Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:32 AM - Re: Here is the FAR (Jim Crowder)
2. 01:39 AM - Re: Here is the FAR (84KF)
3. 02:13 AM - Re: Here is the FAR (84KF)
4. 03:01 AM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Dave G.)
5. 03:05 AM - Warp prop bolts (Dave G.)
6. 03:10 AM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Dave)
7. 03:10 AM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Dave)
8. 03:18 AM - Re: Warp prop bolts (Dave)
9. 03:22 AM - Video stats (Dave)
10. 04:25 AM - Re: Here is the FAR (Brian Rodgers)
11. 05:40 AM - Re: Re Propellers (JC Propellerdesign)
12. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Some messages are too wide for my computer screen (Noel Loveys)
13. 07:12 AM - Re: Warp prop bolts (Lowell Fitt)
14. 07:25 AM - Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! (PEDRO PEREZ)
15. 07:32 AM - Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// (PEDRO PEREZ)
16. 09:09 AM - Re: Here is the FAR (Jim Crowder)
17. 09:33 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Noel Loveys)
18. 10:06 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Noel Loveys)
19. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! (Dave and Diane)
20. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// (Noel Loveys)
21. 10:18 AM - Re: Warp prop bolts (Noel Loveys)
22. 10:30 AM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Noel Loveys)
23. 10:32 AM - Re: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic (Michel Verheughe)
24. 10:41 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Don Smythe)
25. 11:13 AM - Electrical question (Kaufjm@AOL.COM)
26. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// (Guy Buchanan)
27. 01:21 PM - Re: Propellers (JC Propellerdesign)
28. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! (Rexster)
29. 01:35 PM - OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Rexster)
30. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Propellers (Dave)
31. 01:49 PM - OFF TOPIC. Today's flight (Michel Verheughe)
32. 02:36 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (kirk hull)
33. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! (flier)
34. 03:19 PM - Re: heat muff report (Lynn Matteson)
35. 03:24 PM - Re: Electrical question (dcsfoto)
36. 03:26 PM - Re: Rebuilding 582's (akflyer)
37. 04:26 PM - Re: Electrical question (Lowell Fitt)
38. 04:32 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight (Dan Billingsley)
39. 05:13 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight (Dave)
40. 05:17 PM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
41. 05:21 PM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Dave)
42. 05:22 PM - Re: Warp prop bolts (Dave)
43. 05:31 PM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
44. 05:32 PM - Re: Warp prop bolts (Dave)
45. 06:58 PM - sport pilot with seaplain rating (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
46. 07:13 PM - Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating (ron schick)
47. 08:28 PM - Kitfox vs. Cub (Tony Partain)
48. 08:38 PM - Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating (WBL)
49. 09:07 PM - Re: Possible Ethanol solution (Michael Gibbs)
50. 11:17 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (JC Propellerdesign)
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| Subject: | Re: Here is the FAR |
Interesting. Since experimental aircraft are not certificated, it
would seem that this applies to those that are.
Jim Crowder
At 12:08 AM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
>In black and white it states "an aircraft that since its original
>certification has continued to meet the following:
>
>All items are mentioned
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| Subject: | Re: Here is the FAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
Jim,
Thanks for the support. This is (one of ) the point(s) I have been trying to
get across. I should have the definitive answere by this afternoon after I meet
with my GATOFSDO people at 9:00am this morning.
I could be wrong though... I was ONCE,... back in the 70's I think. [Wink]
--------
Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70082#70082
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| Subject: | Re: Here is the FAR |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
Oh,,, and by the way Elbie....Black and white, Page 31 of the actual rule:
The words, since its original
certification has continued to meet the
following are added to the introductory
text of 1.1. The reasons for this are
discussed in the section titled
Modification of Type-Certificated
Aircraft to Meet the Light-Sport Aircraft
Definition.
steve
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Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70085#70085
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a look at that it's
> so
> simple it's almost obscene.
>
> Noel
Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a look at mine
mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm wondering what bolts are
used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of the length, head etc.
Recommendations?
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
high altitude kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>
>> I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a look at that it's
>> so
>> simple it's almost obscene.
>>
>> Noel
>
> Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
actuallly -- high altitude compensator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>
>> I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a look at that it's
>> so
>> simple it's almost obscene.
>>
>> Noel
>
> Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp prop bolts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Dave,
I think off the top of my head they are AN4 1/4 " for the 12 that hold the
blades in place with Nuts and Washer under nut and head of bolt
and the 6 that bolt to hub are AN 8mm that thread into hub and i use a
8mm an locknut on backside and washer only under head of 8mm bolt
No safety wire at all.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a look at mine
> mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm wondering what bolts
> are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of the length, head
> etc.
>
> Recommendations?
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Just looked at the video stats for the two videos I posted here on Kitfox
flying .
The one has been downloaded 741 times and the one I just did 5 days ago
has been downloaded 197 times.
Vidoes seem popular.... maybe i should sell them :) just joking.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a look at mine
> mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm wondering what bolts
> are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of the length, head
> etc.
>
> Recommendations?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here is the FAR |
Jim, even the 'experimental' aircraft Category requires an
'airworthiness certificate'.
BTW, as a pilot, you are 'certificated' as well........
Brian Rodgers
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Crowder
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Here is the FAR
Interesting. Since experimental aircraft are not certificated, it
would seem that this applies to those that are.
Jim Crowder
At 12:08 AM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
In black and white it states "an aircraft that since its original
certification has continued to meet the following:
All items are mentioned
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageI am saying that if the blades is made uniform with each other
you can use any reference point to make them equal pitch.
If they are like it seems not uniform, 70 - 75 % radii is best.
Why? this is not only the center of thrust but also the peak of thrust,
differences here make a bigger difference then at the tip or near the
hub.
from 60 to 90 % the thrust is high, from 90% to tip it is reduced, and
from 60% to 15% it is also reduced to zero.
To compare different props the 75% station is best, due to different
twist between different brands.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:30 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
To be clear ...
What you are saying is the folks at Warp are wrong and the blades
pitch angle should be set at and all equal at .75 the length of the
blades.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC
Propellerdesign
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:39 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
The right place is 75% radii from center of hub to tip, or 25% from
tip, if diameter is 68" that is 8,5" from the tip or 25,5" from center.
when an total change of half degree+ make a difference from a
standard prop to an cruise prop, 2 degree at the tip make some
difference if it is only at the tip.
But as Dave measured, and difference of half deg make a lot
difference on a whole blade.
is #1 = 47,75" pitch
#2 = 48,58" pitch
#3 = 49,40" pitch
I got 47,89" on a Standard and 49,64 on a Cruise prop in my program
at 75%
Jan
Dave said<
>all 3 blades are same degrees on tip ( about 10,5 degrees) but
the
measurements at this station is about .82 the length of prop.
Not
ideal but I used what I had....
blade 1 15.25 deg
blade 2 15.50+ deg
blade 3 15.75 to 16 approx.<
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re: Some messages are too wide for my computer screen |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Web brousers do not have a wrap feature.
When a web page is written in HTML it is written
with the number of pixels of a particular screen
taken into account. The only time you will get a
new line is when it is written into the HTML code.
Because the list converts E-mail into html the only
time yo get a new lline is when the sender presses
the <<Enter>> key
Like this
Ok.
I recommend you open a free browser based E-Mail
account (Google, Hotmail or Yahoo ) and have the
posts sent to that address. When you open them
through the web based E-mail account the wrap feature
will work and you won't have to do as much
Horizontal scroooooooooooooooooooooooooooling.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Some messages are too wide for my
> computer screen
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
> I'm not getting the email versions. I am reading the kitfox
> list on the web at
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=ab1531ee468c
> 5f957cadfc1a88256cd1 this is where a lot of the messages are
> too wide to read. Some some are extremely wide.
> Tom Jones
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70046#70046
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp prop bolts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dave, When I mounted my prop, it seemed that the mounting bolts were a bit
sloppy in the mounting holes - prop and hub. they were 5/16 bolts. I
delayed long enough to order the 8mm bolts and found them to be a looser fit
than the 5/16 ones supplied by Skystar at the time, so went with the 5/16.
The Warp Drive manual calls for either.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a look at mine
> mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm wondering what bolts
> are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of the length, head
> etc.
>
> Recommendations?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
HELLO: LIST
DO ANY OF YOU HAVE INSTALLED A BRS ON YOUR KITFOX?????? ANY COMENTS!!!!!
REGARDS,
PEDRO
CLASSIC N212PR
PUERTO RICO
============================================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
HELO: LIST
I HAVE A ICOM A-5 ON MY FOX.. WITH FLIGHT TECH INTERCOM AND EXTERIOR
ANTENNA...
IN GROUND THERE NO PROBLEMS IN RE&TRA///
BUT IN FLIGHT/// EVERYBODY THAT COPY ME SAID THAT TOO MUCH INTERFERENSE
OCCURS////
DO ANY RECOMENDATIONS!!!!!!!
PEDRO
CLASSIC N212PR
PUERTO RICO
===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Here is the FAR |
True enough.
Jim Crowder
At 05:25 AM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
>Jim, even the 'experimental' aircraft Category requires an
>'airworthiness certificate'.
>BTW, as a pilot, you are 'certificated' as well........
>Brian Rodgers
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
Try Howard Hughes "Hells Angels" Originally filmed before sound and then
re-filmed after sound. No special effects what so ever!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen
"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during
some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact
that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17's, in about 50 days is
amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
Lynn
do not archive
I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Generated effects was
very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a B .... want to see
a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they used real planes and
models
just an opinion!
Dave
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So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are not
consistent.
Thanks..... I bought an Ivo-ul primarily because of the in cockpit
adjustable feature ( floats ) but when I contacted Warp it was going to
take
weeks before any blade ordered would be shipped.
The Ivo has its idiosyncrasies too. they require that you check the
torque
on the mounting bolts at regular intervals... They are so adamant about
this that they don't put holes for lock wire in the heads of the bolts
because they say people don't want to cut a little lock wire to check
the
prop torque.
I think the Ivo does a bit of coneing but that is away from the cowl. I
do
know it's a lot smoother than the time expired GSC it replaced. I would
consider going back to GSC with the cockpit adjustable two blade hub
with
the nickel edge Warp blades if it would fit on my Rotax "B" box PSRU.
(it
won't) Now I'm not sure about the Warp blades.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC
Propellerdesign
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
I am saying that if the blades is made uniform with each other you can
use
any reference point to make them equal pitch.
If they are like it seems not uniform, 70 - 75 % radii is best.
Why? this is not only the center of thrust but also the peak of thrust,
differences here make a bigger difference then at the tip or near the
hub.
from 60 to 90 % the thrust is high, from 90% to tip it is reduced, and
from
60% to 15% it is also reduced to zero.
To compare different props the 75% station is best, due to different
twist
between different brands.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:30 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
To be clear ...
What you are saying is the folks at Warp are wrong and the blades pitch
angle should be set at and all equal at .75 the length of the blades.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC
Propellerdesign
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
The right place is 75% radii from center of hub to tip, or 25% from tip,
if
diameter is 68" that is 8,5" from the tip or 25,5" from center.
when an total change of half degree+ make a difference from a standard
prop
to an cruise prop, 2 degree at the tip make some difference if it is
only at
the tip.
But as Dave measured, and difference of half deg make a lot difference
on a
whole blade.
is #1 = 47,75" pitch
#2 = 48,58" pitch
#3 = 49,40" pitch
I got 47,89" on a Standard and 49,64 on a Cruise prop in my program at
75%
Jan
Dave said<
>all 3 blades are same degrees on tip ( about 10,5 degrees) but the
measurements at this station is about .82 the length of prop. Not
ideal but I used what I had....
blade 1 15.25 deg
blade 2 15.50+ deg
blade 3 15.75 to 16 approx.<
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Pedro,
I don't intend to put one of these in my fox; however the outfit that makes
them is located at the same airport I fly out of in MN; and, I will say that
the best information will come directly from a company rep - they know their
stuff pretty well.
Those folks who had them and needed them generally kiss the BRS unit even
before they kiss the ground when the event is over.
A few comments:
1) Matching the weight of the aircraft with the BRS unit is critical. Some
Foxes are in range, but the 1550# gross may be a bit heavy for what fits.
2) Figuring out how to rig the harness is critical.
3) The attach points have to be capable of withstanding the stress of
deployment - a BRS does no good if it takes the attachs points with the chute
and separates from the aircraft.
1-3 should be discussed with the company rep - all three are absolute,
critical issues.
Other than that:
a) The BRS adds weight & takes space
b) It will not solve all problems - it will help with some situations, like
structural failure, power failure over a mountain/large swamp, IMC and no way
out; but, ONLY if there is sufficient altitude.
c) It costs something
d) If it is needed and not deployed, it won't help any either - it has been
definitively established through practical experience of a few individuals
that this is true....The pilot still has to be a pilot and still has to make
decisions......If you don't pull the handle, it won't deploy....really...
Sincerely,
Dave S,
St Paul, MN
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Thursday 26 October 2006 9:21 am, PEDRO PEREZ wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
>
> HELLO: LIST
>
> DO ANY OF YOU HAVE INSTALLED A BRS ON YOUR KITFOX?????? ANY COMENTS!!!!!
>
>
> REGARDS,
> PEDRO
> CLASSIC N212PR
> PUERTO RICO
>
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| Subject: | Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I have the A-24 and I did have the same problem..... It came form a problem
I had with my engine that actually shorted out the resistors in the spark
plugs. The CDI in the 582 does give off a pretty healthy spark and if the
resistor clips are worn or if the resistor plugs are not showing the correct
resistance ( I think 5 M Ohms) then you can count on TX noise on your
signal. Funny thing is the RX won't be nearly so bad.
These new super small X-cievers use the same boards to do several different
tasks in side the radio. Those boards are what is picking up the noise of
your engine and pumping it up the pipe.( antenna )
Hope this helps... The fix isn't hard, Good resistor caps on good resistor
plugs.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> PEDRO PEREZ
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:57 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS/////
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
>
> HELO: LIST
>
> I HAVE A ICOM A-5 ON MY FOX.. WITH FLIGHT TECH INTERCOM AND EXTERIOR
> ANTENNA...
>
> IN GROUND THERE NO PROBLEMS IN RE&TRA///
>
> BUT IN FLIGHT/// EVERYBODY THAT COPY ME SAID THAT TOO MUCH
> INTERFERENSE
> OCCURS////
>
> DO ANY RECOMENDATIONS!!!!!!!
>
> PEDRO
> CLASSIC N212PR
> PUERTO RICO
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I'm getting the idea I must be old fashioned.... I like to see a nice clean
lock wire job!
Ivo requires lock wire not be used on their props.
Boo hiss! But I do as I'm told.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:48 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> I think off the top of my head they are AN4 1/4 " for the
> 12 that hold the
> blades in place with Nuts and Washer under nut and head of bolt
> and the 6 that bolt to hub are AN 8mm that thread into hub
> and i use a
> 8mm an locknut on backside and washer only under head of 8mm bolt
> No safety wire at all.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >
> > All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a
> look at mine
> > mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm
> wondering what bolts
> > are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of
> the length, head
> > etc.
> >
> > Recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
High Altitude Compensator.... Basically it redirects some vacuum from the
intake and directs it to the float bowl to make the amount of fuel passing
through the main jet reduce with altitude. It allows you to fly at greater
altitudes and you won't spend as much time lifting and dropping the needles.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:31 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a
> look at that it's
> > so
> > simple it's almost obscene.
> >
> > Noel
>
> Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Noel,
On Oct 25, 2006, at 1:56 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Just guessing again... but it may come from the word coxswain...
Thank you for asking! :-) Etymology is my passion and so is the history
of seafarers, so; here is my answer.
Coque, is a French word that means; hull. But it is also a type of
small vessel. The word is also found in Cog, the type of vessels the
Hanseatic league used during the late middle-age to ferry, among other
things, stock fish (dried and/or salted cod) from Norway to central and
south Europe.
Cock is also a English type of small vessel, where the name came with
the French speaking Normands when they invaded England, taking with
them many French words in the Anglo-Saxon language.
From that, I suppose that cockpit is ... a pit in a cock, or coque. The
word cockpit in aviation is, as you know, borrowed from ship where the
cockpit is, as you say, the recess in the deck level, where the
helmsman steers. But, in my knowledge, the coxswain is not the helmsman
but the commander of the deckhands. Maybe this may vary from countries
to countries. But it is very likely that the "cox" of the coxswain
comes from the same "cock" or "coque."
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageNoel,
I started this thread about the tips of the Warp blade. Actually, I
first reported it over 5 years ago and nobody ever came back with a
check of their own. First off, even if it's a true situation that
doesn't make it a bad prop. You noticed I said "IF". The beauty of
this List is the ability to see what's going on in the Kitfox world. We
have uncovered many problems in the last 10 years or so. Some were very
minor and some a whole lot bigger. I have a strong feeling this tip
thing is a minor problem. In the ideal world, all list members owning
a Warp would go to the airport on a lazy day and map out their props and
report back. If it turns out that many see the same situation then we
would have leverage to go to Warp and report our findings. They might
just have to relax their opinion on measuring at the tips.
Bottom line, I don't think Warp is at fault for making bad blades.
I do feel strongly that measuring at the tips is not the best way to go.
Lets face it, measuring at the 75% point can't be a safety or dangerous
method and as pointed out on this thread, the 75% point is the hardest
working point.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are not
consistent.
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| Subject: | Electrical question |
I am having a problem with my 912ULS running rough. I've been every where,
checked for broken wires on my ignition modules, coils everything I can think
of. I've been through the carbs as well. I did find something on my ignition
switch that was supplied with the engine kit. It's the A-510-2 keyed
left-right-starter switch. There is a jumper that's on terminal 1. Going back
over
the instructions it says jumper used with impulse coupling. I assume that is
what the 912 has... The other thing is there is no ground wire to the switch
as indicated by the instructions, Could this cause a problem?
Thanks!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:27 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
>BUT IN FLIGHT/// EVERYBODY THAT COPY ME SAID THAT TOO MUCH INTERFERENSE
>OCCURS////
>
>DO ANY RECOMENDATIONS!!!!!!!
I did some research on this a while ago and found some information related
by a open cockpit builder. He said one way to increase the signal to noise
when transmitting was to turn the mic gain down and talk louder. I did that
with my A200 and it seemed to work. I doubt you can do that with a
hand-held. The only other recommendation would be to use a high quality
headset with it with a noise cancelling mic.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Ok, if we take the average
25" 25,5" 34 1/8
15,58 deg 16,33 deg 10 deg
43,8" pitch 46,9" pitch 37,8" pitch hmmmmmmm
what is the relative air at full speed ahead?
Dave had 103 mph at 6900?
103 * 1056 = 108768
6900/3 = 2300
108768/2300 = 47,3"
so it have an negative Alfa (at the flat bottom) at 75% of 0,4 deg, that
will be good for a CLIMB propeller, the high WOT RPM confirm that, and I
don't think Dave say differently.
My program say 16 deg at 75% and 12,5 deg at tip, I don't know the
thickness or cord length at tip on the standard warp but mine have an
difference of 5,36 deg from the bottom to the zero lift line at tip (
airfoil is 10,5 % thick at tip)
10 deg + 5,36 is 58,9" so even if the angle is low at the tip it will
make some thrust and not negative thrust. good but not perfect, but
maybe necessary with the wide tip the standard blade have.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Ok , Just went out to shop and got more accurate measurements.
Here are the three measurements that I took as follows.
Distance from centre of hub
25 25.5 at tip 34 1/8 inch
Blade 1 15.25 15.75 -10 (light 10 degree)
Blade 2 15.50 16.50 10
Blade 3 16 16.75 +10 ( heavy 10 degree)
as it turns out the 25 Inch from centre was my original measuring
point no .82 of the length - my mistake.
My conclusions -well I know it flys well now as you see it set above
and wx sucks today for accurate measurements 15 gusting 24 in light
rain and snow showers so I wait for another day.
but I think maybe set all three blades at the 25.5 inch place to about
16.25 to 16.5 degrees... how does this sound > ? And the tip ? Well
we worry about that later I guess.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: JC Propellerdesign
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
The right place is 75% radii from center of hub to tip, or 25% from
tip, if diameter is 68" that is 8,5" from the tip or 25,5" from center.
when an total change of half degree+ make a difference from a
standard prop to an cruise prop, 2 degree at the tip make some
difference if it is only at the tip.
But as Dave measured, and difference of half deg make a lot
difference on a whole blade.
is #1 = 47,75" pitch
#2 = 48,58" pitch
#3 = 49,40" pitch
I got 47,89" on a Standard and 49,64 on a Cruise prop in my program
at 75%
Jan
Dave said<
>all 3 blades are same degrees on tip ( about 10,5 degrees) but
the
measurements at this station is about .82 the length of prop.
Not
ideal but I used what I had....
blade 1 15.25 deg
blade 2 15.50+ deg
blade 3 15.75 to 16 approx.<
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| Subject: | Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! |
Pedro,
I have a BRS on my Model 3 and like it a lot. You'll get different rea
ctions from different people, so you have to make your own decisions. In
my opinion, Dave is right on all of his comments below. Yet, I feel muc
h more comfortable with my BRS on board and that's really the bottom lin
e for each of us. I think of the chute as TRUE life insurance. Instead o
f my estate getting some money if I crash and die, I get to continue to
live and enjoy more flying and life. I'll be interested to hear your tho
ughts and decision.
Rex in Michigan
-- Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.ne
t>
Pedro,
I don't intend to put one of these in my fox; however the outfit that ma
kes
them is located at the same airport I fly out of in MN; and, I will say
that
the best information will come directly from a company rep - they know t
heir
stuff pretty well.
Those folks who had them and needed them generally kiss the BRS unit eve
n
before they kiss the ground when the event is over.
A few comments:
1) Matching the weight of the aircraft with the BRS unit is critical. So
me
Foxes are in range, but the 1550# gross may be a bit heavy for what fit
s.
2) Figuring out how to rig the harness is critical.
3) The attach points have to be capable of withstanding the stress of
deployment - a BRS does no good if it takes the attachs points with the
chute
and separates from the aircraft.
1-3 should be discussed with the company rep - all three are absolute,
critical issues.
Other than that:
a) The BRS adds weight & takes space
b) It will not solve all problems - it will help with some situations, l
ike
structural failure, power failure over a mountain/large swamp, IMC and n
o way
out; but, ONLY if there is sufficient altitude.
c) It costs something
d) If it is needed and not deployed, it won't help any either - it has b
een
definitively established through practical experience of a few individua
ls
that this is true....The pilot still has to be a pilot and still has to
make
decisions......If you don't pull the handle, it won't deploy....really..
.
Sincerely,
Dave S,
St Paul, MN
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Thursday 26 October 2006 9:21 am, PEDRO PEREZ wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
>
> HELLO: LIST
>
> DO ANY OF YOU HAVE INSTALLED A BRS ON YOUR KITFOX?????? ANY COMENTS!!
!!!
>
>
> REGARDS,
> PEDRO
> CLASSIC N212PR
> PUERTO RICO
>
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<P> I have a BRS on my Model 3 and like it a lot. You'll get diffe
rent reactions from different people, so you have to make your own decis
ions. In my opinion, Dave is right on all of his comments below. Yet, I
feel much more comfortable with my BRS on board and that's really the bo
ttom line for each of us. I think of the chute as TRUE life insurance. I
nstead of my estate getting some money if I crash and die, I get to cont
inue to live and enjoy more flying and life. I'll be interested to hear
your thoughts and decision.</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan <BR><BR>-- Dave and Diane &l
t;ddsyverson@comcast.net> wrote:<BR>--> Kitfox-List 
;message posted by: Dave and Diane <dds
yverson@comcast.net><BR><BR>Pedro,<BR><BR>I don't intend&nb
sp;to put one of these in my fox;&nbs
p;however the outfit that makes <BR>them i
s located at the same airport I fly&n
bsp;out of in MN; and, I will say&nbs
p;that <BR>the best information will come
directly from a company rep - they kn
ow their <BR>stuff pretty well.<BR><BR>Those fo
lks who had them and needed them gene
rally kiss the BRS unit even <BR>before&nb
sp;they kiss the ground when the event&nbs
p;is over.<BR><BR>A few comments:<BR><BR>1) Matching
the weight of the aircraft with the&
nbsp;BRS unit is critical. Some <BR>Foxes
are in range, but the 1550# gross&nb
sp;may be a bit heavy for what fits.<
BR><BR>2) Figuring out how to rig the 
;harness is critical.<BR><BR>3) The attach poin
ts have to be capable of withstanding 
;the stress of <BR>deployment - a BRS 
;does no good if it takes the attachs
points with the chute <BR>and separates&n
bsp;from the aircraft. <BR><BR>1-3 should 
;be discussed with the company rep -
all three are absolute, <BR>critical issues.<BR
><BR>Other than that:<BR><BR>a) The BRS adds&nb
sp;weight & takes space<BR>b) It will
not solve all problems - it will help
with some situations, like <BR>structural 
;failure, power failure over a mountain/large&n
bsp;swamp, IMC and no way <BR>out; but,&nb
sp;ONLY if there is sufficient altitude.<BR>c)&
nbsp;It costs something<BR>d) If it is nee
ded and not deployed, it won't help a
ny either - it has been <BR>definitively&n
bsp;established through practical experience of 
;a few individuals <BR>that this is true..
..The pilot still has to be a pilot&n
bsp;and still has to make <BR>decisions......If
you don't pull the handle, it won't&
nbsp;deploy....really...<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Dave S,<BR><BR>St
Paul, MN<BR><BR>DO NOT ARCHIVE<BR><BR><BR><BR>On&nb
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;<BR>><BR>> HELLO: LIST<BR>><BR>> DO ANY
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it. Why
would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could tell some
of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all the work
that people put into the film. I was doing just that and never noticed a
nything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top of an enemy pl
ane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the good guy shot
an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So what? I guess
that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how anybody that crit
icizes this excellent flying movie would handle cartoons. I think cartoo
ns might not be realistic either.
I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, gymnasti
cs, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic talent and
then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and chew gum t
ear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and enjoy this sh
ow. It's fantastic!
Rex in Michigan
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lynnma
tt@jps.net writes:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynn
matt@jps.net>
At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen
"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during
some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact
that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17=92s, in about 50 days is
amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
Lynn
do not archiveI did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Genera
ted effects was very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a
B .... want to see a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...th
ey used real planes and models just an opinion! Davehref="http://www.m
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<html><P>I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved
it. Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could
tell some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all
the work that people put into the film. I was doing just that and n
ever noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top
of an enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the
good guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So
what? I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how any
body that criticizes this excellent flying movie would handle cartoons.
I think cartoons might not be realistic either.</P>
<P>I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, gymna
stics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic talent
and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and chew gu
m tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and enjoy this
show. It's fantastic!</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR></P>
<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT size=4>Noel</FONT></SPAN></P>
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ONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ow
ner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@ma
tronics.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Aerobatics@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tues
day, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> kitfox-list@matronics.com<B
R><B>Subject:</B> Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"<BR><BR></FONT></
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, l
ynnmatt@jps.net writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: b
lue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Aria
l size=2>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnm
att@jps.net><BR><BR>At the risk of catching hell for hogging the band
width...anybody seen <BR>"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it.
..very good period <BR>scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and
very little love <BR>story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to sus
pend belief during <BR>some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaini
ng movie. And the fact <BR>that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17=92s
, in about 50 days is <BR>amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.<
BR><BR>Lynn<BR>do not archive</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer
Generated effects was very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine...&
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I got in a few flights this am
one before and one after the reset .
I set all blades at 25.5 ": about 16+ degrees approx
tips were 10 10.5 and 11 degrees
might have been a little bit less vibration but performance about the
same ........
did not have much time and full day ahead of me but will try later
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in desktop .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: JC Propellerdesign
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Propellers
Ok, if we take the average
25" 25,5" 34 1/8
15,58 deg 16,33 deg 10 deg
43,8" pitch 46,9" pitch 37,8" pitch hmmmmmmm
what is the relative air at full speed ahead?
Dave had 103 mph at 6900?
103 * 1056 = 108768
6900/3 = 2300
108768/2300 = 47,3"
so it have an negative Alfa (at the flat bottom) at 75% of 0,4 deg,
that will be good for a CLIMB propeller, the high WOT RPM confirm that,
and I don't think Dave say differently.
My program say 16 deg at 75% and 12,5 deg at tip, I don't know the
thickness or cord length at tip on the standard warp but mine have an
difference of 5,36 deg from the bottom to the zero lift line at tip (
airfoil is 10,5 % thick at tip)
10 deg + 5,36 is 58,9" so even if the angle is low at the tip it will
make some thrust and not negative thrust. good but not perfect, but
maybe necessary with the wide tip the standard blade have.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Ok , Just went out to shop and got more accurate measurements.
Here are the three measurements that I took as follows.
Distance from centre of hub
25 25.5 at tip 34 1/8 inch
Blade 1 15.25 15.75 -10 (light 10 degree)
Blade 2 15.50 16.50 10
Blade 3 16 16.75 +10 ( heavy 10
degree)
as it turns out the 25 Inch from centre was my original measuring
point no .82 of the length - my mistake.
My conclusions -well I know it flys well now as you see it set
above and wx sucks today for accurate measurements 15 gusting 24 in
light rain and snow showers so I wait for another day.
but I think maybe set all three blades at the 25.5 inch place to
about 16.25 to 16.5 degrees... how does this sound > ? And the tip ?
Well we worry about that later I guess.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: JC Propellerdesign
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
The right place is 75% radii from center of hub to tip, or 25%
from tip, if diameter is 68" that is 8,5" from the tip or 25,5" from
center.
when an total change of half degree+ make a difference from a
standard prop to an cruise prop, 2 degree at the tip make some
difference if it is only at the tip.
But as Dave measured, and difference of half deg make a lot
difference on a whole blade.
is #1 = 47,75" pitch
#2 = 48,58" pitch
#3 = 49,40" pitch
I got 47,89" on a Standard and 49,64 on a Cruise prop in my
program at 75%
Jan
Dave said<
>all 3 blades are same degrees on tip ( about 10,5 degrees)
but the
measurements at this station is about .82 the length of prop.
Not
ideal but I used what I had....
blade 1 15.25 deg
blade 2 15.50+ deg
blade 3 15.75 to 16 approx.<
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
Here is today's flight.
http://home.online.no/~michel/Autumn/
Lesson learnt: Fog can close in pretty fast. I was flying in formation
with a Rans but we never reached our destination and returned home.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
I saw fly boys in osh in pre print ( still in digital format) and was
wandering if they erased the N numbers from all of the airplanes( even the
German planes ). We pointed it out to the director in the Q&A sessions.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it. Why
would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could tell some of
it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all the work that
people put into the film. I was doing just that and never noticed anything
looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top of an enemy plane with
it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the good guy shot an enemy
pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So what? I guess that stuff
could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how anybody that criticizes this
excellent flying movie would handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be
realistic either.
I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, gymnastics,
etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic talent and then
listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and chew gum tear the
athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and enjoy this show. It's
fantastic!
Rex in Michigan
Noel
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen
"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during
some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact
that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17's, in about 50 days is
amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
Lynn
do not archive
I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Generated effects was
very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a B .... want to see
a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they used real planes and
models
just an opinion!
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| Subject: | Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I have a BRS-750 softpack in my Nieuport 11 but not
in my Model IV. The N11 simply isn't as heavily
constructed or has the proven flight hours that
Kitfoxes have. Makes me feel a lot more comfortable
in the '11 and I may consider putting one in my IV as
it continues to age...
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!!
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane
<ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>
>Pedro,
>
>I don't intend to put one of these in my fox;
however the outfit that makes
>them is located at the same airport I fly out of in
MN; and, I will say that
>the best information will come directly from a
company rep - they know their
>stuff pretty well.
>
>Those folks who had them and needed them generally
kiss the BRS unit even
>before they kiss the ground when the event is over.
>
>A few comments:
>
>1) Matching the weight of the aircraft with the BRS
unit is critical. Some
>Foxes are in range, but the 1550# gross may be a
bit heavy for what fits.
>
>2) Figuring out how to rig the harness is critical.
>
>3) The attach points have to be capable of
withstanding the stress of
>deployment - a BRS does no good if it takes the
attachs points with the chute
>and separates from the aircraft.
>
>1-3 should be discussed with the company rep - all
three are absolute,
>critical issues.
>
>Other than that:
>
>a) The BRS adds weight & takes space
>b) It will not solve all problems - it will help
with some situations, like
>structural failure, power failure over a
mountain/large swamp, IMC and no way
>out; but, ONLY if there is sufficient altitude.
>c) It costs something
>d) If it is needed and not deployed, it won't help
any either - it has been
>definitively established through practical
experience of a few individuals
>that this is true....The pilot still has to be a
pilot and still has to make
>decisions......If you don't pull the handle, it
won't deploy....really...
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Dave S,
>
>St Paul, MN
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>On Thursday 26 October 2006 9:21 am, PEDRO PEREZ
wrote:
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>> HELLO: LIST
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>> DO ANY OF YOU HAVE INSTALLED A BRS ON YOUR
KITFOX?????? ANY COMENTS!!!!!
>>
>>
>> REGARDS,
>> PEDRO
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| Subject: | Re: heat muff report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
A followup after stuffing some foam in the cavities around the front
spar, and using some foam weatherstrip at the front of the doors, and
laying a strip of tape on the gap under the wings at the butt rib:
I didn't check temperatures, because I already did them and hadn't
changed anything on the muffs from yesterday. But I did take the plane
up to 9300 feet MSL, and with an OAT of 19 degrees F at that altitude,
it was comfortable inside. The EGT was ~1415F. What was NOT comfortable
was when I started the descent and the EGT got down to 1139 F, and my
cozy cabin got chilly.
Next I'm going to build something to close the open space between the
rear of the baggage sack and where the turtle deck attaches....it feels
cold back there. And I've still got some cold air coming in...maybe
between the cowl and the windshield.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
take the jumper off only a mag has an impulse coupling
912s use a type of electronic ignition
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70208#70208
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding 582's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
You were right. Rotax does offer the rods, bearings, pin and shims. One call
solved it all.. But this is only for the grey head. I am told they do not offer
the set for the blue head. I do not know what the differences may be.
Thanks again for the tip on who to call.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70209#70209
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
These can be difficult to track down. The easiest place to start would be
to check the plug wires. The ends screw into the coil modules as well as
the spark plug terminals. If there is any corrosion there it can affect the
spark. Some have cut .5" off the ends and re-attched the wires with
success.
A friend had significant roughness on the way to Oshkosh a couple of years
ago and was able to buy a new module there by factory recommendation - it
was a very expensive affort in futility as after installing the new one,
there was no improvement.
What he eventually found was an intermittant fault deep in the shielded
bundle of wires coming from the stator - on the stator side of the
connectors.
Other than these issues, I don't have any real experience. If you would
like to talk to Larry, contact me off list and I will give you his phone
number. He's a pretty sharp guy.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Kaufjm@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Electrical question
>I am having a problem with my 912ULS running rough. I've been every where,
> checked for broken wires on my ignition modules, coils everything I can
> think
> of. I've been through the carbs as well. I did find something on my
> ignition
> switch that was supplied with the engine kit. It's the A-510-2 keyed
> left-right-starter switch. There is a jumper that's on terminal 1. Going
> back over
> the instructions it says jumper used with impulse coupling. I assume that
> is
> what the 912 has... The other thing is there is no ground wire to the
> switch
> as indicated by the instructions, Could this cause a problem?
> Thanks!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight |
Michel,
Thanks for the pictures! It helps those of us who are still in the "some day
this thing will fly stage" :>)
Dan
Mesa, AZ
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Hello guys,
Here is today's flight.
http://home.online.no/~michel/Autumn/
Lesson learnt: Fog can close in pretty fast. I was flying in formation
with a Rans but we never reached our destination and returned home.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Very Nice Michel !
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
> Here is today's flight.
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Autumn/
>
> Lesson learnt: Fog can close in pretty fast. I was flying in formation
> with a Rans but we never reached our destination and returned home.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageDon, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine
after a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One tip
was out about 1 degree.
To be honest I really don't think that I found any differnances and if
anything perhaps a little less vibration.
I did not have a chance to get again till about noon and winds were 10 g
15 knots on ground and kinda bumpy and hard to get good numbers.
I finally got out again at about 4:30 til 5:30 temp 39F winds on
ground 7 knots and at 3000 asl ( 2000 agl) about 20 knots
I did climbs and still remains 1200 to 1400 fpm ,cruise about 88 to 90
mph @ 5900 rpm and fuel flo about 19 to 20 litres / hour.
I have a GSC here 68" as well and will try it as soon as I can this
week hopefully and report back.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Noel,
I started this thread about the tips of the Warp blade. Actually,
I first reported it over 5 years ago and nobody ever came back with a
check of their own. First off, even if it's a true situation that
doesn't make it a bad prop. You noticed I said "IF". The beauty of
this List is the ability to see what's going on in the Kitfox world. We
have uncovered many problems in the last 10 years or so. Some were very
minor and some a whole lot bigger. I have a strong feeling this tip
thing is a minor problem. In the ideal world, all list members owning
a Warp would go to the airport on a lazy day and map out their props and
report back. If it turns out that many see the same situation then we
would have leverage to go to Warp and report our findings. They might
just have to relax their opinion on measuring at the tips.
Bottom line, I don't think Warp is at fault for making bad blades.
I do feel strongly that measuring at the tips is not the best way to
go. Lets face it, measuring at the 75% point can't be a safety or
dangerous method and as pointed out on this thread, the 75% point is the
hardest working point.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are
not consistent.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Noel, You can still get artic sparrow kits too where the needle has a screw
on it silver soldered on and you turn on knob for each carb.
I have a friend with that on his Rotax and it works ok. I am not sure if
it really worth the effort though unless you routinley fly from Sea level to
over 7500 alot.
To me it just something else to screw up. I can get away chnaing needles
once in fall which I just did all the way rich and then revert back again in
spring again.
Keep it simple.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> High Altitude Compensator.... Basically it redirects some vacuum from the
> intake and directs it to the float bowl to make the amount of fuel passing
> through the main jet reduce with altitude. It allows you to fly at
> greater
> altitudes and you won't spend as much time lifting and dropping the
> needles.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:31 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> >
>> > I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a
>> look at that it's
>> > so
>> > simple it's almost obscene.
>> >
>> > Noel
>>
>> Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp prop bolts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Safety wire not an issue on prop bolts with selflocking nuts on back side
like Warp , GSC and Ivos that I have used and set up .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> I'm getting the idea I must be old fashioned.... I like to see a nice
> clean
> lock wire job!
> Ivo requires lock wire not be used on their props.
>
> Boo hiss! But I do as I'm told.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:48 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I think off the top of my head they are AN4 1/4 " for the
>> 12 that hold the
>> blades in place with Nuts and Washer under nut and head of bolt
>> and the 6 that bolt to hub are AN 8mm that thread into hub
>> and i use a
>> 8mm an locknut on backside and washer only under head of 8mm bolt
>> No safety wire at all.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> >
>> > All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a
>> look at mine
>> > mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm
>> wondering what bolts
>> > are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of
>> the length, head
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > Recommendations?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageWarp blades ok in my book.
Warp blades are probably too heavy for a B box. You should get a C or E
box with rubber damper for smoother operation as well. E box would be
my choice.
2 blade props should not be used on 582 with 3 to 1 ratio. Not sure
exact reason but might be some resonance or something that causes extra
strain and stresses and will possibly lead to failure. I don't think
Warp or IVO recommend this. IVO will allow a medium prop on a 3 to 1
box because of it's larger size hub over 5 " whereas the smaller one is
about 4 inches.
Dave
PS Warp Blades take about 2 to 3 weeks to get , GSC a week and IVOs
overnight. WARPs with nickel leading edge is most abrasion resistant
for dirt, sand, stone and float operations
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are not
consistent.
Thanks..... I bought an Ivo-ul primarily because of the in cockpit
adjustable feature ( floats ) but when I contacted Warp it was going to
take weeks before any blade ordered would be shipped.
The Ivo has its idiosyncrasies too. they require that you check the
torque on the mounting bolts at regular intervals... They are so
adamant about this that they don't put holes for lock wire in the heads
of the bolts because they say people don't want to cut a little lock
wire to check the prop torque.
I think the Ivo does a bit of coneing but that is away from the cowl.
I do know it's a lot smoother than the time expired GSC it replaced. I
would consider going back to GSC with the cockpit adjustable two blade
hub with the nickel edge Warp blades if it would fit on my Rotax "B" box
PSRU. (it won't) Now I'm not sure about the Warp blades.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC
Propellerdesign
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:09 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
I am saying that if the blades is made uniform with each other you
can use any reference point to make them equal pitch.
If they are like it seems not uniform, 70 - 75 % radii is best.
Why? this is not only the center of thrust but also the peak of
thrust, differences here make a bigger difference then at the tip or
near the hub.
from 60 to 90 % the thrust is high, from 90% to tip it is reduced,
and from 60% to 15% it is also reduced to zero.
To compare different props the 75% station is best, due to different
twist between different brands.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:30 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
To be clear ...
What you are saying is the folks at Warp are wrong and the blades
pitch angle should be set at and all equal at .75 the length of the
blades.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC
Propellerdesign
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:39 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
The right place is 75% radii from center of hub to tip, or 25%
from tip, if diameter is 68" that is 8,5" from the tip or 25,5" from
center.
when an total change of half degree+ make a difference from a
standard prop to an cruise prop, 2 degree at the tip make some
difference if it is only at the tip.
But as Dave measured, and difference of half deg make a lot
difference on a whole blade.
is #1 = 47,75" pitch
#2 = 48,58" pitch
#3 = 49,40" pitch
I got 47,89" on a Standard and 49,64 on a Cruise prop in my
program at 75%
Jan
Dave said<
>all 3 blades are same degrees on tip ( about 10,5 degrees)
but the
measurements at this station is about .82 the length of
prop. Not
ideal but I used what I had....
blade 1 15.25 deg
blade 2 15.50+ deg
blade 3 15.75 to 16 approx.<
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| Subject: | Re: Warp prop bolts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Lowell, Thanks -- I have a set of drive lugs to put in my 582 this week
when I try the GSC prop. I always thought there were 8mm but maybe a 5/16s
does work.....
Will try and report back.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Dave, When I mounted my prop, it seemed that the mounting bolts were a
> bit sloppy in the mounting holes - prop and hub. they were 5/16 bolts. I
> delayed long enough to order the 8mm bolts and found them to be a looser
> fit than the 5/16 ones supplied by Skystar at the time, so went with the
> 5/16. The Warp Drive manual calls for either.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:04 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a look at mine
>> mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm wondering what bolts
>> are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of the length, head
>> etc.
>>
>> Recommendations?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | sport pilot with seaplain rating |
I passed my check ride today almost a no brainier did the oral over lunch
and logged . 4 HR flying a quicksilver. now I send my log book to a CFI and
get my final tail wheel indorsement all with NO formal training and I have
never had anyone in my right seat. only in America
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| Subject: | sport pilot with seaplain rating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Wow! Congrads! I too taught myself to fly, but the wife made me get a
license. Ron NB Or
do not archive
>From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: sport pilot with seaplain rating Date: Wed, 25 Oct
>2006 21:57:30 EDT
>
>I passed my check ride today almost a no brainier did the oral over lunch
>and logged . 4 HR flying a quicksilver. now I send my log book to a CFI
>and
>get my final tail wheel indorsement all with NO formal training and I
>have
>never had anyone in my right seat. only in America
_________________________________________________________________
Use your PC to make calls at very low rates
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain" <tpartain@bendcable.com>
Hello everyone after building my RV7 and starting a RV10, midway through the RV10
tail kit I decided that I had already done enough metal work. So I sold the
10 tail kit. My other choice was a Cub, but after researching the Cub kits they
were either very expensive or expensive and incomplete. And the plans for a
Cub are non existent. The Kitfox kept coming back to the front of the list. I
looked at the Just Aircraft Highlander but support of the Kitfox group seem to
be more prevalent. The side by side seating is a plus and having 150 lbs of
baggage capacity is a plus also.
So I have a few question about performance of the Super Sport with a 100 hp Rotax.
Is the advertised rate of climb accurate for the Super Sport? The advertised rate
is 1200 fpm.
Is the stall speed accurate at 41 mph?
How many people are actually using this aircraft for back country airstrips? I
plan on using the plane on strips that a mainly grass and gravel strips. Nothing
extreme.
Does this design have the durability to handle this type of use?
Quick Build wings, is it worth the extra $1295 for the QB option?
I would like to hear your thoughts on these items.
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
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| Subject: | Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com>
I hope the FAA does not archive your email!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>Sent: Oct 25, 2006 6:57 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: sport pilot with seaplain rating
>
>I passed my check ride today almost a no brainier did the oral over lunch
>and logged . 4 HR flying a quicksilver. now I send my log book to a CFI and
>get my final tail wheel indorsement all with NO formal training and I have
>never had anyone in my right seat. only in America
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Ethanol solution |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Brian sez:
>Heck, let's chuck it all and focus our energy on developing really
>big rubber bands...
I don't know how many of my not-aviation-savvy friends have said to
me about my Kitfox, "Where's the rubber band?" :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
Tony,
Except for VAN's don't thrust the factory Nr's.
I guess that's why you ask this group.
Dave have a top speed of 100+ MPH with 65 HP, on his KF IV, so if
everything ells is the same, you will have a cruise of 100-102 at 65%
power.
top speed 115 -118 MPH if you have fairings.
climb at 1200 LBS TOW 1050fpm to 1390 fpm depending on how you prop the
plane.(standard day SL)
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Partain
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox vs. Cub
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain"
<tpartain@bendcable.com>
Hello everyone after building my RV7 and starting a RV10, midway
through the RV10 tail kit I decided that I had already done enough metal
work. So I sold the 10 tail kit. My other choice was a Cub, but after
researching the Cub kits they were either very expensive or expensive
and incomplete. And the plans for a Cub are non existent. The Kitfox
kept coming back to the front of the list. I looked at the Just Aircraft
Highlander but support of the Kitfox group seem to be more prevalent.
The side by side seating is a plus and having 150 lbs of baggage
capacity is a plus also.
So I have a few question about performance of the Super Sport with a
100 hp Rotax.
Is the advertised rate of climb accurate for the Super Sport? The
advertised rate is 1200 fpm.
Is the stall speed accurate at 41 mph?
How many people are actually using this aircraft for back country
airstrips? I plan on using the plane on strips that a mainly grass and
gravel strips. Nothing extreme.
Does this design have the durability to handle this type of use?
Quick Build wings, is it worth the extra $1295 for the QB option?
I would like to hear your thoughts on these items.
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
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