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1. 04:48 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (Don Smythe)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Undercarriage (fox5flyer)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: Undercarriage (tc9008@aol.com)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: Cost and Financing Question (kirk hull)
5. 10:04 AM - Re: Undercarriage (Lowell Fitt)
6. 12:14 PM - Announcement - Westover LSA fly-in (Lowell Fitt)
7. 12:59 PM - Announcement: Show Ane Shine (Lowell Fitt)
8. 01:00 PM - Re: kitfox series 7 kit for sale (John Oakley)
9. 01:17 PM - [Off topic] Two Kitfoxes (Michel Verheughe)
10. 02:53 PM - Re: [Off topic] Two Kitfoxes (Ben Baltrusaitis)
11. 05:27 PM - (John Oakley)
12. 05:32 PM - Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press (Dave)
13. 06:09 PM - Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press floate (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
14. 06:10 PM - Re: Polypropylene adhesive (dwight purdy)
15. 06:48 PM - Re: Polypropylene adhesive (Jay Carter)
16. 07:24 PM - Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes (Brent E Bidus)
17. 07:36 PM - Re: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes (Cory Emberson)
18. 07:45 PM - Undercarriage - Bungee nico press (fox5flyer)
19. 09:00 PM - Re: kitfox series 7 kit for sale (tony fiacco)
20. 10:09 PM - Re: kitfox series 7 kit for sale (John Oakley)
21. 10:10 PM - Re: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes (Randy Daughenbaugh)
22. 10:27 PM - Re: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes (Cory Emberson)
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| Subject: | Re: Cost and Financing Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Tim,
For financing, I took out a home equity line of credit. Monthly
operating cost depends on how much you fly and of course, if you have to pay
hanger rent. Now, I have a nice Classic IV for sale if you're interested.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Colman" <tpcolman@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Timothy Colman <tpcolman@yahoo.com>
>
> I have been a lurker here for some time. I hope to complete my Sport
> Pilot license in January, then hopefully buy a Kitfox that is eligible for
> Light Sport. I will probably have some money to put down but have no idea
> who to talk to about financing and insurance.
>
> Who should I talk to about financing? What is the typical term and
> payment on say a $15000 loan? I am trying to figure out the total monthly
> cost of this sport.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
With all due respect to those who have voiced their input on this
subject, I'd just like to add my two bits (which is all that it's
worth) to this. This spring gear/tube gear thread has been off and
on for as long as I can remember on this list and I seriously doubt
that there will ever be a consensus as to which is better.
In my opinion, having had both, it's a trade off. Currently I have
the spring gear, but only because it came with the kit. The spring
gear is significantly heavier. Mine, with all hardware, wheels,
tires, brake calipers was almost exactly 75lbs. I've seen people go
to great lengths to save just a few grams of weight on various things
to keep the weight down, yet add a bunch more "pounds" and $$$$ to
add the spring gear. I've never felt my S5 with spring gear was
easier to handle than my old Model II with tube gear was. Both
tracked straight and handled cross winds just fine. Where the big
difference was (other than weight) was when I'd misjudge my full
stall landing and drop it in from a few feet up. The tube gear would
really bounce where the spring gear tends to just soak it up
smoothly. That's about the only difference I've ever been able to
note. I have the "tall" spring gear that was produced on the early
S5s. The gear legs are longer and skinnier than the later models
were.
If you feel your Fox is squirrely then, in my opinion, you need to
focus more on your gear alignment than things like tire pressure,
bungies, or the type of gear you have. A little toe-in can cause a
good handling airplane to be a handful.
So, I guess one just considers priorities, dollars, weight, and the
experiences of others to make a decision on it. Oh, there's also the
factor of bungie replacement every couple years, but I never felt it
was a big deal. I always made my own and the install didn't take
very long.
Regards,
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
How does the toe end adjust ?
Travis
-----Original Message-----
From: fox5flyer@i-star.com
Sent: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
With all due respect to those who have voiced their input on this
subject, I'd just like to add my two bits (which is all that it's
worth) to this. This spring gear/tube gear thread has been off and
on for as long as I can remember on this list and I seriously doubt
that there will ever be a consensus as to which is better.
In my opinion, having had both, it's a trade off. Currently I have
the spring gear, but only because it came with the kit. The spring
gear is significantly heavier. Mine, with all hardware, wheels,
tires, brake calipers was almost exactly 75lbs. I've seen people go
to great lengths to save just a few grams of weight on various things
to keep the weight down, yet add a bunch more "pounds" and $$$$ to
add the spring gear. I've never felt my S5 with spring gear was
easier to handle than my old Model II with tube gear was. Both
tracked straight and handled cross winds just fine. Where the big
difference was (other than weight) was when I'd misjudge my full
stall landing and drop it in from a few feet up. The tube gear would
really bounce where the spring gear tends to just soak it up
smoothly. That's about the only difference I've ever been able to
note. I have the "tall" spring gear that was produced on the early
S5s. The gear legs are longer and skinnier than the later models
were.
If you feel your Fox is squirrely then, in my opinion, you need to
focus more on your gear alignment than things like tire pressure,
bungies, or the type of gear you have. A little toe-in can cause a
good handling airplane to be a handful.
So, I guess one just considers priorities, dollars, weight, and the
experiences of others to make a decision on it. Oh, there's also the
factor of bungie replacement every couple years, but I never felt it
was a big deal. I always made my own and the install didn't take
very long.
Regards,
Deke
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| Subject: | Cost and Financing Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
The cost of operating any aircraft varies greatly depending on many factors
but the Kitfox is a good choice for cheap flying. Here are a few general
things to think about.
1. insurance for a tailwheel will be more expensive then a nosewheel
(especially for a low time pilot )
2. The smaller the airport the cheaper the rent. And usually the fuel also
3. the engine will be your biggest expense so do your research on the
engine before you buy.
4. If you are not an A&P and did not build the plane you will have to pay
someone to do the condition insp every year. If you are able to find a
partially completer kit that you can finish, you are then the builder
and can therefore do the insp ( assuming you apply for the cert).
5. The Kitfox is a very simple aircraft but if you are not sure what you
are doing have a mechanic or other knowledgeable person look it over so
you have know surprises.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Tim,
For financing, I took out a home equity line of credit. Monthly
operating cost depends on how much you fly and of course, if you have to pay
hanger rent. Now, I have a nice Classic IV for sale if you're interested.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Colman" <tpcolman@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cost and Financing Question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Timothy Colman <tpcolman@yahoo.com>
>
> I have been a lurker here for some time. I hope to complete my Sport
> Pilot license in January, then hopefully buy a Kitfox that is eligible for
> Light Sport. I will probably have some money to put down but have no idea
> who to talk to about financing and insurance.
>
> Who should I talk to about financing? What is the typical term and
> payment on say a $15000 loan? I am trying to figure out the total monthly
> cost of this sport.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Deke,
Your thoughts are mine exactly. I had trouble with neither as far as
landing is concerned, or taxiing for that matter. The article in the Kitfox
Times about gear alignment came as I was building, so that was checked and
adjusted before the first flight.
It is true, for me at least, that the things I read on this list often
serves as motivation in considering my airplanes configuration. It was
about the time I was seriously dropping it in on almost every landing that a
post came in regarding a hard landing where the limit cables collapsed the
bungee bulkhead resulting in a weld in replacement, new fabric etc. I am in
Aerothane and the latter didn't seem fun, so I went in the direction of
ridding myself of the limit cables - aluminum gear. I have friends that
simply cut out the limit cables and went without them. It is hard for me to
accept those little cables fastened with nicopress fittings being strong
enough to collapse the bulkhead, but it did and they can. That became a
motivation for me to spend the bucks and accept the weight penalty.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>
>
> With all due respect to those who have voiced their input on this
> subject, I'd just like to add my two bits (which is all that it's
> worth) to this. This spring gear/tube gear thread has been off and
> on for as long as I can remember on this list and I seriously doubt
> that there will ever be a consensus as to which is better.
> In my opinion, having had both, it's a trade off. Currently I have
> the spring gear, but only because it came with the kit. The spring
> gear is significantly heavier. Mine, with all hardware, wheels,
> tires, brake calipers was almost exactly 75lbs. I've seen people go
> to great lengths to save just a few grams of weight on various things
> to keep the weight down, yet add a bunch more "pounds" and $$$$ to
> add the spring gear. I've never felt my S5 with spring gear was
> easier to handle than my old Model II with tube gear was. Both
> tracked straight and handled cross winds just fine. Where the big
> difference was (other than weight) was when I'd misjudge my full
> stall landing and drop it in from a few feet up. The tube gear would
> really bounce where the spring gear tends to just soak it up
> smoothly. That's about the only difference I've ever been able to
> note. I have the "tall" spring gear that was produced on the early
> S5s. The gear legs are longer and skinnier than the later models
> were.
> If you feel your Fox is squirrely then, in my opinion, you need to
> focus more on your gear alignment than things like tire pressure,
> bungies, or the type of gear you have. A little toe-in can cause a
> good handling airplane to be a handful.
> So, I guess one just considers priorities, dollars, weight, and the
> experiences of others to make a decision on it. Oh, there's also the
> factor of bungie replacement every couple years, but I never felt it
> was a big deal. I always made my own and the install didn't take
> very long.
> Regards,
> Deke
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Announcement - Westover LSA fly-in |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Some folks at westover, Amador County Ariport (O70) are planning a LSA
Fly-in for the weekend of the 14th of October. This ariport is about 30
miles East (magnetic) of Sacramento, CA
All pilots or friends that have an interest in LSA are invited to attend.
My understanding is that there will be activities planned for Friday the
13th as well as the 14th. Lunch and Dinner will be available both days.
There are folks on the field very interested in LSA and the infrastructure
needed to get it fully functioning in the aviation world. Those interested
in that part of aviation whether from the pilot's point of view or from the
training, or support aspects might want to attend.
A Saturday fly-out to Eagles Nest, a private residential airport with an
emphasis on Warbird restoration is planned.
Please pass this info onto friends that may be interersted.
Contact Chris McKenze for details. (209) 267-5090
Lowell
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| Subject: | Announcement: Show Ane Shine |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
The annual Show and Shine event in Cameron Park will be held on Saturday
October 7th this year.
This event is sponsored by the Cameron Park Soroptomists. It is open to
Classic Cars, Hot Rods and Airplanes. If this year is anything like the
past, there should be close to 100 Automobiles from all over Northern
California and Western Nevada. These cars border on the Must See variety
and the airplanes have been sort of a side show in the past. There will be
lots of vendors, food and otherwise.
This year the organizers are trying to make the airplanes a larger part of
the event and have increased their efforts in that area. There have always
been awards given airplane owners in at least three catagories.
If you are planning on coming, arrive early, before 0700 and use the North
taxiway (Land on Runway 31 and continue to the end and make a left when able
on the taxiway that will intersect Boeing Road). There will be tons of
pedestrian traffic so arriving late or leaving early won't work. Plan on
leaving about 1700 when the crowd begins to thin. If you have a nice clean
airplane, you will be in the running for the award. I have four and my
airplane is definitely not spectacular.
If you do plan on coming drop me a note, I will make my place available for
a gathering spot.
Questions lcfitt@sbcglobal.net
Hope to see you there.
Lowell
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| Subject: | kitfox series 7 kit for sale |
Tony,
Have you sold your fox.
John Oakley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony fiacco
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox series 7 kit for sale
this is going to be my last for sale advertisement on the list before i put
it in classifieds on trade-a-plane etc.
for sale kitfox series 7, no reasonable offer will be refused.
full kit approx 30hours of work done. all quick build kits and options
asking 20,000 i will ship or deliver upon payment.
pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
tony fiacco
massena, ny 13662
315 769-2207
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| Subject: | [Off topic] Two Kitfoxes |
Hello guys,
I can't resist to send you a photo taken today at my airfield. The
first time my Kitfox meets another one, at home. This second Kitfox is
owned by a Norwegian, living in Sweden, and he had to trail his
Norwegian registered plane to here (we are not too far from the Swedish
border) to get his annual permit to fly.
I have a Kitfox 3 with a Jabiru and he has a Kitfox 2 with a Jabiru.
What's more: It turns out that his plane is the older sister of mine!
How's that? Well, I knew that the original builder of my plane had
built another Kitfox before. That's the one!
So, for a few hours, the two "sisters" were facing each other. I am
sure they had a lot to say to each other. Anyway, the wife of this
Norwegian pilot is French Canadian, so I had the pleasure to speak my
mother tongue today. What's more? Svein, the pilot, is a friend of our
Torgeir, as he is also from Troms=F8, that place far north, where they
have such a charming dialect! :-)
So, Sven, who now owns a farm and his own landing stripe in Sweden, has
invited me to fly there so there will be more Kitfox meeting in the
future. The planes will talk together in the hangar, and I'll talk with
Svein ... about Torgeir! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: [Off topic] Two Kitfoxes |
Geez, Michel, you sure do have an interesting life! I'm sure those two
Foxes had a lot to talk about, too.
I didn't see Svein on the Kitfox Frappr Map.
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
If he isn't there, will you please tell him about it so we can all see
where he lives? Thanks!
Also, for the other Kitfoxers on the list, there is a web site for the
Scandinavian Kitfox owners:
http://www.scandinavian-kitfoxes.se
Michel, there used to be a link to the Kitfox Frappr Map, but I didn't
see it this time.
Please invite more members to join the map. Last count I saw was 177.
Michel, keep telling the good stories and sending the excellent
pictures!
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 09/23/2006 4:16 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off topic] Two Kitfoxes
Hello guys,
I can't resist to send you a photo taken today at my airfield. The
first time my Kitfox meets another one, at home. This second Kitfox is
owned by a Norwegian, living in Sweden, and he had to trail his
Norwegian registered plane to here (we are not too far from the
Swedish
border) to get his annual permit to fly.
I have a Kitfox 3 with a Jabiru and he has a Kitfox 2 with a Jabiru.
What's more: It turns out that his plane is the older sister of mine!
How's that? Well, I knew that the original builder of my plane had
built another Kitfox before. That's the one!
So, for a few hours, the two "sisters" were facing each other. I am
sure they had a lot to say to each other. Anyway, the wife of this
Norwegian pilot is French Canadian, so I had the pleasure to speak my
mother tongue today. What's more? Svein, the pilot, is a friend of our
Torgeir, as he is also from Troms=F8, that place far north, where they
have such a charming dialect! :-)
So, Sven, who now owns a farm and his own landing stripe in Sweden,
has
invited me to fly there so there will be more Kitfox meeting in the
future. The planes will talk together in the hangar, and I'll talk
with
Svein ... about Torgeir! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Jim Blackwell,
Are you on the list. I have a friend looking for a plane,
John Oakley
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Deke, Excelent info there on the gear conmparisons.
I saw you mentioned about bungees replacement. Mine have over 350 hours on
them now and I am going to make some new ones soon. The Crimps on mine are
very thick alum.
What have you used for a nico style fitting? I am thinking of using a
piece of 4130 and making a jig to crimp it with. . Those large alum ones
are thick and clumsy to feed back through the opening on bottom when busting
my knuckles after the floats come off and gear goes back on. Mine are
showing some wear now . I have already in stock the 3/8s cord which is
MIL SPEC stuff.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>
>
> With all due respect to those who have voiced their input on this
> subject, I'd just like to add my two bits (which is all that it's
> worth) to this. This spring gear/tube gear thread has been off and
> on for as long as I can remember on this list and I seriously doubt
> that there will ever be a consensus as to which is better.
> In my opinion, having had both, it's a trade off. Currently I have
> the spring gear, but only because it came with the kit. The spring
> gear is significantly heavier. Mine, with all hardware, wheels,
> tires, brake calipers was almost exactly 75lbs. I've seen people go
> to great lengths to save just a few grams of weight on various things
> to keep the weight down, yet add a bunch more "pounds" and $$$$ to
> add the spring gear. I've never felt my S5 with spring gear was
> easier to handle than my old Model II with tube gear was. Both
> tracked straight and handled cross winds just fine. Where the big
> difference was (other than weight) was when I'd misjudge my full
> stall landing and drop it in from a few feet up. The tube gear would
> really bounce where the spring gear tends to just soak it up
> smoothly. That's about the only difference I've ever been able to
> note. I have the "tall" spring gear that was produced on the early
> S5s. The gear legs are longer and skinnier than the later models
> were.
> If you feel your Fox is squirrely then, in my opinion, you need to
> focus more on your gear alignment than things like tire pressure,
> bungies, or the type of gear you have. A little toe-in can cause a
> good handling airplane to be a handful.
> So, I guess one just considers priorities, dollars, weight, and the
> experiences of others to make a decision on it. Oh, there's also the
> factor of bungie replacement every couple years, but I never felt it
> was a big deal. I always made my own and the install didn't take
> very long.
> Regards,
> Deke
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press floate |
what kind of floats do you have how often do you change them? kf2
michigan kit foxer mal
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| Subject: | Re: Polypropylene adhesive |
I spent a considerable amount of time trying to find this product in the
granger catalog. A link would have been nice. The part number 4yxo4 refers
to DP8005 not 8500. Is there a DP8500?
Dwight
At 08:55 AM 9/21/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Many thanks to all the Kitfoxers who answered my plea for help in
>fastening a threaded collar onto the poly tank on my model 4.
>
>I,ve made many phone calls (either 652 or 786, I lost count) to "adhesive"
>websites, trying to find a product that would be compatable with
>polypropylene.
>
>I finally got ahold of a guy with 3M who was familiar with with what I was
>trying to do. Gotchure problem solved, said he.
>
>3M makes a product for specifically glueing polypropylene...........and
>the 3M product number is DP-8500 and is available in several sizes, the
>smallest of which, is $20. . According to 3M, it'll glue practically
>anything to poly and will stick to anything you try to mate with
>poly. 3M doesn't sell to individuals, but they sell to WW Granger, who
>may not sell to individuals, but they have many retailers who they do sell
>to. My local tool supply and several other indusatrial supply houses are
>suppliers from WW Granger. Granger part number for 3M #DP-8500 is #4yxo4.
>
>Anyway, I ordered the 3M DP-8500 product and will report back, the results
>of a couple of my tests of glueing. Sure hope it works as well as 3M's
>glowing reports.
>
>Herb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Polypropylene adhesive |
I had one one of the brass reducers in the poly tank that would
seep fuel. Made an aluminum washer to fit the reducer and increase the
bonding area. Roughed up the areas with #40 grit paper. Installed with
West epoxy with floxed cotton. Does not leak and will not be coming
loose anytime soon.
Jay C.
----- Original Message -----
From: dwight purdy
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polypropylene adhesive
I spent a considerable amount of time trying to find this product in
the granger catalog. A link would have been nice. The part number 4yxo4
refers to DP8005 not 8500. Is there a DP8500?
Dwight
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| Subject: | Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com>
List,
I'm looking for a series of articles that ran from Feb-July 1993 in
Kitplanes magazine on the Murphy Renegade Spirit. Thought I'd check to
see if anyone on the list may be a packrat and still have these issues.
They aren't available from Kitplanes. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Packrat? Kitplanes? Now you're speaking my language.
I'll take a look this evening and let you know. Would a photocopy be OK?
The issues belong to Rick Lindstrom, not me, but we work in the same
location.
Best,
Cory
Brent E Bidus wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com>
>
>List,
>
>I'm looking for a series of articles that ran from Feb-July 1993 in
>Kitplanes magazine on the Murphy Renegade Spirit. Thought I'd check to
>see if anyone on the list may be a packrat and still have these issues.
>They aren't available from Kitplanes. Thanks,
>
>Brent Bidus
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Undercarriage - Bungee nico press |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
I just used aircraft spruce 3/8" bungie and made the loops by
wrapping about a dozen wraps of .032 safety wire around them. Works
fine and doesn't take up much room.
Deke
---- Original Message ----
From: dave@cfisher.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
>Deke, Excelent info there on the gear conmparisons.
>
>I saw you mentioned about bungees replacement. Mine have over 350
>hours on
>them now and I am going to make some new ones soon. The Crimps on
>mine are
>very thick alum.
>What have you used for a nico style fitting? I am thinking of using
>a
>piece of 4130 and making a jig to crimp it with. . Those large
>alum ones
>are thick and clumsy to feed back through the opening on bottom when
>busting
>my knuckles after the floats come off and gear goes back on. Mine
>are
>showing some wear now . I have already in stock the 3/8s cord
>which is
>MIL SPEC stuff.
>
>
>Dave
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer"
><fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>>
>>
>> With all due respect to those who have voiced their input on this
>> subject, I'd just like to add my two bits (which is all that it's
>> worth) to this. This spring gear/tube gear thread has been off and
>> on for as long as I can remember on this list and I seriously doubt
>> that there will ever be a consensus as to which is better.
>> In my opinion, having had both, it's a trade off. Currently I have
>> the spring gear, but only because it came with the kit. The spring
>> gear is significantly heavier. Mine, with all hardware, wheels,
>> tires, brake calipers was almost exactly 75lbs. I've seen people
>go
>> to great lengths to save just a few grams of weight on various
>things
>> to keep the weight down, yet add a bunch more "pounds" and $$$$ to
>> add the spring gear. I've never felt my S5 with spring gear was
>> easier to handle than my old Model II with tube gear was. Both
>> tracked straight and handled cross winds just fine. Where the big
>> difference was (other than weight) was when I'd misjudge my full
>> stall landing and drop it in from a few feet up. The tube gear
>would
>> really bounce where the spring gear tends to just soak it up
>> smoothly. That's about the only difference I've ever been able to
>> note. I have the "tall" spring gear that was produced on the early
>> S5s. The gear legs are longer and skinnier than the later models
>> were.
>> If you feel your Fox is squirrely then, in my opinion, you need to
>> focus more on your gear alignment than things like tire pressure,
>> bungies, or the type of gear you have. A little toe-in can cause a
>> good handling airplane to be a handful.
>> So, I guess one just considers priorities, dollars, weight, and the
>> experiences of others to make a decision on it. Oh, there's also
>the
>> factor of bungie replacement every couple years, but I never felt
>it
>> was a big deal. I always made my own and the install didn't take
>> very long.
>> Regards,
>> Deke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | kitfox series 7 kit for sale |
not yet ive had 4 interested partiesbut no cash yet
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Have you sold your fox.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony fiacco
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox series 7 kit for sale
this is going to be my last for sale advertisement on the list before i put
it in classifieds on trade-a-plane etc.
for sale kitfox series 7, no reasonable offer will be refused.
full kit approx 30hours of work done. all quick build kits and options
asking 20,000 i will ship or deliver upon payment.
pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
tony fiacco
massena, ny 13662
315 769-2207
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| Subject: | kitfox series 7 kit for sale |
Tony,
We called yesterday, and would like to see pictures if you have some on line
or something.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony fiacco
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: kitfox series 7 kit for sale
not yet ive had 4 interested partiesbut no cash yet
John Oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
Tony,
Have you sold your fox.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony fiacco
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox series 7 kit for sale
this is going to be my last for sale advertisement on the list before i put
it in classifieds on trade-a-plane etc.
for sale kitfox series 7, no reasonable offer will be refused.
full kit approx 30hours of work done. all quick build kits and options
asking 20,000 i will ship or deliver upon payment.
pictures, manifest, and price list available upon request.
tony fiacco
massena, ny 13662
315 769-2207
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Cory Emberson. I recognize that name!
Thanks for the article on headsets in recent issue.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Emberson
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Packrat? Kitplanes? Now you're speaking my language.
I'll take a look this evening and let you know. Would a photocopy be OK?
The issues belong to Rick Lindstrom, not me, but we work in the same
location.
Best,
Cory
Brent E Bidus wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com>
>
>List,
>
>I'm looking for a series of articles that ran from Feb-July 1993 in
>Kitplanes magazine on the Murphy Renegade Spirit. Thought I'd check to
>see if anyone on the list may be a packrat and still have these issues.
>They aren't available from Kitplanes. Thanks,
>
>Brent Bidus
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes |
Hi Randy!
Thanks so much - I appreciate it! I hope they've been informative, and
many even fun. One more to come - the in-the-ear headsets in a couple of
issues.
Did you happen to catch the Used Kitfox article? I couldn't have done it
without John McBean very generously sharing his knowledge, which took
quite a bit of time. (Thanks again, John!) And it was delightful to meet
him and Debra at OSH. Also, thanks to the many Kitfxers on this list who
answered my many questions, too!
best,
Cory
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>Cory Emberson. I recognize that name!
>
>Thanks for the article on headsets in recent issue.
>
>Randy
>
>.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Emberson
>Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:36 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off Topic Old issues of Kitplanes
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
>
>Packrat? Kitplanes? Now you're speaking my language.
>
>I'll take a look this evening and let you know. Would a photocopy be OK?
>The issues belong to Rick Lindstrom, not me, but we work in the same
>location.
>
>Best,
>Cory
>
>Brent E Bidus wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com>
>>
>>List,
>>
>>I'm looking for a series of articles that ran from Feb-July 1993 in
>>Kitplanes magazine on the Murphy Renegade Spirit. Thought I'd check to
>>see if anyone on the list may be a packrat and still have these issues.
>>They aren't available from Kitplanes. Thanks,
>>
>>Brent Bidus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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