Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:39 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Paul Seehafer)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press (Fox5flyer)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: More Flight Test Questions (Guy Buchanan)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Guy Buchanan)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: More Flight Test Questions (Dave)
6. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press (Jerry Liles)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight (A Smith)
8. 08:57 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (kurt schrader)
9. 09:18 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Michel Verheughe)
10. 09:56 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Dave G.)
11. 10:42 AM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Rex)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: Gnomes (Ted Palamarek)
13. 11:45 AM - [Off-topic] Mister-good-guy WAS: Graphics body wrap! (Michel Verheughe)
14. 02:02 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight (John Anderson)
15. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Gnomes (Michel Verheughe)
16. 04:18 PM - Re: Graphics body wrap! (Noel Loveys)
17. 05:05 PM - Off topic Beothuck People (Noel Loveys)
18. 06:45 PM - Re: [Off-topic] Mister-good-guy WAS: Graphics body wrap! (Nelson Goguen)
19. 07:08 PM - Re: Off topic Beothuck People (john perry)
20. 09:38 PM - Re: Priming the oil injection pump (kurt schrader)
21. 11:26 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight (Jim Crowder)
22. 11:51 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Graphics body wrap! |
Hi Noel,
Didn't you know a good looking, exotic looking seaplane will attract good
looking, exotic looking women? <smirk>
Does my Kitfox get the same amount of attention? Hmmmmmmm........
Honestly, no. But women in general sure do think it is "cute". I'm not so
sure I like that whole cute thing, but anything is better than nothing.
Here's a picture of my "cute" Model IV at our annual Eagle River Seaplane
Fly In during the poker run (we fly 6-8 lakes) we had 3 weeks ago.
Incidently, my little Kitfox IV had no trouble whatsoever keeping up with
Husky Amphibs in the group. The Kitfox makes for one nice seaplane!
Oh yeah, that is my buddies Highlander in the foreground. If anyone is
interested that airplane is up for sale. (68K on floats, and 58K on
wheels). It was a Sun-N-Fun Grand Champion, plus Oshkosh Seaplane award
winner. Very nice airplane.
Paul
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hey Paul!
>
> How come you didn't say your Lake came with hot running women??? Now the
> important question does your 'Fox get the same attention???
>
> Now I'm convinced I'm doing something wrong!
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Coat hangar wire? You must have bought the BIG one. Mine is good for
safety wire, but that's about it.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "mic thiessen" <wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mic thiessen"
<wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
>
> I bought one at Arlington last year and use it every where possible. It
will
> replace any hose clamp as long as you use the stailless steel wire...it
> won't rust...have used it around the farm and used coat hanger wire for
some
> big applications...never had a failure yet
>
> mic
>
>
> >From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press
> >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:21:55 -0400
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> >
> >I bought one of those on ebay recently. I got the cheapest one at about
> >$20
> >including shipping. Retail it goes from $25-30 plus ship. Works pretty
> >well, but takes a bit of practice. An old lady at Oshkosh demoed it for
> >me.
> >She made it look like child's play, but then again she probably invented
> >the
> >thing.
> >Definitely worth taking up some space in your tool drawer.
> >Deke
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jakelewis" <jakelewis22@yahoo.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:20 PM
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jakelewis" <jakelewis22@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > A few post back someone suggested using safety wire to tie the bungee
> >cords. Here is a web link for a cool tool for making a very clean clamp
> >out
> >of safety wire www.clamptitetools.com Have a look
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
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> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64698#64698
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| Subject: | Re: More Flight Test Questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 08:42 PM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
>Those number seem a bit long , what is your empty weight ?
About 621lb. Hmmmm, maybe I'd better check those scales, though I can't
imagine them making that much difference.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:21 PM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
>Just for the Halibut, I'm including a small pic of my graphic and one of
>it on the plane.
>
Noel,
You're going to have to explain that one. "Beothuck"?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: More Flight Test Questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Guy,
My IV weighs about 700 lbs on amphibs and on my Grass runway solo at 950
asl at 70F it is flying in 400 feet or less with zero wind.
Your at 621 lbs in my opinion should be airbourne definately under 300
feet solo.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: More Flight Test Questions
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 08:42 PM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
>>Those number seem a bit long , what is your empty weight ?
>
> About 621lb. Hmmmm, maybe I'd better check those scales, though I can't
> imagine them making that much difference.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Undercarriage - Bungee nico press |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Very cool tool. I'll have to get one.
Another way to make the bungee loops is with whipping cord. I used
nylon cord, made a loop of bungee around a bolt held in a vice and had
my son pull on the loop to streatch it about 10%. I then made a series
of turns of the cord around the bungee with a half hitch at each turn
for about 1.5" and finished off with a knot and covered the whipping
with rubber cement. Trim the extra length of bungee with a sharp knife
or razor blade leaving about .5" beyond the whipping and coat the
exposed end with rubber cement. Works well and requires no special
tools and looks good.
Jerry Liles
jakelewis wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jakelewis" <jakelewis22@yahoo.com>
>
>A few post back someone suggested using safety wire to tie the bungee cords. Here is a web link for a cool tool for making a very clean clamp out of safety wire www.clamptitetools.com Have a look
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight |
There is a kit manufacture date you can check. I recieved mine in 96 and
it is a 1400 lb. not to long after that they switched to the 1500 lb.
When I talked to Skystar about the upgrade they told me it was a spar
carry through tube and area that was the major change. It was thicker
and there was no way to up the gross on it. I did not chase any details
after that. The only thing for sure is the kit manufacture date for the
1400 to 1500. Not much help. Good luck
Albert
5TD-NSI-T
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| Subject: | Re: Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Didn't the older SS demo aircraft with the "wild paint
jobs" actually use wraps?
I wrapped my lift strut fairings this way rather than
painting, but I wrapped completely around with no
edges to the front, except for some patches at the
joints, etc. Works well past 150 mph. Don't ask how
I know that though. :-(
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Sep 30, 2006, at 3:57 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> Michel, maybe you could apply Santa's helper...
No, no, it's not Santa, Guy! It's a "skipsnisse" or "ship gnome."
Those used to be common on Scandinavian ships of the past. The gnomes
stay mostly in the bildges during daytime, only to come out and climb
in the rig at night. If you are lucky, you may see one of them on the
mast, at night and in the lightning of a thunderstorm.
Since the gnomes, as their land-based cousins, live with their entire
family on board, they are very careful and are known to have safe many
a ship from disaster by warning of the imminent danger. For that
reason, they were respected by seafarers and it was good luck to have
them aboard.
Unfortunately, with the advance of the marine engine and the increasing
speed boats are doing, gnomes are very seldom seen on ships nowadays.
They fear for the lack of seamanship seen especially in the yachting
circles. It is therefore my mission to incite yachtsmen to be careful,
show respect for the sea and get gnomes on board. The idea is a
campaign for safety at sea and e.g. selling t-shirts with : "I have a
ship gnome on board, do you?" I started that, with a friend, a few
years ago. But we have both so much to do that the project hasn't
started yet.
Gnomes are popular in Scandinavia and in The Netherlands. But the
seafaring gnome is our idea. Incidentally, the American Santa Claus is
a mixture of the Scandinavian Christmas gnome and the Dutch Sinterklaas
or St. Nicholas. We call him "julenisse" and you have "jule" in the
Norwegian-American "Yuletide" (Christmastime).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap!
>> No, no, it's not Santa, Guy! It's a "skipsnisse" or "ship gnome."
> Those used to be common on Scandinavian ships of the past. The gnomes stay
> mostly in the bildges during daytime, only to come out and climb
Perhaps an avian gnome of some sort to encourage safe airmanship is in
order, I have a kit fox on my dash, but a gnome would be ok.
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| Subject: | Re: Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Hmmm.. I suspect a test sample afixed to a certain Boeing gear strut. =-O
Rex
Colorado
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Didn't the older SS demo aircraft with the "wild paint
>jobs" actually use wraps?
>
>I wrapped my lift strut fairings this way rather than
>painting, but I wrapped completely around with no
>edges to the front, except for some patches at the
>joints, etc. Works well past 150 mph. Don't ask how
>I know that though. :-(
>
>Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Michel
Maybe we could request a Foxgnome from the authority that makes gnomes
available. For us in the north it could be an Arcticfoxgnome, for the people
in the south it could be a Redfoxgnome, or as in the case of the Canadian
and American prairie area it could be the Kitfoxgnome and so on. In this
case everyone could have one some where in the fuselage and fly safely with
it. At night they could become pilot in command and take the Fox anywhere
they wanted, making sure they are back home by morning. I certainly think
this would probably make the Kitfox one of the safest planes on earth.
Thanks for your interesting thoughts, -----Still smiling-----
Ted Palamarek
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: September 30, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Sep 30, 2006, at 3:57 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> Michel, maybe you could apply Santa's helper...
No, no, it's not Santa, Guy! It's a "skipsnisse" or "ship gnome."
Those used to be common on Scandinavian ships of the past. The gnomes
stay mostly in the bildges during daytime, only to come out and climb
in the rig at night. If you are lucky, you may see one of them on the
mast, at night and in the lightning of a thunderstorm.
Since the gnomes, as their land-based cousins, live with their entire
family on board, they are very careful and are known to have safe many
a ship from disaster by warning of the imminent danger. For that
reason, they were respected by seafarers and it was good luck to have
them aboard.
Unfortunately, with the advance of the marine engine and the increasing
speed boats are doing, gnomes are very seldom seen on ships nowadays.
They fear for the lack of seamanship seen especially in the yachting
circles. It is therefore my mission to incite yachtsmen to be careful,
show respect for the sea and get gnomes on board. The idea is a
campaign for safety at sea and e.g. selling t-shirts with : "I have a
ship gnome on board, do you?" I started that, with a friend, a few
years ago. But we have both so much to do that the project hasn't
started yet.
Gnomes are popular in Scandinavia and in The Netherlands. But the
seafaring gnome is our idea. Incidentally, the American Santa Claus is
a mixture of the Scandinavian Christmas gnome and the Dutch Sinterklaas
or St. Nicholas. We call him "julenisse" and you have "jule" in the
Norwegian-American "Yuletide" (Christmastime).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Mister-good-guy WAS: Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Sep 30, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Dave G. wrote:
> Perhaps an avian gnome of some sort to encourage safe airmanship is in
> order, I have a kit fox on my dash, but a gnome would be ok.
The idea had crossed my mind too, Dave. Our plan was to get yachting
publications interested. We got so far with a couple of them. Then, to
have them to print articles about fictive scientists discussing old
documents relating the story of those fictive beings. We got so far as
to make a false helmsman's logbook 120 years old. The idea is to play
with the mind of the reader. The story must be as real as possible, yet
it must be understood a a prank or just something funny. Then the next
step is to contact national authorities, insurance companies, and
everyone who see a point in focusing on safety. Then arrive the
spin-offs, t-shirts, mugs, anything that spins the idea further.
At the end, you have a t-shirt or anything else that identify you with
the symbol, and you dare not drink and drive careless while carrying
the flag of good seamanship.
And now we come to one of my deep concerns: Our society punishes the
bad guy without thinking about rewarding the good one. If you are
mister-nice-guy and do everything to abide by the law, pay your taxes
and honour your debts, you are still looked upon as a potential
terrorist when you go through a security gate at an airport. Nice
people should be able to identify themselves, if they wish so, and get
rewarded for it.
Likewise, the Islamic problem will only be solved when Muslims will
find a way to identify themselves as the large majority of them who are
peace-loving and tolerant. But as long as they all rally under a same
flag, we can't separate the wheat from the chaff, and we let terrorists
believe they have the entire Muslim world behind them, which they do
certainly not.
... sorry for this long philosophical rambling, I felt I needed to say
it.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
My kit left the factory Nov 96 and is 1550 MAUW. My lit said spar
carry-through tube upgrade and spar wall thickness as I remember.
From: "A Smith" <kitfox@ida.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight
There is a kit manufacture date you can check. I recieved mine in 96 and it
is a 1400 lb. not to long after that they switched to the 1500 lb. When I
talked to Skystar about the upgrade they told me it was a spar carry through
tube and area that was the major change. It was thicker and there was no way
to up the gross on it. I did not chase any details after that. The only
thing for sure is the kit manufacture date for the 1400 to 1500. Not much
help. Good luck
Albert
5TD-NSI-T
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Sep 30, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Ted Palamarek wrote:
> Maybe we could request a Foxgnome from the authority
Excellent, Ted! It nice to make our aircraft special by giving them
special meanings. Mind you, the American Kitfox, the symbol our
aircraft, is already a cute animal, a sweet mascot.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
The guy who is doing my float endorsement still wants to see me do four or
five take offs and landings in my fox.
In Canada you do a float endorsement and within twelve months you have to do
a checkout ride with a Transport Canada authorized examiner. The next
problem I'll have next year is getting a check out ride... With my weight
and the examiner, fuel will be ...let's just say scarce!! My 'Fox (Mod
III-A) grosses out at 950 Lb. I've come close to that weight with extra
fuel in the floats but so far I haven't carried any passenger.
If we get any ice this year I may put it on skis and give it a try that way.
Getting some one with conventional (tail wheel) experience may not be too
easy. Most of the small planes on wheels in this neck of the woods are used
for training and are all tricycle gear. Either way I won't take the 'Fox
off her floats unless we get a good thirty mile long landing strip!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul Seehafer
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:05 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap!
>
>
> Hi Noel,
>
> Didn't you know a good looking, exotic looking seaplane will
> attract good
> looking, exotic looking women? <smirk>
>
> Does my Kitfox get the same amount of attention? Hmmmmmmm........
> Honestly, no. But women in general sure do think it is
> "cute". I'm not so
> sure I like that whole cute thing, but anything is better
> than nothing.
>
> Here's a picture of my "cute" Model IV at our annual Eagle
> River Seaplane
> Fly In during the poker run (we fly 6-8 lakes) we had 3 weeks ago.
> Incidently, my little Kitfox IV had no trouble whatsoever
> keeping up with
> Husky Amphibs in the group. The Kitfox makes for one nice seaplane!
>
> Oh yeah, that is my buddies Highlander in the foreground. If
> anyone is
> interested that airplane is up for sale. (68K on floats, and 58K on
> wheels). It was a Sun-N-Fun Grand Champion, plus Oshkosh
> Seaplane award
> winner. Very nice airplane.
>
> Paul
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > Hey Paul!
> >
> > How come you didn't say your Lake came with hot running
> women??? Now the
> > important question does your 'Fox get the same attention???
> >
> > Now I'm convinced I'm doing something wrong!
> >
> > Noel
>
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| Subject: | Off topic Beothuck People |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I live in Newfoundland, Canada. This is the only place on the North
American continent where, arguably, we do not have any indigenous people.
When I say this I specifically mean the island of Newfoundland and not the
mainland part of out province called Labrador ( French for the Golden Arm )
When my ancestors first came to this country almost five hundred years ago
there was a tribe of Indians living here. They were called the Beothuc or
Beothuck. These people were quite unlike most of the other first nations in
several ways. What I would like to concentrate on here is the fact that the
Beothuck were an ocean going people. They would annually paddle their
canoes many miles out into the North Atlantic to a series of small islands
called the Funk Islands. They also sent raiding parties to Nova Scotia
where they fought with the Mic-Mac Indians who lived there.
In the early years of Newfoundland there was a more or less consistent war
between English, French and Spanish interests. At that time Nova Scotia was
a colony of France. The French colonists brought the Mic-Mac people to
Newfoundland to do a bit of fighting for them. Of course the Mic-Mac took
advantage of this to encourage the French to massacre every Beothuck they
came across.
It wasn't too long before the Beothuck in the name of self preservation
learned to avoid most colonists. However by that time diseases like small
pox decimated their population to extinction...maybe. That's another story.
In respect to our past indigenous people who were fantastic travellers on
the ocean I decided to name the 'Fox the Beothuck Explorer. Some of my
ancestors fished alongside the Beothuck. There is even a story,
unsubstantiated, about a Beothuck, called Jim, who lived with a white woman
for something like forty years. Her children couldn't be considered his
because the church at that time wouldn't even accept this remarkable people
as human.
As a side note: A few years ago the federal government of Canada granted a
group of Mic-Mac a reserve in Newfoundland. I for one who's family has been
here longer than any indigenous person reject that move of the federal
government as a huge mistake. Since that time I've heard that some of the
Mic-Mac people living in Newfoundland claim to be indigenous to Newfoundland
and were transported to Nova Scotia by French colonists. In my mind the
Feds would be better off trying to help the Naskapi and Innu people of
Labrador.
There are many theories about the Beothuck some people think they were a mix
of upper Canada Indians ( Huron or Algonquin) and Vikings. Vikings settled
here over a thousand years ago and several of their colonists, male and
female, were dragged off in the dark of night by people they called
Scalenes. That would account for the similarities between the Beothuck
canoes and the Viking long boats. It would account for their tall stature
and I've heard occasionally Red hair. I'm not so sure about the last point
though. The Beothuck were called the "Red Indians" because they often
covered themselves with Red Ochre to protect themselves from insects as well
as religious rituals.
Hope this clears up the name on the plane..... To any Mic-Mac or other
indigenous people out there we will have to agree to disagree on First
Nations people in Newfoundland.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:22 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap!
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 07:21 PM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
> >Just for the Halibut, I'm including a small pic of my
> graphic and one of
> >it on the plane.
> >
>
> Noel,
> You're going to have to explain that one. "Beothuck"?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Mister-good-guy WAS: Graphics body wrap! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Nelson Goguen" <mino2@verizon.net>
Michel,
I really enjoy your posts. I really don't have to watch the history channel
now I get almost everything from the list :-).
Fly Safe,
Nelson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Mister-good-guy WAS: Graphics body wrap!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Sep 30, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Dave G. wrote:
>> Perhaps an avian gnome of some sort to encourage safe airmanship is in
>> order, I have a kit fox on my dash, but a gnome would be ok.
>
> The idea had crossed my mind too, Dave. Our plan was to get yachting
> publications interested. We got so far with a couple of them. Then, to
> have them to print articles about fictive scientists discussing old
> documents relating the story of those fictive beings. We got so far as to
> make a false helmsman's logbook 120 years old. The idea is to play with
> the mind of the reader. The story must be as real as possible, yet it must
> be understood a a prank or just something funny. Then the next step is to
> contact national authorities, insurance companies, and everyone who see a
> point in focusing on safety. Then arrive the spin-offs, t-shirts, mugs,
> anything that spins the idea further.
> At the end, you have a t-shirt or anything else that identify you with the
> symbol, and you dare not drink and drive careless while carrying the flag
> of good seamanship.
>
> And now we come to one of my deep concerns: Our society punishes the bad
> guy without thinking about rewarding the good one. If you are
> mister-nice-guy and do everything to abide by the law, pay your taxes and
> honour your debts, you are still looked upon as a potential terrorist when
> you go through a security gate at an airport. Nice people should be able
> to identify themselves, if they wish so, and get rewarded for it.
>
> Likewise, the Islamic problem will only be solved when Muslims will find a
> way to identify themselves as the large majority of them who are
> peace-loving and tolerant. But as long as they all rally under a same
> flag, we can't separate the wheat from the chaff, and we let terrorists
> believe they have the entire Muslim world behind them, which they do
> certainly not.
>
> ... sorry for this long philosophical rambling, I felt I needed to say it.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic Beothuck People |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
My daddy always told me , [ Son if you dont learn something new everyday
then the day was wasted !]. I love your posts keep them up .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 / subbie
HOT PINK IVO inflight
TD/ Straight floats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Off topic Beothuck People
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> I live in Newfoundland, Canada. This is the only place on the North
> American continent where, arguably, we do not have any indigenous people.
> When I say this I specifically mean the island of Newfoundland and not the
> mainland part of out province called Labrador ( French for the Golden
> Arm )
>
> When my ancestors first came to this country almost five hundred years ago
> there was a tribe of Indians living here. They were called the Beothuc or
> Beothuck. These people were quite unlike most of the other first nations
> in
> several ways. What I would like to concentrate on here is the fact that
> the
> Beothuck were an ocean going people. They would annually paddle their
> canoes many miles out into the North Atlantic to a series of small islands
> called the Funk Islands. They also sent raiding parties to Nova Scotia
> where they fought with the Mic-Mac Indians who lived there.
>
> In the early years of Newfoundland there was a more or less consistent war
> between English, French and Spanish interests. At that time Nova Scotia
> was
> a colony of France. The French colonists brought the Mic-Mac people to
> Newfoundland to do a bit of fighting for them. Of course the Mic-Mac took
> advantage of this to encourage the French to massacre every Beothuck they
> came across.
>
> It wasn't too long before the Beothuck in the name of self preservation
> learned to avoid most colonists. However by that time diseases like small
> pox decimated their population to extinction...maybe. That's another
> story.
>
> In respect to our past indigenous people who were fantastic travellers on
> the ocean I decided to name the 'Fox the Beothuck Explorer. Some of my
> ancestors fished alongside the Beothuck. There is even a story,
> unsubstantiated, about a Beothuck, called Jim, who lived with a white
> woman
> for something like forty years. Her children couldn't be considered his
> because the church at that time wouldn't even accept this remarkable
> people
> as human.
>
> As a side note: A few years ago the federal government of Canada granted
> a
> group of Mic-Mac a reserve in Newfoundland. I for one who's family has
> been
> here longer than any indigenous person reject that move of the federal
> government as a huge mistake. Since that time I've heard that some of the
> Mic-Mac people living in Newfoundland claim to be indigenous to
> Newfoundland
> and were transported to Nova Scotia by French colonists. In my mind the
> Feds would be better off trying to help the Naskapi and Innu people of
> Labrador.
>
> There are many theories about the Beothuck some people think they were a
> mix
> of upper Canada Indians ( Huron or Algonquin) and Vikings. Vikings
> settled
> here over a thousand years ago and several of their colonists, male and
> female, were dragged off in the dark of night by people they called
> Scalenes. That would account for the similarities between the Beothuck
> canoes and the Viking long boats. It would account for their tall stature
> and I've heard occasionally Red hair. I'm not so sure about the last
> point
> though. The Beothuck were called the "Red Indians" because they often
> covered themselves with Red Ochre to protect themselves from insects as
> well
> as religious rituals.
>
> Hope this clears up the name on the plane..... To any Mic-Mac or other
> indigenous people out there we will have to agree to disagree on First
> Nations people in Newfoundland.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Guy Buchanan
>> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:22 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Graphics body wrap!
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>>
>> At 07:21 PM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
>> >Just for the Halibut, I'm including a small pic of my
>> graphic and one of
>> >it on the plane.
>> >
>>
>> Noel,
>> You're going to have to explain that one. "Beothuck"?
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Priming the oil injection pump |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Herb,
Try some light grease on the "O" rings to "glue" them
in when assembling. Just enough to make them stick
and wipe off the excess after you got it in place.
Easier to do than to delete your e-mails thru tears
and side aches.
Kurt S.
--- HMDOUD <hdoud@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Listers............
> ...................................
> The biggest problem was, trying to get the "O" ring
> (it's not really an "O" ring. It's a square ring,
> back in it's groove on the engine. But I've never
> heard it called a sqaure ring) And stay there,
> while I put the pump housing back on the engine.
> That lil' bugger popped out, I don't know how many
> times, right when I thought I had the sitcheation
> under control.
>
> Learned 6 "new words" in the process. Be happy to
> pass them on to anyone who might need them, but
> can't spell 'em.
>
> Finally got the "square ring" in place and after
> taking my medicine, everything's hunky dory.
>
> Regards.........Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight |
At the suggestion of Skystar to upgrade my plant to 1450, I purchased
the heavier tubes, the stronger bolts, and added a plywood gusset to
the triangle tubing of the lower fuselage where it accepts the load
from the wings. At the time they thought that would do it.
Jim Crowder
At 09:25 AM 9/30/2006, you wrote:
>There is a kit manufacture date you can check. I recieved mine in 96
>and it is a 1400 lb. not to long after that they switched to the
>1500 lb. When I talked to Skystar about the upgrade they told me it
>was a spar carry through tube and area that was the major change. It
>was thicker and there was no way to up the gross on it. I did not
>chase any details after that. The only thing for sure is the kit
>manufacture date for the 1400 to 1500. Not much help. Good luck
>Albert
>5TD-NSI-T
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Hmm, my data says 1550lbs?? Everyone seems to be quoting 1500, am I correct
at the former?
From: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 1400 Gross Weight
At the suggestion of Skystar to upgrade my plant to 1450, I purchased the
heavier tubes, the stronger bolts, and added a plywood gusset to the
triangle tubing of the lower fuselage where it accepts the load from the
wings. At the time they thought that would do it.
Jim Crowder
At 09:25 AM 9/30/2006, you wrote:
There is a kit manufacture date you can check. I recieved mine in 96 and it
is a 1400 lb. not to long after that they switched to the 1500 lb. When I
talked to Skystar about the upgrade they told me it was a spar carry through
tube and area that was the major change. It was thicker and there was no way
to up the gross on it. I did not chase any details after that. The only
thing for sure is the kit manufacture date for the 1400 to 1500. Not much
help. Good luck
Albert
5TD-NSI-T
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