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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (flier)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Dave)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (Dave)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: Throttle versus RPM (Dave)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:18 AM - Re:Off Topic North florida (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:47 AM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Lynn Matteson)
8. 06:52 AM - Re: Off Topic North florida (Lynn Matteson)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (Lowell Fitt)
10. 09:14 AM - Re: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag (Marco Menezes)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Algate)
12. 09:36 AM - Re: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag (Dave)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (Marco Menezes)
14. 09:56 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
15. 10:03 AM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Michel Verheughe)
16. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC: Frappr (Michel Verheughe)
17. 10:42 AM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Lynn Matteson)
18. 11:12 AM - Re: Ethanol (Michel Verheughe)
19. 11:15 AM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Lynn Matteson)
20. 11:37 AM - Re: Cargo pods.... (floran higgins)
21. 12:14 PM - Heater Pot scrubbers (Dave)
22. 12:27 PM - Re: Cargo pods.... (flier)
23. 12:49 PM - Re: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag (Noel Loveys)
24. 12:49 PM - Re: Cargo pods.... (wingsdown)
25. 12:54 PM - Re: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag (Noel Loveys)
26. 12:59 PM - Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers (Noel Loveys)
27. 01:10 PM - Re: Heater Pot scrubbers (Don Smythe)
28. 01:15 PM - Kitfox for sale (Don Smythe)
29. 01:24 PM - Re: Ethanol (Noel Loveys)
30. 01:46 PM - Re: Heater Pot scrubbers (Brian Smith)
31. 02:34 PM - Re: Cargo pods.... (flier)
32. 03:33 PM - Re: Heater Pot scrubbers (Don Smythe)
33. 03:34 PM - 912 heater kit (Sjklerks@aol.com)
34. 07:15 PM - Re: Cargo pods.... (floran higgins)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Right Lowell. Florin, do you not have the installation instructions that
details installing the eyebolts? If not, I've got a copy I can email...
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Florin,
My IV has the two between the aft landing gear attach brackets (forfloats, I
think) and a single one forward of that. I don't believe the Model IV had
two forward brackets. I think the forward brackets attached to the floor
board similar to the radiator and shroud.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
The two rear tabs are there but the front two are missing. At least they are
not visible by looking inside the scoop.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: flier
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Hey John,
The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts that go through the
floorboards, right? There used to be only the three tabs for the rear
bracket that has 3 attach points.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Floran,
Please check the bottom of your fuselage.. there should be 4
tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2 just forward of those...
Those 4 points are where the brackets mount. There should not be an
interference with the scoop that is installed on your aircraft.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran higgins
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
It looks very good except the mounting brackets supplied will not work
on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that can be used on a KF 2?
I have seen them........
Thanks
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Lynn, Congrats on your first x country.
Hopefully a few more soon. Do you have a cabin heater ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I just got back from a 275.5 statute-mile round trip, which took 2.9
> hours. Included was a .4 hr. trip "around the patch" with a friend of
> mine. Upon return, I filled the tanks to the rim, like I did just
> before leaving. It took 9.5 US gallons. This worked out to 29 mpg, and
> 3.28 gallons/hour. All figures were via my GPS. I tried to hold to
> 90mph airspeed, and let the ground speed fall where it may. All speeds
> were pretty close whenever I could glance at the gauges...I was pretty
> busy flying the plane in the marginal weather....ok weather according
> to the FSS. I wonder what weather channel they were watching?
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Lowell -- Mine has three only. Did a pod not fit onto the three at one
time?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Florin,
>
> My IV has the two between the aft landing gear attach brackets (forfloats,
> I think) and a single one forward of that. I don't believe the Model IV
> had two forward brackets. I think the forward brackets attached to the
> floor board similar to the radiator and shroud.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> The two rear tabs are there but the front two are missing. At least they
> are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
>
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: flier
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> Hey John,
>
> The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts that go through the
> floorboards, right? There used to be only the three tabs for the rear
> bracket that has 3 attach points.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> Floran,
>
> Please check the bottom of your fuselage.. there should be
> 4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2 just forward of
> those... Those 4 points are where the brackets mount. There should not be
> an interference with the scoop that is installed on your aircraft.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
>
> John & Debra McBean
>
> 208.337.5111
>
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran higgins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
>
> It looks very good except the mounting brackets supplied will not work
> on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
>
>
> Floran H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that can be used on a KF
> 2?
>
>
> I have seen them........
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle versus RPM |
2 strokes don't have a manifold pressure gauge.
Set your prop for static rpm 6200 to 6300 on 503 and try thats.
Watch carefully your egt gauge to keep temps inline with specs
503 is a fine engine.
Throttle postion will vary with prop but it you in over half to 3/4s way
are cruise you might be over propped.
A fule flow gauge would be a good indciator as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Boccaccio
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Throttle versus RPM
Charles:
In your Rotax Operator's manual, you should have a recommended
settings table for your engine. This is a table where you have
recommended RPM for certain manifold pressures. You will need to have a
temporary manifold pressure gage so you can see where your at at the
different phases of flight, and from there you can decide what pitch you
want for your prop (climb, cruise, or in between) where the angle will
not exceed your engine parameters.
Above all, have fun,
Charles Parker\KF3 Rotax 912ULS
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico
----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Bloom <kj7sr@earthlink.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:52:33 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle versus RPM
Does anyone have any experience with IVO-Props on a Rotax 503? From
what I have read on the Rotax engine it should be set to about 6150 for
takeoff. What then when one reaches cruist altitude. I would be
interested in hearing how to manage the RPM verses throttle position. My
503 has no manifold guage. So what ratio of throttle position to RPM
will not overpressure the engine?
Would appreciate any input.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My IV also has just three tabs protruding through the fabric...two aft,
and one forward, which is not on the centerline...I always thought that
was curious. Having not seen the cargo pod, I don't know how this
applies.
Lynn
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 12:47 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Florin,
>
> My IV has the two between the aft landing gear attach brackets
> (forfloats, I think) and a single one forward of that. I don't
> believe the Model IV had two forward brackets. I think the forward
> brackets attached to the floor board similar to the radiator and
> shroud.
>
> Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
LOL They're after your body Lynn....better stay in heartland....Did you
tell him you were a pilot??? FDLOL
Noel
Oh yes the archive thingy....Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:45 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: North florida
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I didn't see the photos you describe, Jimmie, but I had no
> luck seeing
> a "map". I expected to see a map of the US for example, with
> pins stuck
> in it depicting where we live, etc. I did however see a bunch
> of other
> crap pictures that I had to wade through to try to find the Kitfox
> site. This "frapper "thing is not very intuitive to this lame
> mind, or
> to my 10.2.8 Mac machine...whatever, being on "the map" has
> dropped to
> a low priority for me. Is there any other program that is
> keyed more to
> airplanes and not the drivel that I'm seeing on frapper? I even got a
> picture of some "dainty" fellow who would "like to meet me" when I
> clicked on "you've got mail"...yeah, hold your breath dainty boy!
> Need I say he was from San Francisco?
>
> Lynn
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Eric wrote:
>
> > GROSS!!
> > how did that crap get on Kitfox Frapper page?
> > Eric
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jimmie Blackwell
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: North florida
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > I was rather surprised to find the rather gross porn when I
> clicked on
> > "photos" on your site. What I expected to find was
> pictures of Kitfox
> > airplanes, not pictures of naked men.
> >
> > Hoping this was just a mistake.
> >
> > Jimme
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:33 AM
> > Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: North florida
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> > I created the Kitfox Frappr Map just for your sort of question.
> > http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
> > I am not the creator of Frappr Maps, I am just the administrator of
> > the Kitfox Map.
> > The map has undergone many upgrades in the last year. This has made
> > the map more complicated and slower to load. Even with my cable
> > access, it takes too long from my perspective.
> > You must use the zoom feature to find anyone in your area. Also, on
> > the left side down a page or so, click on the "view all
> pins" so you
> > won't miss anyone. Additionally, you can go through the
> name listings
> > in the box to the right of the "view all pins".
> > I keep trying to get everyone listed so we can find each
> other. There
> > are still many Scandinavian Kitfoxers we don't have. I hope
> they come
> > on board soon.
> > Regards,
> > Ben
> > Kitfox 5
> > Based N13
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Thompson
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: 10/18/2006 12:42 AM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: North florida
> >
> > Hi all,I was wondering if there is any kitfoxes around
> north florida,I
> > am flying my model IV and lovin it,but its boring flying by
> yourself
> > all the time,I am located at Thunderbird airpark on a nice 2800 ft
> > grass srtip just south of palatka off hwy 17.Also there is
> going to be
> > a flyin at Deland airport on the 28-29th of this month called the
> > Airjam,all aircraft are welcome from ultralights,experimental,GA
> > aircraft and military will be attending.
> >
> > Happy landings.........Mark N61AC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://w
> ww.matron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://w
> ww.matron
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Well, it wasn't the first x-country, just the first since I cut the
flight training/flight examiner "umbilical cord", and the first
out-of-state trip. Yes, I've got two little 6" long heat muffs that
attach to the front exhaust pipes of the Jabiru engine. They seem to
work ok for the present outside temps, but I need to seal up some air
leaks into the cabin before they will be really enough.
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 08:38 AM, Dave wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Lynn, Congrats on your first x country.
>
> Hopefully a few more soon. Do you have a cabin heater ?
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> I just got back from a 275.5 statute-mile round trip, which took 2.9
>> hours. Included was a .4 hr. trip "around the patch" with a friend of
>> mine. Upon return, I filled the tanks to the rim, like I did just
>> before leaving. It took 9.5 US gallons. This worked out to 29 mpg,
>> and 3.28 gallons/hour. All figures were via my GPS. I tried to hold
>> to 90mph airspeed, and let the ground speed fall where it may. All
>> speeds were pretty close whenever I could glance at the gauges...I
>> was pretty busy flying the plane in the marginal weather....ok
>> weather according to the FSS. I wonder what weather channel they were
>> watching?
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: North florida |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Geez, if they were women, they could HAVE the body, Noel. Maybe they
found out I was a pilot...hmmm, I had a clerk call me "sir" the other
day, so he must've known!
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 09:17 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> LOL They're after your body Lynn....better stay in heartland....Did
> you
> tell him you were a pilot??? FDLOL
>
> Noel
> Oh yes the archive thingy....Do not archive
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:45 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: North florida
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> I even got a
>> picture of some "dainty" fellow who would "like to meet me" when I
>> clicked on "you've got mail"...yeah, hold your breath dainty boy!
>> Need I say he was from San Francisco?
>>
>> Lynn
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I don't have a cargo pod, but have thought of it from time to time. As I
understand it the pod is supported by two vertical brackets on the back
attached to the tabs and two in front attached to the floor board. The
third tab is for a triangular brace that is attached to the aft weldment for
forward-aft stability.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Lowell -- Mine has three only. Did a pod not fit onto the three at one
> time?
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Florin,
>>
>> My IV has the two between the aft landing gear attach brackets
>> (forfloats, I think) and a single one forward of that. I don't believe
>> the Model IV had two forward brackets. I think the forward brackets
>> attached to the floor board similar to the radiator and shroud.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>> The two rear tabs are there but the front two are missing. At least they
>> are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
>>
>> Floran H.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: flier
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>> Hey John,
>>
>> The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts that go through the
>> floorboards, right? There used to be only the three tabs for the rear
>> bracket that has 3 attach points.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>> Floran,
>>
>> Please check the bottom of your fuselage.. there should be
>> 4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2 just forward of
>> those... Those 4 points are where the brackets mount. There should not
>> be an interference with the scoop that is installed on your aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>>
>> John & Debra McBean
>>
>> 208.337.5111
>>
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>>
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran
>> higgins
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
>>
>> It looks very good except the mounting brackets supplied will not work
>> on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Floran H.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that can be used on a KF
>> 2?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen them........
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag |
Noel,
I have a cheap analog tach for CDI ignitions purchased from ACS. I put it in
after frying the analog Kitfox tach during initial run-ups. (I neglected to install
the supplemental resistor in the tach's circuit, per the Rotax SB). I'm
sure the current tach reads 200-300 rpm too high at idle. I've checked this with
hand-held digital tach. The clutch manufacturer represents that clutch disengages
at 2400 rpm. At idle (throttle full back) my tach reads about 2700 rpm,
so in reality, it's probably turning just at the threshhold where clutch engages.
I should probably invest in a more accurate tach, but that wouldn't resolve the
puzzle of idle speed that won't go below 2400.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
When I pull my throttle all the way out the rpm will go all the way down
to 1500. Mind you if that happens while on the ground there will be enough vibration
to shake the fillings out of your teeth. That's not good for the engine
or the aircraft.
What kind of tachometer do you have??? The electronic "Kitfox tach or one of
the newer digital tachs that have no moving parts e.g. Tiny Tach? last year
I had a lot of problems with my engine. By the end of the season (floats) I came
to the conclusion that there was a problem with my tach. The cheapest most
accurate way to tell if I was right was to install a tiny tach. The short story
is I was right.
My Kitfox tach was reading 250 rpm high per 1000rpm indicated. e.g. 2000rpm
indicated was actually 1500rpm, 6800 rpm (take off max) was actually 5100rpm..
Wonder why I had problems getting into the air and climbing with floats or
why I had to shim the hinges in my elevator. ( from idle vibration)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Noel,
I haven't been able to get my 582's idle speed below about 2400 rpms. I've adjusted
the carb slides and throttle cables, rejetted the idle jets (twice), everything
that's been suggested. It will go no lower. The only thing I've found
that will slow it down further is to apply the choke. I don't do it for very
long, not wanting to soot up my plugs, but by making the prop free-wheel, it works
very well to stop the floating.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I was advised to set my idle to around 1500 rpm. and to use that speed only
to assist in getting the plane back on the ground. Once on the ground speed
the idle up to at least 2000 rpm or higher if required to get the engine to
run smoothly.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Lynn
Thanks for the info on the heat muff. You mentioned that you were going to
fit some baffles to slow the air down - have you thought about using
stranded Stainless steel (used for kitchen wash scrubbers) I used this on my
582 muffler heater muff and it worked great. It slows down the air and also
heats up itself adding more BTU's.
When you made your muff did you hinge it - if you can send me a Photo off
line that would be great.
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jab 2200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Well, it wasn't the first x-country, just the first since I cut the
flight training/flight examiner "umbilical cord", and the first
out-of-state trip. Yes, I've got two little 6" long heat muffs that
attach to the front exhaust pipes of the Jabiru engine. They seem to
work ok for the present outside temps, but I need to seal up some air
leaks into the cabin before they will be really enough.
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 08:38 AM, Dave wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Lynn, Congrats on your first x country.
>
> Hopefully a few more soon. Do you have a cabin heater ?
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> I just got back from a 275.5 statute-mile round trip, which took 2.9
>> hours. Included was a .4 hr. trip "around the patch" with a friend of
>> mine. Upon return, I filled the tanks to the rim, like I did just
>> before leaving. It took 9.5 US gallons. This worked out to 29 mpg,
>> and 3.28 gallons/hour. All figures were via my GPS. I tried to hold
>> to 90mph airspeed, and let the ground speed fall where it may. All
>> speeds were pretty close whenever I could glance at the gauges...I
>> was pretty busy flying the plane in the marginal weather....ok
>> weather according to the FSS. I wonder what weather channel they were
>> watching?
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag |
Marco , I would get a tiny tach. They are accurate and simple to
install ( about 1 minute)
I know nothing about cluthes nor do I have any use for one. But With
the prop not engaged I think your 582 should easily idle below 2000 and
smooth as well.
I would call a Rotax guy like Bob Robertson to get his opinion and order
a tiny tach from him. They are cheap and Bob ships overnight.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Noel,
I have a cheap analog tach for CDI ignitions purchased from ACS. I put
it in after frying the analog Kitfox tach during initial run-ups. (I
neglected to install the supplemental resistor in the tach's circuit,
per the Rotax SB). I'm sure the current tach reads 200-300 rpm too high
at idle. I've checked this with hand-held digital tach. The clutch
manufacturer represents that clutch disengages at 2400 rpm. At idle
(throttle full back) my tach reads about 2700 rpm, so in reality, it's
probably turning just at the threshhold where clutch engages.
I should probably invest in a more accurate tach, but that wouldn't
resolve the puzzle of idle speed that won't go below 2400.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
When I pull my throttle all the way out the rpm will go all the way
down to 1500. Mind you if that happens while on the ground there will
be enough vibration to shake the fillings out of your teeth. That's not
good for the engine or the aircraft.
What kind of tachometer do you have??? The electronic "Kitfox tach
or one of the newer digital tachs that have no moving parts e.g. Tiny
Tach? last year I had a lot of problems with my engine. By the end of
the season (floats) I came to the conclusion that there was a problem
with my tach. The cheapest most accurate way to tell if I was right was
to install a tiny tach. The short story is I was right.
My Kitfox tach was reading 250 rpm high per 1000rpm indicated. e.g.
2000rpm indicated was actually 1500rpm, 6800 rpm (take off max) was
actually 5100rpm.. Wonder why I had problems getting into the air and
climbing with floats or why I had to shim the hinges in my elevator. (
from idle vibration)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:29 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Noel,
I haven't been able to get my 582's idle speed below about 2400
rpms. I've adjusted the carb slides and throttle cables, rejetted the
idle jets (twice), everything that's been suggested. It will go no
lower. The only thing I've found that will slow it down further is to
apply the choke. I don't do it for very long, not wanting to soot up my
plugs, but by making the prop free-wheel, it works very well to stop the
floating.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I was advised to set my idle to around 1500 rpm. and to use
that speed only to assist in
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I recall that pod installation instructions are available at the sportflight site
(I think). With these instructions and some pictures provided by Don Smythe
(?) I was able to fabricate brackets. The 2 front attach points are eye-bolts
through the floorboards (just inside and behind control sticks). The 3 rear eyebolts
pass through fuse tubes. If you can't find the instructions Dave, contact
me off list and I'll send what I have.
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The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts that go through the floorboards,
right? There used to be only the three tabs for the rear bracket that has
3 attach points.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Floran,
Please check the bottom of your fuselage.. there should be 4 tabs..
2 between the lift strut mount points and 2 just forward of those... Those
4 points are where the brackets mount. There should not be an interference with
the scoop that is installed on your aircraft.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran higgins
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
It looks very good except the mounting brackets supplied will not work on my
speedster and I will have to make my own.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that can be used on a KF 2?
I have seen them........
Thanks
Dave
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
---------------------------------
Date: 10/18/2006
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Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
Hey thanks every one... I have a model 2 so it will be a good winter
project :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Algate wrote:
> - have you thought about using stranded Stainless steel (used for
> kitchen wash scrubbers)
Amazing! This is EXACTLY what I did with my Jabiru, last winter, Gary!
I installed a cabin heater, from the muffler, but the air was coming in
too fast and it didn't had the time to warm up. After adding a SS
kitchen scrubber at the cabin's end of the hose, it comes in slower and
warmer.
... great minds think alike! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: Frappr |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 19, 2006, at 2:28 AM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> But did happen upon:
> http://www.frappr.com/scandinaviankitfoxes/map
Interesting! I missed that one, Richard. I did ask the Swedes to put
their Kitfox on Frappr ... and they did but ... in their own group, if
I understand correctly. Because I am not there, yet I am on the
Scandinavian Kitfox site, and on the general Kitfox Frappr. Hum, it's
getting too complicated for me! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Ooooh, that sounds like a great idea, Gary....photo(s) on the
way...Yes, I hinged it, although the hinge is more of a means of
securing the halves rather than a means of flexing the muff for
installation. What I mean is, I can't put the muff in place with the
two halves hinged together...it won't clear the obstructions. I have to
hold the one half in place, fit the other half to it (around the pipe),
then install the hinge pin, then squeeze the halves together and
install the second hinge pin.
Lynn
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Algate wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Lynn
>
> Thanks for the info on the heat muff. You mentioned that you were
> going to
> fit some baffles to slow the air down - have you thought about using
> stranded Stainless steel (used for kitchen wash scrubbers) I used this
> on my
> 582 muffler heater muff and it worked great. It slows down the air and
> also
> heats up itself adding more BTU's.
>
> When you made your muff did you hinge it - if you can send me a Photo
> off
> line that would be great.
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab 2200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:42 PM, Rex Shaw wrote:
> http://www.ultraflightradio.com/impodcast/2006/10/03/uft061003d.mp3
Rex, now that I have some time to listen to it, the link is dead. :-(
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
That explains why I didn't think of it, Michel.: ) I spent a half-day
building some internal baffles, and you guys spent a
half-minute...sheeeesh! A great idea! I can't wait to try it out. I
have installed a (temporary) thermocouple lead into the outlet of each
of my heat muffs, and I can read what the air temp is coming out of the
muffs. I can experiment with different types of baffles and learn what
helps the most....guess that's what makes this "Experimental Aircraft"
experimental.
I wonder what copper scrubbers would do? (please, no plastic scrubbers)
Works for radiators...or it did when they still made them that way, and
the coefficient of heat transmission is better than anything else my
"bible" shows other than silver.
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
do not archive
On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:03 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Algate wrote:
>> - have you thought about using stranded Stainless steel (used for
>> kitchen wash scrubbers)
>
> Amazing! This is EXACTLY what I did with my Jabiru, last winter, Gary!
> I installed a cabin heater, from the muffler, but the air was coming
> in too fast and it didn't had the time to warm up. After adding a SS
> kitchen scrubber at the cabin's end of the hose, it comes in slower
> and warmer.
> ... great minds think alike! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
I opened up the shroud and didnt see any tabs.
I am planning to make mounting brackets that will attach to the landing
gear attachments and brace them to the float attachment brackets.
I possibly will be able to use the rear attachments but will have to
brace them to the float brackets also.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
I think you may be looking too far forward.. There should be 2 between
the lift struts and the other 2 are only 12" forward. They should be
aft of the radiator not in front of.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:15 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
The two rear tabs are there but the front two are missing. At least
they are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: flier
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Hey John,
The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts that go through the
floorboards, right? There used to be only the three tabs for the rear
bracket that has 3 attach points.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Floran,
Please check the bottom of your fuselage.. there should be
4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2 just forward of
those... Those 4 points are where the brackets mount. There should not
be an interference with the scoop that is installed on your aircraft.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
It looks very good except the mounting brackets supplied will not work
on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that can be used on a KF
2?
I have seen them........
Thanks
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Guys -- this is what you want right here
http://update-international.com/jpg_300x300/ssp-50.html
Most stores carry them .
I use them and they are excellent. You can get 20 to 30 C temp gain in
your cockpit done properly.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> That explains why I didn't think of it, Michel.: ) I spent a half-day
> building some internal baffles, and you guys spent a
> half-minute...sheeeesh! A great idea! I can't wait to try it out. I have
> installed a (temporary) thermocouple lead into the outlet of each of my
> heat muffs, and I can read what the air temp is coming out of the muffs. I
> can experiment with different types of baffles and learn what helps the
> most....guess that's what makes this "Experimental Aircraft" experimental.
>
> I wonder what copper scrubbers would do? (please, no plastic scrubbers)
> Works for radiators...or it did when they still made them that way, and
> the coefficient of heat transmission is better than anything else my
> "bible" shows other than silver.
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
> do not archive
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:03 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Algate wrote:
>>> - have you thought about using stranded Stainless steel (used for
>>> kitchen wash scrubbers)
>>
>> Amazing! This is EXACTLY what I did with my Jabiru, last winter, Gary! I
>> installed a cabin heater, from the muffler, but the air was coming in too
>> fast and it didn't had the time to warm up. After adding a SS kitchen
>> scrubber at the cabin's end of the hose, it comes in slower and warmer.
>> ... great minds think alike! :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
Floran,
Did your pod come with two mounting brackets -- front
with two legs and rear with 3?
I've had a pod on my IV for 5 yrs now and use it
often. Some time ago I took some detail photos for
another gent that was mounting a pod but the attached
is all I could find this morning.
The front mount is simply two AN eyebolts up through
the floorboards just behind the radiator scoop. The
tripod rear mount attaches directly to the tabs on
the tubes.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>I opened up the shroud and didnt see any tabs.
>I am planning to make mounting brackets that will
attach to the landing
>gear attachments and brace them to the float
attachment brackets.
>I possibly will be able to use the rear attachments
but will have to
>brace them to the float brackets also.
>
>Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmcbean
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:12 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> I think you may be looking too far forward.. There
should be 2 between
>the lift struts and the other 2 are only 12"
forward. They should be
>aft of the radiator not in front of.
>
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
>
> John & Debra McBean
>
> 208.337.5111
>
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of floran
>higgins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> The two rear tabs are there but the front two are
missing. At least
>they are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
>
>
>
> Floran H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: flier
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> Hey John,
>
>
>
> The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts
that go through the
>floorboards, right? There used to be only the three
tabs for the rear
>bracket that has 3 attach points.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
> Floran,
>
> Please check the bottom of your
fuselage.. there should be
>4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2
just forward of
>those... Those 4 points are where the brackets
mount. There should not
>be an interference with the scoop that is installed
on your aircraft.
>
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
>
> John & Debra McBean
>
> 208.337.5111
>
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of floran
>higgins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
>
> It looks very good except the mounting brackets
supplied will not work
>on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
>
>
>
> Floran H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that
can be used on a KF
>2?
>
>
>
> I have seen them........
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag |
Marco:
I would suggest the first thing to do is to get a more accurate tach.
Even
if it is only a borrowed optical tach that reads the prop speed. That
way
you at least will know what ball park you are in.
I am thinking the clutches that engage your clutch are supposed to be
set up
for 2400rpm but that may be off too. If the springs that disengage the
clutch are stretched at all than the clutch could be engaging at too low
an
engine speed. One thing I can tell you for sure that below 2000+ rpm
the
engine will run rough as it can. Shortly above 2000rpm the engine will
smooth out considerably.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Noel,
I have a cheap analog tach for CDI ignitions purchased from ACS. I put
it in
after frying the analog Kitfox tach during initial run-ups. (I neglected
to
install the supplemental resistor in the tach's circuit, per the Rotax
SB).
I'm sure the current tach reads 200-300 rpm too high at idle. I've
checked
this with hand-held digital tach. The clutch manufacturer represents
that
clutch disengages at 2400 rpm. At idle (throttle full back) my tach
reads
about 2700 rpm, so in reality, it's probably turning just at the
threshhold
where clutch engages.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
That is very nice. Did you do all the parts or is a plug in play?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
Floran,
Did your pod come with two mounting brackets -- front
with two legs and rear with 3?
I've had a pod on my IV for 5 yrs now and use it
often. Some time ago I took some detail photos for
another gent that was mounting a pod but the attached
is all I could find this morning.
The front mount is simply two AN eyebolts up through
the floorboards just behind the radiator scoop. The
tripod rear mount attaches directly to the tabs on
the tubes.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>I opened up the shroud and didnt see any tabs.
>I am planning to make mounting brackets that will
attach to the landing
>gear attachments and brace them to the float
attachment brackets.
>I possibly will be able to use the rear attachments
but will have to
>brace them to the float brackets also.
>
>Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmcbean
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:12 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
> I think you may be looking too far forward.. There
should be 2 between
>the lift struts and the other 2 are only 12"
forward. They should be
>aft of the radiator not in front of.
>
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
>
> John & Debra McBean
>
> 208.337.5111
>
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of floran
>higgins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> The two rear tabs are there but the front two are
missing. At least
>they are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
>
>
>
> Floran H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: flier
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> Hey John,
>
>
>
> The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts
that go through the
>floorboards, right? There used to be only the three
tabs for the rear
>bracket that has 3 attach points.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
> Floran,
>
> Please check the bottom of your
fuselage.. there should be
>4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2
just forward of
>those... Those 4 points are where the brackets
mount. There should not
>be an interference with the scoop that is installed
on your aircraft.
>
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
>
> John & Debra McBean
>
> 208.337.5111
>
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of floran
>higgins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
>
> It looks very good except the mounting brackets
supplied will not work
>on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
>
>
>
> Floran H.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>
> Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that
can be used on a KF
>2?
>
>
>
> I have seen them........
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag |
I agree whole heartedly with Dave.... I got my tiny tach from Bob.
Probably
the best money I've spent.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Marco , I would get a tiny tach. They are accurate and simple to
install
( about 1 minute)
I know nothing about cluthes nor do I have any use for one. But With
the
prop not engaged I think your 582 should easily idle below 2000 and
smooth
as well.
I would call a Rotax guy like Bob Robertson to get his opinion and order
a
tiny tach from him. They are cheap and Bob ships overnight.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco <mailto:msm_9949@yahoo.com> Menezes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Noel,
I have a cheap analog tach for CDI ignitions purchased from ACS. I put
it in
after frying the analog Kitfox tach during initial run-ups. (I neglected
to
install the supplemental resistor in the tach's circuit, per the Rotax
SB).
I'm sure the current tach reads 200-300 rpm too high at idle. I've
checked
this with hand-held digital tach. The clutch manufacturer represents
that
clutch disengages at 2400 rpm. At idle (throttle full back) my tach
reads
about 2700 rpm, so in reality, it's probably turning just at the
threshhold
where clutch engages.
I should probably invest in a more accurate tach, but that wouldn't
resolve
the puzzle of idle speed that won't go below 2400.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
When I pull my throttle all the way out the rpm will go all the way down
to
1500. Mind you if that happens while on the ground there will be enough
vibration to shake the fillings out of your teeth. That's not good for
the
engine or the aircraft.
What kind of tachometer do you have??? The electronic "Kitfox tach or
one
of the newer digital tachs that have no moving parts e.g. Tiny Tach?
last
year I had a lot of problems with my engine. By the end of the season
(floats) I came to the conclusion that there was a problem with my tach.
The cheapest most accurate way to tell if I was right was to install a
tiny
tach. The short story is I was right.
My Kitfox tach was reading 250 rpm high per 1000rpm indicated. e.g.
2000rpm
indicated was actually 1500rpm, 6800 rpm (take off max) was actually
5100rpm.. Wonder why I had problems getting into the air and climbing
with
floats or why I had to shim the hinges in my elevator. ( from idle
vibration)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Idle Speed - WAS PRop Drag
Noel,
I haven't been able to get my 582's idle speed below about 2400 rpms.
I've
adjusted the carb slides and throttle cables, rejetted the idle jets
(twice), everything that's been suggested. It will go no lower. The only
thing I've found that will slow it down further is to apply the choke. I
don't do it for very long, not wanting to soot up my plugs, but by
making
the prop free-wheel, it works very well to stop the floating.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I was advised to set my idle to around 1500 rpm. and to use that speed
only
to assist in
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| Subject: | Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
If you put your scrubber in the heat muff the air will come out slower and
even hotter.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:33 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Algate wrote:
> > - have you thought about using stranded Stainless steel (used for
> > kitchen wash scrubbers)
>
> Amazing! This is EXACTLY what I did with my Jabiru, last
> winter, Gary!
> I installed a cabin heater, from the muffler, but the air was
> coming in
> too fast and it didn't had the time to warm up. After adding a SS
> kitchen scrubber at the cabin's end of the hose, it comes in
> slower and
> warmer.
> ... great minds think alike! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Pot scrubbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Not sure if it would make any difference but I read somewhere about these
scrubbers being used in aircraft fabricated heat muffs. However, it made a
point to use the ones made from Brass (on the same shelf right next to
stainless). I can't remember why they specifically called for Brass except
maybe brass is softer and less likely to wear a hole in the muffler/heat
muff or, maybe it was heat retention?????. For whatever reason, I use the
Brass ones.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Heater Pot scrubbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Guys -- this is what you want right here
> http://update-international.com/jpg_300x300/ssp-50.html
>
> Most stores carry them .
>
> I use them and they are excellent. You can get 20 to 30 C temp gain in
> your cockpit done properly.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> That explains why I didn't think of it, Michel.: ) I spent a half-day
>> building some internal baffles, and you guys spent a
>> half-minute...sheeeesh! A great idea! I can't wait to try it out. I have
>> installed a (temporary) thermocouple lead into the outlet of each of my
>> heat muffs, and I can read what the air temp is coming out of the muffs.
>> I can experiment with different types of baffles and learn what helps the
>> most....guess that's what makes this "Experimental Aircraft"
>> experimental.
>>
>> I wonder what copper scrubbers would do? (please, no plastic scrubbers)
>> Works for radiators...or it did when they still made them that way, and
>> the coefficient of heat transmission is better than anything else my
>> "bible" shows other than silver.
>>
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:03 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Algate wrote:
>>>> - have you thought about using stranded Stainless steel (used for
>>>> kitchen wash scrubbers)
>>>
>>> Amazing! This is EXACTLY what I did with my Jabiru, last winter, Gary! I
>>> installed a cabin heater, from the muffler, but the air was coming in
>>> too fast and it didn't had the time to warm up. After adding a SS
>>> kitchen scrubber at the cabin's end of the hose, it comes in slower and
>>> warmer.
>>> ... great minds think alike! :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michel
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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All,
For some reason, everytime I mention that I have a Kitfox for sale I
always get three or four "new" people on the list that's interested in
info and pics so, here it is one more/last time. 2000 Classic IV w/582
for sale. Send request off list for info/pics. I may have to drop the
price if somebody don't get off the dime....Tell all your buddies and
your local airport.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Try this:
http://www.worldtalkradio.com/mp3player.asp?SegmentID=35723
Or go to http://www.ultraflightradio.com/archives2006/archives0610.html
and look for Bever Bourne air tech for Oct 3. close to the bottom of the
page.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:42 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:42 PM, Rex Shaw wrote:
> > http://www.ultraflightradio.com/impodcast/2006/10/03/uft061003d.mp3
>
> Rex, now that I have some time to listen to it, the link is dead. :-(
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Heater Pot scrubbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
I don't know about the stainless steel scrubbing pads you have mentioned but
have you ever seen steel wool burn? One spark will ignite it like it was
made out of gasoline. I have carried it before in a survival kit. One good
spark and you can easily start a camp fire. I have heard that it burns so
well because of an oil used in the process of making it. I would test a
piece of what ever you are using just to make sure.
Brian Smith.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Heater Pot scrubbers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Not sure if it would make any difference but I read somewhere about these
scrubbers being used in aircraft fabricated heat muffs. However, it made a
point to use the ones made from Brass (on the same shelf right next to
stainless). I can't remember why they specifically called for Brass except
maybe brass is softer and less likely to wear a hole in the muffler/heat
muff or, maybe it was heat retention?????. For whatever reason, I use the
Brass ones.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Heater Pot scrubbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Guys -- this is what you want right here
> http://update-international.com/jpg_300x300/ssp-50.html
>
> Most stores carry them .
>
> I use them and they are excellent. You can get 20 to 30 C temp gain in
> your cockpit done properly.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox/Jabiru trip numbers
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> That explains why I didn't think of it, Michel.: ) I spent a half-day
>> building some internal baffles, and you guys spent a
>> half-minute...sheeeesh! A great idea! I can't wait to try it out. I have
>> installed a (temporary) thermocouple lead into the outlet of each of my
>> heat muffs, and I can read what the air temp is coming out of the muffs.
>> I can experiment with different types of baffles and learn what helps the
>> most....guess that's what makes this "Experimental Aircraft"
>> experimental.
>>
>> I wonder what copper scrubbers would do? (please, no plastic scrubbers)
>> Works for radiators...or it did when they still made them that way, and
>> the coefficient of heat transmission is better than anything else my
>> "bible" shows other than silver.
>>
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2006, at 01:03 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Algate wrote:
>>>> - have you thought about using stranded Stainless steel (used for
>>>> kitchen wash scrubbers)
>>>
>>> Amazing! This is EXACTLY what I did with my Jabiru, last winter, Gary! I
>>> installed a cabin heater, from the muffler, but the air was coming in
>>> too fast and it didn't had the time to warm up. After adding a SS
>>> kitchen scrubber at the cabin's end of the hose, it comes in slower and
>>> warmer.
>>> ... great minds think alike! :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michel
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks. It's the Kitfox standard pod...
--- Original Message ---
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown"
<wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
>That is very nice. Did you do all the parts or is a
plug in play?
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of flier
>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:27 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-
list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>
>Floran,
>
>Did your pod come with two mounting brackets --
front
>with two legs and rear with 3?
>
>I've had a pod on my IV for 5 yrs now and use it
>often. Some time ago I took some detail photos for
>another gent that was mounting a pod but the
attached
>is all I could find this morning.
>
>The front mount is simply two AN eyebolts up through
>the floorboards just behind the radiator scoop. The
>tripod rear mount attaches directly to the tabs on
>the tubes.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ted
>
>
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>>I opened up the shroud and didnt see any tabs.
>>I am planning to make mounting brackets that will
>attach to the landing
>>gear attachments and brace them to the float
>attachment brackets.
>>I possibly will be able to use the rear attachments
>but will have to
>>brace them to the float brackets also.
>>
>>Floran H.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jdmcbean
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:12 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>> I think you may be looking too far forward.. There
>should be 2 between
>>the lift struts and the other 2 are only 12"
>forward. They should be
>>aft of the radiator not in front of.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>>
>> John & Debra McBean
>>
>> 208.337.5111
>>
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>>
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
>Behalf Of floran
>>higgins
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:15 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> The two rear tabs are there but the front two are
>missing. At least
>>they are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Floran H.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: flier
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey John,
>>
>>
>>
>> The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts
>that go through the
>>floorboards, right? There used to be only the three
>tabs for the rear
>>bracket that has 3 attach points.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
>Behalf Of jdmcbean
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>> Floran,
>>
>> Please check the bottom of your
>fuselage.. there should be
>>4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2
>just forward of
>>those... Those 4 points are where the brackets
>mount. There should not
>>be an interference with the scoop that is installed
>on your aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>>
>> John & Debra McBean
>>
>> 208.337.5111
>>
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>>
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
>Behalf Of floran
>>higgins
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
>>
>> It looks very good except the mounting brackets
>supplied will not work
>>on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Floran H.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that
>can be used on a KF
>>2?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen them........
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Heater Pot scrubbers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Brian,
These scrubbing pads are no where near the thin consistency of steel
wool. I understand what you are saying but the products are completely
different.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> I don't know about the stainless steel scrubbing pads you have mentioned
> but
> have you ever seen steel wool burn? One spark will ignite it like it was
> made out of gasoline. I have carried it before in a
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Does anybody have the instructions for installing the heater kit that
skystar use to sell? Thanks
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Cargo pods.... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
The picture you sent look like the mounting brackets that I received from
John McBean
My scoop is different. The rear of the scoop extends back to the rear
mounting bracket on your cargo pod.
It has an adjustable door on the rear that I can adjust from inside the
cabin to control the radiator heat. Just like on a F-51.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
> Floran,
>
> Did your pod come with two mounting brackets -- front
> with two legs and rear with 3?
>
> I've had a pod on my IV for 5 yrs now and use it
> often. Some time ago I took some detail photos for
> another gent that was mounting a pod but the attached
> is all I could find this morning.
>
> The front mount is simply two AN eyebolts up through
> the floorboards just behind the radiator scoop. The
> tripod rear mount attaches directly to the tabs on
> the tubes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>
>>I opened up the shroud and didnt see any tabs.
>>I am planning to make mounting brackets that will
> attach to the landing
>>gear attachments and brace them to the float
> attachment brackets.
>>I possibly will be able to use the rear attachments
> but will have to
>>brace them to the float brackets also.
>>
>>Floran H.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jdmcbean
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:12 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>> I think you may be looking too far forward.. There
> should be 2 between
>>the lift struts and the other 2 are only 12"
> forward. They should be
>>aft of the radiator not in front of.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>>
>> John & Debra McBean
>>
>> 208.337.5111
>>
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>>
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of floran
>>higgins
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:15 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> The two rear tabs are there but the front two are
> missing. At least
>>they are not visible by looking inside the scoop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Floran H.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: flier
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey John,
>>
>>
>>
>> The forward 2 attach points are actually eyebolts
> that go through the
>>floorboards, right? There used to be only the three
> tabs for the rear
>>bracket that has 3 attach points.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of jdmcbean
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:12 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>> Floran,
>>
>> Please check the bottom of your
> fuselage.. there should be
>>4 tabs.. 2 between the lift strut mount points and 2
> just forward of
>>those... Those 4 points are where the brackets
> mount. There should not
>>be an interference with the scoop that is installed
> on your aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>>
>> John & Debra McBean
>>
>> 208.337.5111
>>
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>>
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of floran
>>higgins
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> I just purchased a cargo pod from John McBean
>>
>> It looks very good except the mounting brackets
> supplied will not work
>>on my speedster and I will have to make my own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Floran H.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Cargo pods....
>>
>>
>>
>> Any leads or ideas for a removable cargo pod that
> can be used on a KF
>>2?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen them........
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-
> List">http://www.matron
>>
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