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1. 06:58 AM - Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (wingnut)
2. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (Randy Daughenbaugh)
3. 10:44 AM - Re: Stall speed (Michel Verheughe)
4. 10:55 AM - Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again (Michel Verheughe)
5. 11:12 AM - Re: Stall speed (Dave)
6. 11:47 AM - Re: Chili Re-Hop? (Richard Rabbers)
7. 11:54 AM - Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia (floran higgins)
8. 12:01 PM - Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again (Don Smythe)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (GypsyBeeInnkeepers)
10. 02:24 PM - Re: Stall speed (Michel Verheughe)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again (Michel Verheughe)
12. 02:45 PM - Re: bungie cords (Noel Loveys)
13. 02:45 PM - Re: Getting tail wheel up. (Noel Loveys)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: bungie cords (Sjklerks@aol.com)
15. 03:16 PM - Re: bungie cords (Sjklerks@aol.com)
16. 03:17 PM - Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again (Torgeir Mortensen)
17. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Chili Re-Hop? (Lynn Matteson)
18. 03:38 PM - Re: Getting tail wheel up. (Torgeir Mortensen)
19. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer (Lynn Matteson)
20. 04:24 PM - Re: Chili Re-Hop? (Richard Rabbers)
21. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Chili Re-Hop? (JOHN May)
22. 04:44 PM - Re: bungie cords (Lowell Fitt)
23. 04:56 PM - Re: Getting tail wheel up. (Lynn Matteson)
24. 04:59 PM - Re: bungie cords (Lynn Matteson)
25. 05:25 PM - Kitfox CFI is Moving... (Andrew Matthaey)
26. 05:46 PM - Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again (Lowell Fitt)
27. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: bungie cords (Noel Loveys)
28. 06:12 PM - Re: bungie cords (Noel Loveys)
29. 06:13 PM - Re: bungie cords (Noel Loveys)
30. 06:19 PM - Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again (Noel Loveys)
31. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: bungie cords (john perry)
32. 09:24 PM - Re: bungie cords (Lynn Matteson)
33. 11:31 PM - Re: Getting tail wheel up. (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Oh wow! That would be fatastic. I've been stressing about having to drop another
$4k on a bifold door kit. Thanks again.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67497#67497
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Don't forget the ultimate door:
THE ULTIMATE DOOR, INC.
5083 NORTH 107TH ST.
MILWAUKEE, WI 53225
(414) 438-0747
www.gehreingk@prodigy.net
This is a door kit and you build the door yourself. I am real pleased with
mine and spent about $1400 on it. - 40' x 10'
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Oh wow! That would be fatastic. I've been stressing about having to drop
another $4k on a bifold door kit. Thanks again.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67497#67497
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> My flaps are maxed out at the 20 setting, Michel....
Thanks, Lynn. You have a model IV, I have a model 3; different wing and
flaperon airfoil. But I think I should increase mine ... carefully.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Greetings, Kitfoxers,
We have been talking about the danger of ethanol in our fiberglass
tanks for a long time. I have already mentionned what I read on the
Jabiru Engine list but ... here it is again:
A gentleman called Bill Evans writes:
"The airlines, military and others use thiokol based rubber sealants to
seal their tanks. Brand names is PRC. You want PRC1422 A2. It's now
manufactured by ProSeal. Normally lasts for generations."
To what I reply, as previously said on this list: "Yes, but it can't be
sloshed in our existing tanks."
To what Bill answers:
"So the PRC is not thin but is pourable. The solvent is Methyl Ethyl
Ketone. (You can only do this outdoors and with the wind to your back.)
MEK is somewhat soluble in PRC. You use a paint mixer in an electric
drill, and thin the PRC with MEK until the sealant will flow
sufficiently to get 100% coverage. Slosh would be too optimistic. You
could also spray it in with a new garden sprayer, but that would also
"seal" the future of your garden sprayer. I have done this... Sprayed
PRC."
Guys, my brain is as empty as a barrel of beer after being raided by a
bunch of Norwegian soccer hooligans! Make up your mind on the above
information and let me know what the jury has decided. Can we do it?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Michel,
The Model 1, 2 and 3 used totally different flapperon mixer controls and
you have no differential . There is a possiblity of aileron reversal "I
think" on the PRE IV models. But maybe someone else could comment.
I have a model IV and i have over 30 down deflection. I know how to use
flaps and they are an excellent attribute to my Model IV with over 20
degree down on Take offs .
That being said , over 20 degrees is pretty well useless on landings.
I am open for comments but please don't tell me they are unsafe this way .
Full flaps over 20 degrees are totally safe if you know how to use them .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> My flaps are maxed out at the 20 setting, Michel....
Thanks, Lynn. You have a model IV, I have a model 3; different wing and
flaperon airfoil. But I think I should increase mine ... carefully.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Chili Re-Hop? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
There's a upcoming event we could join in on - Allegan, MI (35D)
- it seems there some energy to merge Chili and flying et again.
I got tailwheel training at Dodgens, the event sponser.
There's both grass and paved runways, a friendly gang, at there's a very beautiful
Kitfox is based there... (maybe others will join in)
* [Wink] Maybe Lynn will be ready by then?
* :D Maybe the weather will be good?
- Allegan airport details
http://www.airnav.com/airport/35D
- FBO.. very nice people
http://www.dodgenaircraft.com/
The Event basics
Sunday, October 29th beginning at 1:00 pm.
Chili-Cook-off at the Airport.
- prizes will be given for the best chili.
Come join other area pilots to enjoying the fellowship of pilots and some great
chili on a Sunday afternoon.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67544#67544
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| Subject: | Re: Wheelers & Licence in Australia |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
My Speedster has the elevator gap sealed. I have plenty of control no flap
but becomes margional with full flaps. As all of my landings are full flap I
perfer to make wheel landing as I feel I have more control.
Sorry I am so slow in answering this as the Hard drive went out of my
computer and I am just now getting back on line.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheelers & Licence in Australia
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Floran Higgins wrote:
>> My Speedster has marginal elevator control for three piont landings.
>> Nearly all of my landings are wheel landings.
>
> Have you tried gap-sealing the elevator, Floran? It did the trick for my
> model 3.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>> To what I reply, as previously said on this list: "Yes, but it can't be
>> sloshed in our existing tanks.">>
>> sufficiently to get 100% coverage. Slosh would be too optimistic.
>> Can we do it?>>
Michel,
In my opinion, no. This discussion on sloshing tanks has made a couple
turns over the years. One was sloshing to fill pin holes in tanks. The
other turn is now talking about sloshing to protect the fiberglass from
ethanol. To me, that is two entirely different situations.
Sloshing to fill pin holes in tanks is possible and has been done by
several with pretty good results. If the slosh happens to get into the pin
hole the leak is fixed.
Now, here is my opinion on sloshing to "protect" the basic fiberglass
material. If you slosh and just happen to miss a spot then the ethanol is
going to gain access to the fiberglass and all is lost (assuming ethanol
will eat the fiberglass) If down the road, the slosh develops a hairline
crack then the ethanol will wick into the fiberglass (all is lost again).
I used an "example" once about having tanks made from Styrofoam and
relying on a slosh to protect the base material from gasoline. Someone came
back and said, "Gasoline will eat Styrofoam". Well, I knew that and that
is why I used Styrofoam as an "EXAMPLE". In my opinion, you can no more
protect Styrofoam than you can fiberglass with a slosh material. The tanks
are just too big, too flat, too wide and too thin to cover all the
internals (plus, the baffles).
Sloshing to fill pinholes is possible but sloshing to protect the basic
fiberglass material is another question.
Lets assume (ANOTHER WAY OUT EXAMPLE) that ethanol was proved to eat
fiberglass tanks up is under 6 months. Who would trust their lives with a
slosh or thin coat of paint like material applied to the insides.
IMHO,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GypsyBeeInnkeepers <hefferans@gmail.com>
Hey Lynn, send me those photos too, will ya? - rhefferan (at) gmail.com
I was planning to create my own bi-folds and haven't committed to
anything yet.
Rex
Colorado
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> The hangar doors where I'm located are simple bi-fold doors, hung on a
> track, and couldn't be simpler to make. I could shoot some pics if
> you'd like. They are just metal siding nailed/screwed onto 2x4 frames,
> with a walk-through door for entry. Pull three pipe "anchors" and the
> doors (two of 'em) pivot and slide out of the way.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Thursday, October 12, 2006, at 03:48 PM, wingnut wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>>
>>
>>> Nahhh, get the welder...you can make her a wrought iron trellis for
>>> her roses to grow on, some wrought iron thingys to put flower pots
>>> in, a rack for wine bottles....but don't listen to me, I've gone
>>> through 3
>>> wives, so what do I know?
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL. I like you're style. That welder would be mine in a heart beat
>> if I could dig up some plans on a hangar door.... oh well, I guess
>> can't complain about a wife that already let me spend as much as I
>> have already on a toy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67395#67395
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Karla and Rex Hefferan
Gypsy Bee Innkeepers
719-651-5198 or 719-651-9192
--
Karla and Rex Hefferan
Gypsy Bee Innkeepers
719-651-5198 or 719-651-9192
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Dave,
On Oct 13, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Dave wrote:
> The Model 1, 2 and 3 used totally different flapperon mixer
> controls and you have no differential . There is a possiblity of
> aileron reversal "I think" on the PRE IV models. But maybe
> someone else could comment.
Yes, my Kitfox 3 pilot manual says that I should not exceed 23 degrees
flaps because it may reverse aileron. The 10 MPH difference between 0
and 20 degrees from Lynn, makes me think that I might try to increase
my 10 degrees to e.g. 15, well beyond the dangerous edge of 23.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 13, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> In my opinion, no.
Thank you, Don. Your explanation makes perfect sense to me. I mentioned
once again PRC because Bill, on the Jabiru list, couldn't understand
what the problem was with ethanol. My initial posting there was to say,
in an answer to: is the Jabiru fuel pump and carby gaskets ethanol
resistant?;
- "I can always replace hoses and gaskets but what about fiberglass
tanks?"
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I can see every one enjoys putting the bungees on as much as I did. I've
tried olive oil it was ok but the best thing was a piece of rope put through
the eye that I could use the reem on.
Any one with a dictionary of four letter expletives will find a good number
I devised while fitting bungees.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ron schick
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> You'll need a four letter vocabulary, and a second pair of
> hands helps. I
> got seven wraps single handed but was to tuckered cuss
> anymore when done.
> Ron NB Ore
>
>
> >From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords Date: Thu, 12 Oct
> 2006 22:48:18 EDT
> >
> >I am getting ready to replace my old ones do I need any
> special tools mal
>
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| Subject: | Getting tail wheel up. |
The CG may be ok and still have the weight fooled up. As any canoeist
will
tell you the best place to have your weight is close to the centre of
the
canoe... keep the ends light.
My father built a plane that required the battery be mounted almost
right
over the tail wheel. I dirty double dog dare any one to keep a spring
on
that tail wheel! what my father and others had forgotten to take into
consideration was the inertia of that weight in the tail. It is not
only
the balance of the plane that needs to be considered but also the
inertia of
Twenty ( or however many ) pounds of lead in the tail that once it
starts
going down will want continue going down.
I think it's better to have 50 lb. parked behind the seats than have
twenty
lb. over the tail wheel. I certainly wouldn't have any weight further
back
than half the distance form the trailing edge of the wing to the tail.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Getting tail wheel up.
Dave,
I guess we shouldn't critisize but my concerns are that he
is
dragging that tail across the rough stuff for a very long time and due
to
postings of broken tail wheels etc I think it's cause to worry. Plus he
might not always have that much space to get airborne.
Fair enough you have also flown the plane and had the same problem so
let's blame the plane rather than the pilot.
So what is the problem. I'm no expert but it would seem to me he
might
have his C of G too far back. ie:- too much weight on the tail. Another
possibiitty is not enough down elevator. Perhaps he has both problems.
However while he has the tail down dragging like that that is slowing
him
down as is pushing that wing through the air at that angle of attack, so
hence the very long time to get airborne and all that torture to the
back
end.
You say it climbs well once airborn. Well I guess both those problems
would not effect climb in fact they might help. However for the sake of
the
tailwheel assembly and rear frame I do think it would be in his best
interests to sort the problem. Neither aft C of G or down elevator
travel
should take much fixing. Maybe someone has adjusted elevator control to
improve flair authority at the cost of down elevator. However gap
sealing is
a better answer. I need to pull my stick right back hard into the seat
cushion but if I do that she lands just perfect, dare I say in a 3 point
attitude !
Rex.
Time: 06:14:24 PM PST US
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video
Rex,
I have flown that Avid and it won't come off nearly as quick as my
Kitfox or the Kitfox 1 in video. Why? I have no idea but it climbs
real well one off the ground.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Video
Hi Guy,
What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times and
yet no
one has responded
I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox
flying with
excellent short field performance.
I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes
perform
..
Dave
I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the Blue Avid to
lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
speed then we might have a comparison,
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
Do what I did after hours of cussing , call grove and send it asap?
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
Instead of cussing like I did for hours and hours, Call grove and have them
send you the alum gear?
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Michel,
You're pointing to a very important problem -soon to come...
First, the PRC 1422(a..B) Pro-Seal, is a well known fuel sealing compound
much used for both jet fuel and 100LL. This compound is mostly used as a
sealer between joints in wet tanks, but also as a sealer for fasteners
etc. inside fuel tanks. The PRC 1422 "never" harden, but will keep it's
good elastomeric qualities for a very long time.. The problem is that
it's a stuff with "high" viscosity, I.E. cant be sprayed.
Here's a link to the "famous" site :) :
http://www.bergdahl.com/Aerocat.htm
Now to the problem, the ethanol fuel E85.
I do not think this kind of fuel can be used for "todays" aviation.
Firstly, we'll need to find out more accurate information about various
Resins vs. Ethanol and "fiberglass degrade".
So, what kind of resin is used in YOUR Kitfox??? My Kitfox model II (93
mod) is made with West System Resin (the fuel tanks).
Well, here's a little info, copied from the "official" guide, issued by:
The U.S. Department of Energy
----------------------------------------------------------------
Some materials are known to
become degraded by contact with
fuel ethanol blends having high
alcohol concentrations. Zinc, brass,
lead, and aluminum are some of
these sensitive metals. Terne (leadtin-
alloy)-plated steel, which is commonly
used for gasoline fuel tanks,
and lead-based solder are also
incompatible with fuel ethanol.
Avoid using these metals because of
the possibility of vehicle failure or
fuel contamination. Unplated steel,
stainless steel, black iron, and bronze have shown acceptable
resistance to corrosion by ethanol.
Nonmetallic materials that degrade when in contact
with fuel ethanol include natural rubber, polyurethane,
cork gasket material, leather, polyester-bonded fiberglass
laminate, polyvinyl chloride (PVC), polyamides, and
methyl-methacrylate plastics. Nonmetallic materials
that have been successfully used with fuel ethanol
include Buna-N, Neoprene rubber, polyethylene, nylon,
polypropylene, nitrile, Viton, and Teflon.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
You see, aluminum and brass (our carburetor), is among the material that
won't stand the Ethanol...
Ok., here's the link to the full document about Ethanol fuel (E85):
http://www.agriculture.state.ia.us/pdfs/ethguide.pdf
This is recommended reading for every one of us.
Torgeir.
A happy model II flier, with Avid wing :) , sure you too Michel...
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:55:00 +0200, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Greetings, Kitfoxers,
> We have been talking about the danger of ethanol in our fiberglass tanks
> for a long time. I have already mentionned what I read on the Jabiru
> Engine list but ... here it is again:
>
> A gentleman called Bill Evans writes:
>
> "The airlines, military and others use thiokol based rubber sealants to
> seal their tanks. Brand names is PRC. You want PRC1422 A2. It's now
> manufactured by ProSeal. Normally lasts for generations."
>
> To what I reply, as previously said on this list: "Yes, but it can't be
> sloshed in our existing tanks."
>
> To what Bill answers:
>
> "So the PRC is not thin but is pourable. The solvent is Methyl Ethyl
> Ketone. (You can only do this outdoors and with the wind to your back.)
> MEK is somewhat soluble in PRC. You use a paint mixer in an electric
> drill, and thin the PRC with MEK until the sealant will flow
> sufficiently to get 100% coverage. Slosh would be too optimistic. You
> could also spray it in with a new garden sprayer, but that would also
> "seal" the future of your garden sprayer. I have done this... Sprayed
> PRC."
>
> Guys, my brain is as empty as a barrel of beer after being raided by a
> bunch of Norwegian soccer hooligans! Make up your mind on the above
> information and let me know what the jury has decided. Can we do it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chili Re-Hop? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Boy, if I'm NOT ready by then, sumpthin' is terribly wrong. : )
Lynn
p.s. I'm looking forward to it
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On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 02:46 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
> <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> There's a upcoming event we could join in on - Allegan, MI (35D)
> - it seems there some energy to merge Chili and flying et again.
> I got tailwheel training at Dodgens, the event sponser.
>
> There's both grass and paved runways, a friendly gang, at there's a
> very beautiful Kitfox is based there... (maybe others will join in)
> * [Wink] Maybe Lynn will be ready by then?
> * :D Maybe the weather will be good?
>
> - Allegan airport details
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/35D
> - FBO.. very nice people
> http://www.dodgenaircraft.com/
>
>
> The Event basics
> Sunday, October 29th beginning at 1:00 pm.
> Chili-Cook-off at the Airport.
> - prizes will be given for the best chili.
>
> Come join other area pilots to enjoying the fellowship of pilots and
> some great chili on a Sunday afternoon.
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67544#67544
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting tail wheel up. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Excellent Noel,
Also to mention, to much mass (inertia) in the tail can change an
aircrafts performance dramatically, I.E. a spin is not possible to exit
due to high tail inertia. Simply because there's not enough "tail surface"
to cope with such a high energy.
As a builder we can keep most of the "mass" in the middle. :)
This is something very important to consider, if you plan to use the
battery as a "counterweight". Move "anything else" slightly before the
battery is right over the tail wheel.
Keep up the good work.
Torgeir.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:44:39 +0200, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
> The CG may be ok and still have the weight fooled up. As any canoeist
> will
> tell you the best place to have your weight is close to the centre of the
> canoe... keep the ends light.
> My father built a plane that required the battery be mounted almost right
> over the tail wheel. I dirty double dog dare any one to keep a spring on
> that tail wheel! what my father and others had forgotten to take into
> consideration was the inertia of that weight in the tail. It is not only
> the balance of the plane that needs to be considered but also the
> inertia of
> Twenty ( or however many ) pounds of lead in the tail that once it
> starts
> going down will want continue going down.
> I think it's better to have 50 lb. parked behind the seats than have
> twenty
> lb. over the tail wheel. I certainly wouldn't have any weight further
> back
> than half the distance form the trailing edge of the wing to the tail.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:34 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Getting tail wheel up.
>
>
> Dave,
> I guess we shouldn't critisize but my concerns are that he
> is
> dragging that tail across the rough stuff for a very long time and due to
> postings of broken tail wheels etc I think it's cause to worry. Plus he
> might not always have that much space to get airborne.
> Fair enough you have also flown the plane and had the same problem so
> let's blame the plane rather than the pilot.
> So what is the problem. I'm no expert but it would seem to me he might
> have his C of G too far back. ie:- too much weight on the tail. Another
> possibiitty is not enough down elevator. Perhaps he has both problems.
> However while he has the tail down dragging like that that is slowing him
> down as is pushing that wing through the air at that angle of attack, so
> hence the very long time to get airborne and all that torture to the back
> end.
> You say it climbs well once airborn. Well I guess both those problems
> would not effect climb in fact they might help. However for the sake of
> the
> tailwheel assembly and rear frame I do think it would be in his best
> interests to sort the problem. Neither aft C of G or down elevator travel
> should take much fixing. Maybe someone has adjusted elevator control to
> improve flair authority at the cost of down elevator. However gap
> sealing is
> a better answer. I need to pull my stick right back hard into the seat
> cushion but if I do that she lands just perfect, dare I say in a 3 point
> attitude !
> Rex.
> Time: 06:14:24 PM PST US
> From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video
>
> Rex,
> I have flown that Avid and it won't come off nearly as quick as my
> Kitfox or the Kitfox 1 in video. Why? I have no idea but it climbs
> real well one off the ground.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rex Shaw
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:45 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Video
>
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
> I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few hundred times and
> yet no
> one has responded
> I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox
> flying with
> excellent short field performance.
> I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other simular planes
> perform
> ..
> Dave
>
> I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the Blue Avid to
> lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
> speed then we might have a comparison,
> Rex.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a kitfox trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
You got it, Rex. They're pretty simple...
Lynn
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On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 03:26 PM, GypsyBeeInnkeepers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GypsyBeeInnkeepers
> <hefferans@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Lynn, send me those photos too, will ya? - rhefferan (at) gmail.com
> I was planning to create my own bi-folds and haven't committed to
> anything yet.
>
> Rex
> Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Chili Re-Hop? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
I'll keep my eye out for a tuba and maybe I'll be able to learn how to play it....
I'll be watching for your wheel landing:)
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67596#67596
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| Subject: | Re: Chili Re-Hop? |
I look forward to seeing you on the 29th at Allegan.
John May
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
Boy, if I'm NOT ready by then, sumpthin' is terribly wrong. : )
Lynn
p.s. I'm looking forward to it
do not archive
On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 02:46 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
>
>
> There's a upcoming event we could join in on - Allegan, MI (35D)
> - it seems there some energy to merge Chili and flying et again.
> I got tailwheel training at Dodgens, the event sponser.
>
> There's both grass and paved runways, a friendly gang, at there's a
> very beautiful Kitfox is based there... (maybe others will join in)
> * [Wink] Maybe Lynn will be ready by then?
> * :D Maybe the weather will be good?
>
> - Allegan airport details
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/35D
> - FBO.. very nice people
> http://www.dodgenaircraft.com/
>
>
> The Event basics
> Sunday, October 29th beginning at 1:00 pm.
> Chili-Cook-off at the Airport.
> - prizes will be given for the best chili.
>
> Come join other area pilots to enjoying the fellowship of pilots and
> some great chili on a Sunday afternoon.
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67544#67544
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Bungees have not been an issue for about 6 years here, but a wooden wedge
shaped to fit between the top bulkhead tube and the bungee in the slot did a
lot to keep each wrap from slipping. I was able to wrap with bungee to
spare. Changing the bungees stopped being a major problem thereafter.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> I can see every one enjoys putting the bungees on as much as I did. I've
> tried olive oil it was ok but the best thing was a piece of rope put
> through
> the eye that I could use the reem on.
>
> Any one with a dictionary of four letter expletives will find a good
> number
> I devised while fitting bungees.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> ron schick
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:35 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
>> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>>
>> You'll need a four letter vocabulary, and a second pair of
>> hands helps. I
>> got seven wraps single handed but was to tuckered cuss
>> anymore when done.
>> Ron NB Ore
>>
>>
>> >From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords Date: Thu, 12 Oct
>> 2006 22:48:18 EDT
>> >
>> >I am getting ready to replace my old ones do I need any
>> special tools mal
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting tail wheel up. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'd hate to have a battery mounted right over the (bouncy?) tailwheel,
unless it was a gel-cell maybe?
Lynn
On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 05:44 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> The CG may be ok and still have the weight fooled up. As any canoeist
> will tell you the best place to have your weight is close to the
> centre of the canoe... keep the ends light.
>
> My father built a plane that required the battery be mounted almost
> right over the tail wheel. I dirty double dog dare any one to keep a
> spring on that tail wheel! what my father and others had forgotten to
> take into consideration was the inertia of that weight in the tail.
> It is not only the balance of the plane that needs to be considered
> but also the inertia of Twenty ( or however many ) pounds of lead in
> the tail that once it starts going down will want continue going down.
>
> I think it's better to have 50 lb. parked behind the seats than have
> twenty lb. over the tail wheel. I certainly wouldn't have any weight
> further back than half the distance form the trailing edge of the wing
> to the tail.
>
>
>
> Noel
>
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I only cussed once, and that was when I wrote out the check for the
Grove gear. I've saved all the rest of the cussin' for the damned
weather around here!
Lynn
On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 05:44 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> I can see every one enjoys putting the bungees on as much as I did.
> I've
> tried olive oil it was ok but the best thing was a piece of rope put
> through
> the eye that I could use the reem on.
>
> Any one with a dictionary of four letter expletives will find a good
> number
> I devised while fitting bungees.
>
> Noel
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox CFI is Moving... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Hey List,
Well, this comes as bad news to Mark (Sorry Mark!), and maybe good news to a
Kitfoxer in the Pacific Northwest?
My Flight School is sending me to Portland, OR - well, Salem, OR...and I
leave Jax, FL first thing in the morning. It looks like I may be there for
several months (I know I won't be in any rush to leave!!) until I get picked
up by an Airline - (Holding out for Air Wisconsin!)
So, my offer still stands to the list - I know it can be difficult to find a
Kitfox CFI...
Blue Skies and Happy Flying!
Andrew
CFI/CFII/MEI
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I did a little research on the alcohol issue. The majority of the talk is in
the boating world where the fiberglass tanks have deteriated in some cases
and more seriously, in some cases residues, possibly from the affected tanks
have resulted in engine damage.
The good news seems to indicate that the affected fiberglass tanks were made
prior to the mid 1980s - at least for those that have models built after
that date.
For those interested do a Google search on Ethanol and Fiberglass fuel
tanks.
It is comforting that we Kitfox folks are not the only ones concerned about
this issue and there is info out there.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
>> In my opinion, no.
>
> Thank you, Don. Your explanation makes perfect sense to me. I mentioned
> once again PRC because Bill, on the Jabiru list, couldn't understand what
> the problem was with ethanol. My initial posting there was to say, in an
> answer to: is the Jabiru fuel pump and carby gaskets ethanol resistant?;
> - "I can always replace hoses and gaskets but what about fiberglass
> tanks?"
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
The last two years at about half past December I took the Aerocet floats
off
and put the funny round things on, bled the brakes and hoped for some
decent
ice conditions to get airborne. As far as I got with it was to do some
slow
speed taxiing on one of the aprons at Gander International. Last year I
didn't get that far.
This winter I'm going to hold off removing the floats until I see some
pretty good ice.
Why ice??? I like my landing strip to be more than thirty miles
long.... or
is that wide?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sjklerks@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: bungie cords
Instead of cussing like I did for hours and hours, Call grove and have
them
send you the alum gear?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I'm going to have a look at that.... Sounds like a good idea... Easy on the
fingers too.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:14 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bungees have not been an issue for about 6 years here, but a
> wooden wedge
> shaped to fit between the top bulkhead tube and the bungee in
> the slot did a
> lot to keep each wrap from slipping. I was able to wrap with
> bungee to
> spare. Changing the bungees stopped being a major problem thereafter.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:44 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > I can see every one enjoys putting the bungees on as much
> as I did. I've
> > tried olive oil it was ok but the best thing was a piece of
> rope put
> > through
> > the eye that I could use the reem on.
> >
> > Any one with a dictionary of four letter expletives will
> find a good
> > number
> > I devised while fitting bungees.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> ron schick
> >> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:35 AM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> >> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> You'll need a four letter vocabulary, and a second pair of
> >> hands helps. I
> >> got seven wraps single handed but was to tuckered cuss
> >> anymore when done.
> >> Ron NB Ore
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
> >> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords Date: Thu, 12 Oct
> >> 2006 22:48:18 EDT
> >> >
> >> >I am getting ready to replace my old ones do I need any
> >> special tools mal
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Hope you saved some good ones for the weather around here.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:31 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I only cussed once, and that was when I wrote out the check for the
> Grove gear. I've saved all the rest of the cussin' for the damned
> weather around here!
>
> Lynn
> On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 05:44 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > I can see every one enjoys putting the bungees on as much
> as I did.
> > I've
> > tried olive oil it was ok but the best thing was a piece of
> rope put
> > through
> > the eye that I could use the reem on.
> >
> > Any one with a dictionary of four letter expletives will
> find a good
> > number
> > I devised while fitting bungees.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
The fun starts ... I think there are a few cars on the road today with
composite or plastic gas tanks. I wonder what will happen to them when they
have been exposed to EA85 for a year or so.
I still think ethanol is not the answer.... It is just a corrosive
diversion to get a few more votes.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I did a little research on the alcohol issue. The majority of
> the talk is in
> the boating world where the fiberglass tanks have deteriated
> in some cases
> and more seriously, in some cases residues, possibly from the
> affected tanks
> have resulted in engine damage.
>
> The good news seems to indicate that the affected fiberglass
> tanks were made
> prior to the mid 1980s - at least for those that have models
> built after
> that date.
>
>
> For those interested do a Google search on Ethanol and
> Fiberglass fuel
> tanks.
>
> It is comforting that we Kitfox folks are not the only ones
> concerned about
> this issue and there is info out there.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol and fiberglass tanks - once again
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> >> In my opinion, no.
> >
> > Thank you, Don. Your explanation makes perfect sense to me.
> I mentioned
> > once again PRC because Bill, on the Jabiru list, couldn't
> understand what
> > the problem was with ethanol. My initial posting there was
> to say, in an
> > answer to: is the Jabiru fuel pump and carby gaskets
> ethanol resistant?;
> > - "I can always replace hoses and gaskets but what about
> fiberglass
> > tanks?"
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
It takes all of 15 minutes a side to install the bungees . If anyone
wants to know how email me personally and i will gladly let you know .
It is no different than finally learning how to fly the TD kitfiox and
love it . took a little bit of time and thought and just a few ty wraps
and now its down to a science. Also there is not one thing at all wrong
with the bungee gear it is light and plenty strong Have over 600 hours
on my baby now .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582/ subbie soon
TD/ Straight floats
HOT PINK IVO inflight
----- Original Message -----
From: Sjklerks@aol.com
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: bungie cords
Instead of cussing like I did for hours and hours, Call grove and have
them send you the alum gear?
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| Subject: | Re: bungie cords |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I've got some dandy's saved up for this winter. This'll be my first
winter of (hopefully) flying my bird, and I'm betting it's a long
windy, snowy one. The trouble is, it seems to have started early around
here, as we just set or tied State (Michigan) records for earliest/most
snowfall. Folks in the Upper Peninsula got 20" yesterday, with
Kalamazoo getting 6.5", and that's just 65 miles west of me.....wahhhh,
I want to take my checkride!
Lynn
do not archive
On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 09:13 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hope you saved some good ones for the weather around here.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:31 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bungie cords
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> I only cussed once, and that was when I wrote out the check for the
>> Grove gear. I've saved all the rest of the cussin' for the damned
>> weather around here!
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Friday, October 13, 2006, at 05:44 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>>
>>> I can see every one enjoys putting the bungees on as much
>> as I did.
>>> I've
>>> tried olive oil it was ok but the best thing was a piece of
>> rope put
>>> through
>>> the eye that I could use the reem on.
>>>
>>> Any one with a dictionary of four letter expletives will
>> find a good
>>> number
>>> I devised while fitting bungees.
>>>
>>> Noel
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Getting tail wheel up. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
The plane my father built was a Volmer Jensen VJ22 Sportsman. Through the
jigs and reels he ended up with a 125 Hp Lycoming that came out of a
Tripacer that didn't make it across the big pond. The tower he had welded
up for the engine didn't take into consideration the different CG for the
tractor as opposed to the pusher originally designed. I always said that
pane would have handled a lot better if the engine were 9" further back and
the battery was 6' further forward.
They don't print the kind of money to get me to spin that plane.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Torgeir Mortensen
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Getting tail wheel up.
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen"
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Excellent Noel,
>
> Also to mention, to much mass (inertia) in the tail can change an
> aircraft's performance dramatically, I.E. a spin is not
> possible to exit
> due to high tail inertia. Simply because there's not enough
> "tail surface"
> to cope with such a high energy.
>
> As a builder we can keep most of the "mass" in the middle. :)
>
> This is something very important to consider, if you plan to use the
> battery as a "counterweight". Move "anything else" slightly
> before the
> battery is right over the tail wheel.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:44:39 +0200, Noel Loveys
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > The CG may be ok and still have the weight fooled up. As
> any canoeist
> > will
> > tell you the best place to have your weight is close to the
> centre of the
> > canoe... keep the ends light.
> > My father built a plane that required the battery be
> mounted almost right
> > over the tail wheel. I dirty double dog dare any one to
> keep a spring on
> > that tail wheel! what my father and others had forgotten
> to take into
> > consideration was the inertia of that weight in the tail.
> It is not only
> > the balance of the plane that needs to be considered but also the
> > inertia of
> > Twenty ( or however many ) pounds of lead in the tail that
> once it
> > starts
> > going down will want continue going down.
> > I think it's better to have 50 lb. parked behind the seats
> than have
> > twenty
> > lb. over the tail wheel. I certainly wouldn't have any
> weight further
> > back
> > than half the distance form the trailing edge of the wing
> to the tail.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Rex Shaw
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:34 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Getting tail wheel up.
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> > I guess we shouldn't critisize but my
> concerns are that he
> > is
> > dragging that tail across the rough stuff for a very long
> time and due to
> > postings of broken tail wheels etc I think it's cause to
> worry. Plus he
> > might not always have that much space to get airborne.
> > Fair enough you have also flown the plane and had the
> same problem so
> > let's blame the plane rather than the pilot.
> > So what is the problem. I'm no expert but it would seem
> to me he might
> > have his C of G too far back. ie:- too much weight on the
> tail. Another
> > possibiitty is not enough down elevator. Perhaps he has
> both problems.
> > However while he has the tail down dragging like that that
> is slowing him
> > down as is pushing that wing through the air at that angle
> of attack, so
> > hence the very long time to get airborne and all that
> torture to the back
> > end.
> > You say it climbs well once airborn. Well I guess both
> those problems
> > would not effect climb in fact they might help. However for
> the sake of
> > the
> > tailwheel assembly and rear frame I do think it would be in his best
> > interests to sort the problem. Neither aft C of G or down
> elevator travel
> > should take much fixing. Maybe someone has adjusted
> elevator control to
> > improve flair authority at the cost of down elevator. However gap
> > sealing is
> > a better answer. I need to pull my stick right back hard
> into the seat
> > cushion but if I do that she lands just perfect, dare I say
> in a 3 point
> > attitude !
> >
> Rex.
> > Time: 06:14:24 PM PST US
> > From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video
> >
> > Rex,
> > I have flown that Avid and it won't come off nearly as quick as my
> > Kitfox or the Kitfox 1 in video. Why? I have no idea but it climbs
> > real well one off the ground.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rex Shaw
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:45 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Video
> >
> >
> > Hi Guy,
> >
> > What did you think of that video I posted last week ?
> > I have been away, yet it has been downloaded a few
> hundred times and
> > yet no
> > one has responded
> > I surely hope it will be of some help for you to get your Kitfox
> > flying with
> > excellent short field performance.
> > I did that basically for you to show you how 3 other
> simular planes
> > perform
> > ..
> > Dave
> >
> > I would comment that someone should tell the guy in the
> Blue Avid to
> > lift his tail and get zero angle of attack while he picks up flying
> > speed then we might have a comparison,
> > Rex.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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