annual "condition
>>inspection" . . . but only if builder applied for and received FAA
>>"repairman's certificate" for the airplane.
>>
>>
>>
>>Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
>>
>>Hmm...that's a tough call then! The builder, since he is the
>>"manufacturer"
>>can sign off an annual - It might be worth checking out...and heck, if he
>>is
>>alive, then he might get a kick out of seeing the plane he built!
>>
>>Andrew
>>KF3
>>
>>
>> >From: "RichWill"
>> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual on Kitfox III
>> >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:25:06 -0700
>> >
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill"
>> >
>> >How does that work? He can do and/or sign off..yes? I am 2nd owner and
>> >it's been 14years since the plane was built.. I have address and name..
>>but
>> >frankly.. Think the guy might have even passed away..
>> >
>> >--------
>> >Semper Fi
>> >15 ITT
>> >G2 HqCo HqBn
>> >1st MarDiv
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61710#61710
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Marco Menezes
>>Model 2 582 N99KX
>>
>>---------------------------------
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV-1200 BRS mount |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "parahawk" <alfi98596@yahoo.com>
Can anyone help me with info about the best location to mount the 1350 softpack
BRS and what modifactions have to be done to the plexiglass above the rocket.
Or is there a way to install it outside on top ??
I am looking for ideas.
Thanks a lot
--------
Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61913#61913
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV-1200 BRS mount |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
When I looked into installing one, the proceedure was
to have it fire out thru the side of the fuselage just
behind the baggage compartment. This is so if you
have a wing fold over the top, the rocket isn't
blocked.
This installation has to be done before covering
though. The rocket has no problem shooting thru the
fabric, but the chute lines are run up and over the
right side top structure right under the turtledeck.
When the rocket fires, the chute is pulled out thru
the side and the lines rip the fabric up to this
point. Then the turtledeck is ripped lose and the
overhead canopy is torn off too. The shroud lines are
connected to the four corners of the cockpit to wing
structure, so it will hang relatively level from
there.
You will have some damage from its use, but a lot less
than without it.
The alternative is the somewhat aerodynamic hard pack
mounted on top of the cabin, but it sounds like you
already have the soft pack.
A velcroed door built into the turtledeck for the
rocket and parachute to shoot up thru is another
choice. The turtledeck and top canopy are still going
to be torn up a bit though, depending on where you run
the lines to the wing/fuse hard points.
It has been 6 years since I looked into this. Maybe
BRS has some new methods?
Kurt S.
--- parahawk <alfi98596@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can anyone help me with info about the best location
> to mount the 1350 softpack BRS and what modifactions
> have to be done to the plexiglass above the rocket.
> Or is there a way to install it outside on top ??
>
> I am looking for ideas.
>
> Thanks a lot
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help/ responce on fox 2 subbie install |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sounds better than the Storch I saw last week where
the builder was replacing the Rotax with an IO 290 and
no front structural changes???
Kurt S.
--- john perry <eskflyer@lvcisp.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry"
> <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>
> I have already made my own new improved large
> diameter lift struts and ends
> beefed up the fuse . I talked to THE NEW WONDERFUL
> OWNERS of KITFOX and
> will order the new thick spars and new inserts and
> use my old mounting
> hardware and or make new to fit . The subbie is a
> ea81 with Cbox 2:62-1
> reduction. . considering the vibrations and such
> that the 582 puts on this
> front end at idle over the years i am replacing some
> of the smaller fuse
> tubes in the front i havenot found any fatigued but
> with the heavier engine
> Its my butt up there and I want to be safer than
> sorry.
>
> Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
> John Perry
> kitfox 2 N718PD
> 582 / subbie soon
> TD / straight floats
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > What subbie are you putting in it? They can be
> too
> > heavy for a Mod 2 unless you go direct drive.
> >
> > Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Flight to Germany |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Sep 16, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Rex Shaw wrote:
> When you drop in to see John in New Zealand just duck across to
> Australia it's right next door
... How could I fly to New Zealand to visit John, without stopping at
your place, Rex? :-)
But I would need a lot of time to do that, and I'll have to wait
another 9 years, when I retire. The nice thing, though, is that I feel
my Kitfox with its Jabiru is up to it. I mean, it could take such a
long voyage. And that's nice, even if I am mostly flying around my home
town.
Next project is Blois, in France, next year. It is the largest European
ultralight aircraft fly-in. But I realise now that we, north Europeans,
are much more depending on the weather than say, Australia or southern
US. Had the German fly-in been one week earlier, no one would have
showed up.
Cheers,
Michel
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