---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/20/06: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - Re: Folding Wing Kitfox IV-1200 (Michael Gibbs) 2. 03:50 AM - Re: Installing a low fuel level sensor (Bob Unternaehrer) 3. 05:07 AM - Re: Short Takeoff DAVE (Dave) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Insuring your Kitfox (Glenn Horne) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: Short Takeoff DAVE (Ben-PA) 6. 06:16 AM - adverse yaw (Darrel Morisse) 7. 06:27 AM - Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Michel Verheughe) 8. 06:40 AM - Re: Insuring your Kitfox (Jimmie Blackwell) 9. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Dave) 10. 06:46 AM - Re: adverse yaw (Richard Rabbers) 11. 06:54 AM - Re: Short Takeoff DAVE (Floran Higgins) 12. 07:09 AM - Re: Short Takeoff DAVE (Dave) 13. 08:48 AM - Re: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? (6440 Auto Parts) 14. 09:00 AM - Re: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? (Dave) 15. 09:27 AM - Re: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? (Glenn Horne) 16. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Don Smythe) 17. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Stan Bearup) 18. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (kurt schrader) 19. 12:56 PM - Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Michel Verheughe) 20. 01:03 PM - Re: Fox Video Footage (Michel Verheughe) 21. 01:09 PM - Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? (Chris In Madison) 22. 01:53 PM - Re: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? (jdmcbean) 23. 01:58 PM - Re: Insuring your Kitfox (Glenn Horne) 24. 01:58 PM - Re: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? (Chris In Madison) 25. 02:01 PM - Re: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? - Jab 3300 (Jose M. Toro) 26. 02:44 PM - Re: Tailwheel dolly question (parahawk) 27. 03:11 PM - Kitfox V For Sale (Jimmie Blackwell) 28. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Don Smythe) 29. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Noel Loveys) 30. 04:58 PM - Re: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? (Jerry Poe) 31. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Ceashman@aol.com) 32. 05:57 PM - Fuel System Rotax 912UL (Howard) 33. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Guy Buchanan) 34. 06:11 PM - Fun Day (Guy Buchanan) 35. 08:16 PM - Undercarriage (Rex Shaw) 36. 08:24 PM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL (RAY Gignac) 37. 08:48 PM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL (crazyivan) 38. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Randy Daughenbaugh) 39. 08:54 PM - Dust Covers (Rex Shaw) 40. 09:41 PM - Re: Dust Covers (john perry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:56 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Folding Wing Kitfox IV-1200 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs >Now to stir up trouble: What happens when you fold the wings on the >Vexin? Does it fall on the tail? Not trying to cause trouble, but >really wondering.... My Model IV-1200 would stay on the nose wheel with one wing folded but would sit on the tail skid with both folded. Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:23 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Installing a low fuel level sensor I would make a mechanical connection with blind rivets first, using the clue as a sealant, NOT for bonding. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: HMDOUD To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Installing a low fuel level sensor Hi Listers.. I have a Kitfox model, with a poly header tank. I want to put a low level float valve in the top of the tank. Aircraft Spruce # 6905-400. I have an aluminum threaded collar, that the small float valve will screw into. Before drilling a hole in the tank, I want to make certain that I can glue the aluminum collar onto the poly tank. It was suggested, by a lister, to use a 2 part polysulfide adhesive. I'm aware that hardly anything will stick to polypropylene, and have been thinking about ....Hysol?.....Epoxy?......Polyurethane glue?....Hot glue gun sticks?.......Whatever the adhesive, it would have to stick to poly and be gasoline safe..... Is there anyone out there who has had and solved my problem? Appreciate any feed-back available. Herb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:46 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" Lynn you are right and the ratio seems to be about 2 to 1 and it greatly reduces the adverse yaw. Plus I don't think there is any chance of flapperon reversal as there was a cahnce on early models if you went over about 15 degrees. The IV also used a larger chord flapperon as well as a symetrical one. With that being said the IV model can get more degrees of flap down although alot have limited theirs to 20 degrees or so. The only real benefit for the extra 10 to 15 degree not using a limiter is that you will get alot more lift and quicker takeoff with 30 to 35 degrees of flapperons but with that comes extra drag and you will want to bleed them off slowly as you get out of ground effect. I another trick would be to use full flap deflection just prior to lift off to get that extra "pop" , This is a real attribute for float flyers and even landplanes. For a short field take off goes like this --- Brakes on when they work -- tail up -- NO FLAPS - WIDE OPEN THROTTLE Start your roll and tail will likely fall a bit -- stick full ahead to keep tail up and alter your stick to keep your wing at about a zero angle off attack. when it ready ( about 30 IAS ) full FLAPS - I Mean FULL 30 to 35 Degrees and aft stick once airbourne the full flaps will not allow the best acceleration so start to bleed them off slowly to 20 degrees or so and will will be going up in a hurry. I routinely take off this way , does anyone else use this method ? Maybe we should all do some videos and post them for others to share some good tips on improving all of our Kitfox Flight qualities? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Apply the flaperons to one side or the other and see how much one side goes up versus the other side going down. Differential means that one side moves more or less than the other. In the Kitfox...as with most planes that I know of...the up-going aileron/flaperon moves further than the down-going one. This is so that the adverse yaw is reduced. If both flaperons moved the same amount, the nose of the plane would move opposite to the direction of the intended bank, and you would have a BUNCH of adverse yaw. We still have some in the Kitfox's, but I believe in the model IV's they reduced the adverse yaw a significant amount with flaperon differential. Lynn On Tuesday, September 19, 2006, at 09:45 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > I have a KF2 what is flaperon differential? how do I know if I have it? my > 2 was finished in 2000 michigan kit foxer > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:49 AM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" I just got the same on my Fox for $514.00 from my company. I also have my Cherokee insured with them. Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va. Model II 582 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 12:24 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: >>When it comes to insuring an aircraft of this type, are you finding the >>rates are reasonable? > > ~$760/yr. for $1M / $100k from AIG. No hull. This for a 250hr TT, 20hr > tailwheel, 65hr complex pilot. I expect it will drop to less than $600 > next year. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Short Takeoff DAVE From: "Ben-PA" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben-PA" dave(at)cfisher.com wrote: > > ......For a short field take off goes like this --- Brakes on when they work -- > tail up -- NO FLAPS - WIDE OPEN THROTTLE > Start your roll and tail will likely fall a bit -- stick full ahead to keep > tail up and alter your stick to keep your wing at about a zero angle off > attack. when it ready ( about 30 IAS ) full FLAPS - I Mean FULL 30 to 35 Degrees and aft stick once airbourne the full flaps will not allow the best acceleration so start to bleed them off slowly to 20 degrees or so and will will be going up in a hurry. > I routinely take off this way , does anyone else use this method ? > > Maybe we should all do some videos and post them for others to share some good tips on improving all of our Kitfox Flight qualities? > Dave--- I'm glad to hear of this technique, Dave. I am still a student pilot and wanted to take off w/full flaps but was concerned about the nose down pitch. Do you find that pulling full flaps wants to plant the nose in the dirt? I have a Model 5 and the nose really pitches down if I pull them at altititude. I usually take off with half flaps. If I can get off quicker with full flaps, I will add some pitch to my prop for cruise. I have a friend with a Pacer who uses the pull-the-flaps-technique you described. Thanks! Ben -------- Sign up on the Kitfox Frappr Map: http://www.frappr.com/kitfox You can see where fellow Kitfoxers live and pictures of their planes. Be sure to post some pictures of you, your plane, or share the scenery of the Kitfox world. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62726#62726 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:38 AM PST US From: "Darrel Morisse" Subject: Kitfox-List: adverse yaw I have to chime in here. My first KF was a model II, before there was much differential introduced in the flaperons. Personally, with all the adverse yaw that airplane had I don't think it was possible to successfully fly, much less land it, without the rudder. With feet flat on the floor, left stick would just make the nose turn right, but the airplane would just skid along straight ahead. I once, without using rudder, tried to make a very large pattern into a large runway (Wurtsmith AFB MI) and I found it nearly impossible to make any sort of normal turn. I gave it up and decided that during my annual inspections, the rudder cables and connections would be the items #1 on my list of things to check. That being said, I loved that II. It only took a short time for the rudder work to become second nature and it was a joy to fly. My S5 is much better, but still has some adverse yaw. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Rabbers" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Short Takeoff DAVE > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" > > I believe that differential flaperon travel was intruduced with the model IV. > > Various tweaks larger rudder, longer fuse.. provided more effective directional control, but I was told that more than 'normal' rudder was needed to overcome adverse yaw on my model I. The plane would just fly yawed, until correction was applied. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:43 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question > From: parahawk [alfi98596@yahoo.com] > Does anybody have a picture or drawing of such a dolly ?? Eric and Al, I was thinking about the front wheel of a child's bicycle with its fork. Then a Y-shaped weld to the two holes of the transverse pipe supposed to hold the Kitfox's dorsal fin. On the other side, a Y-shaped weld that has a leather strap over it to rest the fuselage. I made a simple animated sketch of it here: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/tail.swf I think that by simply lifting the tail, the wheel will pivot in place. If not, a wheel choke and a lift plus forward movement would do it. The inverse is then done to lower the tail. What do you think? Cheers, Michel
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:32 AM PST US From: Jimmie Blackwell Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox Is that for liability only? AIG charging me over $1,200 for 1 mil liability and 25K on the hull. Jimmie Glenn Horne wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" I just got the same on my Fox for $514.00 from my company. I also have my Cherokee insured with them. Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va. Model II 582 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 12:24 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: >>When it comes to insuring an aircraft of this type, are you finding the >>rates are reasonable? > > ~$760/yr. for $1M / $100k from AIG. No hull. This for a 250hr TT, 20hr > tailwheel, 65hr complex pilot. I expect it will drop to less than $600 > next year. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:04 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" Michel , excellent .swf there I would add that if would have to limit the tail height to the door height. Once the wings are folded , then it wold be hard to lower it as the weight is only a guess but 150 to 200 pounds on that point . Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question >> From: parahawk [alfi98596@yahoo.com] >> Does anybody have a picture or drawing of such a dolly ?? > > Eric and Al, > I was thinking about the front wheel of a child's bicycle with its fork. > Then a Y-shaped weld to the two holes of the transverse pipe supposed to > hold the Kitfox's dorsal fin. On the other side, a Y-shaped weld that has > a leather strap over it to rest the fuselage. > I made a simple animated sketch of it here: > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/tail.swf > > I think that by simply lifting the tail, the wheel will pivot in place. If > not, a wheel choke and a lift plus forward movement would do it. The > inverse is then done to lower the tail. What do you think? > > Cheers, > Michel > > > 

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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:10 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: adverse yaw From: "Richard Rabbers" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" thanks for the input Deke. I expect to be active on the rudder, and also lots of fun! -------- Richard in SW Michigan Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62752#62752 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:44 AM PST US From: "Floran Higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" This is standard short field take off in Super Cubs and Cessna 180s Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" > > Lynn you are right and the ratio seems to be about 2 to 1 and it greatly > reduces the adverse yaw. > Plus I don't think there is any chance of flapperon reversal as there was > a cahnce on early models if you went over about 15 degrees. > > The IV also used a larger chord flapperon as well as a symetrical one. > With that being said the IV model can get more degrees of flap down > although alot have limited theirs to 20 degrees or so. The only real > benefit for the extra 10 to 15 degree not using a limiter is that you will > get alot more lift and quicker takeoff with 30 to 35 degrees of > flapperons but with that comes extra drag and you will want to bleed them > off slowly as you get out of ground effect. > > I another trick would be to use full flap deflection just prior to lift > off to get that extra "pop" , This is a real attribute for float flyers > and even landplanes. > > For a short field take off goes like this --- Brakes on when they work -- > tail up -- NO FLAPS - WIDE OPEN THROTTLE > Start your roll and tail will likely fall a bit -- stick full ahead to > keep tail up and alter your stick to keep your wing at about a zero angle > off attack. > when it ready ( about 30 IAS ) full FLAPS - I Mean FULL 30 to 35 > Degrees and aft stick > once airbourne the full flaps will not allow the best acceleration so > start to bleed them off slowly to 20 degrees or so and will will be going > up in a hurry. > I routinely take off this way , does anyone else use this method ? > > Maybe we should all do some videos and post them for others to share some > good tips on improving all of our Kitfox Flight qualities? > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Matteson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Apply the flaperons to one side or the other and see how much one side > goes up versus the other side going down. Differential means that one > side moves more or less than the other. In the Kitfox...as with most > planes that I know of...the up-going aileron/flaperon moves further > than the down-going one. This is so that the adverse yaw is reduced. If > both flaperons moved the same amount, the nose of the plane would move > opposite to the direction of the intended bank, and you would have a > BUNCH of adverse yaw. We still have some in the Kitfox's, but I believe > in the model IV's they reduced the adverse yaw a significant amount > with flaperon differential. > > Lynn > On Tuesday, September 19, 2006, at 09:45 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > >> I have a KF2 what is flaperon differential? how do I know if I have it? >> my 2 was finished in 2000 michigan kit foxer >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:25 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" Floran -- YUP where you think i learn it 20 years ago :) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Floran Higgins" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" > > This is standard short field take off in Super Cubs and Cessna 180s > > Floran H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:06 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" >> >> Lynn you are right and the ratio seems to be about 2 to 1 and it greatly >> reduces the adverse yaw. >> Plus I don't think there is any chance of flapperon reversal as there was >> a cahnce on early models if you went over about 15 degrees. >> >> The IV also used a larger chord flapperon as well as a symetrical one. >> With that being said the IV model can get more degrees of flap down >> although alot have limited theirs to 20 degrees or so. The only real >> benefit for the extra 10 to 15 degree not using a limiter is that you >> will get alot more lift and quicker takeoff with 30 to 35 degrees of >> flapperons but with that comes extra drag and you will want to bleed them >> off slowly as you get out of ground effect. >> >> I another trick would be to use full flap deflection just prior to lift >> off to get that extra "pop" , This is a real attribute for float flyers >> and even landplanes. >> >> For a short field take off goes like this --- Brakes on when they work -- >> tail up -- NO FLAPS - WIDE OPEN THROTTLE >> Start your roll and tail will likely fall a bit -- stick full ahead to >> keep tail up and alter your stick to keep your wing at about a zero >> angle off attack. >> when it ready ( about 30 IAS ) full FLAPS - I Mean FULL 30 to 35 >> Degrees and aft stick >> once airbourne the full flaps will not allow the best acceleration so >> start to bleed them off slowly to 20 degrees or so and will will be going >> up in a hurry. >> I routinely take off this way , does anyone else use this method ? >> >> Maybe we should all do some videos and post them for others to share >> some good tips on improving all of our Kitfox Flight qualities? >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lynn Matteson" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short Takeoff DAVE >> >> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson >> >> Apply the flaperons to one side or the other and see how much one side >> goes up versus the other side going down. Differential means that one >> side moves more or less than the other. In the Kitfox...as with most >> planes that I know of...the up-going aileron/flaperon moves further >> than the down-going one. This is so that the adverse yaw is reduced. If >> both flaperons moved the same amount, the nose of the plane would move >> opposite to the direction of the intended bank, and you would have a >> BUNCH of adverse yaw. We still have some in the Kitfox's, but I believe >> in the model IV's they reduced the adverse yaw a significant amount >> with flaperon differential. >> >> Lynn >> On Tuesday, September 19, 2006, at 09:45 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: >> >>> I have a KF2 what is flaperon differential? how do I know if I have it? >>> my 2 was finished in 2000 michigan kit foxer >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:26 AM PST US From: "6440 Auto Parts" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "6440 Auto Parts" Did they say what the simple fix was ? Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" > > I have my passenger brakes removed, however matco has a simple fix for > this problem, when talked to them at Oshkosh. > > Paul N102DG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lowell Fitt" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" >> >> Jerry, >> >> The early Matco's when the passenger brakes were also installed used to >> lock up in the event pressure was applied to both sides simultaneously. >> To unlock, they had to be bled at the caliper. Don't know if this is the >> problem. >> >> Lowell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Poe" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:47 PM >> Subject: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >> >> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" >>> >>> >>> I am having problems with my MC-1 and MC-3 Matco's dragging, getting hot >>> and locking up. I cleaned and rebuilt them and after 10 hours the same >>> thing happened. Are the new Matco's any better? The machine work on the >>> insides were of poor quality when I rebuilt them. Jerry Poe >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/default.mspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:23 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" I found this info http://www.carttonic.com/files/file_download.php?fi_id=38522 Service bulletin For MC-1 Pressure Lock Service Bulletin for MC-1 Pressure Lock Potential in Dual Cylinder Installation ----- Original Message ----- From: "6440 Auto Parts" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "6440 Auto Parts" > > > Did they say what the simple fix was ? > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" >> >> I have my passenger brakes removed, however matco has a simple fix for >> this problem, when talked to them at Oshkosh. >> >> Paul N102DG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lowell Fitt" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:16 AM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >> >> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" >>> >>> Jerry, >>> >>> The early Matco's when the passenger brakes were also installed used to >>> lock up in the event pressure was applied to both sides simultaneously. >>> To unlock, they had to be bled at the caliper. Don't know if this is >>> the problem. >>> >>> Lowell >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerry Poe" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:47 PM >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >>> >>> >>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" >>>> >>>> >>>> I am having problems with my MC-1 and MC-3 Matco's dragging, getting >>>> hot and locking up. I cleaned and rebuilt them and after 10 hours the >>>> same thing happened. Are the new Matco's any better? The machine work >>>> on the insides were of poor quality when I rebuilt them. Jerry Poe >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/default.mspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:24 AM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Make sure that the master cylinders extend to full open. Had the same problem. Had to shorten the shaft on both master cylinders. Matco will tell you that they have to open all the way or you will have a lock. Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va Model II 682 ----- Original Message ----- From: "6440 Auto Parts" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "6440 Auto Parts" > > > Did they say what the simple fix was ? > > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" >> >> I have my passenger brakes removed, however matco has a simple fix for >> this problem, when talked to them at Oshkosh. >> >> Paul N102DG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lowell Fitt" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:16 AM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >> >> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" >>> >>> Jerry, >>> >>> The early Matco's when the passenger brakes were also installed used to >>> lock up in the event pressure was applied to both sides simultaneously. >>> To unlock, they had to be bled at the caliper. Don't know if this is >>> the problem. >>> >>> Lowell >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerry Poe" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:47 PM >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >>> >>> >>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" >>>> >>>> >>>> I am having problems with my MC-1 and MC-3 Matco's dragging, getting >>>> hot and locking up. I cleaned and rebuilt them and after 10 hours the >>>> same thing happened. Are the new Matco's any better? The machine work >>>> on the insides were of poor quality when I rebuilt them. Jerry Poe >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/default.mspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:52 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" Michel, Pretty good animation. I think you will need to put training wheels on the main wheel to provide side to side support. Also, I know it was just a close animation but the short 45 degree bar that holds the wheel in place should probably be set where it will rest on the tail spring fuselage bolt. I made one from wood. It's 2 foot square on the bottom with four castors. It's about 4 inches square at the top (pyramid shaped). The tail spring fuselage bolt rest in the center of the 4" top. I installed a safety strap that goes around the tailwheel spring. Mine works great moving around the hanger but seems a little unstable moving across an uneven floor or dirt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question >> From: parahawk [alfi98596@yahoo.com] >> Does anybody have a picture or drawing of such a dolly ?? > > Eric and Al, > I was thinking about the front wheel of a child's bicycle with its fork. > Then a Y-shaped weld to the two holes of the transverse pipe supposed to > hold the Kitfox's dorsal fin. On the other side, a Y-shaped weld that has > a leather strap over it to rest the fuselage. > I made a simple animated sketch of it here: > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/tail.swf > > I think that by simply lifting the tail, the wheel will pivot in place. If > not, a wheel choke and a lift plus forward movement would do it. The > inverse is then done to lower the tail. What do you think? > > Cheers, > Michel > > > 

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________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:23 AM PST US From: "Stan Bearup" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" For those who don't want to build their own, here is a tailwheel hoist on wheels that can be purchased. Stan http://www.tail-mate.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:01 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Michel, I was going to say that you need a wheel that turns back there to maneuver it. How about 2 big casters for rough surfaces? Kurt S. --- Don Smythe wrote: > Michel, > Pretty good animation. I think you will need to > put training wheels on > the main wheel to provide side to side support. > Also, I know it was just a > close animation but the short 45 degree bar that > holds the wheel in place > should probably be set where it will rest on the > tail spring fuselage bolt. > I made one from wood. It's 2 foot square on the > bottom with four castors. > It's about 4 inches square at the top (pyramid > shaped). The tail spring > fuselage bolt rest in the center of the 4" top. I > installed a safety strap > that goes around the tailwheel spring. Mine works > great moving around the > hanger but seems a little unstable moving across an > uneven floor or dirt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Verheughe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:27 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question > > > >> From: parahawk [alfi98596@yahoo.com] > >> Does anybody have a picture or drawing of such a > dolly ?? > > > > Eric and Al, > > I was thinking about the front wheel of a child's > bicycle with its fork. > > Then a Y-shaped weld to the two holes of the > transverse pipe supposed to > > hold the Kitfox's dorsal fin. On the other side, a > Y-shaped weld that has > > a leather strap over it to rest the fuselage. > > I made a simple animated sketch of it here: > > > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/tail.swf > > > > I think that by simply lifting the tail, the wheel > will pivot in place. If > > not, a wheel choke and a lift plus forward > movement would do it. The > > inverse is then done to lower the tail. What do > you think? > > > > Cheers, > > Michel __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:45 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question Guys, my animated sketch was only an idea, I don't know at all if it will work. Currently, I don't need to fold my wings but ... I like to be prepared! :-) Dave, if I was to use it and fold my wings, I'd leave the plane on the dolly for as long as the wing are folded. Don, I don't know if you guys have that, but I have (although unused) a dorsal fin for my model 3, as used when on floats. The fin is fixed to the underside of the fuselage by two pins going through the fuselage, in two tubes that are open on the side. My idea then is to have the Y-fork to bear that pin and it would work as a pivot around which the wheel and axle would turn when the tail is lifted. Only the other Y-fork would need a kind of cushion (leather belt) to have the fuselage resting on it. Another solution would be to have that fork also pinned in the aft dorsal fin support. But that would be a two-men's job as one would lift and the other one, drive the pin through. Stan, yes, that could also be a solution but, if it works, I like also my idea that would only require to lift the tail to have the wheel falling in place. Please note: if it works! Kurt, of course, the wheel would have to turn. My drawing is not clear on that point but (and only on the top of my head) I was thinking about a child's bicycle (to have it small enough to fit under the fuselage when the tail is down) where you cut everything to keep only the front wheel, its fork, and the pipe in which the fork turns. You then weld two pipes in Y configuration, to that bicycle axis pipe. The wheel would then be free castoring as a a bike is. Again, all this is untested and I am not sure it will work. But ... it does in my head! :-) Incidentally, here is a close photo of my new tailwheel springs. The main leaf comes from Lowell. Since we talked about it earlier, I think this rig will stand a bit longer than the one-leaf-only solution I had in the past. The observant reader will also see the temporary taping of the rudder's fabric, that will need proper repair this winter. it's only cosmetic damages so it can wait. The even more observant reader will also notice the aft hole I am talking about, the one used to insert a pin that holds a dorsal fin. I am not sure many of you have that, but if you do, I guess you understand what I mean by my animation and the pivot around which the wheel and fork will turn and fall in place ... I think. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:56 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fox Video Footage --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Nice, Gary. Can one put any video on Google? How do you do it? BTW, you like flying with open doors, ain't you? :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? From: "Chris In Madison" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" Hello all, Please forgive the seemingly simple question, but the Kitfox Aircraft web site isn't definitive in this regard. Does the engine cowl come with the kit or must it be sourced from another manufacturer? I also noticed from other builders' photos that there is a round version, and a more traditional, streamlined version (which I prefer). If a cowl does come with the kit, which one is shipped, and what engines are designed to fit behind them? I suspect the Rotax 912/914 since these appear to be the preferred engines, but does the Jab 3300 fit behind it, or is this a custom application? Thanks and best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62827#62827 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:34 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Chris, We are working on the web to give more info... In the mean time.. The cowlings are not part of the firewall back kit... We have firewall forward packages for the Rotax 9 series, Lycoming O-235 and Continental O-200 and IO-240. The Round Cowl and Smooth cowls are options on the Rotax engines only. The Lycoming and Continental are smooth cowling only and are different then the Rotax. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris In Madison Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" Hello all, Please forgive the seemingly simple question, but the Kitfox Aircraft web site isn't definitive in this regard. Does the engine cowl come with the kit or must it be sourced from another manufacturer? I also noticed from other builders' photos that there is a round version, and a more traditional, streamlined version (which I prefer). If a cowl does come with the kit, which one is shipped, and what engines are designed to fit behind them? I suspect the Rotax 912/914 since these appear to be the preferred engines, but does the Jab 3300 fit behind it, or is this a custom application? Thanks and best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62827#62827 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:17 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox Yes, Liability only. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmie Blackwell To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox Is that for liability only? AIG charging me over $1,200 for 1 mil liability and 25K on the hull. Jimmie Glenn Horne wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" I just got the same on my Fox for $514.00 from my company. I also have my Cherokee insured with them. Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va. Model II 582 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insuring your Kitfox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 12:24 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote: >>When it comes to insuring an aircraft of this type, are you finding the ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:26 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? From: "Chris In Madison" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" Many thanks for the info. That answers my question :-) Will the prices for those kits be posted on the site in the future as well? Thanks and best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62836#62836 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:18 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox engine cowl: comes with the kit? - Jab 3300 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Chris: Jab 3300 requires a different cowling. If I remember correctly, there is a third party company that offers a FWF kit for the Kitfox/Jab 3300 combo. Hopefully, they will respond to this e-mail. Jose --- Chris In Madison wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris In > Madison" > > Hello all, > > Please forgive the seemingly simple question, but > the Kitfox Aircraft web site isn't definitive in > this regard. Does the engine cowl come with the kit > or must it be sourced from another manufacturer? > > I also noticed from other builders' photos that > there is a round version, and a more traditional, > streamlined version (which I prefer). If a cowl > does come with the kit, which one is shipped, and > what engines are designed to fit behind them? I > suspect the Rotax 912/914 since these appear to be > the preferred engines, but does the Jab 3300 fit > behind it, or is this a custom application? > > Thanks and best regards, > Chris > > -------- > Chris Owens > Waunakee, WI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62827#62827 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > > Web Forums! > > > Admin. > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:54 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel dolly question From: "parahawk" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "parahawk" Great animation Michael, thanks It gives me the basic idea, and I have to see what material I have laying around to use and come up with a similar functional device. Thanks again -------- Flying is the highest form of life on earth. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62854#62854 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:38 PM PST US From: Jimmie Blackwell Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V For Sale My friend Chuck Martin, (that does not have internet access), asked me to advertise his plane here and on Barnstormers. I know this plane to have been meticulously built and flys like a dream. It is a solid 10 inside and out. Here are the particulars: Tri-Gear with Groove mains. Continental IO240B engine. Total time airframe and engine - about 200 hrs. Purchased in 1999 as a quick-build kit and first flight 2001. Two 13 gallon tanks. Powder coated. Covered with ceconite from Air Tech was painted by a professional painter with Air Tech two-part polyurethane paint. Folding wings. Fairings on fuel filler Nose wheel faring has been fitted with horns for tow bar. Fabric Cabin cover. Strobe, landing and position lights. Magnetic compass low fuel warning light airspeed indicator. Gyro compass Attitude indicator Navid autopilot with connect to GPS or VOR Chronometer. VSI. KX 135 Nav-com with glideslope. Panel mounted GPS, Garmin 295. KT76A Transponder. Intercom. Leather seats and baggage compartment Heater. Adjustable rudder pedals. Maple wood panel. Red LED interior lights for night flight Electric trim Va 92 Vno 120 Ve 130 Vso 43 Vfe 80 Vx 55-60 Vne 140 Vy 65-75 Gross weight: 1550 lbs Asking $47,000 Contact Chuck Martin, Georgetown, Texas, Phone: 512 864-4155 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:44 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" That's a handy little thing but, IMO, it would have to be modified to raise the tail from the spring attachment point and not the tailwheel itself. You don't want to support the tail on the wheel because it puts too much tension on the spring. Don Smythe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Bearup" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" > > For those who don't want to build their own, here is a tailwheel hoist on > wheels that can be purchased. > > Stan > > http://www.tail-mate.com > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:52 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" I find the weight of the tail not to be too heavy until the wings are folded. When I put the plane on a trailer I lift the tail up onto a support that is lashed three ways then I fold my wings. I was thinking of getting one of those little garden wagons ( about twice the size of a flyer) and permanently installing a block on it to take the tail wheel for ground handling with the wings folded. I would mount the block on a swivel to allow the wagon to turn under the tail of the plane. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Michel Verheughe > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:25 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question > > > Guys, my animated sketch was only an idea, I don't know at all if it > will work. Currently, I don't need to fold my wings but ... I like to > be prepared! :-) > > Dave, if I was to use it and fold my wings, I'd leave the > plane on the > dolly for as long as the wing are folded. > > Don, I don't know if you guys have that, but I have (although > unused) a > dorsal fin for my model 3, as used when on floats. The fin is > fixed to > the underside of the fuselage by two pins going through the fuselage, > in two tubes that are open on the side. My idea then is to have the > Y-fork to bear that pin and it would work as a pivot around which the > wheel and axle would turn when the tail is lifted. Only the other > Y-fork would need a kind of cushion (leather belt) to have > the fuselage > resting on it. Another solution would be to have that fork > also pinned > in the aft dorsal fin support. But that would be a two-men's > job as one > would lift and the other one, drive the pin through. > > Stan, yes, that could also be a solution but, if it works, I > like also > my idea that would only require to lift the tail to have the wheel > falling in place. Please note: if it works! > > Kurt, of course, the wheel would have to turn. My drawing is > not clear > on that point but (and only on the top of my head) I was > thinking about > a child's bicycle (to have it small enough to fit under the fuselage > when the tail is down) where you cut everything to keep only > the front > wheel, its fork, and the pipe in which the fork turns. You then weld > two pipes in Y configuration, to that bicycle axis pipe. The wheel > would then be free castoring as a a bike is. > > Again, all this is untested and I am not sure it will work. > But ... it > does in my head! :-) > > Incidentally, here is a close photo of my new tailwheel springs. The > main leaf comes from Lowell. Since we talked about it > earlier, I think > this rig will stand a bit longer than the one-leaf-only > solution I had > in the past. The observant reader will also see the temporary > taping of > the rudder's fabric, that will need proper repair this winter. it's > only cosmetic damages so it can wait. > The even more observant reader will also notice the aft hole I am > talking about, the one used to insert a pin that holds a > dorsal fin. I > am not sure many of you have that, but if you do, I guess you > understand what I mean by my animation and the pivot around which the > wheel and fork will turn and fall in place ... I think. > > Cheers, > Michel > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:36 PM PST US From: "Jerry Poe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" Thanks for the info. They did seem to have this problem when my kid was taking lessons. The instructor was probably hitting the brakes at the same time. I'm going to try using new MC-5's on the left side only. No need for brakes on the right side. Thanks, Jerry Poe >From: "Dave" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:00:02 -0400 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" > >I found this info >http://www.carttonic.com/files/file_download.php?fi_id=38522 >Service bulletin For MC-1 Pressure Lock >Service Bulletin for MC-1 Pressure Lock Potential in Dual Cylinder >Installation > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "6440 Auto Parts" > >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:47 AM >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "6440 Auto Parts" >> >> >> Did they say what the simple fix was ? >> >>Randy >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:25 PM >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >> >> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" >>> >>>I have my passenger brakes removed, however matco has a simple fix for >>>this problem, when talked to them at Oshkosh. >>> >>>Paul N102DG >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:16 AM >>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >>> >>> >>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" >>>> >>>>Jerry, >>>> >>>>The early Matco's when the passenger brakes were also installed used to >>>>lock up in the event pressure was applied to both sides simultaneously. >>>>To unlock, they had to be bled at the caliper. Don't know if this is >>>>the problem. >>>> >>>>Lowell >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poe" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:47 PM >>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes? >>>> >>>> >>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I am having problems with my MC-1 and MC-3 Matco's dragging, getting >>>>>hot and locking up. I cleaned and rebuilt them and after 10 hours the >>>>>same thing happened. Are the new Matco's any better? The machine work >>>>>on the insides were of poor quality when I rebuilt them. Jerry Poe >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams >>>>>http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/default.mspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Try the new Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:55 PM PST US From: Ceashman@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question For those who don't want to build their own, here is a tailwheel hoist on wheels that can be purchased. Stan http://www.tail-mate.com There we go Stan.That looks perfect. The only thing lacking are the bigger wheels 'cause of the extra weight when the wings are folded. All problems solved. Eric. Atlanta area. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:32 PM PST US From: "Howard" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Rotax 912UL I am a new Kitfox owner, and need some advice. I have the wings off my Fox for recovering, and since the engine hasn't been started in over a year, I deceided to start it before I put on the wings...The header tank was about 1/2 full, so I felt there was plenty of gas to start up and see how it was running. I could not get the engine to fire...Can I start the engine with the wings off, and the total fuel system not on line, just using the header tank? What do you think I am doing wrong, and better yet, you might give me a short step by step check list. Thanks so much for your time in this matter. Safe flying. Howard Ligon ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:12 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 10:09 AM 9/20/2006, you wrote: >For those who don't want to build their own, here is a tailwheel hoist on >wheels that can be purchased. Neat idea. Another good reason to learn how to weld. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:44 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Fun Day --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan To start I flew three hours today. That's pretty good, considering my back's blown out and it's hotter'n heck here. For the first time I flew east over the mountains to the desert. As the wind at Ramona was 10-15 I expected a lot of turbulence over the mountains but found little. I think the wind was too far north. Once I dropped into the desert things got a little bumpy, but no so much that it bothered "10000 Maniacs" playing on the Ipod. I spotted the field from about 10 miles out, my first dirt strip! When I arrived I found the wind to be about 20-25, and about 45 degrees off any runway heading. It made for a really interesting pattern, with crab angles of 30 degrees plus. On final I set up for landing with my left wing so low I was worried it would drag. Of course, once in ground effect everything relaxed and some quick footwork kept things straight and level. Taxiing was fun, though, and once my right wing lifted and I just sat there with it flying for a few seconds until the aileron carefully set it back down. I thought I might get out for an ice cream at the little store across the street, but decided that if I got out the plane might just fly away. After letting things cool a bit I taxied out and took off across the runway. With no flaps I probably had a 50' roll. The way home was into the wind, so I made use of some good ridge lift to climb the 6500' required to clear the mountains back into San Diego. All in all a beautiful day. Some day, when I get high speed access, I'll send pictures. Only 17 hours to go. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:58 PM PST US From: "Rex Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage Hi ! Lowell. You miss one point in your opinion below. Unless I am sadly mistaken the track on the Grove gear is about a foot wider. While this is not to do with the plane being squirrelly it will help when you get in that situation to not ground loop it. This is because the tail needs to move further across before it takes over and you can't any longer prevent the loop. In other words the weight takes over from behind to come around to the front. Sorry I'm not good at explaining this but I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. Rex Australia. There is nothing inherently squirrely with the tube gear. I had both. (For those wondering, I changed out because I was having a hard time finding the ground early on and was concerned with structural damage due to the limit cables on the grear bulkhead. I know of guys that do not have the limit cables for that reason.) Lots of posts on the list address opinions and lots of the posts have opinions based on quite limited experience. If you find your gear squirrely, it will be due to misaligned wheels. This topic has been discussed in depth nearly every year or so. Toed in wheels will result in squirrely ground handling. Parallel tracking or slightly towed out will be fine. If you are landing well and then go squirrely, you might try checking wheel alignment. Just before we started the "Model, Engine" survey there was a long thread on tri vs. tw gear. With lots of discussion about equally divided between nose gear and tail wheel guys. The immediate implication to me was that lots of guys had opted to go nose wheel - lots of list traffic in favor. The survey showed that tail wheel is extremely predominant for those responding at about 10:1. Those numbers suggest that tail wheel is not too difficult to master by average pilots. I suspect that if we added spring vs. bungee to the survey, my guess would be that a majority of guys still fly with the tube gear with none complaining. Neither is inherently better than the other. You can find a mis-alligned spring that will be just as squirrely as a mis-aligned tube. That is why they sell the angled shims to correct for misallignment on the spring gear. I have heard of other negatives on the spring gear besides wt. They are shorter giving a more shallow angel of attack and quick off the ground is not as good as with the tube gear. There have been comments recently about taller tube gear for enhanced short field performance I hear that elsewhere also. In short it is all related to the mission of your airplane and personal preferences. No one's preference is any better than any other's preference - it is all just opinion. And this is just my opinion. Lowell ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:55 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Rotax 912UL --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" What I did, was use a 5 gal fuel can, ran the fuel line from the fuel pump to the can direct feed, ran the engine with no problem. You can also run from header tank, you will only have about 1 gal to work with. Ray >From: "Howard" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Rotax 912UL >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:56:43 -0400 > > >I am a new Kitfox owner, and need some advice. > >I have the wings off my Fox for recovering, and since the engine hasn't >been started in over a year, I deceided to start it before I put on the >wings...The header tank was about 1/2 full, so I felt there was plenty of >gas to start up and see how it was running. > >I could not get the engine to fire...Can I start the engine with the wings >off, and the total fuel system not on line, just using the header tank? > >What do you think I am doing wrong, and better yet, you might give me a >short step by step check list. > >Thanks so much for your time in this matter. > >Safe flying. > >Howard Ligon _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:08 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL From: "crazyivan" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "crazyivan" Old gas is bad gas. Drain all of the fuel lines and use fresh gas either from a 5 gallon can like Ray or the header. Also, your carbs might be gummed up from the varnished gas. You might have to disassemble the Bings, clean and reassemble/readjust. -------- Dave Speedster 912 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62928#62928 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:12 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Michel, I am sure that that would work. You may have to play with the angle of the bike steering axel to make it castor correctly. I think it should be close to vertical. Do you have two sets of hard points at the end of the fuselage? If so, you could lock it into the second set once in the "up" position. I do think the one wheel would be plenty stable if locked into the hard points. I don't need one, but it is such a good idea, I may need to build one. ;-) Oh, one data point. With near empty tanks, when both wings are folded on my series 5, the weight on the tail wheel is 152 lbs, so the estimates others have made sure seem right to me. I did a "folded weight and balance" to determine where the weight would be when trailering my plane to the airport for the first flights. It hasn't been on a trailer since. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" Michel , excellent .swf there I would add that if would have to limit the tail height to the door height. Once the wings are folded , then it wold be hard to lower it as the weight is only a guess but 150 to 200 pounds on that point . Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question >> From: parahawk [alfi98596@yahoo.com] >> Does anybody have a picture or drawing of such a dolly ?? > > Eric and Al, > I was thinking about the front wheel of a child's bicycle with its fork. > Then a Y-shaped weld to the two holes of the transverse pipe supposed to > hold the Kitfox's dorsal fin. On the other side, a Y-shaped weld that has > a leather strap over it to rest the fuselage. > I made a simple animated sketch of it here: > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/tail.swf > > I think that by simply lifting the tail, the wheel will pivot in place. If > not, a wheel choke and a lift plus forward movement would do it. The > inverse is then done to lower the tail. What do you think? > > Cheers, > Michel > > > 

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________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:48 PM PST US From: "Rex Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Dust Covers Hi ! All, my Matco MC-1 Master Cylinders have dust covers on them that I very much favour. They are Part no MC-12300 but Matco Mfg say they were not used in the last year of production and are no longer available. Further they have no idea of an alternative. I am just wondering if anyone on list has found an alternative. Many vehicles have similar looking covers and I'm sure something fits. It's just a matter of finding out what. My covers have got sticky with age and are arkward to get unstuck and in the correct place when topping up or checking fluid levels. I feel without the covers dirt can go down the hole in the centre where the actuator rod passes through the reservoir cover and that's right in front of my shoe soles so I'm sure it could happen without covers. There is no seal around the rod at this point. Should no one know what will fit I will post the answer if and when I find out. Thanks. Rex Australia. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:22 PM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Dust Covers Just a thought here but i would try a shock boot cover they come in many different colors and use small clips or bolts to hold together and extend and collapse . I am going to look into them for myself mine are getting sticky also and need replaced . Fly safe fly lkow fly slow FLY FUN FLY KITFOX John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD 582/ subbie TD/ Straight Floats