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1. 04:21 AM - [off-topic] Graphic. WAS: Tailwheel dolly question (Michel Verheughe)
2. 07:47 AM - Cost and Financing Question (Timothy Colman)
3. 08:16 AM - Flight Test Data (Guy Buchanan)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Dave G.)
5. 09:01 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Chris In Madison)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Stan Bearup)
7. 09:28 AM - Re: The USA by air (Richard Rabbers)
8. 09:34 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Dee Young)
9. 09:35 AM - kitfox series 7 kit for sale (tony fiacco)
10. 09:50 AM - Re: [off-topic] Graphic. WAS: Tailwheel dolly question (kurt schrader)
11. 10:12 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Todd Leiss)
12. 10:20 AM - Re: Undercarriage (Lowell Fitt)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: Undercarriage (Dave)
14. 11:45 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Gary Olson)
15. 12:31 PM - Re: kitfox series 7 kit for sale (Jim Rodenkirk)
16. 03:08 PM - Re: Undercarriage (Roger Standley)
17. 04:56 PM - Re: Undercarriage (Lowell Fitt)
18. 05:19 PM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (john perry)
19. 05:29 PM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
20. 06:14 PM - Re: kitfox series 7 kit for sale (wingsdown)
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Graphic. WAS: Tailwheel dolly question |
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> And a fine sketch it was Michel.
Thank you, Kurt. But the real beauty is ... its size! Have you noticed that the
file is only 2 Kb? That is less than the average HTML email. The trick is: simple
vector graphic (my speciality) and Macromedia Flash! ...Oops sorry, Adobe
Flash now. Incidently, and for those who like making internet graphic, I made
the vector drawings in Adobe Illustrator, then copy 'n paste it in Flash MX.
Cheers,
Michel
PS: Yes, size does matter but on the internet, less is more! :-)
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<pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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| Subject: | Cost and Financing Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Timothy Colman <tpcolman@yahoo.com>
I have been a lurker here for some time. I hope to complete my Sport Pilot license
in January, then hopefully buy a Kitfox that is eligible for Light Sport.
I will probably have some money to put down but have no idea who to talk to
about financing and insurance.
Who should I talk to about financing? What is the typical term and payment on
say a $15000 loan? I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
Thanks,
Tim
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| Subject: | Flight Test Data |
I'd like to get some criticism of the following flight test data:
Max speed - 90 MIAS @ 6700
Cruise - 78 MIAS @ 5800
Vx - 54 MIAS (5500' DA. Does Vx or Vy vary with DA?)
Vy - 59 MIAS
Vs0 - 35 MIAS
Vs1 - 42 MIAS
Power on stall, no flaps - 35 MIAS
Power on stall, full flaps - 26 MIAS
Minimum rate of descent is just above stall speed, clean or dirty with the
minimum RoD = -425fpm @ 45 MIAS clean and -390fpm @ 40MIAS dirty. I had to
guesstimate a minimum angle of descent. The curve is very flat from stall
to a local max somewhere near 55 MIAS. (I.e. max glide is near 55 MIAS.)
Interestingly the glide ratio is slightly better with half flaps at 45 MIAS
with indications of even better performance at slower air speeds. (Stall's
at about 42 MIAS.) And it has 90fpm less sink rate! So it looks like the
ideal engine out glide is 45 MIAS at half flaps downwind or no-wind and 55
MIAS no flaps upwind. (See chart.)
Now I know my plane is dirty. I have a 10" spinner, but a lot of excess air
is going through the cowl. (I have the ~13 x 2.5" exit.) I also have the
radiator in the breeze, dropped 1" from the lower fuselage surface, mainly
to enhance cooling on the ground. Thus I suspect I can eliminate almost 1
square foot of drag area between the two. (I'm not sure how much speed that
will give, but it represents almost 15% of the total drag. I'm estimating
that's good for about 5 MIAS.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
I once asked the same question, the answer I got was "How much have you
got?"
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Hi Tim,
There are a lot of answers to your questions, as I'm in a similar situation. Are
you an AOPA member? If so, there are a *lot* of resources in this section
of their web site:
If not, you can sign up for a free 6-month Flight Training membership on the site
and gain access to the info.
As for financing, I recently read an article on this, but for the life of me can't
figure out where it was (EAA web site perhaps?). But the short story is kit
financing is available, but a tad more expensive and a shorter term than buying
a finished airplane, primarily because they're unsecured loans (no airplane
to use as collateral). However, once the aircraft is complete and flying,
you can often refinance under normal aircraft terms in the 20-year range. But
some of the gotchas associated with that are potentially higher insurance costs
(the bank will likely make you carry some sort of hull insurance to protect
their investment).
I've read more than once that, if you're a homeowner, a home equity loan is a great
resource to finance your aircraft kit because the interest rates tend to
be lower, and it forgoes the higher insurance requirements.
I'm still learning a lot about this as I go as well, but hopefully it's insightful
enough to help you along.
Best regards,
Chris
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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63238#63238
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
Q: I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
A: I once asked the same question, the answer I got was "How much have
you got?"
That sounds about right. :-)
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: The USA by air |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
A link on AOPA newsletter received today, ' why we fly' provides details and credits
for those great cross country photo shared here a while back.
Two brothers and a Maule flight from California to Airventure 2006.
http://flash.aopa.org/cross-country/
there is also a link to a Luscombe restoration currently underway.
- lots of good photos.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63241#63241
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
Don't ask just do it, enjoy it and be glad you can
Dee
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Bearup<mailto:bearup@ida.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
Q: I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
A: I once asked the same question, the answer I got was "How much have
you got?"
That sounds about right. :-)
Stan
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Kitfox-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
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| Subject: | kitfox series 7 kit for sale |
this is going to be my last for sale advertisement on the list before i put it
in classifieds on trade-a-plane etc.
for sale kitfox series 7, no reasonable offer will be refused.
full kit approx 30hours of work done. all quick build kits and options
asking 20,000 i will ship or deliver upon payment.
pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
tony fiacco
massena, ny 13662
315 769-2207
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] Graphic. WAS: Tailwheel dolly question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Somehow I see a plug here for short people Michel.
:-)
That's OK. The best aircraft mechanics I know are
short. They can get into tight places better than us
oversized guys. And then there is the improvement in
your planes performance as a pilot. You'll never have
to face the day when someone yells, "Put down the
cookie and back away from the airplane!"
Wish we could keep Don S. flying and around here too.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
...............
> PS: Yes, size does matter but on the internet, less
> is more! :-)
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
For me the answer is "Way more than I would ever tell my wife !!!"
Todd Leiss
Model IV Speedster
Merritt Island, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Bearup
Sent: 9/22/2006 12:25:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
Q: I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
A: I once asked the same question, the answer I got was "How much have you got?"
That sounds about right. :-)
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Rex, Unfortuantely, I am not experienced in ground loops, tube or
aluminum :-), but I suspect the wider stance would help.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
Hi ! Lowell.
You miss one point in your opinion below. Unless I am
sadly mistaken the track on the Grove gear is about a foot wider. While
this is not to do with the plane being squirrelly it will help when you get
in that situation to not ground loop it. This is because the tail needs to
move further across before it takes over and you can't any longer prevent
the loop. In other words the weight takes over from behind to come around to
the front. Sorry I'm not good at explaining this but I think everyone knows
what I'm talking about.
Rex
Australia.
There is nothing inherently squirrely with the tube gear. I had both. (For
those wondering, I changed out because I was having a hard time finding the
ground early on and was concerned with structural damage due to the limit
cables on the grear bulkhead. I know of guys that do not have the limit
cables for that reason.) Lots of posts on the list address opinions and
lots of the posts have opinions based on quite limited experience.
If you find your gear squirrely, it will be due to misaligned wheels. This
topic has been discussed in depth nearly every year or so. Toed in wheels
will result in squirrely ground handling. Parallel tracking or slightly
towed out will be fine. If you are landing well and then go squirrely, you
might try checking wheel alignment.
Just before we started the "Model, Engine" survey there was a long thread on
tri vs. tw gear. With lots of discussion about equally divided between nose
gear and tail wheel guys. The immediate implication to me was that lots of
guys had opted to go nose wheel - lots of list traffic in favor. The survey
showed that tail wheel is extremely predominant for those responding at
about 10:1. Those numbers suggest that tail wheel is not too difficult to
master by average pilots.
I suspect that if we added spring vs. bungee to the survey, my guess would
be that a majority of guys still fly with the tube gear with none
complaining. Neither is inherently better than the other. You can find a
mis-alligned spring that will be just as squirrely as a mis-aligned tube.
That is why they sell the angled shims to correct for misallignment on the
spring gear.
I have heard of other negatives on the spring gear besides wt. They are
shorter giving a more shallow angel of attack and quick off the ground is
not as good as with the tube gear. There have been comments recently about
taller tube gear for enhanced short field performance I hear that elsewhere
also.
In short it is all related to the mission of your airplane and personal
preferences. No one's preference is any better than any other's
preference - it is all just opinion. And this is just my opinion.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
If you going to ground loop your Kitfox from pilot error then I guess that a
wider gear will allow for a little bit more pilot error but really I would
spend 1500 $ on some professional training and save the 15 or twenty pounds
of weight and you have got some skills that will make flying more fun and
safer as well as broadening your skills to take you to more places.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Thanks Rex, Unfortuantely, I am not experienced in ground loops, tube or
> aluminum :-), but I suspect the wider stance would help.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:46 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
>
>
> Hi ! Lowell.
> You miss one point in your opinion below. Unless I
> am sadly mistaken the track on the Grove gear is about a foot wider.
> While this is not to do with the plane being squirrelly it will help when
> you get in that situation to not ground loop it. This is because the tail
> needs to move further across before it takes over and you can't any longer
> prevent the loop. In other words the weight takes over from behind to come
> around to the front. Sorry I'm not good at explaining this but I think
> everyone knows what I'm talking about.
>
> Rex
>
> Australia.
>
> There is nothing inherently squirrely with the tube gear. I had both.
> (For
> those wondering, I changed out because I was having a hard time finding
> the
> ground early on and was concerned with structural damage due to the limit
> cables on the grear bulkhead. I know of guys that do not have the limit
> cables for that reason.) Lots of posts on the list address opinions and
> lots of the posts have opinions based on quite limited experience.
>
> If you find your gear squirrely, it will be due to misaligned wheels.
> This
> topic has been discussed in depth nearly every year or so. Toed in wheels
> will result in squirrely ground handling. Parallel tracking or slightly
> towed out will be fine. If you are landing well and then go squirrely,
> you
> might try checking wheel alignment.
>
> Just before we started the "Model, Engine" survey there was a long thread
> on
> tri vs. tw gear. With lots of discussion about equally divided between
> nose
> gear and tail wheel guys. The immediate implication to me was that lots
> of
> guys had opted to go nose wheel - lots of list traffic in favor. The
> survey
> showed that tail wheel is extremely predominant for those responding at
> about 10:1. Those numbers suggest that tail wheel is not too difficult to
> master by average pilots.
>
> I suspect that if we added spring vs. bungee to the survey, my guess would
> be that a majority of guys still fly with the tube gear with none
> complaining. Neither is inherently better than the other. You can find a
> mis-alligned spring that will be just as squirrely as a mis-aligned tube.
> That is why they sell the angled shims to correct for misallignment on the
> spring gear.
>
> I have heard of other negatives on the spring gear besides wt. They are
> shorter giving a more shallow angel of attack and quick off the ground is
> not as good as with the tube gear. There have been comments recently
> about
> taller tube gear for enhanced short field performance I hear that
> elsewhere
> also.
>
> In short it is all related to the mission of your airplane and personal
> preferences. No one's preference is any better than any other's
> preference - it is all just opinion. And this is just my opinion.
>
> Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
Todd, You hit that one on the head. Especially when you break a $565 windscreen
after applying too much pressure in the wrong place!!
Todd Leiss <tleiss@earthlink.net> wrote: For me the answer is "Way more
than I would ever tell my wife !!!"
Todd Leiss
Model IV Speedster
Merritt Island, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Bearup
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 9/22/2006 12:25:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
Q: I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
A: I once asked the same question, the answer I got was "How much have you got?"
That sounds about right. :-)
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox series 7 kit for sale |
Hi tony, I'm intrested in your 7. Looking for a kitfox kit to start asap
. Please email me the
pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
Thank You,
Jim Rodenkirk
Sussex wi.
tony fiacco wrote:
> this is going to be my last for sale advertisement on the list before
> i put it in classifieds on trade-a-plane etc.
> for sale kitfox series 7, no reasonable offer will be refused.
> full kit approx 30hours of work done. all quick build kits and options
> asking 20,000 i will ship or deliver upon payment.
> pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
>
> tony fiacco
> massena, ny 13662
> 315 769-2207
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr
> <%20http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43290/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains>.
> We'll help.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
=0AHi Lowell,=0A=0AWe could teach you ground loops in a few e
asy lessons. Lets use your airplane.=0A=0ARoger=0A ----- Ori
ginal Message ----- =0A From: Lowell Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.
net> =0A To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronic
s.com> =0A Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:20 AM=0A Subjec
t: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage=0A=0A=0A --> Kitfox-List m
essage posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sb
cglobal.net>>=0A=0A Thanks Rex, Unfortuantely, I am not experi
enced in ground loops, tube or =0A aluminum :-), but I suspect the
wider stance would help.=0A=0A Lowell=0A ----- Original Me
ssage ----- =0A From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com<mailto:rexjan
@bigpond.com>>=0A To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-lis
t@matronics.com>>=0A Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:46 PM
=0A Subject: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage=0A=0A=0A Hi ! L
owell.=0A You miss one point in your opinion
below. Unless I am =0A sadly mistaken the track on the Grove ge
ar is about a foot wider. While =0A this is not to do with the pla
ne being squirrelly it will help when you get =0A in that situatio
n to not ground loop it. This is because the tail needs to =0A mov
e further across before it takes over and you can't any longer prevent
=0A the loop. In other words the weight takes over from behind to
come around to =0A the front. Sorry I'm not good at explaining th
is but I think everyone knows =0A what I'm talking about.=0A
=0A
=0A
Rex=0A
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tralia.=0A=0A There is nothing inherently squirrely with the tu
be gear. I had both. (For=0A those wondering, I changed out beca
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ables for that reason.) Lots of posts on the list address opinions an
d=0A lots of the posts have opinions based on quite limited experi
ence.=0A=0A If you find your gear squirrely, it will be due to
misaligned wheels. This=0A topic has been discussed in depth near
ly every year or so. Toed in wheels=0A will result in squirrely g
round handling. Parallel tracking or slightly=0A towed out will
be fine. If you are landing well and then go squirrely, you=0A mi
ght try checking wheel alignment.=0A=0A Just before we started
the "Model, Engine" survey there was a long thread on=0A tri vs. t
w gear. With lots of discussion about equally divided between nose
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edominant for those responding at=0A about 10:1. Those numbers su
ggest that tail wheel is not too difficult to=0A master by average
pilots.=0A=0A I suspect that if we added spring vs. bungee to
the survey, my guess would=0A be that a majority of guys still fly
with the tube gear with none=0A complaining. Neither is inherent
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hat will be just as squirrely as a mis-aligned tube.=0A That is wh
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spring gear.=0A=0A I have heard of other negatives on the spr
ing gear besides wt. They are=0A shorter giving a more shallow an
gel of attack and quick off the ground is=0A not as good as with t
he tube gear. There have been comments recently about=0A taller t
ube gear for enhanced short field performance I hear that elsewhere
=0A also.=0A=0A In short it is all related to the mission of y
our airplane and personal=0A preferences. No one's preference is
any better than any other's=0A preference - it is all just opinion
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hey, Rodger,
Might go for that. Let's get together.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
Lowell
Hi Lowell,
We could teach you ground loops in a few easy lessons. Lets use your
airplane.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>>
Thanks Rex, Unfortuantely, I am not experienced in ground loops, tube or
aluminum :-), but I suspect the wider stance would help.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com<mailto:rexjan@bigpond.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
Hi ! Lowell.
You miss one point in your opinion below. Unless I
am
sadly mistaken the track on the Grove gear is about a foot wider. While
this is not to do with the plane being squirrelly it will help when you
get
in that situation to not ground loop it. This is because the tail needs to
move further across before it takes over and you can't any longer prevent
the loop. In other words the weight takes over from behind to come around
to
the front. Sorry I'm not good at explaining this but I think everyone
knows
what I'm talking about.
Rex
Australia.
There is nothing inherently squirrely with the tube gear. I had both.
(For
those wondering, I changed out because I was having a hard time finding
the
ground early on and was concerned with structural damage due to the limit
cables on the grear bulkhead. I know of guys that do not have the limit
cables for that reason.) Lots of posts on the list address opinions and
lots of the posts have opinions based on quite limited experience.
If you find your gear squirrely, it will be due to misaligned wheels.
This
topic has been discussed in depth nearly every year or so. Toed in wheels
will result in squirrely ground handling. Parallel tracking or slightly
towed out will be fine. If you are landing well and then go squirrely,
you
might try checking wheel alignment.
Just before we started the "Model, Engine" survey there was a long thread
on
tri vs. tw gear. With lots of discussion about equally divided between
nose
gear and tail wheel guys. The immediate implication to me was that lots
of
guys had opted to go nose wheel - lots of list traffic in favor. The
survey
showed that tail wheel is extremely predominant for those responding at
about 10:1. Those numbers suggest that tail wheel is not too difficult to
master by average pilots.
I suspect that if we added spring vs. bungee to the survey, my guess would
be that a majority of guys still fly with the tube gear with none
complaining. Neither is inherently better than the other. You can find a
mis-alligned spring that will be just as squirrely as a mis-aligned tube.
That is why they sell the angled shims to correct for misallignment on the
spring gear.
I have heard of other negatives on the spring gear besides wt. They are
shorter giving a more shallow angel of attack and quick off the ground is
not as good as with the tube gear. There have been comments recently
about
taller tube gear for enhanced short field performance I hear that
elsewhere
also.
In short it is all related to the mission of your airplane and personal
preferences. No one's preference is any better than any other's
preference - it is all just opinion And this is just my opinion.
Lowell
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I tell mine what you dont know dosent hurt you now im going flying lol .
Jp
Kitfox 2 N718PD
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Leiss
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
For me the answer is "Way more than I would ever tell my wife !!!"
Todd Leiss
Model IV Speedster
Merritt Island, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Bearup
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 9/22/2006 12:25:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
Q: I am trying to figure out the total monthly cost of this sport.
A: I once asked the same question, the answer I got was "How much
have you got?"
That sounds about right. :-)
Stan
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any thing worth having you need to work harder for then you think you should
I have goten my hanger rent down to $20 per mo plus mowing and snow removal
so far I havent had to do both in the same month.
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| Subject: | kitfox series 7 kit for sale |
See Tony you should have purchased my Model 5 when you had the chance.
:)
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony fiacco
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox series 7 kit for sale
this is going to be my last for sale advertisement on the list before i
put it in classifieds on trade-a-plane etc.
for sale kitfox series 7, no reasonable offer will be refused.
full kit approx 30hours of work done. all quick build kits and options
asking 20,000 i will ship or deliver upon payment.
pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
tony fiacco
massena, ny 13662
315 769-2207
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