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1. 02:26 AM - Re: Fun Day (Ceashman@aol.com)
2. 02:58 AM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL (Ceashman@aol.com)
3. 03:12 AM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL(to Howard) (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 05:56 AM - New List Member (Algate)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL(to Howard) (dcsfoto)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Fun Day (Michel Verheughe)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: Fun Day (Guy Buchanan)
8. 06:56 AM - Polypropylene adhesive (HMDOUD)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: New List Member (Don Pearsall)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
11. 11:33 AM - Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL (flier)
12. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:39 PM - Re: Factory help - John and Debra (Lynn Matteson)
14. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (kurt schrader)
15. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (kurt schrader)
16. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Folding Wing Kitfox IV-1200 (kurt schrader)
17. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel dolly question (Dave)
18. 05:02 PM - Email address change (Fox5flyer)
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Only 17 hours to go.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Hello Guy.
So' a little over half way throo your 40 hours.
Kind of frustrating the first 40, but a good regulation, for safety sake!
But you say your destination was over the mountain. Kind of rough terrain to
be over during the teething time.
My three destinations that were provided were kind of close to my home
airport with just one under the Atlanta veil. So' only sometimes a little scary
when
I look up through the roof and see the big stuff on base.
I guess you immediate area is mountainous? that should make for real nice
scenery on a clear day!
>From your description, with those cross winds, you are definitely gaining Fox
experience and some sail plane technique (it looks) from your... "so I made
use of some good ridge lift to climb the 6500' required to clear the mountains
back into San Diego".
Isn't this the time of year that you folks get a little wind blowing to the
west from the deserts?
Anyway. Thanks for the story of your experience,
Eric.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL |
I could not get the engine to fire...Can I start the engine with the wings
off, and the total fuel system not on line, just using the header tank?
What do you think I am doing wrong, and better yet, you might give me a short
step by step check list.
Thanks so much for your time in this matter.
Safe flying.
Howard Ligon
Hi Howard
You can start the engine with the wings off, but you can't go flying (Ha! Ha!)
Clean and fresh fuel in the header tank has been suggested.
I would disconnect the battery 'cause you do not have history of how the
aircraft was assembled and you do not want to start the motor accidentally.
So' battery disconnect, Make sure the fuel valve is open, this valve is
between the header and the fuel pump. Should be somewhere under the instrument
panel.
Pull the prop through a couple of times (only to the left-direction of normal
spin).
There should be a fuel filter near the mechanical fuel pump. If this is glass
or clear, you should be able to see fuel movement. But this is not enough
fuel pump action to get the fuel to the carburetors.
If you do not have the opportunity to see the fuel. I suggest you remove the
fuel line to the pump and apply some compressed air to the header to make sure
fuel has the ability to arrive at the pump, every thing ok. connect the hose
Having charged the battery, hook up and then pull the throttle to you, you
want it closed. Activate the choke out all the way and turn the key. If this
will not start it after a couple of attempts, then remove a spark plug or two and
check for fuel. If they are as dry as a bone, then fuel is not getting there.
If they are soaking wet then it could be an electrical problem.
But you do want a good strong battery. No throttle and full choke during this
starting attempt.
PS. Make sure the airplane is secure. Because if you are lucky and the 912
comes alive, you do not need to be high speed taxiing at this time.
Talking about being lucky, when it starts, fiddle with the choke and
throttle. The engine likes about 2000 to 2300 rpm during the warm up.
All the best. Eric. Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL(to Howard) |
Hello again Howard.
I said:
Pull the prop through a couple of times (only to the left-direction of normal
spin).
I would like to clarify this.
When hand pulling the prop, do not rotate the prop in the opposite direction
that it normally travels.
I remember reading that; rotating the engine backwards will screw up some of
the internal system, I don't know what though!
Sorry for the inconvenience, Eric.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
To List Administrator (Sorry I forgot your name)
I have a new member who has recently purchased a model 4 / 582 who would
like to be included.
His email address is:
pudding@surf.sno.laurentian.ca
Thanks in advance
Gary Algate
Classic4 Jab2200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poe
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" <boscoaircraft@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the info. They did seem to have this problem when my kid was
taking lessons. The instructor was probably hitting the brakes at the same
time. I'm going to try using new MC-5's on the left side only. No need for
brakes on the right side. Thanks, Jerry Poe
>From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:00:02 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
>I found this info
>http://www.carttonic.com/files/file_download.php?fi_id=38522
>Service bulletin For MC-1 Pressure Lock
>Service Bulletin for MC-1 Pressure Lock Potential in Dual Cylinder
>Installation
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "6440 Auto Parts"
><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:47 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "6440 Auto Parts"
>><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>
>> Did they say what the simple fix was ?
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>>
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>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>>>
>>>I have my passenger brakes removed, however matco has a simple fix for
>>>this problem, when talked to them at Oshkosh.
>>>
>>>Paul N102DG
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:16 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>>>
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>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>>Jerry,
>>>>
>>>>The early Matco's when the passenger brakes were also installed used to
>>>>lock up in the event pressure was applied to both sides simultaneously.
>>>>To unlock, they had to be bled at the caliper. Don't know if this is
>>>>the problem.
>>>>
>>>>Lowell
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poe"
>>>><boscoaircraft@hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:47 PM
>>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe"
>>>>><boscoaircraft@hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>I am having problems with my MC-1 and MC-3 Matco's dragging, getting
>>>>>hot and locking up. I cleaned and rebuilt them and after 10 hours the
>>>>>same thing happened. Are the new Matco's any better? The machine work
>>>>>on the insides were of poor quality when I rebuilt them. Jerry Poe
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Rotax 912UL(to Howard) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
one reason to rotate prop is to pressure crankcase and force oil into the tank.
rotate in wrong direction it will draw oil into crankcase
that is what I was told by Rotax
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62977#62977
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> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
Nice story, Guy. I can imagine you and your Kitfox, in the desert dusty wind, just
sitting there and longing for that ice-cream. You should have grabbed your
cell phone, call for a home delivery pizza and ask the driver to grab an ice-cream
on its way! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:25 AM 9/21/2006, you wrote:
>But you say your destination was over the mountain. Kind of rough terrain
>to be over during the teething time.
It is, but most of the teething's done. Also, I fly high and pick landing
spots along the way. I know it's not as safe as I could be, but I just got
too bored circling above the field and it's mountains everywhere else.
>
>Isn't this the time of year that you folks get a little wind blowing to
>the west from the deserts?
We had a Santa Ana just last week. Not much on the ground, but about 15 -
25 above the field. The problem was that the wind on the ground kept
switching east/west so at one point I had to swap ends on the field to take
off.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Polypropylene adhesive |
Many thanks to all the Kitfoxers who answered my plea for help in
fastening a threaded collar onto the poly tank on my model 4.
I,ve made many phone calls (either 652 or 786, I lost count) to
"adhesive" websites, trying to find a product that would be compatable
with polypropylene.
I finally got ahold of a guy with 3M who was familiar with with what I
was trying to do. Gotchure problem solved, said he.
3M makes a product for specifically glueing polypropylene...........and
the 3M product number is DP-8500 and is available in several sizes, the
smallest of which, is $20. . According to 3M, it'll glue practically
anything to poly and will stick to anything you try to mate with poly.
3M doesn't sell to individuals, but they sell to WW Granger, who may not
sell to individuals, but they have many retailers who they do sell to.
My local tool supply and several other indusatrial supply houses are
suppliers from WW Granger. Granger part number for 3M #DP-8500 is
#4yxo4.
Anyway, I ordered the 3M DP-8500 product and will report back, the
results of a couple of my tests of glueing. Sure hope it works as
well as 3M's glowing reports.
Herb
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
OK Gary, I will add that name to the subscribed list.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New List Member
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
To List Administrator (Sorry I forgot your name)
I have a new member who has recently purchased a model 4 / 582 who would
like to be included.
His email address is:
pudding@surf.sno.laurentian.ca
Thanks in advance
Gary Algate
Classic4 Jab2200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Poe
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe" <boscoaircraft@hotmail.com>
Thanks for the info. They did seem to have this problem when my kid was
taking lessons. The instructor was probably hitting the brakes at the same
time. I'm going to try using new MC-5's on the left side only. No need for
brakes on the right side. Thanks, Jerry Poe
>From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:00:02 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
>I found this info
>http://www.carttonic.com/files/file_download.php?fi_id=38522
>Service bulletin For MC-1 Pressure Lock
>Service Bulletin for MC-1 Pressure Lock Potential in Dual Cylinder
>Installation
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "6440 Auto Parts"
><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:47 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "6440 Auto Parts"
>><sales@6440autoparts.com>
>>
>> Did they say what the simple fix was ?
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
>>>
>>>I have my passenger brakes removed, however matco has a simple fix for
>>>this problem, when talked to them at Oshkosh.
>>>
>>>Paul N102DG
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:16 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>>Jerry,
>>>>
>>>>The early Matco's when the passenger brakes were also installed used to
>>>>lock up in the event pressure was applied to both sides simultaneously.
>>>>To unlock, they had to be bled at the caliper. Don't know if this is
>>>>the problem.
>>>>
>>>>Lowell
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poe"
>>>><boscoaircraft@hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:47 PM
>>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: anyone using Matco MC-4 and MC-5 brakes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jerry Poe"
>>>>><boscoaircraft@hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>I am having problems with my MC-1 and MC-3 Matco's dragging, getting
>>>>>hot and locking up. I cleaned and rebuilt them and after 10 hours the
>>>>>same thing happened. Are the new Matco's any better? The machine work
>>>>>on the insides were of poor quality when I rebuilt them. Jerry Poe
>>>>>
>>>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>>>Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams
>>>>>http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http:
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| Subject: | Fuel System Rotax 912UL |
The "head" of the fuel in the wings provides needed fuel pressure. It is not likely
that you would get a start or successful run unless there is an electric
fuel pump to support fuel flow.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
>
> What I did, was use a 5 gal fuel can, ran the fuel line from the fuel pump
> to the can direct feed, ran the engine with no problem. You can also run
> from header tank, you will only have about 1 gal to work with.
>
> Ray
>
>
> >From: "Howard"
> >To:
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Rotax 912UL
> >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:56:43 -0400
> >
> >
> >I am a new Kitfox owner, and need some advice.
> >
> >I have the wings off my Fox for recovering, and since the engine hasn't
> >been started in over a year, I deceided to start it before I put on the
> >wings...The header tank was about 1/2 full, so I felt there was plenty of
> >gas to start up and see how it was running.
> >
> >I could not get the engine to fire...Can I start the engine with the wings
> >off, and the total fuel system not on line, just using the header tank?
> >
> >What do you think I am doing wrong, and better yet, you might give me a
> >short step by step check list.
> >
> >Thanks so much for your time in this matter.
> >
> >Safe flying.
> >
> >Howard Ligon
>
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| Subject: | Fuel System Rotax 912UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
The mechanical pump on the engine should support
running without gravity shouldn't it? I've run mine
before without tanks...
--- Original Message ---
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Rotax 912UL
>The "head" of the fuel in the wings provides needed
fuel pressure. It is not likely that you would get a
start or successful run unless there is an electric
fuel pump to support fuel flow.
>
>John Kerr
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
>>
>> What I did, was use a 5 gal fuel can, ran the fuel
line from the fuel pump
>> to the can direct feed, ran the engine with no
problem. You can also run
>> from header tank, you will only have about 1 gal
to work with.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> >From: "Howard"
>> >To:
>> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Rotax 912UL
>> >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:56:43 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> >I am a new Kitfox owner, and need some advice.
>> >
>> >I have the wings off my Fox for recovering, and
since the engine hasn't
>> >been started in over a year, I deceided to start
it before I put on the
>> >wings...The header tank was about 1/2 full, so I
felt there was plenty of
>> >gas to start up and see how it was running.
>> >
>> >I could not get the engine to fire...Can I start
the engine with the wings
>> >off, and the total fuel system not on line, just
using the header tank?
>> >
>> >What do you think I am doing wrong, and better
yet, you might give me a
>> >short step by step check list.
>> >
>> >Thanks so much for your time in this matter.
>> >
>> >Safe flying.
>> >
>> >Howard Ligon
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Tailwheel dolly question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Sep 21, 2006, at 5:51 AM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> Do you have two sets of hard points at the end of the fuselage?
In fact I do, Randy: the aft dorsal fin go-through tube. And you may be
right, a second attachment point may be necessary. But - as I wrote - I
am not in need of folding my wings. I was just playing with the idea of
how to do it if I had to. I don't know how it is in the US but over
here hangar room is hard to find and often one has to move several
planes before getting out. So far, I am lucky, I can go in and out
alone without moving a thing. But I also know my hangar is condemned an
one day I'll need another solution.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Factory help - John and Debra |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I ordered my new tailwheel spring on Monday, and it arrived here in
Michigan today, Thursday. The new owners are to be commended. This has
been a non-paid endorsement. : )
Lynn
p.s. Thanks, John and Debra...
On Monday, September 18, 2006, at 04:39 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I just got off the phone with John, after ordering an in-stock
> replacement spring of better-than-original-design for my recently
> broken (original) tailwheel spring, Jose, and I'm sure your
> experiences will parallel mine in dealing with the new Kitfox owners.
>
> Lynn
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2006, at 03:44 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>>
>> John:
>>
>> Sometimes its great to be wrong! I'm very pleased of
>> the massive positive feedback that you, Debra and your
>> company received in response to my e-mail, and to
>> learn that, after all, "we are not alone". It is very
>> important for us, earlier Kitfox owners, to know that
>> there is support available "when things get tough".
>>
>> I will contact you off the list to make the
>> arrangements to send my old, rusty wing lift strut.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jos
>>
>>
>>
>> --- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
>>> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>>>
>>> Jose,
>>> Unfortunately the fixtures for the Model 1
>>> and 2 lift struts are no
>>> longer available... We can duplicate them from yours
>>> and that has been and
>>> can be done again.
>>>
>>> I did get your emails from the 1st of September...
>>> but missed them.. I'm
>>> sorry.
>>>
>>> Fly Safe !!
>>> John & Debra McBean
>>> 208.337.5111
>>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com
>>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
>>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:11 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Factory help
>>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>>> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Duane:
>>>
>>> It is not clear what is driving you to write this
>>> e-mail, but seems to me like your experience and
>>> mine
>>> with the new factory have been different. A couple
>>> of
>>> weeks ago I did many attempts to get support from
>>> the
>>> factory on how to fix or replace the heavily
>>> corroded
>>> wing lift struts of my Kitfox II. I did not
>>> received
>>> any response from the new factory. I was expecting
>>> at
>>> least some technical support/advisory on how to fix
>>> this problem.
>>>
>>> Since this Kitfox was built by Dan Denney and not by
>>> Kitfox LLC, it is acceptable if they can't help me.
>>> Probably John McBean is avoiding any liability
>>> related
>>> to providing advisory to somebody fixing a plane
>>> that
>>> was not sold by him. That, again, is acceptable.
>>> His
>>> business is buiding awesome, brand new Kitfox kits,
>>> and it is great somebody is taking care of this.
>>>
>>> Based on my experience, if you have an early Kitfox,
>>> Model 1 thru 3, the factory that made your plane no
>>> longer exist and you are on your own. Since these
>>> are
>>> experimental aircrafts, this is also acceptable, but
>>> it is important that you are aware of it. Must also
>>> mentioned that the factory that made the Kitfox IV,
>>> Skystar, neither exist, so this information may
>>> apply
>>> to Model IV as well.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Jose Toro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
>>>> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>>>>
>>>> To My Fellow Kitfoxers:
>>>>
>>>> It is so nice to have a factory again to
>>> help us
>>>> with our parts
>>>> and information and kit needs; especially the
>>>> particular group of folks
>>>> that we got - Debra and John McBean, and their
>>>> staff.
>>>> I think that we all breathe a little easier
>>> to know
>>>> that Kitfox
>>>> is now a viable company with friendly, helpful
>>> folks
>>>> there to satisfy
>>>> our many questions with good, solid answers and
>>> the
>>>> right products.
>>>> I, therefore think we owe some allegiance to
>>> those
>>>> who were
>>>> willing to take on the not small task of carrying
>>>> forward the Kitfox
>>>> banner, and so, as we are the primary
>>> beneficiaries
>>>> of having a factory
>>>> to consult, the least we can do in return is to
>>>> patronize that same
>>>> factory when we make purchases for the
>>>> up-grade/repair, or modification
>>>> of our little aircraft.
>>>> It is basically not reasonable for us to
>>> expect the
>>>> factory to
>>>> support us with information, and then for us to
>>>> purchase our parts
>>>> elsewhere. Moreover, when we do this, we are
>>>> jeopardizing the future of
>>>> our investment in our own KItfoxes.
>>>> If we expect to have a factory to help us
>>> when we
>>>> are in need,
>>>> then we owe them the consideration of doing
>>> business
>>>> with them whenever
>>>> possible, because this is the only way that they
>>> can
>>>> be there for us in
>>>> the future.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, Duane Rueb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> browse
>>>> Subscriptions page,
>>>> FAQ,
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>>>
>>>> Web Forums!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Admin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> browse
>>> Subscriptions page,
>>> FAQ,
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>>
>>> Web Forums!
>>>
>>>
>>> Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Randy,
Someone is always getting it right here and thinking
of things the rest of us missed. A folded weight and
balance is a great idea.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> Oh, one data point. With near empty tanks, when
> both wings are folded on my
> series 5, the weight on the tail wheel is 152 lbs,
> so the estimates others
> have made sure seem right to me. I did a "folded
> weight and balance" to
> determine where the weight would be when trailering
> my plane to the airport
> for the first flights. It hasn't been on a trailer
> since.
>
> Randy
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Tailwheel dolly question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
And a fine sketch it was Michel.
You have the advantage of creating this computer stuff
faster than the rest of us. We are just using you to
fine tune it for the list. That happens when you
volunteer to draw! ;-)
On mine, I run the risk of breaking the wood stringer
under the tail using a strap. The strap would have to
run under the spring, or attach to a hard point, to
take the load when the wings are folded.
This is not a new problem. What did WW-I planes use?
More ideas flow here freely than any place else I
know.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Guys, my animated sketch was only an idea, I don't
> know at all if it will work. Currently, I don't
> need to fold my wings but ... I like to be
> prepared! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Folding Wing Kitfox IV-1200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks,
As I thought, it will need a tail stand, or nose
weight to stay level when folded.
Kurt S.
--- Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> >Now to stir up trouble: What happens when you fold
> the wings on the
> >Vexin? Does it fall on the tail? Not trying to
> cause trouble, but
> >really wondering....
>
> My Model IV-1200 would stay on the nose wheel with
> one wing folded
> but would sit on the tail skid with both folded.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Tailwheel dolly question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hey guys,
Why not just have something to cradle under the tailwheel ?
I like Michel' s idea but that will put alot of pressure on those dorsal fin
attach tube with fuel in wing tanks and even empty.
I use a 5 gal pail all the time under the tailwheel to keep the cat off the
plane. I would guess that I could fold the wings like that as well but it
is heavy to lift then.
You could just jack it up with a floor jack and roll it around on a firm
surface.
Hope this helps,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Tailwheel dolly question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> And a fine sketch it was Michel.
>
> You have the advantage of creating this computer stuff
> faster than the rest of us. We are just using you to
> fine tune it for the list. That happens when you
> volunteer to draw! ;-)
>
> On mine, I run the risk of breaking the wood stringer
> under the tail using a strap. The strap would have to
> run under the spring, or attach to a hard point, to
> take the load when the wings are folded.
>
> This is not a new problem. What did WW-I planes use?
>
> More ideas flow here freely than any place else I
> know.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
>> Guys, my animated sketch was only an idea, I don't
>> know at all if it will work. Currently, I don't
>> need to fold my wings but ... I like to be
>> prepared! :-)
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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