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1. 12:17 AM - Cleaning out the hangar - CPS 2-cycle Oil (wmtatham@juno.com)
2. 01:03 AM - SV: OFF TOPIC: UTC and Zulu time (Michel Verheughe)
3. 01:19 AM - Re: For Michel Verheughe / "Haute Voltage au Japon" (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:20 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Lynn Matteson)
5. 03:38 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Lynn Matteson)
6. 04:19 AM - Re: Windmilling. Props..... (jim)
7. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Help changing fuel lines (Glenn Horne)
8. 05:24 AM - Re: UTC (wwillyard@aol.com)
9. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: 582 W/ chopped muffler Very interesting (Dave)
10. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: 582 W/ chopped muffler Very interesting (Dave)
11. 05:47 AM - Re: PRop Drag (Noel Loveys)
12. 05:47 AM - Super cooling. WAS: sadly a kitfox is down glide.... (Michel Verheughe)
13. 05:54 AM - Mixing brands (Larry Martin)
14. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: UTC (Michel Verheughe)
15. 06:43 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Noel Loveys)
16. 06:51 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Rueb, Duane)
17. 06:52 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: Windmilling (Noel Loveys)
18. 07:12 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Noel Loveys)
19. 07:24 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Noel Loveys)
20. 07:38 AM - Re: off topic.Re: UTC (Noel Loveys)
21. 08:49 AM - Re: Mixing brands (Bob Unternaehrer)
22. 09:01 AM - Re: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag (Marco Menezes)
23. 09:01 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Lynn Matteson)
24. 09:05 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Lynn Matteson)
25. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: UTC (Lynn Matteson)
26. 09:09 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Ted Palamarek)
27. 09:53 AM - Throttle versus RPM (Charles Bloom)
28. 10:15 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Michael Gibbs)
29. 10:24 AM - Parting out Model II (Tew, Stan)
30. 10:32 AM - Re: Sport pilot at last! (Fred Shiple)
31. 11:01 AM - Re: Parting out Model II (Dave Wahlquist)
32. 11:12 AM - Re: Parting out Model II (Jose M. Toro)
33. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Lynn Matteson)
34. 11:32 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Rueb, Duane)
35. 11:37 AM - Model IV Kitfox for sale in TX (flier)
36. 11:40 AM - Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight (Lynn Matteson)
37. 11:42 AM - Re: Parting out Model II (Richard Rabbers)
38. 12:10 PM - Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight (Dave)
39. 01:46 PM - Re:parting out mod II (GONER752@aol.com)
40. 03:34 PM - Re: SV: OFF TOPIC: UTC and Zulu time (Guy Buchanan)
41. 05:01 PM - Re: SV: OFF TOPIC: UTC and Zulu time (Lynn Matteson)
42. 05:08 PM - Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight (Lynn Matteson)
43. 05:12 PM - Ethanol (Rex Shaw)
44. 05:20 PM - Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight (Dave)
45. 06:47 PM - Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight (Lynn Matteson)
46. 06:50 PM - Re: Parting out Model II (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
47. 08:41 PM - Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight (Lowell Fitt)
48. 08:52 PM - Re: Parting out Model II (ron schick)
49. 09:43 PM - North florida (Mark Thompson)
50. 09:55 PM - Re: Parting out Model II ()
51. 09:59 PM - Re: Parting out Model II ()
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| Subject: | Cleaning out the hangar - CPS 2-cycle Oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wmtatham@juno.com" <wmtatham@juno.com>
Howdy, all,
I sold my Kolb (dont shoot) last December and have some 2-cycle oil
to let loose of. I thought some Kitfox listers might be interested.
Ive got 13 quarts of the California Power Systems AV-2 2-cycle oil.
This is the 50% mineral base and 50% synthetic blend. Please contact
me 'off list' if you have an interest in this. Im located in NW
Ohio. Thanks.
Will Tatham
wmtatham@juno.com
419 423 7075
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: UTC and Zulu time |
> From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net]
> - maybe French, Michel? the acronym is more correct.
Negative, Sir! While many "rocked letters" acronyms are French (OTAN for NATO,
and SIDA for AIDS) I know UTC, in French, for "temps universel" or TU.
But the French had their saying in it, Lowell. You see, the prime meridian has
during the past centuries been many different places, like Amsterdam, Rome, Paris
and ... Greenwich. For Christopher Columbus, it was the Islas Fortunadas,
known today as the Canaries Islands.
Until the end of the 19th century, the French simply refused to adopt the most
common reference; the Greenwich meridian and had their own chart printed with
Paris as the first meridian with an offset in the margin for Greenwich. Since
then, they were forced to adopt this arbitrary reference point but insisted that
it should be called something else than a reference to a place in UK. Hence
the new name of UTC, which replaces now GMT.
For those of you who fear that Santa Claus won't bring them the correct Christmas
gift, defeat your destiny by ordering today a fantastic book called "Longitude"
by Dava Sobel. You'll find it at amazon.com. A very little book but very
well written by a women, who explain in a fresh but simple language, the need
to obtain a mean of finding longitude, and the fantastic achievement of Harrison,
an English watchmaker.
As a child, I heard my aviator father talking about Zulu time. From what I understand,
there is a major difference between Zulu and UTC.
Zulu is the name given to the time zone at Greenwich. Time zones east of Greenwich
are called Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc. and west of Greenwich; Mike, November,
etc.
Today, and mostly in aviation, only Zulu is used, as a synomym of UTC or GMT. So,
during the Norwegian summer, our local time is UTC+2 or Bravo, although the
latter is seldom or never used anymore.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | For Michel Verheughe / "Haute Voltage au Japon" |
> From: icaza francisco [franicaza@yahoo.com.mx]
> Once you told the list about a very nice video called
> "Haute Voltage au Japon", from FAI.
Hola Francisco,
It is here:
http://francois.ravaillac.free.fr/video/voltige.php
If you googled "Haute Voltage au Japon" you wouldn't find it because there was
a simple yet important typo: "Voltage" is the same in French as in English; the
measure of electrical pressure. While "voltige" means ... aerobatics.
While almost similar, the two words have very distinct semantic origins: "Voltige"
comes from the Latin "Volare" (Spanish "volar," as you know) which means,
to fly. On the other hand, "Voltage" comes from the name of the Italian physicist
Volta who invented the first battery.
Saludos,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My favorite example of the metric versus inch/foot/mile system (what is
is called, anyway?) is when I used to order motion picture film (yeah,
I'm THAT old) was seeing the dimensions of 16mm x 100feet....talk about
your mixed metaphors.
I've always thought in inches and don't want to change...I know the
decimal equivalents of nearly all the fractions, and can usually do the
math in my head for those that I don't recall. I don't want to learn a
new system at this late date, thank you. : )
I am willing to concede that the metric system is easier to deal with,
and often use it when measuring something to be divided into equal
parts, but I'm able to do it either way.
For a beginning student, I agree that the metric system is easier...I'm
not completely stubborn. : )
Lynn
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> The UTC I can't explain. In the days when the British Empire was
> becoming
> the Commonwealth the centre for time was changed to Z, or Zulu from GMT
> Greenwich Mean Time to reflect a more international, for lack of a
> better
> word flavour. Of course Zulu is the recognized phonetic word to
> represent
> the letter "Z" so Z and Zulu are the same. What perplexes me is why
> it's
> UTC and not CUT. Maybe some one at the UN may know.
>
> As for using the different systems of measurement the only one I ever
> had
> problems with was the old English Sterling currency. Like everyone I
> knew
> that a pound was around $2.50 - $3.00. But when you got into Crowns,
> Guineas, Pennies and Farthings... Sheeesh!
>
> The best thing that happened north of the 49 was when they rammed the
> international metric system down our unwilling throats. I was lucky
> there
> as at the time I was studying physics in high school and doing
> everything
> metric was just a lot easier. Funny though I still think of speed in
> miles
> per hour. I think of distances in both kilometres and miles and
> gasoline in
> gallons (Imperial Gallons 4.55 L) even though Gas is only sold here by
> the
> litre. The major loss in the implementation of the metric system is
> the
> loss of the pint of beer. The answer ... Beer on tap!
>
> That reminds me.... Time for a cold one.
>
> Good night :-)
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the enlightenment Lowell, and Michel...that was interesting.
I'm still wondering though, about the jumbling of the letters UTC to
represent Coordinated Universal Time. Did I miss the explanation in my
reading just now?
Lynn
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Read all about it.
>
> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/MAEL/ag/zulu.htm
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
>
> Lowell
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> If anybody can follow the paper trail of this "Coordinated Universal
>> Time-----UTC------Zulu------Z-------Greenwich, England" thing, or
>> knows the reasoning behind the "code", please enlighten me and >> others.
>> Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windmilling. Props..... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jim <jimrody@wi.rr.com>
"Centering" the prop is a must do as soon as power is shut off when were
racing the sailboat. It requires a crew member to crawl down by the
shaft and turn it until a placed line on the shaft and a line on the hub
are aligned. Then putting the engine back into gear.This means that the
folding prop is now in a horizontal position so both halves will flow
aft thus creating the least drag. That's how it's done. When the skipper
yells for someone to center the prop we all sorta look at each other,
it's a pain in the ass. .
I certainly hope it would be a little easier once the engine goes
quiet while flying. It would have to be something automatic, theres
enough things to think about when unexpectedly dead sticking it I presume.
JR
> Since I have been so chatty.... Ill blab some more..... sorry
>
> I was raised around sailboats, all types from Sun Fish to a 100 foot
> ketch, and depending on the sail boat, ie racer or cruiser... most
> have some form of drag reduction while under sail by locking the prop
> so it can not windmill or folding or even feathering....
>
> Locking the shaft is the simplest and a big improvement..... it always
> amazed me, not to mention so much quieter....
>
> Back to flying :-)
>
> Ahoy
>
> Dave Patrick
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Help changing fuel lines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
I have the same valve on my Kitfox II. It came
with the kit.
Glenn, Kitfox Model II 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Help changing fuel lines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
> Nothing wrong with good fitting correctly sized hose clamps. Used on
> French helicopters for years.
>
>
> From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Help changing fuel lines
> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:46:29 -0700
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Here's a picture with another angle in case it's unclear what I'm looking
> at. I gather that the fuel shut off valve has barbed fittings and the
> builder somehow crimped the fuel line over that. Is there a tool I need to
> buy to reproduce this? Would it be advisable to just replace this with a
> hose clamp?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68205#68205
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/valve2_130.jpg
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids
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>
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Lynn, maybe this will help some.
http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html
Bill W.
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>What bothers me about the UTC thing is that it stands for (I've been told, and
I have read) Coordinated >Universal Time. If so, why is it not abbreviated CTU?
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| Subject: | Re: 582 W/ chopped muffler Very interesting |
That just about sum up my feelings as well. Rotax is smarter than
allot give them credit for and they do make good engines with good
reliability. Unfortunately allot try to compare the 2 stroke parts to
the similar snowmobile parts and claim robbery. Well I think for
example that allot of 582 parts are exclusively made for the 582 and are
made for continuous running like crank bearings. Also the pistons are
not same either. Most of the bad mouthing that Rotax gets is from folks
that are basically ignorant to how you are supposed to run them
"properly"
I just raised my needles yesterday(lowered the clip) and re-pitched a
bit finer and got in near 2 hours of flying yesterday and stubborn me
pulled one plug from each cylinder to see them still looking good with a
little carbon on them but I left them in for a bit longer, they have
close to 60 hours on them and still running well.
We want reliability and by changing to a performance muffler will give
you better performance but you will shorten the life of your engine.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 W/ chopped muffler Very interesting
I am so conservative .... if Rotax says "X" its "X" to me.
Personally, I have to believe they know a lot more about their engine
than any of us, simply by virtue of the number of engines they sell and
support compared to an individual or even a group.
Now, nothing is perfect, and engines have moving parts and it can
fail. We all have heard of it happening. Lets try to manage these
risks wisely
That being said, I was at a fly-in and saw a very nice Rans with a big
chromed tuned pipe proudly sticking out the side the fuse. It was
pretty awesome so I asked the owner about it. I forgot the details, but
he was claiming really big horse power ( I think 80 or 90) and how he
changed this and that and how fast it could climb and so on. It was
Cool! I wanted one of those...
I asked, doesn't that stress the engine? Nah, he responded, it is
designed for much more than that and in fact he just returned from 1,000
mile cross country problem free. I was impressed!!
There was one dead stick during that fly in. We can guess which one,
in fact, I think it "grenaded". He had to trailer it home.
Maybe it might have failed anyway, but, I doubt it.
I go by the book, I know its boring......
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 582 W/ chopped muffler Very interesting |
Mal, I would like to add that fuel flow at rpm is important as well.
For example if you are too course of pitch and you run WOT 5500 rpm
then your 5400 rpm at 68 mph now turns in to a gas guzzler that is
straining it's self. I think my 582 at 5400 rpm is about 13 or 14
litres per hour. But if ou were too coarse a pitch that could be 25
litres per hour ansd really lugging hte engine.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 W/ chopped muffler Very interesting
Bravo Dave the muffler mod came from Kit fox and I would prefer to
have it original my self on the up side producing less power provides
moor reliability. And I still get 68mph out of 5400rpm. lower rpm
equates to even longer duty cycle malcolm
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I was advised to set my idle to around 1500 rpm. and to use that speed
only
to assist in getting the plane back on the ground. Once on the ground
speed
the idle up to at least 2000 rpm or higher if required to get the engine
to
run smoothly. That's what I've been doing for two years.
The person who told me this I believe was talking about getting a light
wheeled "Fox" back on the ground. Mine is always within a hundred
pounds or
so of gross because of the floats and my XXL non-economy size.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: PRop Drag
I put a clutch on my 582. It disengages at about 2400 rpm which I can
only
achieve with the choke out (i've changed idle jets a few times, it's the
best I can get). My Fox used to "float" quite alot on landing. Now I pop
out
the choke and she settles right now. Apply it earlier on short final and
sink rate increases considerably.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Super cooling. WAS: sadly a kitfox is down glide.... |
> From: Algate [algate@attglobal.net]
> The only problem associated with super cooling would be related to a re
> start and there is a procedure in the manual for that.
That has also crossed my mind, Ben and Gary. That's why I only switch off the engine
on short final, and never do a touch and go after. It's always on my last
full-stop landing. I have tried to install a cowl flap to prevent shock cooling
but it didn't seem to affect the temp at all.
What I concentrate on is to do a precision landing with the engine off. I think
that's the most important to be prepared for an emergency landing because ...
farming fields are tiny, in Norway, as opposed to the plains of Illinois, USA!
:-)
So, I put myself a bit too high on the glide path, keep a constant 55 MPH speed,
and adjust my altitude by side-slipping. When everything goes well, I land on
the mark, roll down the 1,000 ft to the exitway, and have still a bit of inertia
to turn off the active runway before I start again my engine to taxi to the
hangar ... in front of the admiring and cheering girls from the nearby nurse
school! (... okay, the last sentence was only in my dreams but the rest is true.
:-)
Cheers,
Michel
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I have heard before that it is not wise to mix brands of oil in an
injection system without sucking the old out and changing the filter.
If true, why is this? I poured some of my old brand oil in a jar and
added an equal part of new brand. So far, nothing adverse seems to be
happening. The oils seem to have mixed well and there is no jelling,
etc. (Currently placed in the freezer) What is the potential harm? I
have been using the Pennzoil TC, and now going to switch to Citgo Faso
FC/EGD/TC specs which is more available and from everything that I have
been able to read, better than a TC oil.
Thanks,
larry
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> From: wwillyard@aol.com
> Lynn, maybe this will help some.
> http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html
Yes Bill, but it doesn't say why the acronym has the first letter, last. So
, for the benefit of Lynn, let's create a fictive story:
On the first of May 1968, Monsieur J=E9rme Potdevin, approched the "Comm
ission Internationale des Poids et Mesures" with the following:
- "Oh l=E0, l=E0! Greenwich, merde alors! It iz cauled: Universel Taime Coo
rdinn=E9! You mai caul it UTC! Voil=E0!"
To which, very politely, Lord Humbert Charles Chicklebroom, honorable presi
dent of the said commission, answered:
- "I say, good show, old chap! UTC it will be! But, if you don't mind, we w
ill call it Coordinated Universal Time."
- "Mais oui!"
- "May we? ... of course you may, old chap!"
- ??
... ok, ok, I'll shut up now! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It appears that the final letter stands for a "Correction" that
"Coordinates" between two time standards
Coordinated Universal Time = Universal Time Corrected. That's just a guess.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:14 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Read all about it.
>
> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/MAEL/ag/zulu.htm
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
>
> Lowell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > If anybody can follow the paper trail of this "Coordinated
> Universal
> > Time-----UTC------Zulu------Z-------Greenwich, England" thing, or
> > knows the reasoning behind the "code", please enlighten me
> and others.
> >
> > Lynn
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Lynn:
I will 'suggest' that they were avoiding the obvious sequence
"CUT", as the abbreviation for "Coordinated Universal Time" because it
forms a word in English. And apparently this word, meaning what it
does, was thought to be distasteful, or not a good choice for an acronym
simply because it is a word, so once they made that decision, then any
jumbling of the first letter sequence was open for use.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the enlightenment Lowell, and Michel...that was interesting.
I'm still wondering though, about the jumbling of the letters UTC to
represent Coordinated Universal Time. Did I miss the explanation in my
reading just now?
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Read all about it.
>
> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/MAEL/ag/zulu.htm
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
>
> Lowell
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> If anybody can follow the paper trail of this "Coordinated Universal
>> Time-----UTC------Zulu------Z-------Greenwich, England" thing, or
>> knows the reasoning behind the "code", please enlighten me and >>
others.
>> Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: Windmilling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
The people who have boats around here have two choices pull the boat out of
the water or find a well protected harbour and install a bubbler that will
keep the water from freezing. The second is Ok for really large yachts but
anything less than 50' will usually be pulled up.
The people who pulled their boats up would regularly remove their props to
protect the brass.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:20 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: Windmilling
>
>
> > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> > I take it you don't have one of those fancy folding props.
>
> That is correct, Noel. I had a folding Gory prop but I lost
> one blade somewhere outside north Spain. I sailed in a
> harbour and got a new fixed prop installed. That's what I
> still have today.
>
> > I often wondered if they would work in reverse.
>
> Oh yes, they work just fine on both direction. The folding
> prop reduced drag but unless you're racing, I don't really
> see the point. Still, all sailboats in my harbour have
> folding props. In Norway, we have to take our boats out of
> the water during the winter because the fjords freeze. It's
> then easy to see what kind of prop people have when they are
> all on dry ground.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://w
> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
> ics.com/contribution</a>
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>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It's the Imperial system of measurement. In the U.S. the gallon and the
quart are different than in the UK. 1 Imp gallon = 4.55L, 1 U.S. Gal
3.8L.
Or
5 Imp Gal = 6 U.S. Gal. In aviation all the gas pumps were/are calibrated
to the U.S. Gal. to avoid fuelling problems.
Noel
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> My favorite example of the metric versus inch/foot/mile
> system (what is
> is called, anyway?) is when I used to order motion picture
> film (yeah,
> I'm THAT old) was seeing the dimensions of 16mm x
> 100feet....talk about
> your mixed metaphors.
> I've always thought in inches and don't want to change...I know the
> decimal equivalents of nearly all the fractions, and can
> usually do the
> math in my head for those that I don't recall. I don't want
> to learn a
> new system at this late date, thank you. : )
>
> I am willing to concede that the metric system is easier to
> deal with,
> and often use it when measuring something to be divided into equal
> parts, but I'm able to do it either way.
>
> For a beginning student, I agree that the metric system is
> easier...I'm
> not completely stubborn. : )
>
> Lynn
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It just came to mind when I realized you have a background in film.
I have a question of trivia for you .... What is 35mm in 35 mm film??? The
image is 24mmX36mm. 35mm film is also sold by the foot or roll in the U.S..
All the lenses attached to later U.S. made cameras,ie Kodak, were all
measured in metric... But the earliest lenses used in the U.S. were measured
in imperial ( inches) sand to really mix things up the width of the same
lenses was measured in metric.
Early water stop apertures were generally measured in metric even for lenses
that had imperial focal lengths... I guess that is why they came up with the
"F" measurement.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:53 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> My favorite example of the metric versus inch/foot/mile
> system (what is
> is called, anyway?) is when I used to order motion picture
> film (yeah,
> I'm THAT old) was seeing the dimensions of 16mm x
> 100feet....talk about
> your mixed metaphors.
> I've always thought in inches and don't want to change...I know the
> decimal equivalents of nearly all the fractions, and can
> usually do the
> math in my head for those that I don't recall. I don't want
> to learn a
> new system at this late date, thank you. : )
>
> I am willing to concede that the metric system is easier to
> deal with,
> and often use it when measuring something to be divided into equal
> parts, but I'm able to do it either way.
>
> For a beginning student, I agree that the metric system is
> easier...I'm
> not completely stubborn. : )
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > The UTC I can't explain. In the days when the British Empire was
> > becoming
> > the Commonwealth the centre for time was changed to Z, or
> Zulu from GMT
> > Greenwich Mean Time to reflect a more international, for lack of a
> > better
> > word flavour. Of course Zulu is the recognized phonetic word to
> > represent
> > the letter "Z" so Z and Zulu are the same. What perplexes
> me is why
> > it's
> > UTC and not CUT. Maybe some one at the UN may know.
> >
> > As for using the different systems of measurement the only
> one I ever
> > had
> > problems with was the old English Sterling currency. Like
> everyone I
> > knew
> > that a pound was around $2.50 - $3.00. But when you got
> into Crowns,
> > Guineas, Pennies and Farthings... Sheeesh!
> >
> > The best thing that happened north of the 49 was when they
> rammed the
> > international metric system down our unwilling throats. I
> was lucky
> > there
> > as at the time I was studying physics in high school and doing
> > everything
> > metric was just a lot easier. Funny though I still think
> of speed in
> > miles
> > per hour. I think of distances in both kilometres and miles and
> > gasoline in
> > gallons (Imperial Gallons 4.55 L) even though Gas is only
> sold here by
> > the
> > litre. The major loss in the implementation of the metric
> system is
> > the
> > loss of the pint of beer. The answer ... Beer on tap!
> >
> > That reminds me.... Time for a cold one.
> >
> > Good night :-)
> >
> > Noel
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
LOL!
Do not archive
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:33 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: UTC
>
>
> > From: wwillyard@aol.com
> > Lynn, maybe this will help some.
> > http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html
>
> Yes Bill, but it doesn't say why the acronym has the first
> letter, last. So, for the benefit of Lynn, let's create a
> fictive story:
>
> On the first of May 1968, Monsieur Jrme Potdevin, approched
> the "Commission Internationale des Poids et Mesures" with the
> following:
> - "Oh l, l! Greenwich, merde alors! It iz cauled: Universel
> Taime Coordinn! You mai caul it UTC! Voil!"
>
> To which, very politely, Lord Humbert Charles Chicklebroom,
> honorable president of the said commission, answered:
> - "I say, good show, old chap! UTC it will be! But, if you
> don't mind, we will call it Coordinated Universal Time."
> - "Mais oui!"
> - "May we? ... of course you may, old chap!"
> - ??
>
> ... ok, ok, I'll shut up now! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color=000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://w
> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
> ics.com/contribution</a>
>
> </b></font></pre>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mixing brands |
Before I had oil injection, I mixed Pennzoil and AMSOIL as a premix in
the fuel tank,,,that is I had some Pennzoil premixed gasoline in the
tank (probably about 3 gal) and I mixed about 6 gallon of Amsoil premix
with it and "cloged" my fuel filter with a gel with in an hours flight.
Luckily my series plumbed auxiliary electric fuel pump was able to force
enough fuel thru it to get me home....twice. The first time I landed at
the nearest airport, removed the fuel hose from the input of the engine
pump and turned on the electric pump and got a "real good flow" of fuel.
So I hooked everything back up and headed for home,,,about an hour away
and the same thing happened about 45 minutes later. Again the electric
pump got me home. Before Jay D says it....His fuel pressure switch
would have probably told me what was going one for sure or even
encouraged me from NOT taking off at all. Go Jay....smile. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mixing brands
I have heard before that it is not wise to mix brands of oil in an
injection system without sucking the old out and changing the filter.
If true, why is this? I poured some of my old brand oil in a jar and
added an equal part of new brand. So far, nothing adverse seems to be
happening. The oils seem to have mixed well and there is no jelling,
etc. (Currently placed in the freezer) What is the potential harm? I
have been using the Pennzoil TC, and now going to switch to Citgo Faso
FC/EGD/TC specs which is more available and from everything that I have
been able to read, better than a TC oil.
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag |
Noel,
I haven't been able to get my 582's idle speed below about 2400 rpms. I've adjusted
the carb slides and throttle cables, rejetted the idle jets (twice), everything
that's been suggested. It will go no lower. The only thing I've found
that will slow it down further is to apply the choke. I don't do it for very
long, not wanting to soot up my plugs, but by making the prop free-wheel, it works
very well to stop the floating.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I was advised to set my idle to around 1500 rpm. and to use that speed only
to assist in getting the plane back on the ground. Once on the ground speed
the idle up to at least 2000 rpm or higher if required to get the engine to
run smoothly.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
The 35mm is the actual film width, as 16mm is the actual film width of
that format. The 24mm is the size of the picture area between the
perforations (perfs), and the 36mm is the "long"
measurement...24x36=1.5:1 ratio, just to drag out something up there in
the cobwebs of my mind. I haven't thought about film in about 5
yrs...since retirement. I've still got a 4x5 view camera that I should
get out and attach to the lift strut of the 'fox, maybe. (that last
part was just to satisfy the requirements of the list) : ) Imagine
this: load film, take off, take picture with cable release, land,
unload film...oops, forgot to pull dark slide and cock shutter...do all
over again.
Yes, the foot system of selling film saves using a really long number
if sold in mm's...they could use a meter, but what would we have to
talk about if they did that? Oh, I know...flying!
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> It just came to mind when I realized you have a background in film.
>
> I have a question of trivia for you .... What is 35mm in 35 mm
> film??? The
> image is 24mmX36mm. 35mm film is also sold by the foot or roll in the
> U.S..
>
> All the lenses attached to later U.S. made cameras,ie Kodak, were all
> measured in metric... But the earliest lenses used in the U.S. were
> measured
> in imperial ( inches) sand to really mix things up the width of the
> same
> lenses was measured in metric.
>
> Early water stop apertures were generally measured in metric even for
> lenses
> that had imperial focal lengths... I guess that is why they came up
> with the
> "F" measurement.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:53 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> My favorite example of the metric versus inch/foot/mile
>> system (what is
>> is called, anyway?) is when I used to order motion picture
>> film (yeah,
>> I'm THAT old) was seeing the dimensions of 16mm x
>> 100feet....talk about
>> your mixed metaphors.
>> I've always thought in inches and don't want to change...I know the
>> decimal equivalents of nearly all the fractions, and can
>> usually do the
>> math in my head for those that I don't recall. I don't want
>> to learn a
>> new system at this late date, thank you. : )
>>
>> I am willing to concede that the metric system is easier to
>> deal with,
>> and often use it when measuring something to be divided into equal
>> parts, but I'm able to do it either way.
>>
>> For a beginning student, I agree that the metric system is
>> easier...I'm
>> not completely stubborn. : )
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>>
>>> The UTC I can't explain. In the days when the British Empire was
>>> becoming
>>> the Commonwealth the centre for time was changed to Z, or
>> Zulu from GMT
>>> Greenwich Mean Time to reflect a more international, for lack of a
>>> better
>>> word flavour. Of course Zulu is the recognized phonetic word to
>>> represent
>>> the letter "Z" so Z and Zulu are the same. What perplexes
>> me is why
>>> it's
>>> UTC and not CUT. Maybe some one at the UN may know.
>>>
>>> As for using the different systems of measurement the only
>> one I ever
>>> had
>>> problems with was the old English Sterling currency. Like
>> everyone I
>>> knew
>>> that a pound was around $2.50 - $3.00. But when you got
>> into Crowns,
>>> Guineas, Pennies and Farthings... Sheeesh!
>>>
>>> The best thing that happened north of the 49 was when they
>> rammed the
>>> international metric system down our unwilling throats. I
>> was lucky
>>> there
>>> as at the time I was studying physics in high school and doing
>>> everything
>>> metric was just a lot easier. Funny though I still think
>> of speed in
>>> miles
>>> per hour. I think of distances in both kilometres and miles and
>>> gasoline in
>>> gallons (Imperial Gallons 4.55 L) even though Gas is only
>> sold here by
>>> the
>>> litre. The major loss in the implementation of the metric
>> system is
>>> the
>>> loss of the pint of beer. The answer ... Beer on tap!
>>>
>>> That reminds me.... Time for a cold one.
>>>
>>> Good night :-)
>>>
>>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
How about my military idea, Duane...you were there, didn't they use a
lot of commas in their descriptions of stuff?
And your notion of it being distasteful....yup, wouldn't take a huge
stretch of the imagination to butcher that into something else.
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 09:51 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Lynn:
>
> I will 'suggest' that they were avoiding the obvious sequence
> "CUT", as the abbreviation for "Coordinated Universal Time" because it
> forms a word in English. And apparently this word, meaning what it
> does, was thought to be distasteful, or not a good choice for an
> acronym
> simply because it is a word, so once they made that decision, then any
> jumbling of the first letter sequence was open for use.
>
> Duane Rueb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:41 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks for the enlightenment Lowell, and Michel...that was interesting.
> I'm still wondering though, about the jumbling of the letters UTC to
> represent Coordinated Universal Time. Did I miss the explanation in my
> reading just now?
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Read all about it.
>>
>> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/MAEL/ag/zulu.htm
>> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> If anybody can follow the paper trail of this "Coordinated Universal
>>> Time-----UTC------Zulu------Z-------Greenwich, England" thing, or
>>> knows the reasoning behind the "code", please enlighten me and >>
> others.
>>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the TRUE story, Michel. Until you enlightened me about the
infamous gentlemen just noted, I began to think that it was another of
those military descriptions like "boot, arctic" or "jacket, flying."
This time thing would then become "Universal Time, Coordinated". So to
make me shut up about this problem, I'll accept that the military got
in there and screwed it up.
And say, thinking of good old Lord Chicklebroom, did he make the cut in
the last election, or did he get voted out? I never personally liked
the guy...
Lynn
do not archive...please!
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 09:02 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: wwillyard@aol.com
>> Lynn, maybe this will help some.
>> http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html
>
> Yes Bill, but it doesn't say why the acronym has the first letter,
> last. So, for the benefit of Lynn, let's create a fictive story:
>
> On the first of May 1968, Monsieur Jrme Potdevin, approched the
> "Commission Internationale des Poids et Mesures" with the following:
> - "Oh l, l! Greenwich, merde alors! It iz cauled: Universel Taime
> Coordinn! You mai caul it UTC! Voil!"
>
> To which, very politely, Lord Humbert Charles Chicklebroom, honorable
> president of the said commission, answered:
> - "I say, good show, old chap! UTC it will be! But, if you don't mind,
> we will call it Coordinated Universal Time."
> - "Mais oui!"
> - "May we? ... of course you may, old chap!"
> - ??
>
> ... ok, ok, I'll shut up now! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
> contribution</a>
>
> </b></font></pre>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Noel
If it's off topic how about a few DO NOT ARCHIVES at the end of your
messages
Thanks Ted
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: October 16, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
As a ham whose interest in radio goes back almost forty years ( only
licensed for 22 Yr) I like the term Z. As in 1400 Hr Z. Or 1400hr. Zulu.
It was also known as GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). From the longitude going
through Greenwich, England as 0Hr. The fall of the British Empire finished
that.
Who out there knows what the UTC really stands for?? I'm just guessing
maybe Universal Time Coordinate. T would be interested in knowing though.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:53 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> What bothers me about the UTC thing is that it stands for (I've been
> told, and I have read) Coordinated Universal Time. If so, why
> is it not
> abbreviated CTU?
> Aviation on a whole has so darn many of these contractions
> and acronyms
> and abbreviations, that it's hard to remember them all, and when they
> throw one like this at us, with the letters out of sequence,
> it's hard
> for me to recall what it stands for because it doesn't
> "compute" so to
> speak. And how do they get Zulu out of all this?
>
> Interestingly enough, this is back ON topic, dealing with aviation as
> it does. : ) And I might add, Michel, that I admire and envy anybody
> that has mastered more than one language, and that puts you
> up several
> rungs on the proverbial ladder.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2006, at 08:47 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> >> <SNIP> "is to land almost anywhere but straight ahead."
> >
> > Ha ha ha! Good one, Lynn! What I should have written was:
> "...to land
> > almost anywhere but make sure it is straight ahead."
> Reading again my
> > sentence I see how it turned out to be the exact opposite.
> That's the
> > fun of speaking languages without really mastering them.
> >
> > Many years ago, when I passed my ham license here in Norway, still
> > much influenced by my native French, I was pretty sure that the
> > explanation of UTC in our book was wrong. Arguing with
> another ham, he
> > said: No it's correct. All my experience as an
> astro-nagigator told me
> > it was the opposite. The problem was in the Norwegian
> wording of the
> > "ahead" or "behind" the clock. It was the way I interpreted a
> > Norwegian sentence that was wrong.
> >
> > Here is another famous language pitfall in French: During the 100
> > years war between the French and the Brits, a French general is
> > supposed to have said:
> > "Messieurs les anglais, tirez les premiers!" (Sires
> Englishmen, fire
> > first!)
> >
> > This has been used to demonstrate the almost absurd "polite
> gentlemen"
> > wars of the past. In reality, the original text says:
> >
> > "Messieurs, les anglais; tirez les premiers!" (Sires, the
> Englishmen;
> > fire first!)
> > Which is exactly the opposite. A tiny comma can make a big
> difference!
> > :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Throttle versus RPM |
Does anyone have any experience with IVO-Props on a Rotax 503? From what I have
read on the Rotax engine it should be set to about 6150 for takeoff. What then
when one reaches cruist altitude. I would be interested in hearing how to manage
the RPM verses throttle position. My 503 has no manifold guage. So what ratio
of throttle position to RPM will not overpressure the engine?
Would appreciate any input.
Chuck
Charles Bloom
kj7sr@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Lynn sez:
>What bothers me about the UTC thing is that it
>stands for (I've been told, and I have read)
>Coordinated Universal Time. If so, why is it not
>abbreviated CTU?
According to Wikipedia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time>:
"The International Telecommunication Union wanted
Coordinated Universal Time to have a single
abbreviation for all languages. English speakers
and French speakers each wanted the initials of
their respective languages' terms to be used
internationally: 'CUT' for 'coordinated universal
time' and 'TUC' for 'temps universel coordonn'.
As a compromise, a variation of the English term
was used, with the verbal adjective trailing as
in French.[1] 'UTC' can thus be read as
'universal time, coordinated', although that is
not the correct name in English."
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Parting out Model II |
I have purchased the remains of a Model II that I am parting out. There
are many usable parts and a lot of unusable parts. I have only begun
disassembly. If you are interested respond to the list.
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! |
way to go Lynn!
fred
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| Subject: | Re: Parting out Model II |
I would be interested in hearing what you have, especially the usable parts.
Dave
At 12:17 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>I have purchased the remains of a Model II that I am parting out. There
>are many usable parts and a lot of unusable parts. I have only begun
>disassembly. If you are interested respond to the list.
>Stan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parting out Model II |
Stan:=0A=0AI may be interested in the wing lift strutsand jury struts if ar
e in good shape.=0A=0AJose Toro=0Acel. 787-245-0876=0A=0A----- Original Mes
sage ----=0AFrom: "Tew, Stan" <Stan.Tew@revenue.alabama.gov>=0ATo: kitfox-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:17:34 PM=0ASubject: K
itfox-List: Parting out Model II=0A=0A=0AI have purchased the remains of a
Model II that I am parting out. There are many usable parts and a lot of un
usable parts. I have only begun disassembly. If you are interested respond
===0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Finally!! Thanks, Mike, for finally clearing this up. It was bugging
me, but not enough to do the 'search...and thanks to the IUT, (Union
Telecommunication Internationale) : )
Lynn
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 01:14 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Lynn sez:
>
>> What bothers me about the UTC thing is that it stands for (I've been
>> told, and I have read) Coordinated Universal Time. If so, why is it
>> not abbreviated CTU?
>
> According to Wikipedia
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time>:
>
> "The International Telecommunication Union wanted Coordinated
> Universal Time to have a single abbreviation for all languages.
> English speakers and French speakers each wanted the initials of their
> respective languages' terms to be used internationally: 'CUT' for
> 'coordinated universal time' and 'TUC' for 'temps universel
> coordonn'. As a compromise, a variation of the English term was used,
> with the verbal adjective trailing as in French.[1] 'UTC' can thus be
> read as 'universal time, coordinated', although that is not the
> correct name in English."
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Lynn:
Yes, the military loves commas. They also love obfuscation you know. I like
Michel's story, too. If you want to get even more frustrated, fools the enemy,
with illogic, and confusing logic, associated with abbreviations and acronyms,
just study more scientific subjects. You will decide that aviation is a lightweight
in the confusion game. More discussion or example on that in a private
communiqu.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson and conciseness Science
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
How about my military idea, Duane...you were there, didn't they use a
lot of commas in their descriptions of stuff?
And your notion of it being distasteful....yup, wouldn't take a huge
stretch of the imagination to butcher that into something else.
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 09:51 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Lynn:
>
> I will 'suggest' that they were avoiding the obvious sequence
> "CUT", as the abbreviation for "Coordinated Universal Time" because it
> forms a word in English. And apparently this word, meaning what it
> does, was thought to be distasteful, or not a good choice for an
> acronym
> simply because it is a word, so once they made that decision, then any
> jumbling of the first letter sequence was open for use.
>
> Duane Rueb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:41 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks for the enlightenment Lowell, and Michel...that was interesting.
> I'm still wondering though, about the jumbling of the letters UTC to
> represent Coordinated Universal Time. Did I miss the explanation in my
> reading just now?
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Read all about it.
>>
>> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/MAEL/ag/zulu.htm
>> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> If anybody can follow the paper trail of this "Coordinated Universal
>>> Time-----UTC------Zulu------Z-------Greenwich, England" thing, or
>>> knows the reasoning behind the "code", please enlighten me and >>
> others.
>>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Model IV Kitfox for sale in TX |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Hi All,
A friend of mine has decided to put his Model IV up
for sale. His eyesight has deteriorated to the point
he no longer feels confident flying.
It's a good flying IV. I helped him finish it up
back in '97 and also doing the stator swap on his
912.
It's only been flown a few hrs this year and the
annual is current. It could use some TLC on the
paint and interior as well as the brakes bled but
otherwise is in pretty good shape.
Details are out on my site at
http://www.foxflier.com/kitfox/N1210L.htm
Drop me an email if you're interested and I'll pass
along his phone #.
Regards,
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks, Fred....I'm hoping to be able to fly over DUH tomorrow on my
first "go anywhere" flight. I'm planning to go to Wakeman, OH, to see
my old RC instructor, who's visiting there. Gonna hug the shore of Lake
Erie, miss the small Restricted Area further SE, and land at either
Wakeman, or Norwalk, 10 miles apart, with runways pretty close to 90
degrees from one another.
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 01:30 PM, Fred Shiple wrote:
> way to go Lynn!
> fred
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parting out Model II |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Please let me know if the header tank is available.
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68538#68538
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hey Lynn ,
If you feeling brave head across pelee island.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks, Fred....I'm hoping to be able to fly over DUH tomorrow on my
> first "go anywhere" flight. I'm planning to go to Wakeman, OH, to see
> my old RC instructor, who's visiting there. Gonna hug the shore of Lake
> Erie, miss the small Restricted Area further SE, and land at either
> Wakeman, or Norwalk, 10 miles apart, with runways pretty close to 90
> degrees from one another.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 01:30 PM, Fred Shiple wrote:
>
>> way to go Lynn!
>> fred
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:parting out mod II |
Stan
Is the right flapperon any good? contact me off list if you like .
Thanks
Greg G.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: UTC and Zulu time |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 01:02 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>I know UTC, in French, for "temps universel" or TU.
And I thought TU meant "Tits Up".
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: UTC and Zulu time |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I thought "tits up" was a result of a too aggressive wheel landing. : )
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 01:02 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>> I know UTC, in French, for "temps universel" or TU.
>
> And I thought TU meant "Tits Up".
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I gotta be careful about responding to the "if you feel brave"
thing....that kind of mindset could bring out the ol' youth thing where
anything goes...better to put those thoughts aside 'til the second
flight. : )
Wow...I just looked at the chart, and that DOES look like fun! Like
skipping stones using an airplane if you hop to all those little
strips....yeeehawww!....Settle down boy, there'll be plenty of time for
that. Thanks for the heads-up, Dave, but maybe Fred would like to do
that with his floatplane.
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 03:08 PM, Dave wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Hey Lynn ,
>
> If you feeling brave head across pelee island.
> Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> Thanks, Fred....I'm hoping to be able to fly over DUH tomorrow on my
>> first "go anywhere" flight. I'm planning to go to Wakeman, OH, to
>> see my old RC instructor, who's visiting there. Gonna hug the shore
>> of Lake Erie, miss the small Restricted Area further SE, and land at
>> either Wakeman, or Norwalk, 10 miles apart, with runways pretty close
>> to 90 degrees from one another.
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 01:30 PM, Fred Shiple wrote:
>>> way to go Lynn!
>>> fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: Ethanol
Hi ! Guys,
here is a link on a Forum here in.Australia [
Recreationalflying ] dicussing Ethanol in our planes. Actually the
discussion is from USA. Anyway it takes 18 mins to listen but I think
some interesting points are made. Here is the link.
Rex
http://www.ultraflightradio.com/impodcast/2006/10/03/uft061003d.mp3
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Pelee Island has an airstrip there. As long as you are within gliding
distance of shore you are ok. Plus you won't need a point of entry airport
for customs unless you land of course. You wold avoid Detroit this way but
maybe better to avoid Lake Erie as well. How long is this flight you have
planned ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I gotta be careful about responding to the "if you feel brave"
> thing....that kind of mindset could bring out the ol' youth thing where
> anything goes...better to put those thoughts aside 'til the second flight.
> : )
>
> Wow...I just looked at the chart, and that DOES look like fun! Like
> skipping stones using an airplane if you hop to all those little
> strips....yeeehawww!....Settle down boy, there'll be plenty of time for
> that. Thanks for the heads-up, Dave, but maybe Fred would like to do that
> with his floatplane.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 03:08 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Hey Lynn ,
>>
>> If you feeling brave head across pelee island.
>> Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> Thanks, Fred....I'm hoping to be able to fly over DUH tomorrow on my
>>> first "go anywhere" flight. I'm planning to go to Wakeman, OH, to see
>>> my old RC instructor, who's visiting there. Gonna hug the shore of Lake
>>> Erie, miss the small Restricted Area further SE, and land at either
>>> Wakeman, or Norwalk, 10 miles apart, with runways pretty close to 90
>>> degrees from one another.
>>> Lynn
>>> do not archive
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 01:30 PM, Fred Shiple wrote:
>>>> way to go Lynn!
>>>> fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
It's 115 statute miles, Dave, and it's a good thing I just took a
second look at the chart...I'd be flying in Canadian airspace (to go
over Pelee Island), and I don't think I can do that with Sport Pilot
ticket w/o prior permission. I certainly could not land in Canada, but
not certain if flying over is permitted either...I need to look closer
at the regulations. No, as a matter of fact, I'm sure it is not.
Something I recall about flying to Alaska, and the need for Sport
Pilots to get prior permission to fly over the part of Canada to get
there from the US.
I'll miss the Detroit airspace by 5 miles on my 148 magnetic course
from Napoleon (3NP) to Wakeman (I64), and I plan on kicking it south as
soon as I get to the Lake Erie coast just south of Detroit, follow the
shoreline along Lake Erie, avoid the Restricted (R-5502B and
R-5502A&B), kick it back east near Cedar Point, back on my 148
heading, and glide (almost) into Wakeman. I'm doing this trip via the
charts because it's more fun, but I'll of course have a glance at the
GPS just to see how I'm doing. As my friend Duane could tell you, I
gotta have those maps out, and consult them ad nauseam. : )
Depending on the wind, I may land at Norwalk, about 10 miles to the
west. As it turns out, the guy who I am going to visit, just told me
that the guy who he is visiting, just went into a hospital in Norwalk,
for a pacemaker implant. That means that the Norwalk landing might just
work out better, depending on the winds of course.
Where are you, Dave, geographic-wise?
Lynn
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 08:20 PM, Dave wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Pelee Island has an airstrip there. As long as you are within gliding
> distance of shore you are ok. Plus you won't need a point of entry
> airport for customs unless you land of course. You wold avoid Detroit
> this way but maybe better to avoid Lake Erie as well. How long is
> this flight you have planned ?
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parting out Model II |
what state do you live in?if you can set up pics on the web it will realy
help sell parts mal
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Is this a private conversation? It feels like the old days when I picked up
the party line phone and heard someone chatting else chatting.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> It's 115 statute miles, Dave, and it's a good thing I just took a second
> look at the chart...I'd be flying in Canadian airspace (to go over Pelee
> Island), and I don't think I can do that with Sport Pilot ticket w/o prior
> permission. I certainly could not land in Canada, but not certain if
> flying over is permitted either...I need to look closer at the
> regulations. No, as a matter of fact, I'm sure it is not. Something I
> recall about flying to Alaska, and the need for Sport Pilots to get prior
> permission to fly over the part of Canada to get there from the US.
> I'll miss the Detroit airspace by 5 miles on my 148 magnetic course from
> Napoleon (3NP) to Wakeman (I64), and I plan on kicking it south as soon as
> I get to the Lake Erie coast just south of Detroit, follow the shoreline
> along Lake Erie, avoid the Restricted (R-5502B and R-5502A&B), kick it
> back east near Cedar Point, back on my 148 heading, and glide (almost)
> into Wakeman. I'm doing this trip via the charts because it's more fun,
> but I'll of course have a glance at the GPS just to see how I'm doing. As
> my friend Duane could tell you, I gotta have those maps out, and consult
> them ad nauseam. : )
>
> Depending on the wind, I may land at Norwalk, about 10 miles to the west.
> As it turns out, the guy who I am going to visit, just told me that the
> guy who he is visiting, just went into a hospital in Norwalk, for a
> pacemaker implant. That means that the Norwalk landing might just work out
> better, depending on the winds of course.
>
> Where are you, Dave, geographic-wise?
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2006, at 08:20 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Pelee Island has an airstrip there. As long as you are within gliding
>> distance of shore you are ok. Plus you won't need a point of entry
>> airport for customs unless you land of course. You wold avoid Detroit
>> this way but maybe better to avoid Lake Erie as well. How long is this
>> flight you have planned ?
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport pilot at last! First "freedom" flight
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Alabama?
>From: "Tew, Stan" <Stan.Tew@revenue.alabama.gov>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Parting out Model II
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:17:34 -0500
>
>I have purchased the remains of a Model II that I am parting out. There
>are many usable parts and a lot of unusable parts. I have only begun
>disassembly. If you are interested respond to the list.
>
>Stan
>
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Hi all,I was wondering if there is any kitfoxes around north florida,I am flying
my model IV and lovin it,but its boring flying by yourself all the time,I am
located at Thunderbird airpark on a nice 2800 ft grass srtip just south of palatka
off hwy 17.Also there is going to be a flyin at Deland airport on the 28-29th
of this month called the Airjam,all aircraft are welcome from ultralights,experimental,GA
aircraft and military will be attending.
Happy landings.........Mark N61AC
Mark Thompson
kr2@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <josandt@verizon.net>
Have a cow ling? A round cow ling? Interested here ford.
From: "Tew, Stan" <Stan.Tew@revenue.alabama.gov>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parting out Model II
I have purchased the remains of a Model II that I am partingout. There are many
usable parts and a lot of unusable parts. I have only begundisassembly. If you
are interested respond to the list.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <josandt@verizon.net>
Have a cow ling? A round cow ling? Interested here ford.
From: "Tew, Stan" <Stan.Tew@revenue.alabama.gov>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parting out Model II
I have purchased the remains of a Model II that I am partingout. There are many
usable parts and a lot of unusable parts. I have only begundisassembly. If you
are interested respond to the list.
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