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1. 04:48 AM - Re: props for Guy (Noel Loveys)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Finger Strainer access on Series 7? (W Duke)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: NSI Manuals and other Materials (kurt schrader)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Classes of aircraft WAS: Wheelers (kurt schrader)
5. 05:22 AM - Re: props for Guy (kurt schrader)
6. 05:40 AM - Re: props for Guy (Dave)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: props for Guy (Mike Crutchlow)
8. 06:30 AM - Re: props for Guy (Dave)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (wwillyard@aol.com)
10. 07:55 AM - Member List (Don W. McIntosh)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (Richard Rabbers)
12. 08:34 AM - Re: Member List (Eric)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (Lynn Matteson)
14. 12:41 PM - Re: Member List (Noel Loveys)
15. 12:41 PM - Re: props for Guy (Noel Loveys)
16. 03:27 PM - Re: props for Guy (Mike Crutchlow)
17. 04:15 PM - Re: Member List (kenneth schooley)
18. 04:28 PM - Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn (Lynn Matteson)
19. 04:51 PM - Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn - more input (Dave)
20. 05:16 PM - Video (Rex Shaw)
21. 05:20 PM - Crud in my fuel (wingnut)
22. 05:50 PM - Re: Crud in my fuel (kurt schrader)
23. 05:58 PM - Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn (wingnut)
24. 06:11 PM - Re: Crud in my fuel (dwight purdy)
25. 06:14 PM - Re: Video (Dave)
26. 06:15 PM - Re: Dual Electrical system (Dan Billingsley)
27. 06:32 PM - Re: Crud in my fuel (Lowell Fitt)
28. 07:35 PM - Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn (Jay Fabian)
29. 07:48 PM - Re: Crud in my fuel (wingnut)
30. 08:33 PM - Re: Crud in my fuel (wingsdown)
31. 08:35 PM - Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) (Richard Rabbers)
32. 08:50 PM - Re: Crud in my fuel (ron schick)
33. 11:38 PM - Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn (Richard D'Archangel)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
My "Kitfox" tach was even further out at the top end. I was losing about
250 rpm/ 1000 actual rpm. E.g. when the Kitfox tach was reading 2000 the
actual speed was around 1500. When the Kitfox tach was reading 6000 actual
rpm was close to 4500.
I was using 6600-6800 rpm for take off and getting absolutely terrible
results.... No wonder actual rpm was 4800-4900. It is a miracle to me that
I was actually able to get the mod III-A off the water at close to gross
weight.
Since installing the tiny tach I have been most happy with the performance.
My EGTs are very consistent and except for the first twenty seconds after
starting the engine cold there is very little vibration.
The fellow who originally built the plane once told me that he was very
disappointed in the 582. He said if he had it to do again he would have
installed the 912. When I got the plane from the second owner I was told
there were some concerns about the engine cooling and the plane didn't seem
to pull the way other 'Foxes did. Between having the expansion bottle
plumbed to the high pressure side of the cooling system and the faulty tach
I'm not surprised!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike Crutchlow
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:25 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>
> Dave,
> I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously inaccurate. I have
> just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the
> accuracy of the
> Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an optical
> tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated) and takeoff
> at 5700 rpm
> (6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop for 6500 rpm and
> adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
>
> The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
> probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I didn't have to
> change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
> shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
> Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft
> Services the
> engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a
> gearbox problem.
> Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a 10-20 hour
> period. After the rebuild with no other changes there was a wicked
> harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave!
> Remember that
> this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the Rotax tach. Now
> that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
>
> Mike Crutchlow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
> I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
>
> As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to
> disagree to
> a
> certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope if
> performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off
> field flying.
> You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly helps alot as
> well.
> On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
>
> I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should
> certainly
> EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
>
> To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well you
> might
> as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib
> floats get
> off
> the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above should be at
> 100
> feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
>
> As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting works
> well
> for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run
> the needles
> on
> the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are getting a bit
> high
> now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day
> now I
> will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
> Egts a
> bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs
> to confirm.
>
> Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as
> well as the
> Needles and jetting.
>
> Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a
> tiny
> tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you
> are running
> at
> 6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or
> even 7400
> rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> >
> > Guy,
> > I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
> > forget
> > all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
> whatever....Adjust
> > the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
> flight
> > with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward
> stick when you
> put
> > in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
> throttle
> > for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
> stabilized
> > out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running
> about 1150 ball
>
> > park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
> > This is the procedure that I have used and heard about
> for the last
>
> > many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not
> try
> > for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is
> what you
> > get.....
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> >> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could
> optimize my
> >> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at
> the tip so
>
> >> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
> >> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing that's
> strange,
> >> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have much of a
> >> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
> >> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
> >> linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
> 5800.
> >>
> >>
> >> Guy Buchanan
> >> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Strainer access on Series 7? |
On my S6 I notched the lower cap strip of the butt rib and put in a standard round
inspection plate into the fabric. About 400 hours flying and I had a leak
from the fitting. I still had to notch the cap strip some more but was glad
I planned for the access.
Maxwell
S6/TD/IO240
darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
What has everybody done for access to the finger strainers on the series 7? I have
attached a pic of the area in question for all to comment on. I can't figure
out how you would ever be able to remove the strainer if it became clogged
being that the elbow is on the outboard side of rib #1. I have changed the factory
elbows for AN fittings but the concept is the same. Without making some sort
of access hatch and a section of Rib #1 removable, I don't see how it is to
be done? Can anyone enlighten me? If so, pics of your setup would be worth a
million words.
Thanks,
Darin Hawkes
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| Subject: | NSI Manuals and other Materials |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
New name = "Always on John" :-)
I'll have to order tht one too.
Thanks,
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Service Manual Supplement. EA81 Turbo EFI.
> Publication # G125BEA Issued Feb
> 1983 Fuji Heavy Industries Pub. M-6.2
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| Subject: | Re: Classes of aircraft WAS: Wheelers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I just called the UN. They are moving this to Top
Priority! You should have it all resolved by 2108!
There might be some delay in the security commission,
unless you are screened for hair spray and horned
helmits before every takeoff.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Rex Shaw wrote:
> > Currently we are talking an MTOW of 544 Kg.
>
> Gosh, what a mix-up of different classes, Rex! Yes,
> utralight (a.k.a.
> UL or ULM, in Europe) is now called microlights. At
> least, according to
> the European Microlight Federation:
>
http://www.emf.nanco.no/english/Statutes_EMF_english.htm
>
> This is crazy, my Kitfox was built Experimental,
> thus requiring a PPL
> certificate. Once registered as an Ultralight, I
> needed ... to wear a
> helmet. If the builder and first owner of the plane
> wishes now to fly
> it again ... he will need to wear the helmet and
> spend at least 5 hours
> with an utralight instructor!
> While Spain has the same ultralight rule as Norway,
> I can't rent one
> there (I already asked), nor any other European
> countries, I guess.
> Now, can I remove my helmet when I cross the nearby
> Swedish border?
> Man, do we need international conventions or what?
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Great story Noel. This is the kind of stuff we can
all learn from no matter which engine we have. One or
2 errors out of the whole plane's construction and the
difference is great.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> My "Kitfox" tach was even further out at the top
> end. I was losing about
> 250 rpm/ 1000 actual rpm. E.g. when the Kitfox tach
> was reading 2000 the
> actual speed was around 1500. When the Kitfox tach
> was reading 6000 actual
> rpm was close to 4500.
>
> I was using 6600-6800 rpm for take off and getting
> absolutely terrible
> results.... No wonder actual rpm was 4800-4900. It
> is a miracle to me that
> I was actually able to get the mod III-A off the
> water at close to gross
> weight.
>
> Since installing the tiny tach I have been most
> happy with the performance.
> My EGTs are very consistent and except for the first
> twenty seconds after
> starting the engine cold there is very little
> vibration.
>
> The fellow who originally built the plane once told
> me that he was very
> disappointed in the 582. He said if he had it to do
> again he would have
> installed the 912. When I got the plane from the
> second owner I was told
> there were some concerns about the engine cooling
> and the plane didn't seem
> to pull the way other 'Foxes did. Between having
> the expansion bottle
> plumbed to the high pressure side of the cooling
> system and the faulty tach
> I'm not surprised!
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: props for Guy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Mike,
Glad you have found that a Tiny tach helps you as well.
582s like to run 2100 + for smooth operation it seems. I am quite happy
with mine.
I see by your email that you are in Ontario. I am looking forward for some
great flying days this fall. Hope fully we an get a gaggle of Kitfoxes in
SW ontario to meet for breakfast one day. I think there are about 10 to 20
in Southern Ontario area
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>
> Dave,
> I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously inaccurate. I have
> just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the accuracy of the
> Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an optical
> tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated) and takeoff at 5700 rpm
> (6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop for 6500 rpm and
> adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
>
> The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
> probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I didn't have to
> change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
> shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
> Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft Services the
> engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a gearbox problem.
> Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a 10-20 hour
> period. After the rebuild with no other changes there was a wicked
> harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave! Remember that
> this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the Rotax tach. Now
> that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
>
> Mike Crutchlow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
> I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
>
> As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to disagree to
> a
> certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope if
> performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field flying.
> You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly helps alot as
> well.
> On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
>
> I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should certainly
> EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
>
> To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well you
> might
> as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib floats get
> off
> the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above should be at
> 100
> feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
>
> As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting works
> well
> for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run the needles
> on
> the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are getting a bit
> high
> now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day
> now I
> will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
> Egts a
> bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to confirm.
>
> Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as well as the
> Needles and jetting.
>
> Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a
> tiny
> tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are running
> at
> 6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even 7400
> rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>
>> Guy,
>> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
>> forget
>> all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
> whatever....Adjust
>> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
> flight
>> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when you
> put
>> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
> throttle
>> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
> stabilized
>> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150 ball
>
>> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
>> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the last
>
>> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not
> try
>> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you
>> get.....
>>
>> Don Smythe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my
>>> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip so
>
>>> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
>>> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange,
>>> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have much of a
>>> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
>>> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be
>>> linear with rpm, so that if I run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
> 5800.
>>>
>>>
>>> Guy Buchanan
>>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Dave,
Even with the "bad" tach, the 582 performed very well. These Kitfoxes
are amazing compared to some of the production line planes like the
Cessna 152 that I trained in.
There are 2 Kitfoxes on our field just north of Waterdown (Hamilton). It
would be good to get a number of them together for breakfast.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: October 10, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Mike,
Glad you have found that a Tiny tach helps you as well.
582s like to run 2100 + for smooth operation it seems. I am quite
happy
with mine.
I see by your email that you are in Ontario. I am looking forward for
some
great flying days this fall. Hope fully we an get a gaggle of Kitfoxes
in
SW ontario to meet for breakfast one day. I think there are about 10 to
20
in Southern Ontario area
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
> --> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>
> Dave,
> I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously inaccurate. I have
> just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the accuracy of
> the Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an
> optical tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated) and takeoff
> at 5700 rpm (6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop for 6500
> rpm and adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
>
> The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
> probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I didn't have to
> change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
> shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
> Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft Services
> the engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a gearbox
> problem. Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a
> 10-20 hour period. After the rebuild with no other changes there was a
> wicked harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave!
> Remember that this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the
> Rotax tach. Now that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
>
> Mike Crutchlow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
> I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
>
> As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to disagree
> to a certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope
> if performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field
> flying. You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly helps
> alot as well.
> On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
>
> I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should certainly
> EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
>
> To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well you
> might as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib
> floats get off
> the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above should be at
> 100
> feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
>
> As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting works
> well for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run the
> needles on
> the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are getting a bit
> high
> now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day
> now I
> will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
> Egts a
> bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to
confirm.
>
> Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as well as the
> Needles and jetting.
>
> Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a
> tiny
> tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are
running
> at
> 6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even
> 7400 rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>
>> Guy,
>> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
>> forget all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
> whatever....Adjust
>> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
> flight
>> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when
>> you
> put
>> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
> throttle
>> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
> stabilized
>> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150
>> ball
>
>> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
>> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the
>> last
>
>> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not
> try
>> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you
>> get.....
>>
>> Don Smythe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my
>>> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip
>>> so
>
>>> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
>>> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange,
>>> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have much of a
>>> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
>>> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be linear with rpm, so that if I
>>> run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
> 5800.
>>>
>>>
>>> Guy Buchanan
>>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: props for Guy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Mike, 3 of us flew to Reeces corners for breakfast on Sunday near
Sarnia.
Where would you propose a good place to go on a Saturday or Sunday ?
I am certainly game for grass,field, beach or a paved runway.
Yes the Kitfoxes are great !
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>
> Dave,
>
> Even with the "bad" tach, the 582 performed very well. These Kitfoxes
> are amazing compared to some of the production line planes like the
> Cessna 152 that I trained in.
>
> There are 2 Kitfoxes on our field just north of Waterdown (Hamilton). It
> would be good to get a number of them together for breakfast.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: October 10, 2006 8:07 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Glad you have found that a Tiny tach helps you as well.
>
> 582s like to run 2100 + for smooth operation it seems. I am quite
> happy
> with mine.
> I see by your email that you are in Ontario. I am looking forward for
> some
> great flying days this fall. Hope fully we an get a gaggle of Kitfoxes
> in
> SW ontario to meet for breakfast one day. I think there are about 10 to
> 20
> in Southern Ontario area
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
>> --> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>>
>> Dave,
>> I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously inaccurate. I have
>> just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the accuracy of
>> the Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an
>> optical tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated) and takeoff
>> at 5700 rpm (6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop for 6500
>> rpm and adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
>>
>> The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
>> probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I didn't have to
>> change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
>> shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
>> Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft Services
>> the engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a gearbox
>> problem. Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a
>> 10-20 hour period. After the rebuild with no other changes there was a
>
>> wicked harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave!
>> Remember that this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the
>> Rotax tach. Now that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
>>
>> Mike Crutchlow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
>> I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
>>
>> As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to disagree
>> to a certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope
>> if performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field
>> flying. You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly helps
>
>> alot as well.
>> On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
>>
>> I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should certainly
>
>> EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
>>
>> To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well you
>
>> might as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib
>> floats get off
>> the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above should be at
>> 100
>> feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
>>
>> As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting works
>
>> well for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run the
>> needles on
>> the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are getting a bit
>> high
>> now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day
>> now I
>> will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
>> Egts a
>> bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to
> confirm.
>>
>> Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as well as the
>
>> Needles and jetting.
>>
>> Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a
>> tiny
>> tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are
> running
>> at
>> 6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even
>> 7400 rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>
>>> Guy,
>>> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
>>> forget all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
>> whatever....Adjust
>>> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
>> flight
>>> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when
>>> you
>> put
>>> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
>> throttle
>>> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
>> stabilized
>>> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150
>>> ball
>>
>>> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
>>> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the
>>> last
>>
>>> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not
>> try
>>> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you
>>> get.....
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize my
>
>>>> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip
>>>> so
>>
>>>> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
>>>> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange,
>>>> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have much of a
>>>> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
>>>> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be linear with rpm, so that if I
>
>>>> run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
>> 5800.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guy Buchanan
>>>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
Sorry to hear this Richard, I was looking forward to it weather permitting.
Also sorry we could not get together at the Jenison airport as well. I don't know
which flight instructor you talked with, but one in particular really likes
the sound of my 912 on departure.
Thanks
Bill W.
Chili Hop - CANCELLED
.......... due to forecasted weather and field condition.
Maybe another time - great weather - same or another place.
Sorry this didn't work out.
I think we were up to 7 pilots (KF owners or interests) and 6 Kitfoxes.
Enjoy some Chili at home...
- let's keep trying for a meet-up .....
--------------------------------------------
I stopped by Riverside Airport in Jenision, MI, (Bill Willyard's home base) just
East of Grand Rapids, on an unplanned drive late last week.... I asked if Bill
might be around. An instructor said.... Yeh, I know who your talking about..
WHAT a BEAUTIFUL airplane he has!
... It was a beautiful day Bill. Sorry I missed you.
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--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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Lowell,
Thanks for the work on the list - I think it is great information and I
agree the more information the better. Somehow I got missed also so my
info is:
Series 7 (in process) 912ULS, Sandpoint, Idaho.
Don McIntosh
don@contractorsnorthwest.com
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> Bill W. sez .... Sorry to hear this Richard, I was looking forward to it weather
permitting.
> Also sorry we could not get together at the Jenison airport as well. I don't
know which flight instructor you talked with, but one in particular really likes
the sound of my 912 on departure.
>
> Thanks
> Bill W.
>
Weve not managed to push back this first blast of winter. Hopefully there will
be a long fall after this cold wave.
Yes Bill, that's the one.....he liked the sight, AND the sound of your Fox.
Lynn, you may want to drop in with your Jabaru sound. (though it may not be audible
over the marching band. Spotters are posted all over the state... ?where
will he go first? )
--------------
Well you guys... at least you're all flying.
I know we'll find an opportunity to get together one of these days.
......
Opps, correction on previous message - Jenison/Riverview is WEST of G.R.
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66942#66942
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Hi Lowell,
looks like I missed the list too.
Eric Woronko
Tulsa, Oklahoma
rebuilding Mod IV Speedster, 912 UL
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Member List
> Attached is the latest update of the list of members and what they are
> flying etc.
>
> I have had suggestions that we include occupations to round out the names.
> Also it has been suggested that we include builders as very few builders
> have responded to be included on the list. For me, and my understanding
> of
> the fleet, I would like to see empty wts. and maybe some performance
> numbers, i.e., climb and cruise. This could get big, but in my mind the
> bigger it is the more useful it will be to those building and thinking of
> building or buying. I was at Show and Shine last Saturday and next to my
> airplane, I posted an Idaho Division of Aeronotics map with dots on all
> the
> airports the group has flown to with some thumbnail pictures and that
> developed a lot of interest. Two guys called me later that evening
> interested in Kitfox - and this from a Hot Rod show with just a few
> airplanes for interest.
>
> If it is desired by a significant part of the group without some
> convincing
> negative feelings, I would be happy over the next few days - weeks to also
> cull out the e-mail addresses from those responding and add them too.
>
> Lowell
>
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Richard-
I got most of the oral out of the way today, but previous time
commitments took the examiner away before it, and the ride itself,
could be finished. We're hoping for tomorrow, but rain may dampen that
parade. My instructor and the examiner went for a ride so that the
examiner could see how a Kitfox handles...he loves it.
I had an interesting landing after leaving my instructors place and
headed for lunch at Napoleon (3NP). I had loaded up my briefcase into
the passenger seat and did the checklists for starting, etc., got down
to the takeoff end of the runway, did the "before takeoff checklist"
and took off. I came in on niner at 3NP, let it down in a slip over the
trees, and began to flare at the appropriate time, and my stick
wouldn't pull all the way back. I gave it some power and eased it down,
and got it in alright, but it was scary. Taxied to the parking spot and
began looking at what could have caused the stick to come up
short....you guessed it...the briefcase was turned the long way in the
seat and blocked the stick. Just then my instructor pulled up in his
truck. I told him that I really learned something today, and told him
what happened, and he was surprised, saying that it looked like a nice
landing to him. Another lesson learned. I had taken the briefcase with
me before, but had always strapped it up against the seat back before.
This time I was hurrying to get to the airport lot before my instructor
did so we could go to lunch. What's that old song about "get there
itis?" This is one for MY book that's for sure!
Not only did I learn about getting in a hurry, but also about just
going through the motions about these checklists. I did the "flight
controls free and correct" but got a little bit lacking on the "free"
part of it. Guess I'll have to write "free and correct" a hundred times
on the blackboard tonight. : )
The seaplane has flown...and has some issues with the landing gear not
being all that it could be, like breaking once and bending once. The
weak part is the axle or spindle. He is going to get some training for
his less-than-perfect landings, so maybe that will help. He is going to
get a hangar at 3NP today, and my instructor will see to it that he
gets some help before he flies it again.
Lynn
do not archive
On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 04:55 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
> <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
>
>> show off my temporary SP license
>
>
> You're clearly motivated Lynn. Thanks for sharing your story as you
> near the mark. Sorry this carrot's gone. I know the cheers will fly
> when you do, with your new paperwork!
>
> If we could manage to push back winter just a week!
> or............ just relay your news and we'll strike up the band.
>
> If you feel like flying..(ha).. there's a known good dry grass (sand
> and good drainage) at Newman's (4NO) just NW of Kalamazoo. A chapter
> 221 member has a house and hanger there ... so that's a possibility or
> maybe your new book has some other places.
>
> If you want some pavement practice... BEH is always an option.
> ... or some nice day I'll head over your way....
>
> Hey? is you're friends seaplane going to see the water before it
> freezes?
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66797#66797
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Lowell:
Go ahead and use my E-mail address and anything else you want. I won't give
you my bank account number, not that I think you would empty it, just, I
might be embarrassed :-)
Winds here today are 15 G 25 according to the closest METAR. Of course it
is almost 30 miles inland and I'm right on the coast. Lots of
whitecaps..... No planes!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Member List
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
>
> Hi Lowell,
> looks like I missed the list too.
> Eric Woronko
> Tulsa, Oklahoma
> rebuilding Mod IV Speedster, 912 UL
> Eric
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:36 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Member List
>
>
> > Attached is the latest update of the list of members and
> what they are
> > flying etc.
> >
> > I have had suggestions that we include occupations to round
> out the names.
> > Also it has been suggested that we include builders as very
> few builders
> > have responded to be included on the list. For me, and my
> understanding
> > of
> > the fleet, I would like to see empty wts. and maybe some performance
> > numbers, i.e., climb and cruise. This could get big, but
> in my mind the
> > bigger it is the more useful it will be to those building
> and thinking of
> > building or buying. I was at Show and Shine last Saturday
> and next to my
> > airplane, I posted an Idaho Division of Aeronotics map with
> dots on all
> > the
> > airports the group has flown to with some thumbnail
> pictures and that
> > developed a lot of interest. Two guys called me later that evening
> > interested in Kitfox - and this from a Hot Rod show with just a few
> > airplanes for interest.
> >
> > If it is desired by a significant part of the group without some
> > convincing
> > negative feelings, I would be happy over the next few days
> - weeks to also
> > cull out the e-mail addresses from those responding and add
> them too.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
One decent dent in the aft fuselage of the 152 and it's grounded until that
skin is replaced. That's one of the weaknesses of a monocoque construction.
I worked on a Super Cub that arrived here with the whole tail bent over a
good twenty degrees. The pilot said he didn't notice it..... I think he
was the one who bent it. Tube frame aircraft are a lot tougher than a lot
of people think.
That's another story.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike Crutchlow
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>
> Dave,
>
> Even with the "bad" tach, the 582 performed very well. These Kitfoxes
> are amazing compared to some of the production line planes like the
> Cessna 152 that I trained in.
>
> There are 2 Kitfoxes on our field just north of Waterdown
> (Hamilton). It
> would be good to get a number of them together for breakfast.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: October 10, 2006 8:07 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Glad you have found that a Tiny tach helps you as well.
>
> 582s like to run 2100 + for smooth operation it seems. I am quite
> happy
> with mine.
> I see by your email that you are in Ontario. I am looking
> forward for
> some
> great flying days this fall. Hope fully we an get a gaggle
> of Kitfoxes
> in
> SW ontario to meet for breakfast one day. I think there are
> about 10 to
> 20
> in Southern Ontario area
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
> > --> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
> >
> > Dave,
> > I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously
> inaccurate. I have
> > just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the accuracy of
> > the Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an
> > optical tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated)
> and takeoff
> > at 5700 rpm (6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop
> for 6500
> > rpm and adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
> >
> > The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
> > probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I
> didn't have to
> > change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
> > shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
> > Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft Services
> > the engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a gearbox
> > problem. Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a
> > 10-20 hour period. After the rebuild with no other changes
> there was a
>
> > wicked harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave!
> > Remember that this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the
> > Rotax tach. Now that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
> >
> > Mike Crutchlow
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >
> > Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
> > I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
> >
> > As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have
> to disagree
> > to a certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide
> envelope
> > if performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field
> > flying. You guys have to remember that pilot technique
> certainly helps
>
> > alot as well.
> > On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
> >
> > I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and
> should certainly
>
> > EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
> >
> > To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off
> , well you
>
> > might as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib
> > floats get off
> > the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as above
> should be at
> > 100
> > feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
> >
> > As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock
> jetting works
>
> > well for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F .
> I run the
> > needles on
> > the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are
> getting a bit
> > high
> > now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is
> due any day
> > now I
> > will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
> > Egts a
> > bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to
> confirm.
> >
> > Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as
> well as the
>
> > Needles and jetting.
> >
> > Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX
> tach. Get a
> > tiny
> > tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are
> running
> > at
> > 6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even
> > 7400 rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> >>
> >> Guy,
> >> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
> >> forget all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
> > whatever....Adjust
> >> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
> > flight
> >> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when
> >> you
> > put
> >> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
> > throttle
> >> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
> > stabilized
> >> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150
> >> ball
> >
> >> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
> >> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the
> >> last
> >
> >> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your
> engine and not
> > try
> >> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get
> is what you
> >> get.....
> >>
> >> Don Smythe
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>
> >>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could
> optimize my
>
> >>> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees
> at the tip
> >>> so
> >
> >>> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
> >>> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing
> that's strange,
> >>> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have
> much of a
> >>> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
> >>> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be linear with rpm,
> so that if I
>
> >>> run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
> > 5800.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Guy Buchanan
> >>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Dave,
I haven't flown much out of my area here. I'm not sure of a suitable
place.
Mike
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: October 10, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Mike, 3 of us flew to Reeces corners for breakfast on Sunday near
Sarnia.
Where would you propose a good place to go on a Saturday or Sunday ? I
am certainly game for grass,field, beach or a paved runway.
Yes the Kitfoxes are great !
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
> --> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>
> Dave,
>
> Even with the "bad" tach, the 582 performed very well. These Kitfoxes
> are amazing compared to some of the production line planes like the
> Cessna 152 that I trained in.
>
> There are 2 Kitfoxes on our field just north of Waterdown (Hamilton).
> It would be good to get a number of them together for breakfast.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: October 10, 2006 8:07 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Glad you have found that a Tiny tach helps you as well.
>
> 582s like to run 2100 + for smooth operation it seems. I am quite
> happy with mine.
> I see by your email that you are in Ontario. I am looking forward
for
> some
> great flying days this fall. Hope fully we an get a gaggle of
Kitfoxes
> in
> SW ontario to meet for breakfast one day. I think there are about 10
to
> 20
> in Southern Ontario area
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Crutchlow" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Crutchlow"
>> --> <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
>>
>> Dave,
>> I can confirm that Rotax tachs can be notoriously inaccurate. I have
>> just put a Tiny Tach in my Kitfox II (582) to check the accuracy of
>> the Rotax and found a 500 rpm error. This was confirmed with an
>> optical tach. My idle had been 1500 rpm (2000 indicated) and takeoff
>> at 5700 rpm (6300 indicated). I've since repitched the prop for 6500
>> rpm and adjusted the idle to 2100 rpm using the Tiny Tach.
>>
>> The reason for suspecting the tach was a gearbox failure (E-box)
>> probably caused by the low idle rpm. The only things I didn't have to
>> change in the gearbox was the case, the sprag clutch and the output
>> shaft. I bought the plane with 125 hours and have just turned 138.
>> Failure was at 137. Prior to the rebuild by Light Aircraft Services
>> the engine idled smoothly and there was no indication of a gearbox
>> problem. Bob Robertson suspected that the failure happened over a
>> 10-20 hour period. After the rebuild with no other changes there was
>> a
>
>> wicked harmonic at idle. The blades were creating a 2" sine wave!
>> Remember that this is a 1500 rpm idle but shown as 2000 rpm by the
>> Rotax tach. Now that it is up to 2100 rpm things are smooth again.
>>
>> Mike Crutchlow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: October 9, 2006 9:12 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Don, Good points on the prop......... set it and forget it !!
>> I just posted simular numbers in my last post I just sent.
>>
>> As far as forgeting to get off in 200 feet , well I have to disagree
>> to a certain extent. Kitfoxes are a great plane with a wide envelope
>> if performance and they certainly do excell at STOL and off field
>> flying. You guys have to remember that pilot technique certainly
>> helps
>
>> alot as well.
>> On paved surfaces your take off runs should be shorter.
>>
>> I think that Guy has a approx 600 pound IV Kitfox and should
>> certainly
>
>> EASILY be capable of enjoying flying his Kitfox and many others do.
>>
>> To be honest , a 582 Kitfox that takes 900 feet to take off , well
>> you
>
>> might as well have a C 152 ....... My Kitfox Dual at 80F on amphib
>> floats get off the runway in less that 800 feet.. A 582 Kitfox as
>> above should be at 100
>> feet agl min. after 900 not just taking off.
>>
>> As far as re - jetting etc , in my opinion that a stock jetting
>> works
>
>> well for me all year round and I fly from -15 F to 100F . I run the
>> needles on the 3 rd notch down from spring to falll. My Egts are
>> getting a bit high
>> now ands I think on next plug change at 50 hours which is due any day
>> now I
>> will drop the clip on needle valve to bottom notch. That should drop
>> Egts a
>> bit. I run 1100 to 1200 with no issues but CHECK your Plugs to
> confirm.
>>
>> Prop pitching is very important ot keeping EGTs in line as well as
>> the
>
>> Needles and jetting.
>>
>> Also , one last note is on RPM -- do not trust a ROTAX tach. Get a
>> tiny
>> tach !! They 30 or 40$ and you might be thinking that you are
> running
>> at
>> 6800 WOT but get a tiny to confirm if you at 6800, 6200 or even
>> 7400 rpm -Rtoax tachs are notorious for be not accurate.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: props for Guy
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>
>>> Guy,
>>> I haven't followed this thread too close either but try this,
>>> forget all there is about getting off the ground in 200' or
>> whatever....Adjust
>>> the prop so that you get 6799 (short of 6800 max) RPM's in level
>> flight
>>> with full throttle. You will have to hold some forward stick when
>>> you
>> put
>>> in full throttle to get that level flight. Just hold that full
>> throttle
>>> for a short time (less than 1 min) until you have everything
>> stabilized
>>> out. You want to have near 6800 RPM and EGT's running about 1150
>>> ball
>>
>>> park. Re jet or re pitch to get those numbers.
>>> This is the procedure that I have used and heard about for the
>>> last
>>
>>> many years. The name of the game is be nice to your engine and not
>> try
>>> for 5 more MPH or pick up 100' climb rate. What you get is what you
>>> get.....
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the JC Propeller software to see if I could optimize
>>>> my
>
>>>> prop and it wants me to increase my pitch to 13 degrees at the tip
>>>> so
>>
>>>> I may try that. That's certainly not going to decrease my takeoff
>>>> roll, though it might increase my cruise. One thing that's strange,
>>>> though, is that the software doesn't think I should have much of a
>>>> speed variation between a cruise at 65hp / 6500rpm and 58hp /
>>>> 5800rpm. To me the variation should be linear with rpm, so that if
>>>> I
>
>>>> run 92mph at 6500 I will see 82mph at
>> 5800.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guy Buchanan
>>>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" <klschooley@hotmail.com>
I am also interested........Kitfox Vixen 912UL
Ken Schooley
>From: "Don W. McIntosh" <don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Member List
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:55:03 -0700
>
>Lowell,
>
>Thanks for the work on the list - I think it is great information and I
>agree the more information the better. Somehow I got missed also so my
>info is:
>
>Series 7 (in process) 912ULS, Sandpoint, Idaho.
>
>
>Don McIntosh
>
>don@contractorsnorthwest.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Good advice, Jose, but my instructor hasn't mentioned it since very
early on, and I'm sold on this instructor and so is everybody around
these parts. I will ask him about it though.
Lynn
On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 04:51 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn:
>
> You mentioned in your e-mail that you haven't get
> training on wheel landings from your instructor. What
> will happen if you are asked to do a wheel landing
> during your check ride this week?
>
> Your instructor should have provide you that training
> before the endorsement. For some reason that I don't
> understand, some TD pilots avoid wheel landings and
> that include CFIs. There is nothing wrong with wheel
> landings! As a matter of fact, on a plane with the
> weight of a Kitfox IV, it may happen that one day you
> need to land in strong, cross-wind, and a wheel
> landing is the ONLY right way to do that landing.
> Believe me, if the model II can handle strong cross
> wind, the model IV with the bigger rudder can do it
> better.
>
> My recommendation is that, if your CFI avoids
> providing that kind of training, get another CFI.
>
>> From you previous postings, I can tell that you will
> do great in your check ride, as long as you are not
> asked to perform a wheel landing (hope the DPE is not
> following this list). Good luck in your checkride,
> will be waiting for the good new!
>
> Jose
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn - more input |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I am not familiar with the checkout that you are getting but I would like an
instructor to be able to teach me as much as possible on every flight and
with indepth training on the different takeoffs and landings that you will
have to do sometimes and at the most in-opportune times. Practice might
not make perfect but it will certainly be an attribute both you and your
plane when put in many different scenarios.
eg short field take off and landing with 75 foot trees at both ends of 1200
foot strips.
- soft field and even some mild off field or at least grass runways.
- forced approaches
- slow flight, clean and with various flaps at near stall speed eg if you
stall at 35 IAS then fly at 38 IAS and be able to show that you have
positive control.
- and sure wheel landings as well as being able to land in one wheel and
run straight down the runway on one main only.
I might seem a bit critical but when you need to know it it good the know
that you can do it and is a great confidence builder.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Landings - Lynn
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Good advice, Jose, but my instructor hasn't mentioned it since very early
> on, and I'm sold on this instructor and so is everybody around these
> parts. I will ask him about it though.
>
> Lynn
> On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 04:51 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Lynn:
>>
>> You mentioned in your e-mail that you haven't get
>> training on wheel landings from your instructor. What
>> will happen if you are asked to do a wheel landing
>> during your check ride this week?
>>
>> Your instructor should have provide you that training
>> before the endorsement. For some reason that I don't
>> understand, some TD pilots avoid wheel landings and
>> that include CFIs. There is nothing wrong with wheel
>> landings! As a matter of fact, on a plane with the
>> weight of a Kitfox IV, it may happen that one day you
>> need to land in strong, cross-wind, and a wheel
>> landing is the ONLY right way to do that landing.
>> Believe me, if the model II can handle strong cross
>> wind, the model IV with the bigger rudder can do it
>> better.
>>
>> My recommendation is that, if your CFI avoids
>> providing that kind of training, get another CFI.
>>
>>> From you previous postings, I can tell that you will
>> do great in your check ride, as long as you are not
>> asked to perform a wheel landing (hope the DPE is not
>> following this list). Good luck in your checkride,
>> will be waiting for the good new!
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hi Guy,
What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times and
yet no
one has responded
I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox flying
with
excellent short field performance.
I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes
perform
..
Dave
I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the Blue Avid to
lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
speed then we might have a comparison,
Rex.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
For the past few months, I've noticed tiny bits of rust colored crud in the fuel
when I draw from the gascolator. It started as a tiny bit that would go away
after draining a mall amount of fuel so I didn't worry too much (though it was
always on my mind). Today, after not flying for over a month, I found that it's
gotten much worse. Some of the bits are much larger now, like small flakes
of rust. I've heard that auto fuel can attack the lining of the wing tanks. Does
this sound like what I could be seeing?
Luis Rodriguez
N824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67043#67043
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| Subject: | Re: Crud in my fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
You might check your gas caps and filler necks for
corrosion.
Just an idea to start.
Kurt S.
--- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> For the past few months, I've noticed tiny bits of
> rust colored crud in the fuel when I draw from the
> gascolator. It started as a tiny bit that would go
> away after draining a mall amount of fuel so I
> didn't worry too much (though it was always on my
> mind). Today, after not flying for over a month, I
> found that it's gotten much worse. Some of the bits
> are much larger now, like small flakes of rust. I've
> heard that auto fuel can attack the lining of the
> wing tanks. Does this sound like what I could be
> seeing?
>
> Luis Rodriguez
> N824KF
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
My first instructor demonstrated a couple of wheel landings in my Kitfox but he
never bothered to train me with them. He didn't seem to think that it was necissary.
That instructor has since taken a job with the FAA so I had to find another
one. The new guy jumped right into wheel landings. In factm, he didn't let
me do another three pointer until I had the wheel landings down. After all
is said and done, I'm convinced that my original instructor was much more in tune
with what the local examiners are looking for. He actually put me in contact
with two examiners who would do my check ride in the kitfox while my current
instructor didn't think anyone would test me in my 'ultralight' (his words).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67050#67050
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| Subject: | Re: Crud in my fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Do not know how old the tank is but I have seen flakes like that come from
really old planes that were on avgas 80. I think from the red dye. I do not
think that is your case.
dwight
At 05:20 PM 10/10/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>For the past few months, I've noticed tiny bits of rust colored crud in
>the fuel when I draw from the gascolator. It started as a tiny bit that
>would go away after draining a mall amount of fuel so I didn't worry too
>much (though it was always on my mind). Today, after not flying for over a
>month, I found that it's gotten much worse. Some of the bits are much
>larger now, like small flakes of rust. I've heard that auto fuel can
>attack the lining of the wing tanks. Does this sound like what I could be
>seeing?
>
>Luis Rodriguez
>N824KF
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67043#67043
>
>
>--
>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
--
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Rex,
I have flown that Avid and it won't come off nearly as quick as my
Kitfox or the Kitfox 1 in video. Why? I have no idea but it climbs
real well one off the ground.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Video
Hi Guy,
What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times and
yet no
one has responded
I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox
flying with
excellent short field performance.
I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes
perform
..
Dave
I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the Blue Avid to
lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
speed then we might have a comparison,
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Electrical system |
Dave,
If you haven't done so yet...take a look at Bob Nuckolls site (the Aeroelectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com/ ) . In my opinion, Bob is the leading expert on aeronautical wiring. He puts out a book (by the same name)that will give you great ideas and schematics for wiring. There is also a couple of schematics for Rotax engines should you be going that direction. He would be the go-to guy to ask how to do what you are entertaining. Not to say we don't have a plethera of knowledge here...but wanted to make you aware of Nuckolls.
Dan B.
KF 314DW Building
Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane
Some time back an individual on the list explained that they had installed two
batteries with the aux alternator which basically ended up as redundant
charging/storage systems for their kitfox.
If this person is lurking around out there, would you contact me off list? I
also have the aux alternator and see a lot of value in being able to back up
the electrical system with some clever wiring. I am interested in how you
hooked up your system
Thanks,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Crud in my fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Luis,
I recall this issue being mentioned in the past. Unfortunately, I had a
birthday last week and am now too old to remember what the conclusion was if
any. I recall in my airplane something similar a time or two. I rubbed it
between my fingers and it was not hard like rust flakes, but more pasty as I
racall.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Crud in my fuel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> For the past few months, I've noticed tiny bits of rust colored crud in
> the fuel when I draw from the gascolator. It started as a tiny bit that
> would go away after draining a mall amount of fuel so I didn't worry too
> much (though it was always on my mind). Today, after not flying for over a
> month, I found that it's gotten much worse. Some of the bits are much
> larger now, like small flakes of rust. I've heard that auto fuel can
> attack the lining of the wing tanks. Does this sound like what I could be
> seeing?
>
> Luis Rodriguez
> N824KF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67043#67043
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Well, I have to say I did learn the wheel landing in a Cub first, but I had
heard that it is much harder in the fox with the short wheel base on the
bungee gear. So I never wanted to even try it , as another fox flyer had
almost spun off the runnway a few times even with the Grove gear trying the
wheel landings.
After 150 hours in my Fox I went up in the Fox -4 with a local flying Guru
to put me through the wringers in my plane. Man did I learn Alot about the
Fox. Wheel landings, one wheel landings, flap landings( lots of it, flaps
that is.) ............
The wheel landing really helped me out this Sunday to make a nice landing
like Ive not had in a while in Gusty,variable winds. Tailwind, to a 90 deg,
to a big balloon, to no wind tto tail..... fought it all the way down, and
planted the two frt wheel on, backed off on the gas , ailerons, and only
used 1/4 the 3200 ft runway to turn off.
With otu that technic, I would have at least pounded it on and fished all
over the place. I am not by far experianced in it to give advice, but now
that I have learned it, I will try it every time now.
Hope this helps,
Jay Fabian
model 4-1200 912
PS, the instructors never really taught how to REALLY Slip your plane all
the way to the ground, and to skip the Flaps. That was in the 152/172
lessons 10 years ago. I feel I have wWay more control over the decent with
the slip too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Landings - Lynn
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Good advice, Jose, but my instructor hasn't mentioned it since very early
> on, and I'm sold on this instructor and so is everybody around these
> parts. I will ask him about it though.
>
> Lynn
> On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 04:51 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Lynn:
>>
>> You mentioned in your e-mail that you haven't get
>> training on wheel landings from your instructor. What
>> will happen if you are asked to do a wheel landing
>> during your check ride this week?
>>
>> Your instructor should have provide you that training
>> before the endorsement. For some reason that I don't
>> understand, some TD pilots avoid wheel landings and
>> that include CFIs. There is nothing wrong with wheel
>> landings! As a matter of fact, on a plane with the
>> weight of a Kitfox IV, it may happen that one day you
>> need to land in strong, cross-wind, and a wheel
>> landing is the ONLY right way to do that landing.
>> Believe me, if the model II can handle strong cross
>> wind, the model IV with the bigger rudder can do it
>> better.
>>
>> My recommendation is that, if your CFI avoids
>> providing that kind of training, get another CFI.
>>
>>> From you previous postings, I can tell that you will
>> do great in your check ride, as long as you are not
>> asked to perform a wheel landing (hope the DPE is not
>> following this list). Good luck in your checkride,
>> will be waiting for the good new!
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crud in my fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Happy birth day. Wish I had caught you last week when you still had some memory
cells left :-)
Didn't occur to me to touch the stuff. I guess that might have been informative.
I'll try that tomorrow.
> I recall this issue being mentioned in the past. Unfortunately, I had a birthday
last week and am now too old to remember what the conclusion was if any.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Look at the fuel fills, very prone to rust.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Crud in my fuel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
For the past few months, I've noticed tiny bits of rust colored crud in
the fuel when I draw from the gascolator. It started as a tiny bit that
would go away after draining a mall amount of fuel so I didn't worry too
much (though it was always on my mind). Today, after not flying for over
a month, I found that it's gotten much worse. Some of the bits are much
larger now, like small flakes of rust. I've heard that auto fuel can
attack the lining of the wing tanks. Does this sound like what I could
be seeing?
Luis Rodriguez
N824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67043#67043
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| Subject: | Re: Watvliet, MI - Chili Hop Flyin (10/15/06) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Lynn,
You're gaining and sharing lots of experience.
I recall you suggesting 'I' be careful. Same to you, buddy.
Second chances don't always happen. Glad your story had a happy ending.
Wheel landings....
I'm no expert, but enjoyed the challange of learning (in a Champ)
Will pursue again if / when wheels go on.
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Luis is the "rust" immediately there like it formed in the gascolator, or
did it flow a while before showing. The gascolator itself may be at tbo.
Ron NB Ore
>From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Crud in my fuel
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:20:35 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>For the past few months, I've noticed tiny bits of rust colored crud in the
>fuel when I draw from the gascolator. It started as a tiny bit that would
>go away after draining a mall amount of fuel so I didn't worry too much
>(though it was always on my mind). Today, after not flying for over a
>month, I found that it's gotten much worse. Some of the bits are much
>larger now, like small flakes of rust. I've heard that auto fuel can attack
>the lining of the wing tanks. Does this sound like what I could be seeing?
>
>Luis Rodriguez
>N824KF
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67043#67043
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard D'Archangel" <rdarchangel@earthlink.net>
When you take off, you never really know what the conditions will be
when you are landing. Under certain circumstances, wheel landings are
the only safe alternative. Ergo, (which is a fancy way of saying
"therefore"), it's essential that you learn to make wheel landings in
your fox. And it lots of fun, once you get the hang of it!
Dick
Jay Fabian wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
> <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
> Well, I have to say I did learn the wheel landing in a Cub first, but
> I had heard that it is much harder in the fox with the short wheel
> base on the bungee gear. So I never wanted to even try it , as another
> fox flyer had almost spun off the runnway a few times even with the
> Grove gear trying the wheel landings.
>
> After 150 hours in my Fox I went up in the Fox -4 with a local flying
> Guru to put me through the wringers in my plane. Man did I learn Alot
> about the Fox. Wheel landings, one wheel landings, flap landings( lots
> of it, flaps that is.) ............
>
> The wheel landing really helped me out this Sunday to make a nice
> landing like Ive not had in a while in Gusty,variable winds. Tailwind,
> to a 90 deg, to a big balloon, to no wind tto tail..... fought it
> all the way down, and planted the two frt wheel on, backed off on the
> gas , ailerons, and only used 1/4 the 3200 ft runway to turn off.
>
> With otu that technic, I would have at least pounded it on and fished
> all over the place. I am not by far experianced in it to give advice,
> but now that I have learned it, I will try it every time now.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Jay Fabian
> model 4-1200 912
>
> PS, the instructors never really taught how to REALLY Slip your plane
> all the way to the ground, and to skip the Flaps. That was in the
> 152/172 lessons 10 years ago. I feel I have wWay more control over the
> decent with the slip too.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Landings - Lynn
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Good advice, Jose, but my instructor hasn't mentioned it since very
>> early on, and I'm sold on this instructor and so is everybody around
>> these parts. I will ask him about it though.
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 04:51 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>>> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Lynn:
>>>
>>> You mentioned in your e-mail that you haven't get
>>> training on wheel landings from your instructor. What
>>> will happen if you are asked to do a wheel landing
>>> during your check ride this week?
>>>
>>> Your instructor should have provide you that training
>>> before the endorsement. For some reason that I don't
>>> understand, some TD pilots avoid wheel landings and
>>> that include CFIs. There is nothing wrong with wheel
>>> landings! As a matter of fact, on a plane with the
>>> weight of a Kitfox IV, it may happen that one day you
>>> need to land in strong, cross-wind, and a wheel
>>> landing is the ONLY right way to do that landing.
>>> Believe me, if the model II can handle strong cross
>>> wind, the model IV with the bigger rudder can do it
>>> better.
>>>
>>> My recommendation is that, if your CFI avoids
>>> providing that kind of training, get another CFI.
>>>
>>>> From you previous postings, I can tell that you will
>>>
>>> do great in your check ride, as long as you are not
>>> asked to perform a wheel landing (hope the DPE is not
>>> following this list). Good luck in your checkride,
>>> will be waiting for the good new!
>>>
>>> Jose
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
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