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Sun 10/08/06


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 02:08 AM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (John Anderson)
     2. 04:41 AM - Re: Alodine spar (fox5flyer)
     3. 04:51 AM - Re: 90 mph VW results/tach (fox5flyer)
     4. 06:37 AM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (Floran Higgins)
     5. 08:15 AM - Seat pan covering (Joel Mapes)
     6. 08:32 AM - Re: Seat pan covering (Dave and Diane)
     7. 08:49 AM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (Lowell Fitt)
     8. 11:56 AM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (Michel Verheughe)
     9. 11:57 AM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (Michel Verheughe)
    10. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot: one step closer (Michel Verheughe)
    11. 12:43 PM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (John Anderson)
    12. 06:27 PM - Re: Seat pan covering (Noel Loveys)
    13. 06:32 PM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (Lynn Matteson)
    14. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot: one step closer (Lynn Matteson)
    15. 08:22 PM - Finger Strainer access on Series 7? (darinh)
    16. 11:41 PM - Re: NSI Manuals and other Materials (kurt schrader)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:08:33 AM PST US
    From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com> Wow now, can't agree that wheelers have no good purpose. When the conditions are testy this is when the wheeler has its place. When the a/c is stalling (fully stalled landing) it goes through a period when you have little control as roll authority is all but gone, poor forward vis and sideways drift during x/winds etc. A wheeled landing, the a/c is still flying and one has good control allowing for a crisp flight to ground contact and ability to maintain ground contact and good braking. 90% of my landings are wheelers as I like to have total control of my wee beast until we are totally stopped.. From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia Now that you mentioned it, Jose, I recall asking him about wheel landings early on during instruction, and he said we'd get to that later. Maybe I'd better mention it to him. : ) Hi ! Lynn, when I did my taildragger endorsement I think we are supposed to demonstrate 2 wheeler landings here in Australia. However my instructor is dead against wheelers in a tail dragger but he did ask me one day if I wanted to try. I thought it would be an interesting challenge so I said yes. As we touched down first time I instincively pulled the stick back for a second only to realise as I did it that it was the wrong thing so that one was messed up. Well I tried 2 more and was getting better but not good and he said that was enough. Later as we walked back into the club rooms someone asked us how the wheelers went and my intructor said they were not too bad but I think he was just being very kind to me. Anyway I would say forget the stupid things as being practical but they certainly are an interesting challenge for fun. Just my opinion ! Just one more question: Are you checked out for one type of aircraft > at the time? E.g. my Norwegian ultralight license is valid for the > taildragger Kitfox and nosewheel Rans. Any new check-ride will be > written in my pilot's logbook, signed by an inspector. Michel, here in Australia we have a licence either with a tricycle only restriction or a licence with that restriction removed thus allowing flying a tail dragger. However our licence also mentions 3 axis control, radio licence and cross country. So my licence with the restriction removed allows me to fly any ultralight but in fact. I trained in a Jabiru tricycle for my restricted then promptly continued in my Kitfox to get that restriction removed and these are really the only two planes I have flown. Rex from Australia. _________________________________________________________________ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health


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    Time: 04:41:15 AM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: Re: Alodine spar
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com> I used Alodine on some aluminum parts, but wasn't impressed. After a year or so the paint began to peel off in places. I cleaned and scotch brighted according to directions. I've had much better luck with the old tried and tested zinc chromate, and better luck with epoxy chromate. A good cleaning and scotch brighting is necessary prior to application. I try to get it covered within 4 hours of cleaning because aluminum oxidizes very quickly. Deke ---- Original Message ---- From: occom@ns.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alodine spar >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> > >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" >>> <shilocom@mcmsys.com> >>> >>> Alodine is a Chemical etch and only requires contact and time to >get the >>> job >>> done. That being said, I know others believe it is a "corrosion >>> inhibitor", >>> I believe that is wishful thinking. None of the tech sheets make >any >>> such >>> claims that I've seen. It is simply an etch for improved paint >adhesion >>> and > >Hi Bob and list. I picked up the product I bought and while I had >asked for >Alodine by name the product I received is Dupont 225S metal prep and >Dupont >226S Conversion Coating which does contain chromic acid and is >advised to >give a high degree of corrosion resistance on aircraft etc. Says it >stabilizes aluminum and give corrosion resistance and paint adhesion. >It may >be the same as Alodine as it says it imparts a "golden" colour. We'll >see. I >may ultimately wash the inside if the spars with zinc chromate or >epoxy >chromate but the original spars lived in our Maritime climate for 15 >years >and there is no sign of any corrosion on the pile of cut up spar. > > WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95


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    Time: 04:51:25 AM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: 90 mph VW results/tach
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com> Ron, at 1500 rpm it sounds as if your tach is indeed incorrect. Try a "Tiny Tach" as a backup until you know what you're dealing with. Lots of modelers have them, but they're cheap to buy also. Deke ---- Original Message ---- From: roncarolnikko@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 90 mph VW results/tach >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" ><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> > >I put the Ivo back on and left the pitch in the "nuetral" adjustment >position. While my tach only read 1500 rpm I was cuising easily at >80 and >90-92 flat out. My climb was 700 fpm from 2000' to 2700' at 60 f. >Perhaps >this 1915cc VW redrive has hope yet. Me thinks the tach is WAY off. >I was >setting the pitch wrong. Does anyone know if the loop wire needs >cut on a >Westach 2AT3-2 when hooked up to a Slick mag? Ron NB Ore. > >_________________________________________________________________ >SearchYour way, your world, right now! >http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&F >ORM=WLMTAG > > WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95


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    Time: 06:37:06 AM PST US
    From: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
    Subject: Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net> My Speedster has marginal elevator control for three piont landings. Nearly all of my landings are wheel landings. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:07 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" > <janderson412@hotmail.com> > > Wow now, can't agree that wheelers have no good purpose. When the > conditions are testy this is when the wheeler has its place. When the a/c > is stalling (fully stalled landing) it goes through a period when you have > little control as roll authority is all but gone, poor forward vis and > sideways drift during x/winds etc. A wheeled landing, the a/c is still > flying and one has good control allowing for a crisp flight to ground > contact and ability to maintain ground contact and good braking. 90% of my > landings are wheelers as I like to have total control of my wee beast > until we are totally stopped.. > > > From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia > Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 08:46:39 -0700 > > Now that you mentioned it, Jose, I recall asking him > about wheel landings early on during instruction, and he said we'd get > to that later. Maybe I'd better mention it to him. : ) > > Hi ! Lynn, > when I did my taildragger endorsement I think we are > supposed to demonstrate 2 wheeler landings here in Australia. However my > instructor is dead against wheelers in a tail dragger but he did ask me > one day if I wanted to try. I thought it would be an interesting challenge > so I said yes. As we touched down first time I instincively pulled the > stick back for a second only to realise as I did it that it was the wrong > thing so that one was messed up. Well I tried 2 more and was getting > better but not good and he said that was enough. Later as we walked back > into the club rooms someone asked us how the wheelers went and my > intructor said they were not too bad but I think he was just being very > kind to me. Anyway I would say forget the stupid things as being practical > but they certainly are an interesting challenge for fun. Just my opinion ! > > Just one more question: Are you checked out for one type of aircraft > > at the time? E.g. my Norwegian ultralight license is valid for the > > taildragger Kitfox and nosewheel Rans. Any new check-ride will be > > written in my pilot's logbook, signed by an inspector. > > Michel, > here in Australia we have a licence either with a tricycle > only restriction or a licence with that restriction removed thus allowing > flying a tail dragger. However our licence also mentions 3 axis control, > radio licence and cross country. So my licence with the restriction > removed allows me to fly any ultralight but in fact. I trained in a Jabiru > tricycle for my restricted then promptly continued in my Kitfox to get > that restriction removed and these are really the only two planes I have > flown. > > Rex from Australia. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > >


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    Time: 08:15:13 AM PST US
    From: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Seat pan covering
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> We are about to begin covering the fiberglass seat pan of our model 5 and have seen some other Kitfox seats where fabric was bonded to the seat pan near the edges and over the 'hump'. Any recommedations on what to use to glue the fabric in place? Joel Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline


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    Time: 08:32:23 AM PST US
    From: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Seat pan covering
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> Joel, Go to the fabric store and ask for some spray on adhesive for this purpose. Just about any fabric store will have this stuff. This is the best way to go. I have also used gorilla snot (commonly known as "contact cement" used for things like gluing down formica) for gluing down edges of fabric to hard surfaces; BUT, and I mean BIG BUT on this one - many of the man made fabrics and fabric backings dissolve in the solvents used in this stuff, while it works real well for cotton & wool. - also - it does not come in a spray form and the water based products are basically worthless in the long run. If you use this it has to be brushed on and only get the kind with the stinky solvents if you want it to last. Dave Do Not Archive On Sunday 08 October 2006 10:14 am, Joel Mapes wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> > > We are about to begin covering the fiberglass seat pan of our model 5 and > have seen some other Kitfox seats where fabric was bonded to the seat pan > near the edges and over the 'hump'. Any recommedations on what to use to > glue the fabric in place? > > Joel > Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs >


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    Time: 08:49:09 AM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> John, Just one thought on the wheel landings as you describe them. At the point where there is not enough elevator authority to keep the tail up, you also lose rudder authority until the tail wheel is on the ground - maybe a couple of seconds. Bad things can happen then too. It sounds like pretty much a wash to me - a matter of argument, I guess, and of personal preference. I have heard good convincing arguments for both landing techniques in all sorts of conditions. The group I fly with in the back country all land full stall. The guys fly mostly Kitfoxes, but there is a Rans mix in there too. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" > <janderson412@hotmail.com> > > Wow now, can't agree that wheelers have no good purpose. When the > conditions are testy this is when the wheeler has its place. When the a/c > is stalling (fully stalled landing) it goes through a period when you have > little control as roll authority is all but gone, poor forward vis and > sideways drift during x/winds etc. A wheeled landing, the a/c is still > flying and one has good control allowing for a crisp flight to ground > contact and ability to maintain ground contact and good braking. 90% of my > landings are wheelers as I like to have total control of my wee beast > until we are totally stopped.. > > > From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia > Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 08:46:39 -0700 > > Now that you mentioned it, Jose, I recall asking him > about wheel landings early on during instruction, and he said we'd get > to that later. Maybe I'd better mention it to him. : ) > > Hi ! Lynn, > when I did my taildragger endorsement I think we are > supposed to demonstrate 2 wheeler landings here in Australia. However my > instructor is dead against wheelers in a tail dragger but he did ask me > one day if I wanted to try. I thought it would be an interesting challenge > so I said yes. As we touched down first time I instincively pulled the > stick back for a second only to realise as I did it that it was the wrong > thing so that one was messed up. Well I tried 2 more and was getting > better but not good and he said that was enough. Later as we walked back > into the club rooms someone asked us how the wheelers went and my > intructor said they were not too bad but I think he was just being very > kind to me. Anyway I would say forget the stupid things as being practical > but they certainly are an interesting challenge for fun. Just my opinion ! > > Just one more question: Are you checked out for one type of aircraft > > at the time? E.g. my Norwegian ultralight license is valid for the > > taildragger Kitfox and nosewheel Rans. Any new check-ride will be > > written in my pilot's logbook, signed by an inspector. > > Michel, > here in Australia we have a licence either with a tricycle > only restriction or a licence with that restriction removed thus allowing > flying a tail dragger. However our licence also mentions 3 axis control, > radio licence and cross country. So my licence with the restriction > removed allows me to fly any ultralight but in fact. I trained in a Jabiru > tricycle for my restricted then promptly continued in my Kitfox to get > that restriction removed and these are really the only two planes I have > flown. > > Rex from Australia. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > >


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    Time: 11:56:50 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> On Oct 8, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Rex Shaw wrote: > here in Australia we have a licence either with a tricycle only > restriction or a licence with that restriction removed thus allowing > flying a tail dragger. Hello Rex, Does the Australian utralight class differs from the European one? Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 11:57:55 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Floran Higgins wrote: > My Speedster has marginal elevator control for three piont landings. > Nearly all of my landings are wheel landings. Have you tried gap-sealing the elevator, Floran? It did the trick for my model 3. Cheers, Michel


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    Time: 12:01:49 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Sport Pilot: one step closer
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> On Oct 7, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote: > Over here we have (for Sport Pilot) a minimum of 20 hrs training, > which is half of that required for a Private Pilot....less training, > but more restrictions on what you can do. Apart from the MTOW, pretty much the same as the European utralight, Lynn. Is the Sport Pilot class under the FAA, or another administration? Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 12:43:10 PM PST US
    From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com> Guys, take a look at the Alaskian clips of landing in river beds etc. No stalled landings there...Aerial topderssing here in NZ on short sloping strips strips with cross tail winds you don't stall on I tell you.. Not that I'm knocking stalled landings, just that when the going gets tough/ rough and you have to land right there, right then...wheeler it is. From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> John, Just one thought on the wheel landings as you describe them. At the point where there is not enough elevator authority to keep the tail up, you also lose rudder authority until the tail wheel is on the ground - maybe a couple of seconds. Bad things can happen then too. It sounds like pretty much a wash to me - a matter of argument, I guess, and of personal preference. I have heard good convincing arguments for both landing techniques in all sorts of conditions. The group I fly with in the back country all land full stall. The guys fly mostly Kitfoxes, but there is a Rans mix in there too. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" ><janderson412@hotmail.com> > >Wow now, can't agree that wheelers have no good purpose. When the >conditions are testy this is when the wheeler has its place. When the a/c >is stalling (fully stalled landing) it goes through a period when you have >little control as roll authority is all but gone, poor forward vis and >sideways drift during x/winds etc. A wheeled landing, the a/c is still >flying and one has good control allowing for a crisp flight to ground >contact and ability to maintain ground contact and good braking. 90% of my >landings are wheelers as I like to have total control of my wee beast until >we are totally stopped.. > > >From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 08:46:39 -0700 > >Now that you mentioned it, Jose, I recall asking him >about wheel landings early on during instruction, and he said we'd get >to that later. Maybe I'd better mention it to him. : ) > >Hi ! Lynn, > when I did my taildragger endorsement I think we are >supposed to demonstrate 2 wheeler landings here in Australia. However my >instructor is dead against wheelers in a tail dragger but he did ask me one >day if I wanted to try. I thought it would be an interesting challenge so I >said yes. As we touched down first time I instincively pulled the stick >back for a second only to realise as I did it that it was the wrong thing >so that one was messed up. Well I tried 2 more and was getting better but >not good and he said that was enough. Later as we walked back into the club >rooms someone asked us how the wheelers went and my intructor said they >were not too bad but I think he was just being very kind to me. Anyway I >would say forget the stupid things as being practical but they certainly >are an interesting challenge for fun. Just my opinion ! > >Just one more question: Are you checked out for one type of aircraft > > at the time? E.g. my Norwegian ultralight license is valid for the > > taildragger Kitfox and nosewheel Rans. Any new check-ride will be > > written in my pilot's logbook, signed by an inspector. > >Michel, > here in Australia we have a licence either with a tricycle >only restriction or a licence with that restriction removed thus allowing >flying a tail dragger. However our licence also mentions 3 axis control, >radio licence and cross country. So my licence with the restriction removed >allows me to fly any ultralight but in fact. I trained in a Jabiru tricycle >for my restricted then promptly continued in my Kitfox to get that >restriction removed and these are really the only two planes I have flown. > >Rex from Australia. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > _________________________________________________________________ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/


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    Time: 06:27:15 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Seat pan covering
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> There is also an acid free spray contact cement that you will find at photo shops... My experience with the stuff is it may dry our and separate in a couple of years. I've had limited success with carpet tape and two sided foam tape. The best part of this stuff is it sticks well and is easy to replace if it comes unstuck. What I've found to be totally useless is any hot glue... If it ever sticks it will release with in a couple of weeks. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Dave and Diane > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:15 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Seat pan covering > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane > <ddsyverson@comcast.net> > > Joel, > > Go to the fabric store and ask for some spray on adhesive for > this purpose. > Just about any fabric store will have this stuff. This is the > best way to go. > > I have also used gorilla snot (commonly known as "contact > cement" used for > things like gluing down formica) for gluing down edges of > fabric to hard > surfaces; BUT, and I mean BIG BUT on this one - many of the > man made fabrics > and fabric backings dissolve in the solvents used in this > stuff, while it > works real well for cotton & wool. - also - it does not come > in a spray form > and the water based products are basically worthless in the > long run. If you > use this it has to be brushed on and only get the kind with > the stinky > solvents if you want it to last. > > Dave > > Do Not Archive > > > On Sunday 08 October 2006 10:14 am, Joel Mapes wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" > <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> > > > > We are about to begin covering the fiberglass seat pan of > our model 5 and > > have seen some other Kitfox seats where fabric was bonded > to the seat pan > > near the edges and over the 'hump'. Any recommedations on > what to use to > > glue the fabric in place? > > > > Joel > > Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:32:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> I'm not sure if the problem my Speedster had on its' first flights is the same as you're having, but mine floated too much to get down. I was told this by the test pilot. We dropped the horizontal stab to the lowest point that it would go and re-drilled the mounting holes. Then we closed the gap with tape, and then I added about 3 inches of trim tab to the existing electric elevator trim. While the addition of the trim tab didn't do anything for the elevator authority (I don't think), it helped with relieving stick pressures. Lynn Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200 On Sunday, October 8, 2006, at 09:36 AM, Floran Higgins wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net> > > My Speedster has marginal elevator control for three piont landings. > Nearly all of my landings are wheel landings. > > Floran H. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Anderson" > <janderson412@hotmail.com> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:07 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" >> <janderson412@hotmail.com> >> >> Wow now, can't agree that wheelers have no good purpose. When the >> conditions are testy this is when the wheeler has its place. When the >> a/c is stalling (fully stalled landing) it goes through a period when >> you have little control as roll authority is all but gone, poor >> forward vis and sideways drift during x/winds etc. A wheeled landing, >> the a/c is still flying and one has good control allowing for a crisp >> flight to ground contact and ability to maintain ground contact and >> good braking. 90% of my landings are wheelers as I like to have total >> control of my wee beast until we are totally stopped.. >>


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    Time: 06:37:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sport Pilot: one step closer
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> Definitely under the FAA, but the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) was instrumental in getting it passed. Lynn On Sunday, October 8, 2006, at 03:01 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> > > On Oct 7, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote: >> Over here we have (for Sport Pilot) a minimum of 20 hrs training, >> which is half of that required for a Private Pilot....less training, >> but more restrictions on what you can do. > > Apart from the MTOW, pretty much the same as the European utralight, > Lynn. Is the Sport Pilot class under the FAA, or another > administration? > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 08:22:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Finger Strainer access on Series 7?
    From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net> What has everybody done for access to the finger strainers on the series 7? I have attached a pic of the area in question for all to comment on. I can't figure out how you would ever be able to remove the strainer if it became clogged being that the elbow is on the outboard side of rib #1. I have changed the factory elbows for AN fittings but the concept is the same. Without making some sort of access hatch and a section of Rib #1 removable, I don't see how it is to be done? Can anyone enlighten me? If so, pics of your setup would be worth a million words. Thanks, Darin Hawkes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66660#66660 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1585_medium_784.jpg


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    Time: 11:41:05 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: NSI Manuals and other Materials
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> I asked for the book on the 84 Soob Brat. It had a turbo, so the book has a very small turbo reference to it. Mine is not EFI, so I did not look for it. I am not home now, so I can not give more info, but maybe that will help. Kurt S. S-5 --- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote: > Yes the Haynes is great but does not cover the EFI > Turbo engine. There is a > suppliment manual you can get from Subaru, well they > produced one and might still be available. __________________________________________________




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