Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Wheelers (Rex Shaw)
2. 04:35 AM - Re: Seat pan covering (tc9008@aol.com)
3. 07:38 AM - Member List (Lowell Fitt)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Member List (Guy Buchanan)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: Member List (Ted Palamarek)
6. 09:09 AM - Videos (Dave)
7. 09:25 AM - 912S (Kaufjm@AOL.COM)
8. 09:55 AM - Re: Videos (wingnut)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Videos (kurt schrader)
10. 11:53 AM - Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (Richard Rabbers)
11. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (Lynn Matteson)
12. 01:52 PM - Wheel Landings - Lynn (Jose M. Toro)
13. 01:55 PM - Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (Richard Rabbers)
14. 02:18 PM - Re: Videos (Guy Buchanan)
15. 02:38 PM - Re: Videos (wingnut)
16. 02:53 PM - Classes of aircraft WAS: Wheelers (Michel Verheughe)
17. 03:48 PM - props for Guy (Randy Daughenbaugh)
18. 04:55 PM - Re: props for Guy (Don Smythe)
19. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Videos (Dave)
20. 05:47 PM - Re: NSI Manuals and other Materials (John Anderson)
21. 05:59 PM - Re: Videos (Dave)
22. 06:01 PM - Re: Member List (Herbert R Gottelt)
23. 06:13 PM - Re: props for Guy (Dave)
24. 06:52 PM - Re: Finger Strainer access on Series 7? (Dave and Diane)
25. 06:55 PM - Re: props for Guy (Mike Crutchlow)
26. 06:57 PM - Dual Electrical system (Dave and Diane)
27. 08:22 PM - Re: props for Guy (Guy Buchanan)
28. 08:22 PM - Re: props for Guy (Guy Buchanan)
29. 08:22 PM - Re: props for Guy (Guy Buchanan)
30. 09:05 PM - Re: Finger Strainer access on Series 7? (Grant Fluent)
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Hi ! Michel,
I don't really know the difference except some one
told me what we call ultralights were called microlights somewhere. I
actually thought that was you but maybe not. Our governing body was
called Australian Ultralight Federation until recently but is now called
Recreational Aviation Australia. We are trying to drop the ultralight
image that has a bad reputation for incidents and causes insurance
problems. Here a microlight is a motorised hang glider or trike. [ not
as in tricycle undercarriage. ] Our Kitfox's are Ultralights here if we
use that terminology rather than recreational aircraft which is our new
prefered name. Currently we are talking an MTOW of 544 Kg. We do have a
class we call 95-10 that I think has an MTOW of 300 KG and a set wing
loading, single seat etc. Tell me if you want more info or just more
accurate info and I can probably find it and send it to you privately
but I have no idea what the European standards are but I thought they
were similar as we get some of their planes here. I know at times though
some small changes are needed.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat pan covering |
I used velcro strips
Travis
-----Original Message-----
From: foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com
Sent: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat pan covering
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
We are about to begin covering the fiberglass seat pan of our model 5 and have
seen some other Kitfox seats where fabric was bonded to the seat pan near the
edges and over the 'hump'. Any recommedations on what to use to glue the fabric
in place?
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
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Attached is the latest update of the list of members and what they are
flying etc.
I have had suggestions that we include occupations to round out the names.
Also it has been suggested that we include builders as very few builders
have responded to be included on the list. For me, and my understanding of
the fleet, I would like to see empty wts. and maybe some performance
numbers, i.e., climb and cruise. This could get big, but in my mind the
bigger it is the more useful it will be to those building and thinking of
building or buying. I was at Show and Shine last Saturday and next to my
airplane, I posted an Idaho Division of Aeronotics map with dots on all the
airports the group has flown to with some thumbnail pictures and that
developed a lot of interest. Two guys called me later that evening
interested in Kitfox - and this from a Hot Rod show with just a few
airplanes for interest.
If it is desired by a significant part of the group without some convincing
negative feelings, I would be happy over the next few days - weeks to also
cull out the e-mail addresses from those responding and add them too.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:36 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>Attached is the latest update of the list of members and what they are
>flying etc.
Very impressive Lowell. Thank you for taking the time to assemble this
list. I will be happy to supply additional information; the only
recommendation I have is that you be very specific regarding performance
information, or else request the background behind the information. My
Kitfox performance varies enormously between light/heavy, cold/hot,
low/high. The spam cans use gross / sea level / standard temperature for
all their baseline performance numbers; that would be ideal however I doubt
very many people have these data. What do you think?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Lowell
Great list. My engine make is missing --- it is a 912UL. No problem with
the suggestions and I don't have a problem with the E-Mail address being
attached.
Thanks
Ted Palamarek
DO NOT ARCHIVE
<<<<<<<SNIP>>>>>>>>>>
I would be happy over the next few days - weeks to also
cull out the e-mail addresses from those responding and add them too.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Guy,
What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times and yet no
one has responded
I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox flying with
excellent short field performance.
I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes perform
.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Member List
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 07:36 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>>Attached is the latest update of the list of members and what they are
>>flying etc.
>
> Very impressive Lowell. Thank you for taking the time to assemble this
> list. I will be happy to supply additional information; the only
> recommendation I have is that you be very specific regarding performance
> information, or else request the background behind the information. My
> Kitfox performance varies enormously between light/heavy, cold/hot,
> low/high. The spam cans use gross / sea level / standard temperature for
> all their baseline performance numbers; that would be ideal however I
> doubt very many people have these data. What do you think?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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I have a couple of question, Is there anyway to test an ignition system, the
coils,black boxes? This is a 912S. Seems that after I check my wires with an
automotive style timing light just to see if the plug wires are firing, over
half are not . Yes the engine is running rough.
Is it possible to send the coils some where and have them checked?
Jon
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
Could you pleas post some details for the uninformed? Where would I download this
video?
-Luis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66764#66764
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Well Dave,
If no one else says so, I liked them enough to keep
on my computer. :-)
I timed the takeoffs as best as I could to compare to
mine, since I don't know the distances from your vid.
My S-5 takes about 8 seconds to lift off normally. I
haven't tried any really short field techniques yet.
Mostly afraid my NSI will pull it over on its nose, if
I push the power up too much before brake release.
That 8 seconds puts me about where your first plane
was in the vid and between the other 2. Couldn't
really tell where the Avid lifted off due to the tree.
Thanks for the vid,
Kurt S.
--- Dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Hi Guy,
>
> What did you think of that video I posted last week?
> I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few
> hundred times and yet no one has responded
> I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get
> your Kitfox flying with excellent short field
> performance.
> I did that basically for you to show you how 3
> other simular planes perform
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Chili Hop - CANCELLED
.......... due to forecasted weather and field condition.
Maybe another time - great weather - same or another place.
Sorry this didn't work out.
I think we were up to 7 pilots (KF owners or interests) and 6 Kitfoxes.
Enjoy some Chili at home...
- let's keep trying for a meet-up .....
--------------------------------------------
I stopped by Riverside Airport in Jenision, MI, (Bill Willyard's home base) just
East of Grand Rapids, on an unplanned drive late last week.... I asked if Bill
might be around. An instructor said.... Yeh, I know who your talking about..
WHAT a BEAUTIFUL airplane he has!
... It was a beautiful day Bill. Sorry I missed you.
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66786#66786
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Damn! Here I was hoping to "come on down" and get gassy on some of the
northern chili (you're about 2 minutes north of me geographically) and
cider. And of course POSSIBLY show off my temporary SP license, if that
happens this week.
Lynn
do not archive
On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 02:52 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
> <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> Chili Hop - CANCELLED
> .......... due to forecasted weather and field condition.
> Maybe another time - great weather - same or another place.
>
> Sorry this didn't work out.
> I think we were up to 7 pilots (KF owners or interests) and 6 Kitfoxes.
>
> Enjoy some Chili at home...
> - let's keep trying for a meet-up .....
> --------------------------------------------
> I stopped by Riverside Airport in Jenision, MI, (Bill Willyard's home
> base) just East of Grand Rapids, on an unplanned drive late last
> week.... I asked if Bill might be around. An instructor said.... Yeh,
> I know who your talking about.. WHAT a BEAUTIFUL airplane he has!
>
> ... It was a beautiful day Bill. Sorry I missed you.
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66786#66786
>
>
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| Subject: | Wheel Landings - Lynn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Lynn:
You mentioned in your e-mail that you haven't get
training on wheel landings from your instructor. What
will happen if you are asked to do a wheel landing
during your check ride this week?
Your instructor should have provide you that training
before the endorsement. For some reason that I don't
understand, some TD pilots avoid wheel landings and
that include CFIs. There is nothing wrong with wheel
landings! As a matter of fact, on a plane with the
weight of a Kitfox IV, it may happen that one day you
need to land in strong, cross-wind, and a wheel
landing is the ONLY right way to do that landing.
Believe me, if the model II can handle strong cross
wind, the model IV with the bigger rudder can do it
better.
My recommendation is that, if your CFI avoids
providing that kind of training, get another CFI.
>From you previous postings, I can tell that you will
do great in your check ride, as long as you are not
asked to perform a wheel landing (hope the DPE is not
following this list). Good luck in your checkride,
will be waiting for the good new!
Jose
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> show off my temporary SP license
You're clearly motivated Lynn. Thanks for sharing your story as you near the mark.
Sorry this carrot's gone. I know the cheers will fly when you do, with your
new paperwork!
If we could manage to push back winter just a week!
or............ just relay your news and we'll strike up the band.
If you feel like flying..(ha).. there's a known good dry grass (sand and good drainage)
at Newman's (4NO) just NW of Kalamazoo. A chapter 221 member has a house
and hanger there ... so that's a possibility or maybe your new book has some
other places.
If you want some pavement practice... BEH is always an option.
... or some nice day I'll head over your way....
Hey? is you're friends seaplane going to see the water before it freezes?
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66797#66797
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:09 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I liked the video, if only because it's great to see Kitfox's in action!
I just got back to minimum weight configuration, after doing all my gross
weight testing. I like Kurt's idea of comparing timing so I think I'll give
that a try. I went out and paced the field to make sure I wasn't screwed up
in my calculations and re-assured myself that there's no way I'm getting
off in 200' without a serious headwind or some flaps or both; and you're
doing it on grass!
I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my prop
and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so I may try
that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff roll, though it
might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange, though, is that the
software doesn't think I should have much of a speed variation between a
cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp / 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at 5800.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Got to see the video in question by looking up Dave's history. Very cool. Can't
wait to try out some grass fields in my area.
[/quote]
To me the variation should be linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I
will see 82mph at 5800.[/quote]
Perhapse this is because wind resistance is not linear with speed.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66802#66802
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| Subject: | Classes of aircraft WAS: Wheelers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Rex Shaw wrote:
> Currently we are talking an MTOW of 544 Kg.
Gosh, what a mix-up of different classes, Rex! Yes, utralight (a.k.a.
UL or ULM, in Europe) is now called microlights. At least, according to
the European Microlight Federation:
http://www.emf.nanco.no/english/Statutes_EMF_english.htm
This is crazy, my Kitfox was built Experimental, thus requiring a PPL
certificate. Once registered as an Ultralight, I needed ... to wear a
helmet. If the builder and first owner of the plane wishes now to fly
it again ... he will need to wear the helmet and spend at least 5 hours
with an utralight instructor!
While Spain has the same ultralight rule as Norway, I can't rent one
there (I already asked), nor any other European countries, I guess.
Now, can I remove my helmet when I cross the nearby Swedish border?
Man, do we need international conventions or what? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Guy,
Just a caution. Be sure that you review your "abort takeoff" procedure
prior to flying after you add pitch.
I may be all wet, because I haven't been following this thread too closely
and don't know how big an increase the 13 degrees is. But I feel it is
possible that it will really reduce your climb rate. Just be ready.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Videos
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:09 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I liked the video, if only because it's great to see Kitfox's in action!
I just got back to minimum weight configuration, after doing all my gross
weight testing. I like Kurt's idea of comparing timing so I think I'll give
that a try. I went out and paced the field to make sure I wasn't screwed up
in my calculations and re-assured myself that there's no way I'm getting
off in 200' without a serious headwind or some flaps or both; and you're
doing it on grass!
I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my prop
and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so I may try
that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff roll, though it
might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange, though, is that the
software doesn't think I should have much of a speed variation between a
cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp / 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at 5800.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: props for Guy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Guy,
I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this, forget all
there is about getting off the ground in 200' or whatever....Adjust the prop
so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level flight with full
throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when you put in full
throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full throttle for a short
time (less than 1 min) until you have everything stabilized out. You want
to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150 ball park. Re jet or re
pitch to get those numbers.
This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the last many
years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not try for 5
more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you get.....
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my prop
> and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so I may try
> that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff roll, though it
> might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange, though, is that the
> software doesn't think I should have much of a speed variation between a
> cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp / 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
> linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at 5800.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi ,
I put a link up last week of a video we did of three Planes last week here
http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/coffeebreak.wmv
Here is original mesage..........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Guy -- 582 numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> OK first plane is a Kitfox IV 582
> Second one is a Raven --aka Kitfox 1 clone 503 single carb
> Third one is a Avid flyer 618
>
> Sorry for the quality but it gives you an indication of the Take offs , we
> did these for you so you can see that 600 foot take offs are not
> acceptable
> < VERY BIG GRIN >
> The blue avid take off gets cut out but I was standing at near the 200
> foot
> mark and he takes 400 feet + to get off but climbs well once off as you
> will see in video.
> The take off run on the first two is 200 feet to about the edge of the
> taxiway. so you will see just past that is about the 250 feet and beyond
> that is the windsock hanging vertical -- no wind but hard to see.
>
> The White and blue Raven is a 84 year old man that he scratch built. .
> Temp was about 60 F elevation 955 asl wind calm
>
> Download it here http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/coffeebreak.wmv
> about 4.6 meg. about 30 seconds on my highspeed -on dialup i
> wouldguess
> about 15 to 20 mins
>
>
> Dave
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Videos
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
>
>
> Could you pleas post some details for the uninformed? Where would I
> download this video?
>
> -Luis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66764#66764
>
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI Manuals and other Materials |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Service Manual Supplement. EA81 Turbo EFI. Publication # G125BEA Issued Feb
1983 Fuji Heavy Industries Pub. M-6.2
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Manuals and other Materials
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I asked for the book on the 84 Soob Brat. It had a
turbo, so the book has a very small turbo reference to
it. Mine is not EFI, so I did not look for it.
I am not home now, so I can not give more info, but
maybe that will help.
Kurt S. S-5
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Yes the Haynes is great but does not cover the EFI
>Turbo engine. There is a
>suppliment manual you can get from Subaru, well they
>produced one and might still be available.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Guy,
I get about 6100 static and 6800 WOT
I went for breakfast this am about 45 mins each way right near Sarnia,
Ontario -- ( That is Across River from Port Huron, Michigan. )
I average about 86-87 mph TAS at 5800 rpm and that about 18 litres a hour
( about 4.5 US gals)
I Took off in 5 to 7 knot head wind and was airbourne in about 75 to 100
feet solo with 12 gals gas on board .
I don't think a higher static rpm will improve much but even if it did then
you might be too fine in cruise ands have to deal with high EGTs....
Sure you can play with jetting etc but the gain will be small.
I will try to get some more videos done later this fall and if we get
enough guy to do it maybe make a deent clip on many kitfoxes flying. ?
Dave
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Videos
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 09:09 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>>What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
>
> I liked the video, if only because it's great to see Kitfox's in action!
>
> I just got back to minimum weight configuration, after doing all my gross
> weight testing. I like Kurt's idea of comparing timing so I think I'll
> give that a try. I went out and paced the field to make sure I wasn't
> screwed up in my calculations and re-assured myself that there's no way
> I'm getting off in 200' without a serious headwind or some flaps or both;
> and you're doing it on grass!
>
> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my prop
> and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so I may try
> that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff roll, though it
> might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange, though, is that the
> software doesn't think I should have much of a speed variation between a
> cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp / 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
> linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at 5800.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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Lowell, I submitted my kitfox to the list several times, but I don't see it listed
anywhere. I must be doing something wrong. I'll try again:
Herbert Gottelt, Mount Prospect,IL. M4-1200, Rotax 912UL,
3- blade WarpDrive, Proplink CAP, mechanically activated. Speedster
fuselage, Speedster full 32ft wings, Aluminum spring landing gear, RightAngle
III AOA, Tailwheel, formed winshield, formed turtle-deck etc. 350 hrs.
Just got my medical back after a 29 months fight with the FAA.
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Attached is the latest update of the list of members and what they are
flying etc.
I have had suggestions that we include occupations to round out the names.
Also it has been suggested that we include builders as very few builders
have responded to be included on the list. For me, and my understanding of
the fleet, I would like to see empty wts. and maybe some performance
numbers, i.e., climb and cruise. This could get big, but in my mind the
bigger it is the more useful it will be to those building and thinking of
building or buying. I was at Show and Shine last Saturday and next to my
airplane, I posted an Idaho Division of Aeronotics map with dots on all the
airports the group has flown to with some thumbnail pictures and that
developed a lot of interest. Two guys called me later that evening
interested in Kitfox - and this from a Hot Rod show with just a few
airplanes for interest.
If it is desired by a significant part of the group without some convincing
negative feelings, I would be happy over the next few days - weeks to also
cull out the e-mail addresses from those responding and add them too.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: props for Guy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to disagree to a
certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope if
performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field flying.
You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly helps alot as well.
On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should certainly
EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well you might
as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib floats get off
the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above should be at 100
feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting works well
for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run the needles on
the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are getting a bit high
now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day now I
will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop Egts a
bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to confirm.
Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as well as the
Needles and jetting.
Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a tiny
tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are running at
6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even 7400
rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Guy,
> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this, forget
> all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or whatever....Adjust
> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level flight
> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when you put
> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full throttle
> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything stabilized
> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150 ball
> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the last
> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not try
> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you
> get.....
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my prop
>> and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so I may
>> try
>> that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff roll, though it
>> might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange, though, is that the
>> software doesn't think I should have much of a speed variation between a
>> cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp / 5800rpm. To me the variation should
>> be
>> linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at 5800.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Strainer access on Series 7? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Darin,
I don't know what others have done; however, I made a rectangular aluminum
grommet (similar in configuration to the forward lift strut bracket grommet)
to glue on the back of the fabric for an access opening which will get an
aluminum, screwed down cover plate.
This idea is more for easy access for the fuel hose connection & clamp than
anything else; but, if I ever get stuck in the future and need to pull out
the strainers I won't have to chop up the fabric to get at it. I did not cut
any of the lower rib cap - again, if I have to (and I hope I don't) I will
modify the rib cap at at the time.
The finger strainers are pretty coarse; and, I wouldn't expect them to get
clogged up - they look more like something to keep the big lumps and chunks
from getting into the line than anything to do any serious filtering (that is
for the in line filters). To be sure, I did a thorough job of cleaning the
tanks of fiberglass crud - and filtered the rinse water till 5 rinses came
out without catching any stuff.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
On Sunday 08 October 2006 10:21 pm, darinh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> What has everybody done for access to the finger strainers on the series 7?
> I have attached a pic of the area in question for all to comment on. I
> can't figure out how you would ever be able to remove the strainer if it
> became clogged being that the elbow is on the outboard side of rib #1. I
> have changed the factory elbows for AN fittings but the concept is the
> same. Without making some sort of access hatch and a section of Rib #1
> removable, I don't see how it is to be done? Can anyone enlighten me? If
> so, pics of your setup would be worth a million words.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darin Hawkes
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66660#66660
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1585_medium_784.jpg
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Dave,
I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously inaccurate. I have
just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the accuracy of the
Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an optical
tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated) and takeoff at 5700 rpm
(6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop for 6500 rpm and
adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I didn't have to
change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft Services the
engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a gearbox problem.
Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a 10-20 hour
period. After the rebuild with no other changes there was a wicked
harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave! Remember that
this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the Rotax tach. Now
that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
Mike Crutchlow
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to disagree to
a
certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope if
performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field flying.
You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly helps alot as
well.
On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should certainly
EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well you
might
as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib floats get
off
the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above should be at
100
feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting works
well
for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run the needles
on
the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are getting a bit
high
now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day
now I
will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
Egts a
bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to confirm.
Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as well as the
Needles and jetting.
Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a
tiny
tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are running
at
6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even 7400
rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> Guy,
> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
> forget
> all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
whatever....Adjust
> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
flight
> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when you
put
> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
throttle
> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
stabilized
> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150 ball
> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the last
> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not
try
> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you
> get.....
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my
>> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so
>> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
>> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange,
>> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have much of a
>> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
>> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
>> linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
5800.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dual Electrical system |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Some time back an individual on the list explained that they had installed two
batteries with the aux alternator which basically ended up as redundant
charging/storage systems for their kitfox.
If this person is lurking around out there, would you contact me off list? I
also have the aux alternator and see a lot of value in being able to back up
the electrical system with some clever wiring. I am interested in how you
hooked up your system
Thanks,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
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| Subject: | Re: props for Guy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:12 PM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a tiny
>tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are running at
>6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even 7400
>rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
Thought of that. I have a GRT EIS and checked it's numbers against my
optical tach, (model aircraft,) and it was spot-on. Thanks for the tip, though.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: props for Guy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:54 PM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the last many
>years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not try for 5
>more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you get.....
I know. I know. It's just that I'm trying to make sense of my performance
calc's and it's not working out. I'm getting about 6550rpm at a density
altitude of 5500' so I'm close to proper pitch. If speed varies with the
cube root of horsepower, then I'm cruising at about 43hp. (65hp *
(80mph/92mph)^3) But at 5800rpm (cruise) I should have about 58hp. (I
cruise at 80 at 5800, max 92 at 6550.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 03:48 PM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
>Just a caution. Be sure that you review your "abort takeoff" procedure
>prior to flying after you add pitch.
I've got 5000' x 150' of paved runway to work with. No problem aborting.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Strainer access on Series 7? |
Darin,
I'm not sure if the Classic IV fuel tank setup is
the same as your Series 7 but here is what I did: I
made an aluminum plate with an opening to get a wrench
on the elbow pipe fitting. I used an air operated
flanger (for car patch panels) to make the recess in
the aluminun so the cover plate would fit flush. I am
still building so I can't say how it will work in the
future but I should be able to get the strainers out.
Grant Fluent
Classic IV 912ULS
--- darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
> <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> What has everybody done for access to the finger
> strainers on the series 7? I have attached a pic of
> the area in question for all to comment on. I can't
> figure out how you would ever be able to remove the
> strainer if it became clogged being that the elbow
> is on the outboard side of rib #1. I have changed
> the factory elbows for AN fittings but the concept
> is the same. Without making some sort of access
> hatch and a section of Rib #1 removable, I don't see
> how it is to be done? Can anyone enlighten me? If
> so, pics of your setup would be worth a million
> words.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darin Hawkes
>
>
>
>
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>
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