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1. 04:24 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Don Smythe)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
4. 04:54 AM - Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:21 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Don Smythe)
6. 05:27 AM - Re: Re Propellers (JC Propellerdesign)
7. 05:40 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Noel Loveys)
8. 05:47 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
9. 05:48 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
10. 05:52 AM - Re: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic (Noel Loveys)
11. 05:53 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Noel Loveys)
12. 05:55 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight (Noel Loveys)
13. 06:01 AM - Re: Warp prop bolts (Noel Loveys)
14. 06:06 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Bob Unternaehrer)
15. 06:10 AM - Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating (Lynn Matteson)
16. 06:14 AM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Noel Loveys)
17. 06:29 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Lynn Matteson)
18. 06:31 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Dave)
19. 06:47 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Lynn Matteson)
20. 06:57 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Lowell Fitt)
21. 07:42 AM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Lowell Fitt)
22. 07:53 AM - Re: Re Propellers (JC Propellerdesign)
23. 08:37 AM - Re: Re:AUX. FUEL PUMP (PEDRO PEREZ)
24. 08:38 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?ALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL...? (PEDRO PEREZ)
25. 09:09 AM - Re: Re Propellers (Lowell Fitt)
26. 09:33 AM - Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Rex Hefferan)
27. 09:33 AM - Re: Some messages are too wide for my computer screen (Michael Gibbs)
28. 10:14 AM - GSC numbers : Re Propellers (Dave)
29. 10:16 AM - GSC numbers : Re Propellers (Dave)
30. 10:22 AM - GSC numbers : Re Propellers (Dave)
31. 10:23 AM - Re: Re:AUX. FUEL PUMP (Lowell Fitt)
32. 10:53 AM - Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Roger McConnell)
33. 11:06 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kitfox-List=3AALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL=2E=2E=2E? (Jose M. Toro)
34. 11:07 AM - Re: Possible Ethanol solution (Richard Rabbers)
35. 11:19 AM - OFF TOPIC: Origin of Cockpit (Michel Verheughe)
36. 11:29 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:__ALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL...? (Michel Verheughe)
37. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Possible Ethanol solution (Lynn Matteson)
38. 12:07 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Richard Rabbers)
39. 12:16 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight (darinh)
40. 12:36 PM - Re: GSC numbers : Re Propellers (Don Smythe)
41. 12:48 PM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Guy Buchanan)
42. 01:01 PM - Re: Possible Ethanol solution (Richard Rabbers)
43. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Dave Abramson)
44. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" (Dave Abramson)
45. 01:34 PM - Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub (Dave G.)
46. 01:50 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kitfox-List=3A_ALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL=2E=2E=2E? (Jose M. Toro)
47. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight (Jose M. Toro)
48. 01:58 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages (Lyle Peterson)
49. 02:53 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?ALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL...? (Francisco J Ocampo)
50. 03:06 PM - Re: GSC numbers : Re Propellers (Dave)
51. 05:14 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
52. 05:46 PM - avid catalina (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
53. 06:03 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Dan Billingsley)
54. 06:55 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Tony Partain)
55. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Lynn Matteson)
56. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// (A Smith)
57. 08:45 PM - Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Grant Fluent)
58. 08:49 PM - Running rough (Rex Shaw)
59. 11:52 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox vs. Cub (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageDave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At least,
a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If you
had pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at the
.75 station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now. I
think that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine after
a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One tip
was out about 1 degree.
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
582
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>
> What type of engine Dave?
>
>
> From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:17:09 -0400
>
>
> Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine after a
> flight at dawn.
> I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One tip was
> out about 1 degree.
>
> To be honest I really don't think that I found any differnances and if
> anything perhaps a little less vibration.
> I did not have a chance to get again till about noon and winds were 10 g
> 15 knots on ground and kinda bumpy and hard to get good numbers.
> I finally got out again at about 4:30 til 5:30 temp 39F winds on ground
> 7 knots and at 3000 asl ( 2000 agl) about 20 knots
> I did climbs and still remains 1200 to 1400 fpm ,cruise about 88 to 90 mph
> @ 5900 rpm and fuel flo about 19 to 20 litres / hour.
>
> I have a GSC here 68" as well and will try it as soon as I can this week
> hopefully and report back.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Smythe
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
>
>
> Noel,
> I started this thread about the tips of the Warp blade. Actually, I
> first reported it over 5 years ago and nobody ever came back with a check
> of their own. First off, even if it's a true situation that doesn't make
> it a bad prop. You noticed I said "IF". The beauty of this List is the
> ability to see what's going on in the Kitfox world. We have uncovered
> many problems in the last 10 years or so. Some were very minor and some a
> whole lot bigger. I have a strong feeling this tip thing is a minor
> problem. In the ideal world, all list members owning a Warp would go to
> the airport on a lazy day and map out their props and report back. If it
> turns out that many see the same situation then we would have leverage to
> go to Warp and report our findings. They might just have to relax their
> opinion on measuring at the tips.
> Bottom line, I don't think Warp is at fault for making bad blades. I
> do feel strongly that measuring at the tips is not the best way to go.
> Lets face it, measuring at the 75% point can't be a safety or dangerous
> method and as pointed out on this thread, the 75% point is the hardest
> working point.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Noel Loveys
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are not
> consistent.
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageYes Don,
So I will trry to get some more accurate testing done and see. Now it
would be interesting to see what Warp has to say and the reasoning for
their approach to adjusting at the tip.
Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip.
Once thing I did not check was the tracking, although I should have .
I will go out to shop now and look and let you know soon.
Also as you can see from the movies we did last Weekend from the Trailer
park <snicker> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ this Kitfox is not
lacking in short field performance in my opinion. So what does that
say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ? Any comments on
a better way to test ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At
least, a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If
you had pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at
the .75 station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now.
I think that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine
after a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One
tip was out about 1 degree.
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| Subject: | Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating |
Congrats Malcolm. Big milestone.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: sport pilot with seaplain rating
I passed my check ride today almost a no brainier did the oral over
lunch and logged . 4 HR flying a quicksilver. now I send my log book
to a CFI and get my final tail wheel indorsement all with NO formal
training and I have never had anyone in my right seat. only in America
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageDave,
See below
>> Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip.>>
I think that Warp chose the tips because it's a reference point for
them. They want to know what pitch you have for a particular
plane/engine when they provide service. If everybody uses the same
point (tips) they have a good reference base. It doesn't do them much
good to have a customer give them a pitch of 27 degrees and another give
them 15 degrees for the same plane/engine setup. Maybe, just maybe they
don't really realize that their tips "could" be off just a tad????
>>that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ?>>
Again, I think the blades are very uniform (in my case anyway) all the
way except the last 2". I think this is a very minor situation but
worth knowing about. When we adjust our props, we want to be exact as
possible. Right????
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageDave,
Why not call Stuart at Powerfin and ask if you can borrow a 68" 3 bladed
F-blade prop for testing?
Phone 1 (509) 924-7556 - Toll Free 1 (800) 581-8207
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Yes Don,
So I will trry to get some more accurate testing done and see. Now
it would be interesting to see what Warp has to say and the reasoning
for their approach to adjusting at the tip.
Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip.
Once thing I did not check was the tracking, although I should have .
I will go out to shop now and look and let you know soon.
Also as you can see from the movies we did last Weekend from the
Trailer park <snicker> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ this Kitfox
is not lacking in short field performance in my opinion. So what does
that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ? Any
comments on a better way to test ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At
least, a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If
you had pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at
the .75 station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now.
I think that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine
after a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One
tip was out about 1 degree.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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I agree with every thing you have said here.... And I will usually find
something to disagree with, so this is a to me an event. :-)
I still find it amazing with this information, apparently reported to
Warp
several times, they haven't changed their manuals to designate the .75
station as the place to measure prop angles.
I would also like to strobe a Warp prop at Take off speed. I'm willing
to
bet dollars to doughnuts that there is some flexing going on as
centripetal
forces increase. Blade flex to decrease pitch with rpm, as I understand
it,
occurs in the Boer prop used on SuperCub sea planes.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Noel,
I started this thread about the tips of the Warp blade. Actually, I
first reported it over 5 years ago and nobody ever came back with a
check of
their own. First off, even if it's a true situation that doesn't make
it a
bad prop. You noticed I said "IF". The beauty of this List is the
ability
to see what's going on in the Kitfox world. We have uncovered many
problems
in the last 10 years or so. Some were very minor and some a whole lot
bigger. I have a strong feeling this tip thing is a minor problem. In
the
ideal world, all list members owning a Warp would go to the airport on a
lazy day and map out their props and report back. If it turns out that
many
see the same situation then we would have leverage to go to Warp and
report
our findings. They might just have to relax their opinion on measuring
at
the tips.
Bottom line, I don't think Warp is at fault for making bad blades.
I do
feel strongly that measuring at the tips is not the best way to go.
Lets
face it, measuring at the 75% point can't be a safety or dangerous
method
and as pointed out on this thread, the 75% point is the hardest working
point.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are not
consistent.
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageOK , just went out again and measured prop -- all 3 blades at
25.5 inches from centre of hub at 16 degrees
Measured at tip as follows 10 , 10.125 10.875
tracking of all three measured at tip within .125 inch at most more
like about 3/32s
Went for flight temp 37 F air dead calm every direction at under 200
agl flew 88 70 89.5 mph via gps in any direction at low altitude.
Did this for 20 mins. Very pretty when you see every chimney and smoke
stack with a vertical column of smoke going steady - straight up
........
Prop works well , GSC going to get tested next - hopefully today !!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
See below
>> Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to
tip.>>
I think that Warp chose the tips because it's a reference point for
them. They want to know what pitch you have for a particular
plane/engine when they provide service. If everybody uses the same
point (tips) they have a good reference base. It doesn't do them much
good to have a customer give them a pitch of 27 degrees and another give
them 15 degrees for the same plane/engine setup. Maybe, just maybe they
don't really realize that their tips "could" be off just a tad????
>>that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ?>>
Again, I think the blades are very uniform (in my case anyway) all the
way except the last 2". I think this is a very minor situation but
worth knowing about. When we adjust our props, we want to be exact as
possible. Right????
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageIf you know him have him email me ...... I would be more than
happy to compare his best choice to the others.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: JC Propellerdesign
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
Why not call Stuart at Powerfin and ask if you can borrow a 68" 3
bladed F-blade prop for testing?
Phone 1 (509) 924-7556 - Toll Free 1 (800) 581-8207
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Yes Don,
So I will trry to get some more accurate testing done and see.
Now it would be interesting to see what Warp has to say and the
reasoning for their approach to adjusting at the tip.
Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip.
Once thing I did not check was the tracking, although I should have .
I will go out to shop now and look and let you know soon.
Also as you can see from the movies we did last Weekend from the
Trailer park <snicker> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ this Kitfox
is not lacking in short field performance in my opinion. So what does
that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ? Any
comments on a better way to test ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At
least, a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If
you had pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at
the .75 station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now.
I think that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine
after a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub.
One tip was out about 1 degree.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
My understanding is the commander of the deck crew is the third mate or
Boatswain.
What do you think about that... Is the Cox and the boatswain the same
position in different ships??
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:02 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello Noel,
>
> On Oct 25, 2006, at 1:56 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> > Just guessing again... but it may come from the word coxswain...
>
> Thank you for asking! :-) Etymology is my passion and so is
> the history
> of seafarers, so; here is my answer.
> Coque, is a French word that means; hull. But it is also a type of
> small vessel. The word is also found in Cog, the type of vessels the
> Hanseatic league used during the late middle-age to ferry,
> among other
> things, stock fish (dried and/or salted cod) from Norway to
> central and
> south Europe.
>
> Cock is also a English type of small vessel, where the name came with
> the French speaking Normands when they invaded England, taking with
> them many French words in the Anglo-Saxon language.
>
> From that, I suppose that cockpit is ... a pit in a cock, or
> coque. The
> word cockpit in aviation is, as you know, borrowed from ship
> where the
> cockpit is, as you say, the recess in the deck level, where the
> helmsman steers. But, in my knowledge, the coxswain is not
> the helmsman
> but the commander of the deckhands. Maybe this may vary from
> countries
> to countries. But it is very likely that the "cox" of the coxswain
> comes from the same "cock" or "coque."
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
I have to check when it will be a t the nearest theatre, about 60 mi. away.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it. Why
would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could tell some of
it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all the work that
people put into the film. I was doing just that and never noticed anything
looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top of an enemy plane with
it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the good guy shot an enemy
pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So what? I guess that stuff
could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how anybody that criticizes this
excellent flying movie would handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be
realistic either.
I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, gymnastics,
etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic talent and then
listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and chew gum tear the
athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and enjoy this show. It's
fantastic!
Rex in Michigan
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen
"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during
some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact
that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17's, in about 50 days is
amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
Lynn
do not archive
I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Generated effects was
very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a B .... want to see
a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they used real planes and
models
just an opinion!
Dave
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC. Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Tell me about it! I blunted my axe cutting through it yesterday... Wind
and rain here today.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:19 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
> Here is today's flight.
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Autumn/
>
> Lesson learnt: Fog can close in pretty fast. I was flying in
> formation
> with a Rans but we never reached our destination and returned home.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I've seen self locking nuts, fibre and metal work loose. Admittedly they
were obviously re used nuts and probably should have been condemned.
Nothing looks as nice as a well done lock wire.
Little holds a well as a cotter pin. Doesn't look as nice though.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:53 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Safety wire not an issue on prop bolts with selflocking nuts
> on back side
> like Warp , GSC and Ivos that I have used and set up .
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:17 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > I'm getting the idea I must be old fashioned.... I like to
> see a nice
> > clean
> > lock wire job!
> > Ivo requires lock wire not be used on their props.
> >
> > Boo hiss! But I do as I'm told.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:48 AM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> I think off the top of my head they are AN4 1/4 " for the
> >> 12 that hold the
> >> blades in place with Nuts and Washer under nut and head of bolt
> >> and the 6 that bolt to hub are AN 8mm that thread into hub
> >> and i use a
> >> 8mm an locknut on backside and washer only under head of 8mm bolt
> >> No safety wire at all.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:04 AM
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp prop bolts
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G."
> <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >> >
> >> > All the talk about the warp prop has me wanting to have a
> >> look at mine
> >> > mounted. I'm missing a bit of documentation and I'm
> >> wondering what bolts
> >> > are used on these. I think they are 8mm but am unsure of
> >> the length, head
> >> > etc.
> >> >
> >> > Recommendations?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
Was "fly-boys" the movie that Robert Beasley from the KCMO. area built
some of the planes for and was filmed in England, or am I thinking of
something else. If so those planes probably never had any N-numbers. I
know he bought the planes back from the production co. after the filming
was done. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: kirk hull
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
I saw fly boys in osh in pre print ( still in digital format) and was
wandering if they erased the N numbers from all of the airplanes( even
the German planes ). We pointed it out to the director in the Q&A
sessions.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:34 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it.
Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could tell
some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all the
work that people put into the film. I was doing just that and never
noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top of an
enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the good
guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So what?
I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how anybody
that criticizes this excellent flying movie would handle cartoons. I
think cartoons might not be realistic either.
I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving,
gymnastics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic
talent and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and
chew gum tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and
enjoy this show. It's fantastic!
Rex in Michigan
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody
seen
"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief
during
some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the
fact
that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17's, in about 50 days is
amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
Lynn
do not archive
I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Generated
effects was very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a B
.... want to see a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they
used real planes and models
just an opinion!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: sport pilot with seaplain rating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I guess I wasted my time getting all that training this summer. : )
Congrats, Malcolm.....(I think)....
Was it with Walter?
Lynn
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 09:57 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote:
> I passed my check ride today almost a no brainier did the oral over
> lunch and logged . 4 HR flying a quicksilver. now I send my log book
> to a CFI and get my final tail wheel indorsement all with NO formal
> training and I have never had anyone in my right seat. only in
> America
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Using the HAC you would only use the most rich setting on your main needle.
The rest of the leaning would be done with the HAC. Of course you would
still check your needles every ten hours or so.
My reason for looking at the HAC is that I an planning a trip from coast to
coast in Canada. The plan is to traverse the whole Enchilada, from St.
John's harbour in the East to Victoria harbour in the West. In between there
is a little bump called the Rocky Mountains that I would like to be able to
traverse with altitude to spare.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:51 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Noel, You can still get artic sparrow kits too where the
> needle has a screw
> on it silver soldered on and you turn on knob for each carb.
> I have a friend with that on his Rotax and it works ok. I
> am not sure if
> it really worth the effort though unless you routinley fly
> from Sea level to
> over 7500 alot.
> To me it just something else to screw up. I can get away
> chnaing needles
> once in fall which I just did all the way rich and then
> revert back again in
> spring again.
>
> Keep it simple.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > High Altitude Compensator.... Basically it redirects some
> vacuum from the
> > intake and directs it to the float bowl to make the amount
> of fuel passing
> > through the main jet reduce with altitude. It allows you to fly at
> > greater
> > altitudes and you won't spend as much time lifting and dropping the
> > needles.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave G.
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:31 AM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G."
> <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >> >
> >> > I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a
> >> look at that it's
> >> > so
> >> > simple it's almost obscene.
> >> >
> >> > Noel
> >>
> >> Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that
represented the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any
tracers back then? Did the smoke actually follow the bullets like that?
Or was that merely "poetic license" taken by the graphics illustrators?
I questioned this the first time I saw the film, but not the second
time.
I was a student in film production at San Francisco State University
back in 1978, and we had our share of critics in the classes. According
to them, there never was a film worth watching. My Dad used to say
"Remember that the word 'critic' comes from the word 'critical' "
Almost every film ever made has some questionable element to it, but
that shouldn't deter us from enjoying it, and I enjoyed this film...and
will again probably. On my second viewing, I noticed the Eiffel Tower
way in the background in the dirigible scene...didn't notice this
during the first viewing.
Lynn
do not archive
On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 04:34 PM, Rexster wrote:
> I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it.
> Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could
> tell some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy
> all the work thatpeople put into the film. I was doing just that and
> never noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the
> top of an enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear)
> and the good guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along
> side. So what? I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I
> wonder how anybody that criticizes this excellent flying movie would
> handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be realistic either.
>
> I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving,
> gymnastics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic
> talent and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk
> and chew gum tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back
> and enjoy this show. It's fantastic!
>
> Rex in Michigan
>
> Noel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Aerobatics@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
>
> In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen
> "Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
> scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
> story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during
> some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact
> that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17s, in about 50 days is
> amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
>
> I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Generated effects
> was very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a B ....
> want to see a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they
> used real planes and models
>
> just an opinion!
>
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Propellers |
MessageNoel it a Borer prop and they are a must have for a super cub on
floats.
Same goes for Kitfox - We need a ultimate search for the best prop for
Kitfoxes.
I sure the 582 as I have one and they are probably the most intalled
engine in Kitfoxes.
Prop manufacturers should be happy to show off their product. I am not
looking for handouts but I have paid for every other prop I have.
If anyone wants it tested "un- biased" well let me know .
Dave
PS can we geta Borer prop for a Kitfox ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
I agree with every thing you have said here.... And I will usually
find something to disagree with, so this is a to me an event. :-)
I still find it amazing with this information, apparently reported to
Warp several times, they haven't changed their manuals to designate the
.75 station as the place to measure prop angles.
I would also like to strobe a Warp prop at Take off speed. I'm
willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that there is some flexing going on
as centripetal forces increase. Blade flex to decrease pitch with rpm,
as I understand it, occurs in the Boer prop used on SuperCub sea planes.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:11 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Noel,
I started this thread about the tips of the Warp blade.
Actually, I first reported it over 5 years ago and nobody ever came back
with a check of their own. First off, even if it's a true situation
that doesn't make it a bad prop. You noticed I said "IF". The beauty
of this List is the ability to see what's going on in the Kitfox world.
We have uncovered many problems in the last 10 years or so. Some were
very minor and some a whole lot bigger. I have a strong feeling this
tip thing is a minor problem. In the ideal world, all list members
owning a Warp would go to the airport on a lazy day and map out their
props and report back. If it turns out that many see the same situation
then we would have leverage to go to Warp and report our findings. They
might just have to relax their opinion on measuring at the tips.
Bottom line, I don't think Warp is at fault for making bad
blades. I do feel strongly that measuring at the tips is not the best
way to go. Lets face it, measuring at the 75% point can't be a safety
or dangerous method and as pointed out on this thread, the 75% point is
the hardest working point.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
So Warp is at fault here for producing at least six blades the are
not consistent.
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My Kitplanes Nov 2006, has a Robert Baslee of Airdrome Aeroplanes as
the builder. Also see Kitplanes August 2005...I can't find my copy to
verify this last date. That was the article called "Four planes, 52
days".
Gee, Bob, now I have to see the movie again to check for "N"
numbers....oh well...
Lynn
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 08:43 PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
> Was "fly-boys" the movie that Robert Beasley from the KCMO. area built
> some of the planes for and was filmed in England, or am I thinking of
> something else. If so those planes probably never had any N-numbers.
> I know he bought the planes back from the production co. after the
> filming was done. Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kirk hull
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
>
> I saw fly boys in osh in pre print ( still in digital format) and was
> wandering if they erased the N numbers from all of the airplanes( even
> the German planes ). We pointed it out to the director in the Q&A
> sessions.
>
>
>
<image.tiff>
>
>
> From:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf OfRexster
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
>
>
>
> I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it.
> Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could
> tell some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy
> all the work thatpeople put into the film. I was doing just that and
> never noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the
> top of an enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear)
> and the good guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along
> side. So what? I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I
> wonder how anybody that criticizes this excellent flying movie would
> handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be realistic either.
>
> I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving,
> gymnastics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic
> talent and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk
> and chew gum tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back
> and enjoy this show. It's fantastic!
>
> Rex in Michigan
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> OfAerobatics@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:57 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
>
> In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen
> "Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period
> scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love
> story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during
> some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact
> that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17s, in about 50 days is
> amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> I did to be frank was very disappointed Computer Generated effects
> was very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine... its a B ....
> want to see a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they
> used real planes and models
>
>
>
> just an opinion!
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jan,
Not familiar with the term F-blade. Is that new to Powerfin?
I fly regularly with a group that does long cross countrys together and lots
of high altitude and short field stuff in the back country of Idaho. Two of
the guys switched to Powerfin propellers about 3 or four years ago. One
switched from a GSC wood, and one from a Warp - pitched at the 75% station
incicentally.
Both guys had reduced cruise with the powerfin and this was determined by
the overall pace of the flight of six guys over three or so years of flying
in loose formation together. Pitching for optimum cruise and climb was a
challenge. The Powerfin climbed very well, but at the expense of top end
and the top end never equalled what they had before. I always liked it when
they were on their Powerfin props because I could wander off to see
something of interest and always had the top end to easily catch up. Not so
easy now - one went back to his GSC and now has the IVO and the other is
back to the Warp.
I have been flying behind a Warp 70 inch three blade and could always stay
in reasonably close performance range with the Powerfin in climb and miles
ahead in cruise. My Model IV is heavy - 700 lbs - but is very clean with
lots of fairings.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JC Propellerdesign" <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
MessageDave,
Why not call Stuart at Powerfin and ask if you can borrow a 68" 3 bladed
F-blade prop for testing?
Phone 1 (509) 924-7556 - Toll Free 1 (800) 581-8207
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Yes Don,
So I will trry to get some more accurate testing done and see. Now it
would be interesting to see what Warp has to say and the reasoning for their
approach to adjusting at the tip.
Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip. Once
thing I did not check was the tracking, although I should have . I will
go out to shop now and look and let you know soon.
Also as you can see from the movies we did last Weekend from the Trailer
park <snicker> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ this Kitfox is not
lacking in short field performance in my opinion. So what does that say
about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ? Any comments on a
better way to test ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At least,
a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If you had
pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at the .75
station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now. I think
that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine after
a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One tip
was out about 1 degree.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Is the Bing carburetor from the 912 adaptable to the two stroke Rotaxes. I
have never seen this brought up before, but the Bing has an altitude
compensating diaphragm and the carb is suposed to adjust mixture up to
10,000 ft., I believe.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: RE: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Using the HAC you would only use the most rich setting on your main
> needle.
> The rest of the leaning would be done with the HAC. Of course you would
> still check your needles every ten hours or so.
>
> My reason for looking at the HAC is that I an planning a trip from coast
> to
> coast in Canada. The plan is to traverse the whole Enchilada, from St.
> John's harbour in the East to Victoria harbour in the West. In between
> there
> is a little bump called the Rocky Mountains that I would like to be able
> to
> traverse with altitude to spare.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:51 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Noel, You can still get artic sparrow kits too where the
>> needle has a screw
>> on it silver soldered on and you turn on knob for each carb.
>> I have a friend with that on his Rotax and it works ok. I
>> am not sure if
>> it really worth the effort though unless you routinley fly
>> from Sea level to
>> over 7500 alot.
>> To me it just something else to screw up. I can get away
>> chnaing needles
>> once in fall which I just did all the way rich and then
>> revert back again in
>> spring again.
>>
>> Keep it simple.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> >
>> > High Altitude Compensator.... Basically it redirects some
>> vacuum from the
>> > intake and directs it to the float bowl to make the amount
>> of fuel passing
>> > through the main jet reduce with altitude. It allows you to fly at
>> > greater
>> > altitudes and you won't spend as much time lifting and dropping the
>> > needles.
>> >
>> > Noel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dave G.
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:31 AM
>> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G."
>> <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> >> >
>> >> > I've also been playing with the idea of an HAC. Have a
>> >> look at that it's
>> >> > so
>> >> > simple it's almost obscene.
>> >> >
>> >> > Noel
>> >>
>> >> Hi Noel, what's an HAC?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi
The model F is there largest blade, recommended to be 68" 3 blade on the
582 3:1
Interesting, I would have bet that it was faster but not did climb as
good as the Warp.
I think the Powerfin use Clark Y airfoil, and the Warp have RAF6 style.
GSC I don't know.
the difference is that RAF has the nose radii starting from the flat
bottom, Clark Y the nose radii is higher up.
RAF have better take off performance then Clark, but Clark have higher
efficiency.
But it all depends on blade twist, thickness, blade area ...
Do you know if they used same diameter on the Powerfin as the other and
what blade model it was?
Jan
Ps. I have no business with any propeller maker, just interested to get
the best out of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jan,
Not familiar with the term F-blade. Is that new to Powerfin?
I fly regularly with a group that does long cross countrys together
and lots
of high altitude and short field stuff in the back country of Idaho.
Two of
the guys switched to Powerfin propellers about 3 or four years ago.
One
switched from a GSC wood, and one from a Warp - pitched at the 75%
station
incicentally.
Both guys had reduced cruise with the powerfin and this was determined
by
the overall pace of the flight of six guys over three or so years of
flying
in loose formation together. Pitching for optimum cruise and climb
was a
challenge. The Powerfin climbed very well, but at the expense of top
end
and the top end never equalled what they had before. I always liked
it when
they were on their Powerfin props because I could wander off to see
something of interest and always had the top end to easily catch up.
Not so
easy now - one went back to his GSC and now has the IVO and the other
is
back to the Warp.
I have been flying behind a Warp 70 inch three blade and could always
stay
in reasonably close performance range with the Powerfin in climb and
miles
ahead in cruise. My Model IV is heavy - 700 lbs - but is very clean
with
lots of fairings.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JC Propellerdesign" <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
MessageDave,
Why not call Stuart at Powerfin and ask if you can borrow a 68" 3
bladed
F-blade prop for testing?
Phone 1 (509) 924-7556 - Toll Free 1 (800) 581-8207
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Yes Don,
So I will trry to get some more accurate testing done and see.
Now it
would be interesting to see what Warp has to say and the reasoning for
their
approach to adjusting at the tip.
Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip.
Once
thing I did not check was the tracking, although I should have . I
will
go out to shop now and look and let you know soon.
Also as you can see from the movies we did last Weekend from the
Trailer
park <snicker> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ this Kitfox is not
lacking in short field performance in my opinion. So what does that
say
about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ? Any comments on a
better way to test ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At
least,
a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If you
had
pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at the .75
station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now. I
think
that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine
after
a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub.
One tip
was out about 1 degree.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re:AUX. FUEL PUMP |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
HELLO: LIST
I NEED THE WAY TO INSTALL A BACKUP ELECTRIC FUEL PUMP ...
MY ENGINE "VERNER" HAVE A MECHANICAL ONE.....
REGARDS,
PEDRO
CLASSIC 1200 W/ VERNER ENGINE
PUERTO RICO
----- Original Message -----
From: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
==========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?ALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL...? |
SALUDOS AMIGOS:
ALGUNO DE USTEDES HABLA ESPA=D1OL......
PEDRO PEREZ
DE PUERTO RICO
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jan,
I went to the Powerfin site and think they were using the F blade. To
improve performance a bit, they cut some off the end of the prop. I don't
know how much but an inch comes to mind.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JC Propellerdesign" <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Hi
The model F is there largest blade, recommended to be 68" 3 blade on the 582
3:1
Interesting, I would have bet that it was faster but not did climb as good
as the Warp.
I think the Powerfin use Clark Y airfoil, and the Warp have RAF6 style. GSC
I don't know.
the difference is that RAF has the nose radii starting from the flat bottom,
Clark Y the nose radii is higher up.
RAF have better take off performance then Clark, but Clark have higher
efficiency.
But it all depends on blade twist, thickness, blade area ...
Do you know if they used same diameter on the Powerfin as the other and what
blade model it was?
Jan
Ps. I have no business with any propeller maker, just interested to get the
best out of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jan,
Not familiar with the term F-blade. Is that new to Powerfin?
I fly regularly with a group that does long cross countrys together and
lots
of high altitude and short field stuff in the back country of Idaho. Two
of
the guys switched to Powerfin propellers about 3 or four years ago. One
switched from a GSC wood, and one from a Warp - pitched at the 75% station
incicentally.
Both guys had reduced cruise with the powerfin and this was determined by
the overall pace of the flight of six guys over three or so years of
flying
in loose formation together. Pitching for optimum cruise and climb was a
challenge. The Powerfin climbed very well, but at the expense of top end
and the top end never equalled what they had before. I always liked it
when
they were on their Powerfin props because I could wander off to see
something of interest and always had the top end to easily catch up. Not
so
easy now - one went back to his GSC and now has the IVO and the other is
back to the Warp.
I have been flying behind a Warp 70 inch three blade and could always stay
in reasonably close performance range with the Powerfin in climb and miles
ahead in cruise. My Model IV is heavy - 700 lbs - but is very clean with
lots of fairings.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JC Propellerdesign" <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
MessageDave,
Why not call Stuart at Powerfin and ask if you can borrow a 68" 3 bladed
F-blade prop for testing?
Phone 1 (509) 924-7556 - Toll Free 1 (800) 581-8207
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Yes Don,
So I will trry to get some more accurate testing done and see. Now it
would be interesting to see what Warp has to say and the reasoning for
their
approach to adjusting at the tip.
Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to tip.
Once
thing I did not check was the tracking, although I should have . I
will
go out to shop now and look and let you know soon.
Also as you can see from the movies we did last Weekend from the Trailer
park <snicker> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ this Kitfox is not
lacking in short field performance in my opinion. So what does that say
about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ? Any comments on a
better way to test ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
That's either good or bad depends on how you look at it. At
least,
a point is starting to get made that the tips are suspicious. If you had
pitched at the tips you would have had that 1 degree error at the .75
station. Maybe I'll go back to Warp and see what they say now. I think
that is 3 or 4 of us that see a little error. I lost track.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Don, pretty well said there. I did change all three of mine
after
a flight at dawn.
I set hem all at the .75 mark 25.5" from center of hub. One
tip
was out about 1 degree.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re: Guy --- Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Hefferan" <hefferans@gmail.com>
I'll bet you'll find a problem with 2-stroke engine pulse vibration if someone
were to trry and adapt a 912 carb to a 582. I believe it would be rough on needle
seats or some other problem.
Rex
Colorado
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70354#70354
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Noel sez:
>Web brousers do not have a wrap feature. When a web page is written
>in HTML it is written with the number of pixels of a particular
>screen taken into account. The only time you will get a new line is
>when it is written into the HTML code.
All web browsers can and do wrap text. You can see this on many web
pages simply by resizing your browser window wider and narrower and
watching how the text reformats. HTML seldom includes hard line
breaks. Why? Because the page designer has no idea how many pixels
are available on a particular screen or window! It is possible to
write HTML this way but most designers avoid it for that very reason.
E-mail programs, on the other hand, are always monkeying with line
breaks. It's most likely that the overly-wide messages are the
result of some interaction between the line breaks inserted (or not)
by the e-mail application used by some of the message authors and the
software used by the Matronics list to generate the corresponding
HTML. These pages are not coded by hand, Matt would have no life at
all if he was trying to keep up with all of our drivel!
Mike G.
N728KF
Do not archive
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| Subject: | GSC numbers : Re Propellers |
MessageOk got about an hour in flying a GSC today so far .
Take off same distance approx 200 feet or so
Climb about the same 12 to 1300 fpm
Cruise about 2 mph slower at 86 mph now
Nearest station
Loc. Time (EDT) Cat. Vis. Wx. Sky Cover Wind Temp. Dew Pt. Altim.
Hum. D. Alt. Remarks
CYXU 12:00 PM VFR 15 sm Few 3000', Broken 4600' Calm 42.8=B0F
30.2=B0F 30.25" 61% -235' Cu1sc6; Sea level pressure 30.27" Hg
I think I can pitch a little coarser on the gsc about 1/4 degree more
and get the cruise the same .
Reason I say this is because the EGT are a tad higher than I had with
the WARP . And I repitched once already from 16 to 16.5 degrees on the
GSC measured at .69 % radii
Over all WARP and GSC are pretty close to be about the same
performance. Both totally acceptable.
Lowell - I did not try the 5/16" bolt in 8mm hole-- sorry I forgot.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
OK , just went out again and measured prop -- all 3 blades at 25.5
inches from centre of hub at 16 degrees
Measured at tip as follows 10 , 10.125 10.875
tracking of all three measured at tip within .125 inch at most
more like about 3/32s
Went for flight temp 37 F air dead calm every direction at under 200
agl flew 88 70 89.5 mph via gps in any direction at low altitude.
Did this for 20 mins. Very pretty when you see every chimney and
smoke stack with a vertical column of smoke going steady - straight up
........
Prop works well , GSC going to get tested next - hopefully today !!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
See below
>> Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to
tip.>>
I think that Warp chose the tips because it's a reference point for
them. They want to know what pitch you have for a particular
plane/engine when they provide service. If everybody uses the same
point (tips) they have a good reference base. It doesn't do them much
good to have a customer give them a pitch of 27 degrees and another give
them 15 degrees for the same plane/engine setup. Maybe, just maybe they
don't really realize that their tips "could" be off just a tad????
>>that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ?>>
Again, I think the blades are very uniform (in my case anyway) all
the way except the last 2". I think this is a very minor situation but
worth knowing about. When we adjust our props, we want to be exact as
possible. Right????
Don Smythe
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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MessageOk got about an hour in flying a GSC today so far .
Take off same distance approx 200 feet or so
Climb about the same 12 to 1300 fpm
Cruise about 2 mph slower at 86 mph now
Nearest station
Loc. Time (EDT) Cat. Vis. Wx. Sky Cover Wind Temp. Dew Pt. Altim.
Hum. D. Alt. Remarks
CYXU 12:00 PM VFR 15 sm Few 3000', Broken 4600' Calm 42.8=B0F
30.2=B0F 30.25" 61% -235' Cu1sc6; Sea level pressure 30.27" Hg
I think I can pitch a little coarser on the gsc about 1/4 degree more
and get the cruise the same .
Reason I say this is because the EGT are a tad higher than I had with
the WARP . And I repitched once already from 16 to 16.5 degrees on the
GSC measured at .69 % radii
Over all WARP and GSC are pretty close to be about the same
performance. Both totally acceptable.
Lowell - I did not try the 5/16" bolt in 8mm hole-- sorry I forgot.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
OK , just went out again and measured prop -- all 3 blades at 25.5
inches from centre of hub at 16 degrees
Measured at tip as follows 10 , 10.125 10.875
tracking of all three measured at tip within .125 inch at most
more like about 3/32s
Went for flight temp 37 F air dead calm every direction at under 200
agl flew 88 70 89.5 mph via gps in any direction at low altitude.
Did this for 20 mins. Very pretty when you see every chimney and
smoke stack with a vertical column of smoke going steady - straight up
........
Prop works well , GSC going to get tested next - hopefully today !!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
See below
>> Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to
tip.>>
I think that Warp chose the tips because it's a reference point for
them. They want to know what pitch you have for a particular
plane/engine when they provide service. If everybody uses the same
point (tips) they have a good reference base. It doesn't do them much
good to have a customer give them a pitch of 27 degrees and another give
them 15 degrees for the same plane/engine setup. Maybe, just maybe they
don't really realize that their tips "could" be off just a tad????
>>that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ?>>
Again, I think the blades are very uniform (in my case anyway) all
the way except the last 2". I think this is a very minor situation but
worth knowing about. When we adjust our props, we want to be exact as
possible. Right????
Don Smythe
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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MessageOk got about an hour in flying a GSC today so far .
Take off same distance approx 200 feet or so
Climb about the same 12 to 1300 fpm
Cruise about 2 mph slower at 86 mph now
Nearest station
Loc. Time (EDT) Cat. Vis. Wx. Sky Cover Wind Temp. Dew Pt. Altim.
Hum. D. Alt. Remarks
CYXU 12:00 PM VFR 15 sm Few 3000', Broken 4600' Calm 42.8=B0F
30.2=B0F 30.25" 61% -235' Cu1sc6; Sea level pressure 30.27" Hg
I think I can pitch a little coarser on the gsc about 1/4 degree more
and get the cruise the same .
Reason I say this is because the EGT are a tad higher than I had with
the WARP . And I repitched once already from 16 to 16.5 degrees on the
GSC measured at .69 % radii
Over all WARP and GSC are pretty close to be about the same
performance. Both totally acceptable.
Lowell - I did not try the 5/16" bolt in 8mm hole-- sorry I forgot.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
OK , just went out again and measured prop -- all 3 blades at 25.5
inches from centre of hub at 16 degrees
Measured at tip as follows 10 , 10.125 10.875
tracking of all three measured at tip within .125 inch at most
more like about 3/32s
Went for flight temp 37 F air dead calm every direction at under 200
agl flew 88 70 89.5 mph via gps in any direction at low altitude.
Did this for 20 mins. Very pretty when you see every chimney and
smoke stack with a vertical column of smoke going steady - straight up
........
Prop works well , GSC going to get tested next - hopefully today !!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re Propellers
Dave,
See below
>> Maybe WARP thinks their blades are 100 % uniform from root to
tip.>>
I think that Warp chose the tips because it's a reference point for
them. They want to know what pitch you have for a particular
plane/engine when they provide service. If everybody uses the same
point (tips) they have a good reference base. It doesn't do them much
good to have a customer give them a pitch of 27 degrees and another give
them 15 degrees for the same plane/engine setup. Maybe, just maybe they
don't really realize that their tips "could" be off just a tad????
>>that say about the Warp prop that seem to not be uniform ?>>
Again, I think the blades are very uniform (in my case anyway) all
the way except the last 2". I think this is a very minor situation but
worth knowing about. When we adjust our props, we want to be exact as
possible. Right????
Don Smythe
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re:AUX. FUEL PUMP |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Pedro, I have a Facet pump mounted just down from the header tank. They
come in a couple of pressure ranges depending on carburetor needs. They
also will pass fuel through when not on so don't need complex plumbing for
installation.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:AUX. FUEL PUMP
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
>
> HELLO: LIST
>
> I NEED THE WAY TO INSTALL A BACKUP ELECTRIC FUEL PUMP ...
> MY ENGINE "VERNER" HAVE A MECHANICAL ONE.....
>
> REGARDS,
> PEDRO CLASSIC 1200 W/ VERNER ENGINE
> PUERTO RICO
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:21 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: BRS FOR MY KITFOX!!!!!
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
> ==========================================================
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Tony,
I can speak for the 1200 fpm rate of climb. I built a model 7 with
100 horse Rotax and with the area of the country where I fly from being
anywhere from to 800 to 1200 msl. That rate of climb is certainly attainable
and I have the basic GSC wood prop. It may vary to on how you have it
pitched. I lost a little climb performance when I repitched the prop for
cruise but it will still leave the runway after a 300 to 400 ft role and
climb like a homesick angle, I just love it. As for the quick build wings,
if you're a person that enjoys the building experience you can save some
money but for me the extra money was worth it. They can build the wings with
there jigs at the factory and when you get them they look like a work of
art, very will done. As for durability I have made some not so graceful
landings in mine and I'm still amazed at how durable that spring aluminum
gear is. It is stout. Good luck on your decision.
Roger Mac
S7/912uls
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Partain
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox vs. Cub
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain" <tpartain@bendcable.com>
Hello everyone after building my RV7 and starting a RV10, midway through the
RV10 tail kit I decided that I had already done enough metal work. So I sold
the 10 tail kit. My other choice was a Cub, but after researching the Cub
kits they were either very expensive or expensive and incomplete. And the
plans for a Cub are non existent. The Kitfox kept coming back to the front
of the list. I looked at the Just Aircraft Highlander but support of the
Kitfox group seem to be more prevalent. The side by side seating is a plus
and having 150 lbs of baggage capacity is a plus also.
So I have a few question about performance of the Super Sport with a 100 hp
Rotax.
Is the advertised rate of climb accurate for the Super Sport? The advertised
rate is 1200 fpm.
Is the stall speed accurate at 41 mph?
How many people are actually using this aircraft for back country airstrips?
I plan on using the plane on strips that a mainly grass and gravel strips.
Nothing extreme.
Does this design have the durability to handle this type of use?
Quick Build wings, is it worth the extra $1295 for the QB option?
I would like to hear your thoughts on these items.
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
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Claro que s=ED. Te envi=E9 una foto de mi instalaci=F3n del "Auxiliary Ele
ctric Fuel Pump".=0A=0ASaludos!=0A=0AJos=E9=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
----=0AFrom: PEDRO PEREZ <5324@PRTC.NET>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:33:24 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List:ALGUIEN Q
UE HABLE ESPA=D1OL...=0A=0A=0ASALUDOS AMIGOS:=0A =0AALGUNO DE USTEDES HABLA
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Ethanol solution |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
10/24/06 news flash - the Daily Telegraph
- Bungie powered 20 Foot wingspan plane with goal of 3000 ft - traveled 6 feet
backwards in first (and only) flight attempt.
The plane may become part of an exhibition about the importance of failure as an
essential process of development.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/24/giant_model_plane/
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Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: Origin of Cockpit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 26, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> My understanding is the commander of the deck crew is the third mate or
> Boatswain. What do you think about that... Is the Cox and the
> boatswain the same
> position in different ships??
I have no idea, Noel; most of my sailing has been ... single-handed. :-)
Mind you, it could be, since "cox" is a synonym of "boat." Third mate
is, indeed, what is used today in the merchant navy.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 27, 2006, at 5:33 PM, PEDRO PEREZ wrote:
> ALGUNO DE USTEDES HABLA ESPAOL......
Pues si, hay un otro puerto ricano que se llama Jose en esta lista,
Pedro.
Saludos de Noruega,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Ethanol solution |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sounds like the guy in the yellow safety jacket wound the rubber band
backwards, eh?
Lynn
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On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 02:07 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
> <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> 10/24/06 news flash - the Daily Telegraph
>
> - Bungie powered 20 Foot wingspan plane with goal of 3000 ft -
> traveled 6 feet backwards in first (and only) flight attempt.
>
> The plane may become part of an exhibition about the importance of
> failure as an essential process of development.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/24/giant_model_plane/
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70383#70383
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that represented
the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any tracers back then?
I prefer to sit back and enjoy... or if you go to a move to critique it - OK too.
I don't want to be critical of a critic... so I guess those who enjoy can
do that.... those who are critical of the movie need to find other pleasures.
(probably most would go out and fire up their Kitfox - I don't think there are
critics in this area.)
I gathered that Flyboys was a result of huge amounts of research and reverance
for WW-1 flyers... so assume it was fairly close to factual.
Tracers appear to be part of WW-1.
WW-1 Fact seekers.. (if you are willing to rely on MGM for facts)
http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf
Other searching confirms tracers in WW-1.
How about being a test pilot while propeller/gun sync was being worked out.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Michel,
You have some very amazing country over there! My brother lived in Norway for
a couple of years and his photos are incredible! Thanks for sharing.
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: GSC numbers : Re Propellers |
MessageDave,
Without repitching, what RPM do you get in level flight with "full
throttle"?
Don Smythe
I think I can pitch a little coarser on the gsc about 1/4 degree more
and get the cruise the same .
Reason I say this is because the EGT are a tad higher than I had with
the WARP . And I repitched once already from 16 to 16.5 degrees on the
GSC measured at .69 % radii
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:14 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
>Using the HAC you would only use the most rich setting on your main needle.
>The rest of the leaning would be done with the HAC. Of course you would
>still check your needles every ten hours or so.
I'm using the HACman and like it. You only get about 80F of EGT variation,
though.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Ethanol solution |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Lynn sez >> Sounds like the guy in the yellow safety jacket wound the rubber band
backwards, eh?
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
They had much worse! There even came a time when they (both sides) were
forbidden to use certain types of ammunition because it was looked at as
being too damaging to human flesh.
(Exploding bullets, incinerates bullets). There has even been some
controversy that some of the Great Aces of the war were using these
"forbidden" bullets to help increase their scores.
Dave
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Rabbers
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that
represented the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any tracers
back then?
I prefer to sit back and enjoy... or if you go to a move to critique it -
OK too. I don't want to be critical of a critic... so I guess those who
enjoy can do that.... those who are critical of the movie need to find other
pleasures. (probably most would go out and fire up their Kitfox - I don't
think there are critics in this area.)
I gathered that Flyboys was a result of huge amounts of research and
reverance for WW-1 flyers... so assume it was fairly close to factual.
Tracers appear to be part of WW-1.
WW-1 Fact seekers.. (if you are willing to rely on MGM for facts)
http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf
Other searching confirms tracers in WW-1.
How about being a test pilot while propeller/gun sync was being worked out.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
Rolland Garros (of the French Open) well he was a French Pilot; Bolted
steel wedges to his propeller, mounted a Hotchkiss machine gun (army issue)
in front of him and went up and promptly shot down 2 German aircraft. His
aircraft was captured (engine failure) within the month, and I think was
taken over to Fokker, and his engineers worked out the sync mech. Faulty
ammo still would remove propeller blades from time to time.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Rabbers
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that
represented the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any tracers
back then?
I prefer to sit back and enjoy... or if you go to a move to critique it -
OK too. I don't want to be critical of a critic... so I guess those who
enjoy can do that.... those who are critical of the movie need to find other
pleasures. (probably most would go out and fire up their Kitfox - I don't
think there are critics in this area.)
I gathered that Flyboys was a result of huge amounts of research and
reverance for WW-1 flyers... so assume it was fairly close to factual.
Tracers appear to be part of WW-1.
WW-1 Fact seekers.. (if you are willing to rely on MGM for facts)
http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf
Other searching confirms tracers in WW-1.
How about being a test pilot while propeller/gun sync was being worked out.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Hub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: Guy --- Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Hub
> My reason for looking at the HAC is that I an planning a trip from coast
> to
> coast in Canada. The plan is to traverse the whole Enchilada, from St.
> John's harbour in the East to Victoria harbour in the West. In between
> there
> is a little bump called the Rocky Mountains that I would like to be able
> to
> traverse with altitude to spare.
>
That's going to be quite a challenge on floats Noel.
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kitfox-List=3A_ALGUIEN_QUE_HABLE_ESPA=D1OL=2E=2E=2E? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
Pedro is a long time friend of mine. Seems like his Kitfox is back in business
after a crash a couple of years ago. Since my ex-Kitfox is being restored, Pedro's
is only airwoth Kitfox in Puerto Rico at this time.
Saludos!
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:29:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAOL...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 27, 2006, at 5:33 PM, PEDRO PEREZ wrote:
> ALGUNO DE USTEDES HABLA ESPAOL......
Pues si, hay un otro puerto ricano que se llama Jose en esta lista,
Pedro.
Saludos de Noruega,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Darin:
Have you had the opportunity to see pictures posted by Michel? Very beautiful
country is Norway.
Jose
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From: darinh <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: OFF TOPIC. Today's flight
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Michel,
You have some very amazing country over there! My brother lived in Norway for
a couple of years and his photos are incredible! Thanks for sharing.
Darin
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@comcast.net>
Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time for a
brief explanation of how the UTC came to be.
Also http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html for more information on
how the time is determined.
Lyle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
As a ham whose interest in radio goes back almost forty years ( only
licensed for 22 Yr) I like the term Z. As in 1400 Hr Z. Or 1400hr.
Zulu.
It was also known as GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). From the longitude
going
through Greenwich, England as 0Hr. The fall of the British Empire
finished
that.
Who out there knows what the UTC really stands for?? I'm just guessing
maybe Universal Time Coordinate. T would be interested in knowing
though.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:53 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC: The danger of languages
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> What bothers me about the UTC thing is that it stands for (I've been
> told, and I have read) Coordinated Universal Time. If so, why
> is it not
> abbreviated CTU?
> Aviation on a whole has so darn many of these contractions
> and acronyms
> and abbreviations, that it's hard to remember them all, and when they
> throw one like this at us, with the letters out of sequence,
> it's hard
> for me to recall what it stands for because it doesn't
> "compute" so to
> speak. And how do they get Zulu out of all this?
>
> Interestingly enough, this is back ON topic, dealing with aviation as
> it does. : ) And I might add, Michel, that I admire and envy anybody
> that has mastered more than one language, and that puts you
> up several
> rungs on the proverbial ladder.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2006, at 08:47 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> >> <SNIP> "is to land almost anywhere but straight ahead."
> >
> > Ha ha ha! Good one, Lynn! What I should have written was:
> "...to land
> > almost anywhere but make sure it is straight ahead."
> Reading again my
> > sentence I see how it turned out to be the exact opposite.
> That's the
> > fun of speaking languages without really mastering them.
> >
> > Many years ago, when I passed my ham license here in Norway, still
> > much influenced by my native French, I was pretty sure that the
> > explanation of UTC in our book was wrong. Arguing with
> another ham, he
> > said: No it's correct. All my experience as an
> astro-nagigator told me
> > it was the opposite. The problem was in the Norwegian
> wording of the
> > "ahead" or "behind" the clock. It was the way I interpreted a
> > Norwegian sentence that was wrong.
> >
> > Here is another famous language pitfall in French: During the 100
> > years war between the French and the Brits, a French general is
> > supposed to have said:
> > "Messieurs les anglais, tirez les premiers!" (Sires
> Englishmen, fire
> > first!)
> >
> > This has been used to demonstrate the almost absurd "polite
> gentlemen"
> > wars of the past. In reality, the original text says:
> >
> > "Messieurs, les anglais; tirez les premiers!" (Sires, the
> Englishmen;
> > fire first!)
> > Which is exactly the opposite. A tiny comma can make a big
> difference!
> > :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Pedro
Mira yo instale una bonba auxiliary en mi Vixen , la instale debajo de
mi
asiento, despu=E9s del header tank, la marca facet. Y nunca la uso
Francisco
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] En nombre de Jose M.
Toro
Enviado el: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:06 PM
Para: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Asunto: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List:ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPA=D1OL...
Claro que s=ED. Te envi=E9 una foto de mi instalaci=F3n del "Auxiliary
Electric
Fuel Pump".
Saludos!
Jos=E9
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| Subject: | Re: GSC numbers : Re Propellers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Well Don first run at 16 degree I was getting a bit over 6250 rpm static.
WOT 7050 to 7100
Added 1/2 degree and still about 6150 to 6200 static and 6950 wot .
I just flew to 1.5 hours horsing around and it seems not bad really.
Decent performance all round but I think another 1/2 degree would do it.
But we got colder wx coming and snow soon plus my plugs at about 60 hours
and I have to pull cowl off soon so I think I reptich then again. Who
know I might repitch tomorrow.
Also if you got multiple mails from me today, my outlook express is
sending everyone extra mails for some reason ( maybe early xmas gifts ? )
and I might have to do a format of it soon. So if I don't rely to quick
you will know I melted this pc. :)
Dave
PS I am sending this from my webmail so it should just arrive once : )
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC numbers : Re Propellers
Dave,
Without repitching, what RPM do you get in level flight with "full
throttle"?
Don Smythe
I think I can pitch a little coarser on the gsc about 1/4 degree more and
get the cruise the same .
Reason I say this is because the EGT are a tad higher than I had with the
WARP . And I repitched once already from 16 to 16.5 degrees on the GSC
measured at .69 % radii
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
you can get a built Highlander with minamum IFR ( not legal IFR) for
$65,000 malcolm
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I talked to a guy that was interested in a avid catalina for sale. are you
out thear? contact me off list malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
Hey Tony,
Welcome to the Kitfox gang. You may remember the Kitfox you delivered in Mesa
AZ last January...that was mine. It is going well, but slower than I like. If
I remember right I think you said you finished your RV-7 in 6 months? With that
speed, it may take you 3-4 months to do a Kitfox...especially if you get the
QB wings.
I can't give you Super Sport specs as I'm building a IV, however, the guys I
have flown with in IV's, and VII's have the Rotax 912s and they do climb out at
1200 ft/min and then some. Here in the desert, climbout was what I was concerned
with. After my first flight (which was in July of 05) I was sold. With two
of us at close to 400 lbs. That 100 HP pulled us up like we weren't there.
If you choose to go Kitfox, talk to John McBean about the in-flight adjustable
IVO Prop. You will find nothing better.
As for durability, these planes are great for back country strips. Get the Grove
Spring gear and you will be sitting pretty. I can't say exactly what the stall
speed average is for the Sport, however, this is the area of stall that the
IV's enjoy.
Good Luck with your decision,
Dan Billingsley
www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
Tony Partain <tpartain@bendcable.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain"
Hello everyone after building my RV7 and starting a RV10, midway through the RV10
tail kit I decided that I had already done enough metal work. So I sold the
10 tail kit. My other choice was a Cub, but after researching the Cub kits they
were either very expensive or expensive and incomplete. And the plans for a
Cub are non existent. The Kitfox kept coming back to the front of the list. I
looked at the Just Aircraft Highlander but support of the Kitfox group seem to
be more prevalent. The side by side seating is a plus and having 150 lbs of
baggage capacity is a plus also.
So I have a few question about performance of the Super Sport with a 100 hp Rotax.
Is the advertised rate of climb accurate for the Super Sport? The advertised rate
is 1200 fpm.
Is the stall speed accurate at 41 mph?
How many people are actually using this aircraft for back country airstrips? I
plan on using the plane on strips that a mainly grass and gravel strips. Nothing
extreme.
Does this design have the durability to handle this type of use?
Quick Build wings, is it worth the extra $1295 for the QB option?
I would like to hear your thoughts on these items.
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70257#70257
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain" <tpartain@bendcable.com>
Gentleman thanks for the replies. I am really looking forward to building another
plane, a tube and fabric plane this time! My initial thoughs were to us a
traditional engine, but the Rotax seems to be the engine of choice. It also
sounds like the factory numbers are close.
One other question about the builders manual, the Vans manual is pretty good for
the RV 7 8 9, but it's fantastic for the 10. How does the Kitfox manual stack
up?
I sound like I will be making a trip to Idaho as soon as John returns from Copperstate.
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
http://www.vansairforce.net/Graphics/PartainTruckingCo.htm
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70482#70482
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I hope you haven't overlooked the Jabiru line of engines....2200 4-cyl
or 3300 6-cyl...all air-cooled. Rotax may LOOK like the engine of
choice, but for a long time it was the ONLY choice. Do yourself a favor
and have a look. I'm VERY satisfied with mine after 180 hours...
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
do not archive
On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Tony Partain wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain"
> <tpartain@bendcable.com>
>
> Gentleman thanks for the replies. I am really looking forward to
> building another plane, a tube and fabric plane this time! My initial
> thoughs were to us a traditional engine, but the Rotax seems to be the
> engine of choice. It also sounds like the factory numbers are close.
>
> One other question about the builders manual, the Vans manual is
> pretty good for the RV 7 8 9, but it's fantastic for the 10. How does
> the Kitfox manual stack up?
>
> I sound like I will be making a trip to Idaho as soon as John returns
> from Copperstate.
>
> --------
> Tony Partain
> Partain Transport Company
> Bend Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: HANDHELD COMM. PROBLEMS///// |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "A Smith" <kitfox@ida.net>
I am sorry, i missed the origional post. So am jumping in the middle. You
have to determine if it is elec. generated noise from the motor or noise
from the external. Try using the radio as a handheld only, no external any
thing and go from there. I use an A5 in my Fox and it works great. It is
powered from the 12 v system power and with an external antana. Is the noise
also from the mics or the radio.
Albert Smith
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Tony,
I am building a Classic IV and did not choose the
quick build wing option. It took me about 100 hours to
assemble both wings to the where they were identical
to the quick build wings that came in a Series 5
Kitfox kit. I had more time than money and enjoyed
putting them together. Plus, I figured I saved about
$12/buiding hour!
Grant Fluent
--- Tony Partain <tpartain@bendcable.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain"
> <tpartain@bendcable.com>
>
> Hello everyone after building my RV7 and starting a
> RV10, midway through the RV10 tail kit I decided
> that I had already done enough metal work. So I sold
> the 10 tail kit. My other choice was a Cub, but
> after researching the Cub kits they were either very
> expensive or expensive and incomplete. And the plans
> for a Cub are non existent. The Kitfox kept coming
> back to the front of the list. I looked at the Just
> Aircraft Highlander but support of the Kitfox group
> seem to be more prevalent. The side by side seating
> is a plus and having 150 lbs of baggage capacity is
> a plus also.
>
> So I have a few question about performance of the
> Super Sport with a 100 hp Rotax.
>
> Is the advertised rate of climb accurate for the
> Super Sport? The advertised rate is 1200 fpm.
>
> Is the stall speed accurate at 41 mph?
>
> How many people are actually using this aircraft for
> back country airstrips? I plan on using the plane on
> strips that a mainly grass and gravel strips.
> Nothing extreme.
>
> Does this design have the durability to handle this
> type of use?
>
> Quick Build wings, is it worth the extra $1295 for
> the QB option?
>
> I would like to hear your thoughts on these items.
>
> --------
> Tony Partain
> Partain Transport Company
> Bend Oregon
>
> RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70257#70257
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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Time: 11:13:47 AM PST US
From: Kaufjm@AOL.COM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Electrical question
I am having a problem with my 912ULS running rough. I've been every
where,
checked for broken wires on my ignition modules, coils everything I can
think
of. I've been through the carbs as well. I did find something on my
ignition
switch that was supplied with the engine kit. It's the A-510-2 keyed
left-right-starter switch. There is a jumper that's on terminal 1.
Going back
over
the instructions it says jumper used with impulse coupling. I assume
that is
what the 912 has... The other thing is there is no ground wire to the
switch
as indicated by the instructions, Could this cause a problem?
Thanks!
I just fixed this exact same problem in my mates KR2 with a Revmaster VW
motor and the A-510 ignition switch. The fault came back to the switch.
I happened to have a new one I was not using at the time and we swapped
it over.All the problems dissapeared. So I pulled the old switch apart
to figure out why. On the inside/backside of the terminal plate there
was a heavy carbon track. I meant to measure this first but forgot and
started to clean it. I wish I had measured it because it seemed strange
this was causing the problem. Anyway I did measure across the terminals
after cleaning and there was no leakage so I think the switch would be
OK now but my mate prefered not to change it back. I think if you remove
the two screws holding the plate on and clean it and the little dimpled
contacts that wipe across the terminals you might well solve your
problem. Watch the springs under the triangular contacts.
Now a word about that carbon track. I think it may have been partly
made up by some lubricant used. It is good idea to use something after
cleaning. I just usted Clean and Lube spray and I figure this would be
OK. We don't actually know though because as I said we didn't reuse this
switch at this point in time, instead it is my mates spares box.
I hope this solves your problem.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox vs. Cub |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 27, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> I hope you haven't overlooked the Jabiru line of engines....2200 4-cyl
> or 3300 6-cyl...all air-cooled. Rotax may LOOK like the engine of
> choice, but for a long time it was the ONLY choice. Do yourself a
> favor and have a look. I'm VERY satisfied with mine after 180 hours...
So am I, after 160 hours. Like all air-cooled engines, the Jabiru
requires a cowling modification that creates the proper ventilation
but, once that is done, the engine is very reliable and smooth running.
Those who have had problems with the Jabiru are those who think they
know better than the manufacturers and modify the original
installation. That's cool, after all we are talking about experimental
aviation. But then, don't blame the manufacturer. If you install a
Jabiru as recommended, with the original airbox and oil cooler, using a
recommended propeller, you are certain to have many hours of
trouble-free flying pleasure. The TBO is 2,000 hours with a cylinder
top overhauling at 1,000.
Cheers,
Michel
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