Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Thu 09/28/06


Total Messages Posted: 30



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:08 AM - Re: Student InsuranceStudent Insurance (Bernhard10)
     2. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox5 needs cabin heat (Fox5flyer)
     3. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox5 needs cabin heat (Bob Unternaehrer)
     4. 05:17 AM - Re: mod 2 for sale (cirrus10)
     5. 05:36 AM - Re: mod 2 for sale (cirrus10)
     6. 06:01 AM - Re: Student InsuranceStudent InsuranceStudent InsuranceStudent Insurance (David C. Watterson)
     7. 06:07 AM - Re: synthetic oils (Mark Thompson)
     8. 06:12 AM - Graphics body wrap! (David C. Watterson)
     9. 06:36 AM - Thanks to Listers (HMDOUD)
    10. 06:44 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Michel Verheughe)
    11. 06:57 AM - Fw: 2 stroke carb sockets: (HMDOUD)
    12. 06:59 AM - Re: Thanks to Listers (Michel Verheughe)
    13. 07:51 AM - Re: Narco transsponder (Lynn Matteson)
    14. 07:52 AM - Re: Narco transsponder (kirk hull)
    15. 08:03 AM - Re: master cylinder (Eric)
    16. 01:41 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (flier)
    17. 02:54 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Dave and Diane)
    18. 03:26 PM - Interior Kitfox IV-1200 (Howard)
    19. 04:02 PM - Re:Gas lift struts (willett)
    20. 04:42 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Lowell Fitt)
    21. 04:57 PM - Matco Brakes (Rex Shaw)
    22. 05:23 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Dan Billingsley)
    23. 05:52 PM - Re: Fw: 2 stroke carb sockets: (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
    24. 05:58 PM - Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press  (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
    25. 06:29 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Jimmie Blackwell)
    26. 06:30 PM - Re: Matco Brakes (Glenn Horne)
    27. 06:59 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Guy Buchanan)
    28. 06:59 PM - Re: Interior Kitfox IV-1200 (Guy Buchanan)
    29. 07:41 PM - Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press  (john perry)
    30. 11:27 PM - Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight (debrun26@juno.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:08:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Student InsuranceStudent Insurance
    From: "Bernhard10" <tiloxy@gmail.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bernhard10" <tiloxy@gmail.com> I am trying to get one too with EAA, they told me it's very difficult and my instyructor MUST have a lot of tailwheel hours logged. Lucky mine has 1200 hours. I don't know the outcome yet if they accept me or how much it is going to be if they insure me and my IV-1200. How much did they charge you ?? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64445#64445


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    Time: 04:18:21 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox5 needs cabin heat
    Layne, Earls Performance Parts sells a nice oil cooler with -8 AN male fittings that works nicely. Just add a couple fans to it. If you have the NSI engine then the radiator manifold has two (in/out) ports that are inside the cockpit down by the copilot rudder pedals. Just pull the plugs and add AN fittings, good quality hose, and warm up. I placed mine under the panel with separate fan switches so I could warm up either or both footwells. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: debrun26@juno.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:17 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox5 needs cabin heat I just bought a KF-5 from Calif that has no cabin heat. The problem~~~ I'm in Alaska~~ Burr!!! Does anyone have plans to get cabin heat quick and cheep? The KF has an EA81 100hp subaru engine. Please help!!! Thanks, Layne ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 04:48:30 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox5 needs cabin heat
    I think I still have a heater coil and fan combination that was removed off a 912. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: debrun26@juno.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox5 needs cabin heat I just bought a KF-5 from Calif that has no cabin heat. The problem~~~ I'm in Alaska~~ Burr!!! Does anyone have plans to get cabin heat quick and cheep? The KF has an EA81 100hp subaru engine. Please help!!! Thanks, Layne ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 05:17:59 AM PST US
    From: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
    Subject: Re: mod 2 for sale
    Don't know if you got my previous email, but I forgot to include the encoder mount. You should get it in 2-3 days. Regards, Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: mod 2 for sale KITFOX KIT =A2 $15,000 =A2 FOR SALE =A2 Kitfox Kit 95% complete 582 Rotax, all new call for details. Will deliver most anywhere in US. =A2 Contact Dan Brandmahl - located Aylett, VA USA =A2 Telephone: 804-769-2756 =A2 Posted August 23, 2006 =A2 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend =A2 Send a Message


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    Time: 05:36:58 AM PST US
    From: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
    Subject: Re: mod 2 for sale
    Disregard ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: mod 2 for sale KITFOX KIT =A2 $15,000 =A2 FOR SALE =A2 Kitfox Kit 95% complete 582 Rotax, all new call for details. Will deliver most anywhere in US. =A2 Contact Dan Brandmahl - located Aylett, VA USA =A2 Telephone: 804-769-2756 =A2 Posted August 23, 2006 =A2 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend =A2 Send a Message


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    Time: 06:01:28 AM PST US
    From: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com>
    Subject: Re: Student InsuranceStudent InsuranceStudent InsuranceStudent
    Insurance --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com> Yes, my Fox is a series 5 taildragger. I have a student license and no taildragger experience. My instructor has over 1000 hours taildragger time and was required to get 3 hours Kitfox solo time before I could fly. Falcon insurance is the only company I could find to write me.


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    Time: 06:07:19 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
    Subject: synthetic oils
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net> Hi Ron,I believe my prop is a 60x32 but I will double check this for you today and reconfirm.I am using a Prince P Tip prop and have had good performance however I would like to get my rpm up higher and therefore wish I had of gone with a 30 pitch instead of 32.I am running direct drive off the crank and have good climb and good cruise,.....climb:..100lb over gross and getting 650 ft per min,cruise:..95-100 mph.I hope this helps,I will email you back after I double check my prop size.. See ya Mark N61AC > [Original Message] > From: ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Date: 9/28/2006 1:17:45 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: synthetic oils > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> > > Mark what size and pitch prop do you have? Ron NB Ore > > > >From: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net> > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Kitfox-List: synthetic oils > >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:58:48 -0400 > > > >Thanks to you guys who asnwered my synthetic oil questions,I have found > >that using fully synthetic oil in my VW and using 100LL is not a good > >mix,my oil temp went from 180 to 250 and oil pressure went from 60 to 20, > >this is due to the lead in the fuel according to tech support so you guys > >were right on with your opinions,anyway back to using standard oil and all > >temps and pressures are back in the norm. > >Note: an old A.P. likes using a qrt of marvel mystery oil at every oil > >change to acheive the same thing synthetics does,so I have tried this and > >flown off 2 more hrs and all is well.... > > > > > >Mark Thompson > >kr2@earthlink.net > >EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip > >


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    Time: 06:12:51 AM PST US
    From: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com>
    Subject: Graphics body wrap!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com> I am considering having a custom graphics designed and installed on my Kitfox. The industry calls this a body wrap. Many vehicles can be seen with complete body wraps. It doesn't hurt the paint on an automobile and can be replaced as needed or removed. Can anyone think of a reason I should not do this or anyway this could possibly damage my plane or affect it's performance.


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    Time: 06:36:39 AM PST US
    From: "HMDOUD" <hdoud@satx.rr.com>
    Subject: Thanks to Listers
    I have had overwhelming response to my 3 (current) problems and many thanks to all. 1. To what I might do with the ruined 1 gallon milk jug with the side torn out and the scratched and bent piece of aluminum.......... Stuff it where? 2. To how I might separate fingers stuck together with Super Glue......... Acetone didn't work. Threw up right after I drank it. and ......Put my finger where? 3. To the problem of getting oil into the injector pump, the first time after installation. Best solution was to hook a drill onto the pump shaft and watch for oil coming outta the injector tubes in the intake manifold.............Great idea!.........How do I get the drill into the crankcase? All in all, everything is finally coming together in all my latest Kitfox projects, using the Listers advice and solutions to serious problems. And from the tone of my emails........You all must know, that I'm a really serious guy. Regards...........Herb


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    Time: 06:44:30 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: RE: Graphics body wrap!
    > From: David C. Watterson [dcw@dddirectories.com] > Can anyone think of a reason I should not do > this or anyway this could possibly damage my plane or affect it's > performance. I can't think of any, David. We already use a few decalcs like the callsign, etc. I even have a tiny Norwegian flag on my tail. They are, usually, very easy to remove with a heat gun. But, please, send us a photo when it is finished. We like to see nice and creative body work. Cheers, Michel <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 06:57:28 AM PST US
    From: "HMDOUD" <hdoud@satx.rr.com>
    Subject: Fw: 2 stroke carb sockets:


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    Time: 06:59:14 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: RE: Thanks to Listers
    > From: HMDOUD [hdoud@satx.rr.com] > ...You all must know, that I'm a really serious guy. Exactly my type of seriousness, Herb. I broke my jaw laughting out loud at your email and now, I'll need some of your glue to fix my jaw. Cheers, Michel do not archive <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 07:51:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Narco transsponder
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> I have the AT50A, and I got it VFR certified by Beacon Aviation in Mason, Michigan...(they found two wires that were reversed in the encoder during the cert)...so I know they have the diagrams. You could call them at (517)244-6000...ask for Chuck. Lynn On Wednesday, September 27, 2006, at 10:49 PM, kirk hull wrote: > I have just acquired a Narco AT50A and AR-500 with no wiring harness. > I do have all of the connectors but the wires have been cut. When I > downloaded the wiring diagrams from Narco they were not very clear. > Is anybody familiar with this combo that can translate the diagram > into English. > >


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    Time: 07:52:15 AM PST US
    From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: Narco transsponder
    thanks _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Narco transsponder I might be able to help. I just bought a used AT50A and it had docs with it. I'll check tomorrow to see if it has a wiring diagram. Clem Wehner Lawton OK KFIV_912 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kirk hull Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Narco transsponder I have just acquired a Narco AT50A and AR-500 with no wiring harness. I do have all of the connectors but the wires have been cut. When I downloaded the wiring diagrams from Narco they were not very clear. Is anybody familiar with this combo that can translate the diagram into English.


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    Time: 08:03:15 AM PST US
    From: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: master cylinder
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Dave. I talked to Matco and it turned out that both my cylinders were MC-5 and not MC-5A as should have been (1/2" too long). I ordered shorter rods and rebuild kits and am back in business. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: master cylinder --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> Eric, Just an idea, and I don't know it it is applicable to your situation or not. Here is what I ran into on the master cylinders. I purchased a dual brake system from Sky&#$^. After Sky&#$^ dissappeared, I found that I had two different cylinder models; two Matco MC-4A cylinders, which were the correct length, and two Matco MC-4 master cylinders which were too long for the application. The bodys of both the MC-4A and MC-4 were identical, the difference was in the lenght of the piston rod and some internal parts. The MC-4 piston rods were about 1/2" longer and resulted in exactly the same geometry problem with the rudder pedals which you described. I realize that you said the cylinder length was not a problem, but there is some adjustment on the screw end of the piston rod which might make it possible to get the adjustment (eye to eye) close for the two models of cylinders yet still cause problems with the geometry. I can't say you have the same problem, but you might want to check to be sure both sets of cylinders are the correct model number for the kit. At any rate, Matco helped me out by exchanging the cylinders for a very reasonable rate and providing the tech data to figure the problem out. The individual I dealt with was: George R. Happ MATCO mfg 801-486-7574 801-486-7581 (F) www.matcomfg.com If the installation is still a problem, I would sincerely suggest contacting George. They know their products and also know how to treat people right. (No-they did not pay me to say that-its experience with them speaking) If you are stuck - I believe that MATCO will be able to help you figure the problem out. Sincerely, Dave S St Paul, MN Kitfox 7(training wheel on the front) On Thursday 07 September 2006 6:00 pm, Eric wrote: > Hi folks, > I have just installed the main gear and hooked up bled the brakes. Piston > in the left master cylinder has about 1/2" of free travel before brake > pressure is applied. Right side is very tight, it has less then 1/8" free > travel before pressure is applied. Because there is virtually no free > travel I cant push the rudder pedal all the way forward before the brake > applies and the pressurized cylinder stops forward travel of the pedal. It > is not rod adjustment . I disconnected the cylinder from the pedal and it > is still tight. Also, disassembled the master cylinder-looks ok inside. > Any > ideas? > Eric


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    Time: 01:41:01 PM PST US
    From: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Graphics body wrap!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net> Flutter. No way I would do it on the wings or tail without testing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David C. Watterson Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com> I am considering having a custom graphics designed and installed on my Kitfox. The industry calls this a body wrap. Many vehicles can be seen with complete body wraps. It doesn't hurt the paint on an automobile and can be replaced as needed or removed. Can anyone think of a reason I should not do this or anyway this could possibly damage my plane or affect it's performance.


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    Time: 02:54:07 PM PST US
    From: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Graphics body wrap!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> David, I can't claim to have any experience with this on airplanes, (I will say I am a car nut and there is some transfer of technology from cars to planes) but my advice is to rephrase the question: Rather than thinking of any reason not to do it, think about if there is any real compelling reason to do it. I know we are experimental types, but this is a pretty big experiment. My concerns would start with the potential for the stuff delaminating, then getting tangled up in something important, which is just about anything on an airplane (static port, lift struts, tailfeathers, etc) I hate to think about the stuff bridging the horizontal stabilizer and stabilizer strut. One of the big differences between cars and airplanes is that very few things attached to the skin of a car affect the ability to operate - quite different with an airplane. There might be a difference between a few sticker decals for an N number and a really big sheet of material. If I were doing extensive graphics, I would personally choose to use paints to get the job done. Just a thought - As I said, I don't really know much about this material, but I would really, really want to know I could avoid killing myself before trying something like this. Sincerely, Dave S St Paul, MN M-7 Trigear Do Not Archive On Thursday 28 September 2006 8:12 am, David C. Watterson wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" > <dcw@dddirectories.com> > > I am considering having a custom graphics designed and installed on my > Kitfox. The industry calls this a body wrap. M


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    Time: 03:26:07 PM PST US
    From: "Howard" <rv73hl@comcast.net>
    Subject: Interior Kitfox IV-1200
    Would anyone have some photos of the interior of subject aircraft, showing routing of lines, wires, etc in the rear of the cabin. Would appreciate any help on this. Thanks. Howard Ligon


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    Time: 04:02:49 PM PST US
    From: willett <willett@bwn.net>
    Subject: re:Gas lift struts
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: willett <willett@bwn.net> try this site, I have never dealt with them but heard they were good.http://www.lstechnologies.ca/ Mike (x fox)


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    Time: 04:42:59 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Graphics body wrap!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Hi, David. I have a stripe down the fuselage side of my IV done with vinyl. I know there are several grades, but suspect what you are looking at is of the better type. Regarding delamination. I doubt it would be a problem as far as a catastrophic failure is concerned. What you might find is a subtle peeling back at the leading edge. I just checked mine and there is no evidence of any separation and it has been on the airplane for eight years and 800 hours and the leading edge of the tape is unprotected, i.e. begins on the flat surface of the door. Incidentally, with my video camera set-up I have used 3M vinyl tape quite a bit to hold on some fairings between the camera and the fuselage on the lift strut and have had no peeling at the leading edge so far. I do replace it from time to time, though. As a side note, when California tightened up its VOC requirements, United Airlines at their San Francisco maintainance facility expermented with what they called decals as a substitute for the paint after their paint facility was shut down. The "decals" were actually laser cut vinyl adhesive sheets. I don't know the result of that experiment, but they didn't seem to be initially concerned at close to 600 mph. My guess is that rather than concern over control problems, they would be concerned about cosmetics and cost. In other words, if they came off - serious negative image issues and replacing them frequently = money wasted. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:12 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap! > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" > <dcw@dddirectories.com> > > I am considering having a custom graphics designed and installed on my > Kitfox. The industry calls this a body wrap. Many vehicles can be seen > with > complete body wraps. It doesn't hurt the paint on an automobile and can be > replaced as needed or removed. Can anyone think of a reason I should not > do > this or anyway this could possibly damage my plane or affect it's > performance. > > >


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    Time: 04:57:08 PM PST US
    From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Matco Brakes
    Hi ! Guys, my MKIV has MC-1 Matco Mfg master cylinders like I suspect most Kitfox's do. My cylinders also have dust boots but Matco can't supply these and in fact tell me they were not supplied for the last twelve months of production. I think this is very poor as the cylinder is right in front of the sole of your shoe just wating for dirt to drop onto the reservoir top plate and work it's way down the shaft as their is no seal at this point, See Master Cylinder diagram on Matco Mfg website. www.matcomfg.com go to Technical Support then Master Cylinder etc etc. In the middle of the page about half way down you can see a diagram of the MC-1 master cylinder. Click on this to enlarge and you'll see the MC-12300 dust boot. You can get rebuild kits but no boot is included or available from Matco. My dust boots have got very sticky either with age or perhaps due to using Mil-5606 fluid. I am not sure which but I know they use Buna-N "O" rings to live with this fluid so perhaps the boots were not Buna-N. Anyway due the boots being sticky I have eventually poked a hole in both of them trying to get them pushed out straight again after checking the fluid. So I need new boots. I suspect I'm not the only one and it appears some don't even have any boots at all. Well what I have done is approach Don James at JBM Industries. They are the guys that make those replacement carby sockets for the Rotax motors that don't crack like the originals. Anyway JBM don't make these boots at this time but it looks like they may well do if they can when I send them a sample. I'll let you know if this happens as I suspect it will. Then if any of you just want boots in the first place or to replace sticky or damaged ones you will then know you can do that. Rex Australia.


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    Time: 05:23:54 PM PST US
    From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
    Subject: Re: Graphics body wrap!
    David, I talked to a guy that does the body wraping and specifically asked him if he thought it would work (stay put) on a fabric airplane. He had never done it, but his indications were iffy. My little voice told me it may not be a good idea. Dave S. gave some good things to consider. Dan B. 314DW / building Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane David, I can't claim to have any experience with this on airplanes, (I will say I am a car nut and there is some transfer of technology from cars to planes) but my advice is to rephrase the question: Rather than thinking of any reason not to do it, think about if there is any real compelling reason to do it. I know we are experimental types, but this is a pretty big experiment. My concerns would start with the potential for the stuff delaminating, then getting tangled up in something important, which is just about anything on an airplane (static port, lift struts, tailfeathers, etc) I hate to think about the stuff bridging the horizontal stabilizer and stabilizer strut. One of the big differences between cars and airplanes is that very few things attached to the skin of a car affect the ability to operate - quite different with an airplane. There might be a difference between a few sticker decals for an N number and a really big sheet of material. If I were doing extensive graphics, I would personally choose to use paints to get the job done. Just a thought - As I said, I don't really know much about this material, but I would really, really want to know I could avoid killing myself before trying something like this. Sincerely, Dave S St Paul, MN M-7 Trigear Do Not Archive On Thursday 28 September 2006 8:12 am, David C. Watterson wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" > > > I am considering having a custom graphics designed and installed on my > Kitfox. The industry calls this a body wrap. M


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    Time: 05:52:02 PM PST US
    From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fw: 2 stroke carb sockets:
    I realy need a set of 582 carb sockets . mal


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    Time: 05:58:42 PM PST US
    From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press
    I need a set of bunges for my model 2 can someone send me the proper stuf?. how much??malcolm


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    Time: 06:29:46 PM PST US
    From: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Graphics body wrap!
    A friend of mine has it on the fuselage of his Model IV with about 600 hours. No problems. Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, David. I have a stripe down the fuselage side of my IV done with vinyl. I know there are several grades, but suspect what you are looking at is of the better type. Regarding delamination. I doubt it would be a problem as far as a catastrophic failure is concerned. What you might find is a subtle peeling back at the leading edge. I just checked mine and there is no evidence of any separation and it has been on the airplane for eight years and 800 hours and the leading edge of the tape is unprotected, i.e. begins on the flat surface of the door. Incidentally, with my video camera set-up I have used 3M vinyl tape quite a bit to hold on some fairings between the camera and the fuselage on the lift strut and have had no peeling at the leading edge so far. I do replace it from time to time, though. As a side note, when California tightened up its VOC requirements, United Airlines at their San Francisco maintainance facility expermented with what they called decals as a substitute for the paint after their paint facility was shut down. The "decals" were actually laser cut vinyl adhesive sheets. I don't know the result of that experiment, but they didn't seem to be initially concerned at close to 600 mph. My guess is that rather than concern over control problems, they would be concerned about cosmetics and cost. In other words, if they came off - serious negative image issues and replacing them frequently = money wasted. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Watterson" Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:12 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap! > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David C. Watterson" > > > I am considering having a custom graphics designed and installed on my > Kitfox. The industry calls this a body wrap. Many vehicles can be seen > with > complete body wraps. It doesn't hurt the paint on an automobile and can be > replaced as needed or removed. Can anyone think of a reason I should not > do > this or anyway this could possibly damage my plane or affect it's > performance. > > >


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    Time: 06:30:58 PM PST US
    From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Matco Brakes
    I would like to have a set for my cylinders. Glenn Horne Model II 582 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Shaw To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Matco Brakes Hi ! Guys, my MKIV has MC-1 Matco Mfg master cylinders like I suspect most Kitfox's do. My cylinders also have dust boots but Matco can't supply these and in fact tell me they were not supplied for the last twelve months of production. I think this is very poor as the cylinder is right in front of the sole of your shoe just wating for dirt to drop onto the reservoir top plate and work it's way down the shaft as their is no seal at this point, See Master Cylinder diagram on Matco Mfg website. www.matcomfg.com go to Technical Support then Master Cylinder etc etc. In the middle of the page about half way down you can see a diagram of the MC-1 master cylinder. Click on this to enlarge and you'll see the MC-12300 dust boot. You can get rebuild kits but no boot is included or available from Matco. My dust boots have got very sticky either with age or perhaps due to using Mil-5606 fluid. I am not sure which but I know they use Buna-N "O" rings to live with this fluid so perhaps the boots were not Buna-N. Anyway due the boots being sticky I have eventually poked a hole in both of them trying to get them pushed out straight again after checking the fluid. So I need new boots. I suspect I'm not the only one and it appears some don't even have any boots at all. Well what I have done is approach Don James at JBM Industries. They are the guys that make those replacement carby sockets for the Rotax motors that don't crack like the originals. Anyway JBM don't make these boots at this time but it looks like they may well do if they can when I send them a sample. I'll let you know if this happens as I suspect it will. Then if any of you just want boots in the first place or to replace sticky or damaged ones you will then know you can do that. Rex Australia.


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    Time: 06:59:48 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Graphics body wrap!
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> At 05:22 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote: >I talked to a guy that does the body wraping and specifically asked him if >he thought it would work (stay put) on a fabric airplane. He had never >done it, but his indications were iffy. My little voice told me it may not >be a good idea. Dave S. gave some good things to consider. >Dan B. My EAA Flight Advisor just finished an RV-7 with fairly extensive graphics applied via vinyl adhesives. I doubt you'll have any problem with it on a Kitfox, but you'll want to do the usual testing before-hand with pieces in various places that might be a problem. Watch the weight, be careful of heat, and be careful of flutter. (Since our only balanced surfaces are the ailerons you'll want to re-balance after installation. All other control surfaces should be fine.) I certainly hope you have something outrageous in mind. I'm looking forward to it. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 06:59:48 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Interior Kitfox IV-1200
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> At 03:24 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote: >Would anyone have some photos of the interior of subject aircraft, showing >routing of lines, wires, etc in the rear of the cabin. > >Would appreciate any help on this. The only thing I have going beyond the baggage area is my static port. The static line simply routes along the tubes. Unfortunately, it was installed without a loop to keep water out. Oh well. The only thing I'd recommend is to install a very lightweight conduit to an accessible area in the tail, so that when you want to run something else it will be constrained. Unless I can find some miniature people to work inside my tail cone anything I route there will be loose. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 07:41:35 PM PST US
    From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
    Subject: Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press
    Call Kitfox John or Debra they have them . John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press I need a set of bunges for my model 2 can someone send me the proper stuf?. how much??malcolm


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    Subject: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight
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