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1. 12:22 AM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (John Anderson)
2. 12:42 AM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (John Anderson)
3. 01:14 AM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:36 AM - Re: Stall speed (Dave G.)
5. 04:13 AM - Re: wheel landings (Dave)
6. 04:33 AM - Re: wheel landings (Dave)
7. 05:34 AM - Getting tail wheel up. (Rex Shaw)
8. 05:42 AM - Re: wheel landings (DC91840@aol.com)
9. 06:12 AM - Re: landings with Ed Downs (Jose M. Toro)
10. 06:17 AM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (Jose M. Toro)
11. 06:18 AM - Looking for S-5 Finishing Instructions (Tinne maha)
12. 06:30 AM - Re: wheel landings (Dave)
13. 06:33 AM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (Guy Buchanan)
14. 06:37 AM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (Jose M. Toro)
15. 06:40 AM - Re: two point landings (Jose M. Toro)
16. 07:21 AM - Re: Getting tail wheel up. (Dave)
17. 07:40 AM - Re: Stall speed (ron schick)
18. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn - more input (Lynn Matteson)
19. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (Lynn Matteson)
20. 09:38 AM - Re: Getting tail wheel up. (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:48 AM - Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (wingnut)
22. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (Lynn Matteson)
23. 12:49 PM - Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (wingnut)
24. 02:08 PM - Chili Re-Hop? (Nick Scholtes)
25. 02:56 PM - Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot (Glenn Horne)
26. 03:19 PM - Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn - more input (Trevor Leathem)
27. 06:19 PM - Re: Stall speed (Lynn Matteson)
28. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (Lynn Matteson)
29. 06:58 PM - Re: Chili Re-Hop? (Lynn Matteson)
30. 07:14 PM - Re: landings with Ed Downs (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
31. 07:27 PM - Re: Chili Re-Hop? (Richard Rabbers)
32. 07:50 PM - Re: bungie cords (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
33. 08:03 PM - Re: bungie cords (Jay Fabian)
34. 08:05 PM - Re: bungie cords (ron schick)
35. 08:40 PM - Re: bungie cords (Ben-PA)
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
HERE HERE!
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot
Got my vote........ on your quote "IMHO a tail dragger pilot that can't
perform a wheel landing is not a "compleat" (complete) taidragger pilot. I
may be wrong but this has been my experience.
Jose"
That being said, if your only destination becomes beyond your personal
limitation due to never being trained for example a wheel landing then what
do you do ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Jose M. Toro
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot
Dave:
If you do a three pointer on strong cross wind, the airplane will not
immediate transition into a car. The wings will still be flying and the
nose will point in direction to the wind because you don't have enough
rudder authority. This could be done ONLY if you have enough runway to
SAFELY align the plane with the wind. This may imply a diagonal or
perpendicular landing which, in most cases could not be safely or legally
performed.
As a pilot you need to recognize your limitations. I'm not instrument
rated, and my plane's equipment is limited to day VFR. This implies that,
by ALL means, I need to avoid weather and low visibility. Both my plane and
myself have a limitation. The same applies to tail dragger pilots and wheel
landings. If you are a taildragger pilot, and you can't perform wheel
landings, there are certain wind conditions that you need to avoid to insure
you can perform a safe landing, that you would not need to avoid if you can
perform a wheel landing. If a pilot cannot perfom a wheel landing in a
Kitfox, it is a pilot limitation but not a plane limitation. Kitfox are
very capable of handling cross wind, and that includes Model II which I used
to own. Refering to the title of an excellent book I read 13 years ago,
"The Compleat Taildragger Pilot", by Harvey S. Plourde, IMHO a tail dragger
pilot that can't perform a wheel landing is not a "compleat" (complete)
taidragger pilot. I may be wrong but this has been my experience.
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: "Aerobatics@aol.com" <Aerobatics@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:45:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
On a 3 pointer, you go from a plane to a car instantly with all 3 wheels
contacting.
So on certain conditions and if you dont mind using more runway, try a
wheeler. But not me.
Just another opinion....!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Begin the flare as normal, then when the tail just begins to drop a wee
check forward on the stick to touch mains and hold it there. Slight tail low
wheelers good in that the sting has gone out of the speed and stick
pressures not no critical
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot
Got my vote........ on your quote "IMHO a tail dragger pilot that can't
perform a wheel landing is not a "compleat" (complete) taidragger pilot. I
may be wrong but this has been my experience.
Jose"
That being said, if your only destination becomes beyond your personal
limitation due to never being trained for example a wheel landing then what
do you do ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Jose M. Toro
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot
Dave:
If you do a three pointer on strong cross wind, the airplane will not
immediate transition into a car. The wings will still be flying and the
nose will point in direction to the wind because you don't have enough
rudder authority. This could be done ONLY if you have enough runway to
SAFELY align the plane with the wind. This may imply a diagonal or
perpendicular landing which, in most cases could not be safely or legally
performed.
As a pilot you need to recognize your limitations. I'm not instrument
rated, and my plane's equipment is limited to day VFR. This implies that,
by ALL means, I need to avoid weather and low visibility. Both my plane and
myself have a limitation. The same applies to tail dragger pilots and wheel
landings. If you are a taildragger pilot, and you can't perform wheel
landings, there are certain wind conditions that you need to avoid to insure
you can perform a safe landing, that you would not need to avoid if you can
perform a wheel landing. If a pilot cannot perfom a wheel landing in a
Kitfox, it is a pilot limitation but not a plane limitation. Kitfox are
very capable of handling cross wind, and that includes Model II which I used
to own. Refering to the title of an excellent book I read 13 years ago,
"The Compleat Taildragger Pilot", by Harvey S. Plourde, IMHO a tail dragger
pilot that can't perform a wheel landing is not a "compleat" (complete)
taidragger pilot. I may be wrong but this has been my experience.
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: "Aerobatics@aol.com" <Aerobatics@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:45:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
On a 3 pointer, you go from a plane to a car instantly with all 3 wheels
contacting.
So on certain conditions and if you dont mind using more runway, try a
wheeler. But not me.
Just another opinion....!
Dave
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| Subject: | wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
> From: Bob Unternaehrer [shilocom@mcmsys.com]
> because sooner or later your going to have to land with the tanks FULL and the
gear
> on these things won't take a full stall landing at full gross, and that's the
case with
> other heavy tailwheel airplanes, but not the Kitfox.
Indeed, Bob. That's a fact I remember my father, who flew the DC-3 in the 50s,
was telling us. Unfortunately he passed away in 1986 and I never got a chance
to fly with him but his photo, as a pilot student in 1936, is permanently installed
in my Kitfox. And when I fly with my son, that's ... 3 generations together.
... sorry, I am getting sentimental and off-topic.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Funny thing the stall speeds. I have been doing the v speeds in the VW
> Speedster and can stall between -5 kts and 75 depending on power and
> angle of attack.
Now there's a talented flyer!! How can I achieve that elusive -5 kt stall!!
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings |
A valid topic here on Wheel landing opinions.
I will hold firm in that everyone should be able to land in 2 point
wheel or 3 point landings.
I would like to challenge everyone to make some vidoes on how to land a
Kitfox each way and them for all to see. I can host a video if that is
necessary or put it on Goggle video Like Gary Walsh did (And a very
good job at that Gary !! THANKS)
It is quite clear that we have mixed opinions on this topic as there
are on grove gear versus the tube gear on which one is easier to fly.
Alot of this stems back to the pilot experience and abilities it seems.
So I find every time I fly that I like to be able to hone my piloting
skills. learn and improve my skills. And certainly we all have a wealth
of knowledge that can be shared and each one of us can learn from each
other.
Does every one find that they can take off like this video showed ?
http://cfisher.com/kitfox/coffeebreak.wmv It has been downloaded
about 400 times now and cetainly a few have been shown that Kitfoxes can
actually leave the ground in a few hundred feet but yet not much
discusion really. And the reason I did that was for Guy as he was
using up 700 to 1000 feet of runway to take off in a 582 powered Kitfox
which I thought was was out of line and now you can see that 200 to 300
foot take offs are the norm for a Kitfox.
I will try to do some more videos of wheel landings if you guys think
it would be an attribute.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Tomlin
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
Excellent discussion from all sorts of angles.
My instructer stressed wheelies especially when gusts are down the
runway.
His point was that in a three point stall attitude into a gusty wind
and right before touchdown, you could balloon up too high over the
runway, at a high angle of attack and then if the gust stops there you
are without enough time to add power to arrest the sink rate. Pushing
forward on the stick would be a poor gamble also.
If the wind is that strong, your landing roll shouldn't be that long
either. Just what I was taught.
Good input, all
Tom
ps
I landed in Salina Kansas this past summer in 28 gusting to 32 right
down the runway.
Did a wheel landing and it just kinda stopped and I lowered the tail.
The the short crosswind taxi to the ramp was done as much into the wind
as possible. I didn't follow the painted taxi centerlines but angled
across the short taxiway onto a huge apron where I immediately pointed
her back into the wind.. The linemen had to come out to grab the struts
so I could let go of the brakes to get out. Funny how I didn't havta p
no mo when I finally got tied down.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
In a message dated 10/11/2006 7:00:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
fox5flyer@i-star.com writes:
Lynn, by all means learn to do wheel landings. They really aren't
difficult
at all and it doesn't matter whether the Kitfox is short coupled,
spring, or
bungie gear. They just take a certain technique that is best
taught by
someone who is good at it. The person who teaches you doesn't
really need
to be a CFI, just someone competent and who can stick with you
until you get
the hang of it.
They're really useful in a lot of situations, especially when it's
gusty
and/or with crosswinds. I have no idea why Ed Downs would say 3pt
only.
Deke
S5 in NE Michigan
I now have about 350 hours in my KF model 2, and since most flights
are short, so I can only guess on how many landings.
I personally feel I can land in a stronger crosswind with a 3
pointer. Out here in the plains the wind can howl and we fly anyway.
I also happen to agree with Mr. Downs and frankly, didn't even know
he said that. Having tried many different ways in different aircraft,
at least on the KF 2, I quite strongly recommend only 3 pointers.
The problem is simple. During the transition of the tail coming
down from a wheeler, the rudder effectiveness is greatly reduced. This
is due to the fuse blanketing and low airspeed. In a crosswind, this
become a huge concern, on pavement... well yikes. On a 3 pointer, you
go from a plane to a car instantly with all 3 wheels contacting.
So on certain conditions and if you dont mind using more runway, try
a wheeler. But not me.
Just another opinion....!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I only have a right brake for last month or so. I have a kit from Matco for
my left master but have not put it in yet.
I find brakes more helpful with amphibs on to turn sharper but on wheels
rarely use them.
It fun now landing and trying to use brakes ( right only ) almost full
left rudder and right brake as it the only one that works < ggg>
On skis I never use them < chuckle >
The rudder is what controls my steering at a faster speed than taxing. But
I will say that on Amphibs with a strong X wind that differential braking is
required while taxing to keep it straight at times with strong winds. I
would not want to have to depend on brakes for steering though.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
> No one has mentioned brakes to keep the a/c straight. Doesn't matter if
> it's a wheeler or stalled ldg, when the a/c slows it'll try to turn into
> wind. The beauty of the wheeler when correctly done is to make good wheel
> contact hence good braking control.
>
>
> From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> I've had that unpleasant experience in "transition" during the high-speed
> taxi phase of flight testing. You can wind up pointed the other way very
> quickly. Since then, i've done wheel landings, some form of which aren't
> really unusual in my model 2 given its tendency to full-mush rather than
> full-stall on landing.
>
>
> For me, the key in transition with a wheeler is to plant the tailwheel
> before the rudder loses authority and after the airplane quits wanting to
> fly. Oh . . .and make sure the nose is pointed straight down the runway
> at that exact instant! ;-)
>
>
> In a message dated 10/11/2006 7:00:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> fox5flyer@i-star.com writes:
>
>
> Lynn, by all means learn to do wheel landings. They really aren't
> difficult
> at all and it doesn't matter whether the Kitfox is short coupled, spring,
> or
> bungie gear. They just take a certain technique that is best taught by
> someone who is good at it. The person who teaches you doesn't really need
> to be a CFI, just someone competent and who can stick with you until you
> get
> the hang of it.
> They're really useful in a lot of situations, especially when it's gusty
> and/or with crosswinds. I have no idea why Ed Downs would say 3pt only.
> Deke
> S5 in NE Michigan
>
>
> I now have about 350 hours in my KF model 2, and since most flights are
> short, so I can only guess on how many landings.
>
>
> I personally feel I can
> land in a stronger crosswind with a 3 pointer. Out here in the plains the
> wind can howl and we fly anyway.
>
>
> I also happen to agree with Mr. Downs and frankly, didn't even know he
> said that. Having tried many different ways in different aircraft, at
> least on the KF 2, I quite strongly recommend only 3 pointers.
>
>
> The problem is simple. During the transition of the tail coming down from
> a wheeler, the rudder effectiveness is greatly reduced. This is due to the
> fuse blanketing and low airspeed. In a crosswind, this become a huge
> concern, on pavement... well yikes. On a 3 pointer, you go from a plane
> to a car instantly with all 3 wheels contacting.
>
>
> So on certain conditions and if you dont mind using more runway, try a
> wheeler. But not me.
>
>
> Just another opinion....!
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Getting tail wheel up. |
Dave,
I guess we shouldn't critisize but my concerns are that he
is dragging that tail across the rough stuff for a very long time and
due to postings of broken tail wheels etc I think it's cause to worry.
Plus he might not always have that much space to get airborne.
Fair enough you have also flown the plane and had the same problem so
let's blame the plane rather than the pilot.
So what is the problem. I'm no expert but it would seem to me he
might have his C of G too far back. ie:- too much weight on the tail.
Another possibiitty is not enough down elevator. Perhaps he has both
problems. However while he has the tail down dragging like that that is
slowing him down as is pushing that wing through the air at that angle
of attack, so hence the very long time to get airborne and all that
torture to the back end.
You say it climbs well once airborn. Well I guess both those problems
would not effect climb in fact they might help. However for the sake of
the tailwheel assembly and rear frame I do think it would be in his best
interests to sort the problem. Neither aft C of G or down elevator
travel should take much fixing. Maybe someone has adjusted elevator
control to improve flair authority at the cost of down elevator. However
gap sealing is a better answer. I need to pull my stick right back hard
into the seat cushion but if I do that she lands just perfect, dare I
say in a 3 point attitude !
Rex.
Time: 06:14:24 PM PST US
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video
Rex,
I have flown that Avid and it won't come off nearly as quick as my
Kitfox or the Kitfox 1 in video. Why? I have no idea but it climbs
real well one off the ground.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Video
Hi Guy,
What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times and
yet no
one has responded
I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox
flying with
excellent short field performance.
I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes
perform
..
Dave
I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the Blue Avid to
lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
speed then we might have a comparison,
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings |
Dave:
Not meaning to change the subject , but what kind of amphibs are you flying?
Thanks
Don C.
KF IV
3300 Jab
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| Subject: | Re: landings with Ed Downs |
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
This is a good question. I can think about two answers. Get training on w
heel landings in order to expand your limits. Otherwise, be conservative w
hen you plan a flight, specially a long one. Consider the wind at the dest
ination, consider alternative airports, and the gas reserve required to go
to the alternative airport.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dav
e <dave@cfisher.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Oct
ober 11, 2006 5:58:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the
compleat td pilot=0A=0A =0AThat being said, if your only destination becom
es beyond your personal limitation due to never being trained for example a
wheel landing then what do you do ?=0A =0A =0ADave =0A----- Original Messa
ge ----- =0AFrom: Jose M. Toro =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: We
dnesday, October 11, 2006 11:57 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: wheel landings a
nd the compleat td pilot=0A=0A=0ADave:=0A =0AIf you do a three pointer on s
trong cross wind, the airplane will not immediate transition into a car. T
he wings will still be flying and the nose will point in direction to the w
ind because you don't have enough rudder authority. This could be done ONL
Y if you have enough runway to SAFELY align the plane with the wind. This
may imply a diagonal or perpendicular landing which, in most cases could no
t be safely or legally performed.=0A =0AAs a pilot you need to recognize yo
ur limitations. I'm not instrument rated, and my plane's equipment is limi
ted to day VFR. This implies that, by ALL means, I need to avoid weather a
nd low visibility. Both my plane and myself have a limitation. The same a
pplies to tail dragger pilots and wheel landings. If you are a taildragger
pilot, and you can't perform wheel landings, there are certain wind condit
ions that you need to avoid to insure you can perform a safe landing, that
you would not need to avoid if you can perform a wheel landing. If a pilot
cannot perfom a wheel landing in a Kitfox, it is a pilot limitation but no
t a plane limitation. Kitfox are very capable of handling cross wind, and
that includes Model II which I used to own. Refering to the title of an ex
cellent book I read 13 years ago, "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot", by Harv
ey S. Plourde, IMHO a tail dragger pilot that can't perform a wheel landing
is not a "compleat" (complete) taidragger pilot. I
may be wrong but this has been my experience.=0A =0AJose=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A-
---- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Aerobatics@aol.com" <Aerobatics@aol.com
>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:45:
06 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings=0A=0A=0A On a 3 pointer, y
ou go from a plane to a car instantly with all 3 wheels contacting.=0A =0AS
o on certain conditions and if you dont mind using more runway, try a wheel
er. But not me.=0A =0AJust another opinion....!=0A =0ADave=0A =0A =0Aht=
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| Subject: | Looking for S-5 Finishing Instructions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Hello List,
I've been absent a while during painting & am now doing final installation.
I'm doing final installations on my Series 5 TD with Lyc O-235, but have
lost my finishing instructions. Anyone out there willing to copy their's
off & send it to me? I'm more than happy to pay for copying, shipping &
buying lunch for your time. Please e-mail me off list if able & willing.
A more immediate concern is the amount of up & down elevator travel (in
degrees). Would any of you mind looking that up & letting me know?
Hope to be flying soon.
Thanks,
Grant Krueger
Central Coast of CA
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings |
Aerocets 1100s
----- Original Message -----
From: DC91840@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel landings
Dave:
Not meaning to change the subject , but what kind of amphibs are you
flying?
Thanks
Don C.
KF IV
3300 Jab
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:32 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:
>I have to chime in on Dave's side on this one. I don't do Wheel landings
>unless a BFR instructor wants to see one.
I found a possible use for one yesterday. I did my first off-field landing,
on a dry lake bed in the desert east of San Diego. I wasn't sure of the
surface and didn't want to put the tail wheel down until I checked it out
with the mains. (I could always go around if I thought it too rough.) I've
got a Matco 6" tailwheel that's solid with the solid aluminum spring; not a
lot of give at the back end. Someday I'll fab a fiberglass spring that's
longer and much more forgiving, and replace the tire with a pneumatic.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
I perfectly know that feeling. My father did flying for living until he retired
in 1994. I have a picture with him and my son when my son flew for the first
time, of course, on the Kitfox. He was 3 then. He is now 12, and I expect to
be a Sport Pilot CFI by the time he turns 16. My father used to be a DPE.
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:12:48 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot
Indeed, Bob. That's a fact I remember my father, who flew the DC-3 in the 50s,
was telling us. Unfortunately he passed away in 1986 and I never got a chance
to fly with him but his photo, as a pilot student in 1936, is permanently installed
in my Kitfox. And when I fly with my son, that's ... 3 generations together.
... sorry, I am getting sentimental and off-topic.
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| Subject: | Re: two point landings |
Dee:=0A=0AI learned to fly taildraggers by myself, no instructor. At that
time I had a single seater Rans S-4 and there was not TD instructor nor TD
trainer available in the surroundings. I read the book "The Compleat Taild
ragger Pilot" twice. Then, I placed two concrete briks in front of the mai
n tires, started the engine, and applied power until I was able to raise th
e tail. In that way, I got used to the plane attitude during take off and
wheel landings. After that, I started performing speed taxi until I did th
e first take off. The first landing was a wheel landing. =0A=0AThis is no
t by any means the right way to learn to fly taildraggers. Beside that, it
is illegal unless your plane is an ultralight. I mentioned it just becaus
e that is my story. I did more than one ground loop before I learned to ap
ply what I read on the book. I recommend every TD pilot candidate to get t
raining!=0A=0AJose=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dee Young <h
enrysfork1@msn.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Octo
ber 11, 2006 7:28:22 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: two point landings=0A=0A=0A
I am a low time pilot and like most learned the 3 point landings in my trai
ning. The airport I fly from is very narrow with poor visibility. When wint
er comes and the snow gets deep there is little room for error. I never lik
ed the three point on this strip so I decided to try the wheel landings. It
didn't take long and was pretty easy to learn. I usually come in under par
tial power and once the mains touch give it some forward stick and cut the
power. Its important when you touch down to plant the mains and hold them u
ntil the tail is ready to drop. I never learned this from an instructor and
it may not be the best choice for others but worked for me. =0A =0ADee You
=========================0A
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| Subject: | Re: Getting tail wheel up. |
Rex, I have only a few flights in that Avid and do not remember it too
well but I will say that it does have a heavier Tail than my Kitfox and
I think C of G might be differnt . AS far as elevator I think it all
been measured within specs and it does have the gaps sealed.
I think the Avid should come off quicker as well but he fairly new to
that Avid just a month or two ago and is still getting used to it. I
know it flys well and it a bit slower than my Kitfox by a few mph only
but it might climb better. I think the next few months will tell the
tale as well. I know he would like it to get airbourne quicke too and
most likely will. I gonna get him out in the next few weeks and so he
can get a few hours of slow flight to get a better feel for it and
that should help alot as well I think.
As far as breaking tailsprings I don't know what the worrry is. I have
broke a few as well over the years but that is from alot of off field
use and plus i hammer my tailwheel lots on takeoffs too :) I use the
KISS theory ( KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY) I use 2 leaf homemade spring and
a solid 6 inch wheel with no troubles. Worst case if you break a
spring is you put a hole in your rudder.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Getting tail wheel up.
Dave,
I guess we shouldn't critisize but my concerns are that
he is dragging that tail across the rough stuff for a very long time and
due to postings of broken tail wheels etc I think it's cause to worry.
Plus he might not always have that much space to get airborne.
Fair enough you have also flown the plane and had the same problem
so let's blame the plane rather than the pilot.
So what is the problem. I'm no expert but it would seem to me he
might have his C of G too far back. ie:- too much weight on the tail.
Another possibiitty is not enough down elevator. Perhaps he has both
problems. However while he has the tail down dragging like that that is
slowing him down as is pushing that wing through the air at that angle
of attack, so hence the very long time to get airborne and all that
torture to the back end.
You say it climbs well once airborn. Well I guess both those
problems would not effect climb in fact they might help. However for the
sake of the tailwheel assembly and rear frame I do think it would be in
his best interests to sort the problem. Neither aft C of G or down
elevator travel should take much fixing. Maybe someone has adjusted
elevator control to improve flair authority at the cost of down
elevator. However gap sealing is a better answer. I need to pull my
stick right back hard into the seat cushion but if I do that she lands
just perfect, dare I say in a 3 point attitude !
Rex.
Time: 06:14:24 PM PST US
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video
Rex,
I have flown that Avid and it won't come off nearly as quick as my
Kitfox or the Kitfox 1 in video. Why? I have no idea but it climbs
real well one off the ground.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Video
Hi Guy,
What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times
and
yet no
one has responded
I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox
flying with
excellent short field performance.
I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes
perform
..
Dave
I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the Blue Avid to
lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
speed then we might have a comparison,
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Wasn't a tailslide, but hanging on the prop almost. Probably part prop
blast interferance. The biggest thing I've found is with my low redrive
prop speed it helps to idle my prop up to 700 rpm on landings. Ron
>From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:35:32 -0300
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:07 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
>><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Funny thing the stall speeds. I have been doing the v speeds in the VW
>>Speedster and can stall between -5 kts and 75 depending on power and
>>angle of attack.
>
>Now there's a talented flyer!! How can I achieve that elusive -5 kt stall!!
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn - more input |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
That's probably true, and it's probably an argument that could and
does, happen whenever pilots gather. I'm not in a position to argue one
way or the other, being too new to this activity.
Lynn
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, at 03:46 PM, wingnut wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> "when you lower the wing on the upwind side, you are inducing adverse
>> yaw which counteracts the weathervaning effects of the wind on the
>> side of the fuselage"
>
> I thought it was to induce a slip into the wind to counteract the wind
> pushing the plane off the center of the runway...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67190#67190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I just sent some pics to your personal address, wingnut.
Lynn
do not archive
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, at 03:34 PM, wingnut wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Ron: Northern VA is about 400miles for me. I'll keep you in mind
> though if I don't come up with anything else.
>
> Lynn: Some pics of your conversion would be awsome. I figured that
> would be the most cost effective way to go. Also, this way, I finally
> have an excuse for acquiring that mig welder :-).
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67186#67186
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting tail wheel up. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I recently broke the (12-year-old) 2-leaf tailwheel spring on my Model
IV, after about 150 hours on the plane. When the main leaf breaks on
the 2-leaf'er you're going to be grounded for awhile. Fortunately I had
a spare main and was flying again in just about an hour. I got the
newly designed 3-leaf spring, which incorporates 2 main leaves, and
you'd have to have pretty crappy luck to break both of them at the same
time. John and Debra McBean sell the 3-leaf spring at the new Kitfox
Aircraft LLC.
Now before anybody puts this incident together with the ongoing
"3-pointers vs. wheelers" thread, I don't wanna hear it! : ) (that's a
smiley, folks)
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Dave wrote:
> Rex, I have only a few flights in that Avid and do not remember it
> too well but I will say that it does have a heavier Tail than my
> Kitfox and I think C of G might be differnt . AS far as elevator I
> think it all been measured within specs and it does have the gaps
> sealed.
>
> I think the Avid should come off quicker as well but he fairly new to
> that Avid just a month or two ago and is still getting used to it. I
> know it flys well and it a bit slower than my Kitfox by a few mph
> only but it might climb better. I think the next few months will
> tell the tale as well. I know he would like it to get airbourne
> quicke too and most likely will. I gonna get him out in the next few
> weeks and so he can get a few hours of slow flight to get a better
> feel for it and that should help alot as well I think.
>
> As far as breaking tailsprings I don't know what the worrry is. I have
> broke a few as well over the years but that is from alot of off field
> use and plus i hammer my tailwheel lots on takeoffs too :) I use
> the KISS theory ( KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY) I use 2 leaf homemade
> spring and a solid 6 inch wheel with no troubles. Worst case if you
> break a spring is you put a hole in your rudder.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Lynn: Thanks for the pics. I learned of a guy in my area to makes custom trailers
out of his garage. I guess I should be a good boy and take your pictures to
him for a price before I drop the money on that mig welder...
Finally got some good news on my airplane. Had a local retired A&P with some experience
with experimentals come and look at it. He's convinced that the crud
in my gascolator is in fact coming from the fuel lines that I had already suspected
where disintegrating. So the up side of the crud is that it confirms that
my fuel smell is probably coming from the lines. He also pointed out that the
goop on the case is just some kind of gasket sealer and that the seam in question
is just for an accessory case so I shouldn't be too worried about oil drips
coming from there. He's even offered to give me a hand if I decide to replace
the lines myself (which he recommends). It wasnt all good as he pointed out
some other quirks in the engine compartment that need to be addressed but a
good day on balance.
-Luis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67368#67368
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Nahhh, get the welder...you can make her a wrought iron trellis for her
roses to grow on, some wrought iron thingys to put flower pots in, a
rack for wine bottles....but don't listen to me, I've gone through 3
wives, so what do I know?
Lynn
p.s. I knew there was a name I was forgetting...Luis...yeah, that's it.
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, at 01:47 PM, wingnut wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Lynn: Thanks for the pics. I learned of a guy in my area to makes
> custom trailers out of his garage. I guess I should be a good boy and
> take your pictures to him for a price before I drop the money on that
> mig welder...
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> Nahhh, get the welder...you can make her a wrought iron trellis for her roses
to grow on, some wrought iron thingys to put flower pots in, a rack for wine
bottles....but don't listen to me, I've gone through 3
> wives, so what do I know?
LOL. I like you're style. That welder would be mine in a heart beat if I could
dig up some plans on a hangar door.... oh well, I guess can't complain about a
wife that already let me spend as much as I have already on a toy.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67395#67395
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Richard, and all,
Hi, I was just looking at the forecast for Sunday in the Watervliet
area, and it looks great! So I was wondering if any of the original
"Chili-Hop" guys might still want to get together.
While I don't have a KitFox yet to fly over there, I could show up in a
Citabria and trade a Citabria ride for a KitFox ride (yeah, I know,
boring compared to a KitFox!!!), or maybe I could bring a Diamond
Eclipse, or an Icarus Light Sport, or a C-172 (yawn!) I really want to
buy a KitFox, and I want to check out as many as possible to see what
things are important, what matters, what don't, what's good, what's bad,
etc. etc.
So, anybody in the Illinois/Indiana/Michigan area wanna' do a KitFox
Breakfast? If so, let me know!
Best Regards,
Nick Scholtes
>
>
> rrabbers@sbcglobal.net <mailto:rrabbers@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> I wanted to invite you to a hopeful gathering of Foxes on 10/15 - in
> Watervliet, Michigan (40C) - If the weather dries up, 6 kitfoxes, IVs,
> and a 5.... should be there.
>
> I intend to check the field a few days prior and will relay the condition.
>
> Come on over if you can.
>
> Just off I-94, east of Benton Harbor/St Joe.
>
> Richard Rabbers
>
> Benton Harbor, Michigan
> Kitfox Model 1 - Rotax 618 - restoration
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Way to go Michel.
Nothing wrong with that.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:12 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wheel landings and the compleat td pilot
>> From: Bob Unternaehrer [shilocom@mcmsys.com]
>> because sooner or later your going to have to land with the tanks FULL
>> and the gear
>> on these things won't take a full stall landing at full gross, and that's
>> the case with
>> other heavy tailwheel airplanes, but not the Kitfox.
>
> Indeed, Bob. That's a fact I remember my father, who flew the DC-3 in the
> 50s, was telling us. Unfortunately he passed away in 1986 and I never got
> a chance to fly with him but his photo, as a pilot student in 1936, is
> permanently installed in my Kitfox. And when I fly with my son, that's ...
> 3 generations together.
> ... sorry, I am getting sentimental and off-topic.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
>
> </b></font></pre>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Landings - Lynn - more input |
Wingnut is correct. There are two choices in crosswind to maintain
centreline- lower the wing on the upwind side to induce a slip into wind or
crab into wind. 40 years ago I was taught the latter - learning when to
kick it straight at touch down was a challenge. However, touching down with
one wing low on a low-wing aircraft is risky too not to mention flying with
crossed controls near stalling speed which was the main reason we were
taught the crabbing technique.
With the Kitfox touching a wingtip isn't an issue so we can safely slip into
the wind. I personally think the ability to do 3 pointers and/or wheelers
is a good skill for any pilot to have and both are equally safe with the
correct technique and practice. Flying a low-wing aircraft is a different
issue and getting a blast of crosswind at the point of stall can have
serious consequences - so wheelers which offer more aileron authority can be
a safer option. Learning both gives a pilot options he/she otherwise
wouldn't have and it's always good to have options.
Trevor Leathem
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My flaps are maxed out at the 20 setting, Michel....and I couldn't get
much more if I wanted to, without removing the center console, and
doing some creative adjusting of linkages.
Lynn
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, at 03:42 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Oct 11, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Mine stalls at 45, 40, and 35 mph, clean, 1/2, and full flaps
>> respectively, IAS. In my case, 1/2 is 10, and full is 20.
>
> Wow! What a big difference with flaps, Lynn! What is your max. flaps
> angle setting? Mine is only 10 degrees.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
The hangar doors where I'm located are simple bi-fold doors, hung on a
track, and couldn't be simpler to make. I could shoot some pics if
you'd like. They are just metal siding nailed/screwed onto 2x4 frames,
with a walk-through door for entry. Pull three pipe "anchors" and the
doors (two of 'em) pivot and slide out of the way.
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, at 03:48 PM, wingnut wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> Nahhh, get the welder...you can make her a wrought iron trellis for
>> her roses to grow on, some wrought iron thingys to put flower pots
>> in, a rack for wine bottles....but don't listen to me, I've gone
>> through 3
>> wives, so what do I know?
>
>
> LOL. I like you're style. That welder would be mine in a heart beat if
> I could dig up some plans on a hangar door.... oh well, I guess can't
> complain about a wife that already let me spend as much as I have
> already on a toy.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67395#67395
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'd love to, but I'm thinking that this will be the day to do the
checkride, (weather looks crappy 'til then) after my original day got
cancelled due to weather. If the 'ride doesn't pan out, I'm up for
anything...oops, might not be able to get my instructor to sign off for
another "cross-country" being as he is out flying for AA this weekend.
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, at 05:07 PM, Nick Scholtes wrote:
> Richard, and all,
>
> Hi, I was just looking at the forecast for Sunday in the Watervliet
> area, and it looks great! So I was wondering if any of the original
> "Chili-Hop" guys might still want to get together.
>
> While I don't have a KitFox yet to fly over there, I could show up in
> a Citabria and trade a Citabria ride for a KitFox ride (yeah, I know,
> boring compared to a KitFox!!!), or maybe I could bring a Diamond
> Eclipse, or an Icarus Light Sport, or a C-172 (yawn!) I really want
> to buy a KitFox, and I want to check out as many as possible to see
> what things are important, what matters, what don't, what's good,
> what's bad, etc. etc.
>
> So, anybody in the Illinois/Indiana/Michigan area wanna' do a KitFox
> Breakfast? If so, let me know!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Nick Scholtes
>
>
> rrabbers@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> I wanted to invite you to a hopeful gathering of Foxes on 10/15 in
> Watervliet, Michigan (40C) If the weather dries up, 6 kitfoxes, IVs,
> and a 5. should be there.
>
> I intend to check the field a few days prior and will relay the
> condition.
>
> Come on over if you can.
>
> Just off I-94, east of Benton Harbor/St Joe.
>
> Richard Rabbers
>
> Benton Harbor, Michigan
> Kitfox Model 1 - Rotax 618 - restoration
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landings with Ed Downs |
I am looking for a used copy take it to the post office send it out I can
send cash malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: Chili Re-Hop? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Nick / Lynn,
Wings - fun ingredient #1. You guys have that covered.
Maybe there will be a chance to get together somewhere once Lynn gets his ticket.
Watervliet airport is closed as far as I know. That was the last report per EAA
chapter 585 member based there, due to all the rain and poor drying conditions.
I'm currently taxiing where ever I go on 4 wheels.
If there's a gathering within range I'll plan to join in. (no fox to show off,
yet)
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Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
I am getting ready to replace my old ones do I need any special tools mal
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
Just a BIG BOWL of Wheaties.
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
I am getting ready to replace my old ones do I need any special tools
mal
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
You'll need a four letter vocabulary, and a second pair of hands helps. I
got seven wraps single handed but was to tuckered cuss anymore when done.
Ron NB Ore
>From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:48:18 EDT
>
>I am getting ready to replace my old ones do I need any special tools mal
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben-PA" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Malcom,
I attached plans to make a bungee installation tool. This is used on Starduster
and Acroduster biplanes. I am building an Acroduster with bungee gear and will
need this tool, but my Kitfox 5 has the Grove gear. I don't know if this tool
will work on the Kitfox so if you try it let us all know. The biplane guys use
baby powder to help the cords slip.
Regards,
Ben
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