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1. 02:17 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Dave G.)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (john perry)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Dave G.)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (dave)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (akflyer)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Dave G.)
7. 09:28 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Noel Loveys)
8. 12:20 PM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (akflyer)
9. 01:27 PM - Re: Kitfox history (Michael Gibbs)
10. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Don Smythe)
11. 04:00 PM - Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... (Matt Dralle)
12. 06:04 PM - Re: Kitfox history (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
13. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
14. 09:57 PM - Flaperon support on turtle deck (rudderdancer)
15. 10:57 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Don Pearsall)
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to that
engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit and
break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:37 AM
> every part for the 582 crank is available its just finding them the hard
> part . the 582 mod 90 is easy to find parts for . The 582 blue head still
> looking to find the rods and needle bearings for crank end . Correct me
> someone but if I am not mistaken the 582 blue head crank is the same as
> the 618 crank ?.
>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Dave,
Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod 90 ?. Or
another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head engine ?.
JP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to that
> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit and
> break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they changed them and
do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a crank assembley. I've
seen this in print several times and it is repeated in a service video I
have. I believe the change was before the mod 99 but again, I'm no expert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>
> Dave,
> Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod 90 ?.
> Or another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head engine ?.
>
> JP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to that
>> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit
>> and break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and get new crank at
300 hours.
No worries or failures to report of yet.
I leave the trials and errors up to the experts.
saving 500 to 1000 $ is good sense until you sepnd more on repairs.
I saw a guy a month ago same thing - refused to listen and now he needs one
new wing plus repairs to fuselage and recovering.
Yah good way to save a few dollars. And I almost always get a kick out of
the AP or AME rebuilds on Rotax engine ( other than one certified on Rotax)
Just casue they a aircraft mechanic does not mean it will work .
To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and will most likely
be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in Alberta.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they changed them
> and do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a crank assembley.
> I've seen this in print several times and it is repeated in a service
> video I have. I believe the change was before the mod 99 but again, I'm no
> expert.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>
>> Dave,
>> Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod 90 ?.
>> Or another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head engine ?.
>>
>> JP
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>
>>> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to that
>>> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit
>>> and break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
dumb......you told me to....
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70906#70906
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Yes, CPS is in the states, what does that have to do with their expertise? I
think many of those asking are also in the U.S.
BTW, I agree, following the recommended service program is probably much
safer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and get new crank
> at 300 hours.
> No worries or failures to report of yet.
>
> To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and will most
> likely be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in
> Alberta.
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Certified engines have manuals that are very in depth for every procedure
that is to be done on the engine. As far as I know there is no such manual
available to non-Rotax technicians. The local Ski-Doo shop will probably be
as good as a certified AME or A&P on the two stroke.
I have had dealings with Bob Robertson and I'm not the slightest bit shy
about recommending him to any one with a two stroke Rotax. These engines
are about as far divorced from the four stroke Lycs and Conis as possible
and still have pistons. They are really specialist engines and require a
specialist approach to repair.
Noel
AME intern
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and
> get new crank at
> 300 hours.
> No worries or failures to report of yet.
>
> I leave the trials and errors up to the experts.
>
> saving 500 to 1000 $ is good sense until you sepnd more on repairs.
> I saw a guy a month ago same thing - refused to listen and
> now he needs one
> new wing plus repairs to fuselage and recovering.
> Yah good way to save a few dollars. And I almost always get
> a kick out of
> the AP or AME rebuilds on Rotax engine ( other than one
> certified on Rotax)
> Just casue they a aircraft mechanic does not mean it will work .
>
> To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and
> will most likely
> be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in Alberta.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >
> > You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they
> changed them
> > and do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a
> crank assembley.
> > I've seen this in print several times and it is repeated in
> a service
> > video I have. I believe the change was before the mod 99
> but again, I'm no
> > expert.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry"
> <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >> Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old
> style mod 90 ?.
> >> Or another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head
> engine ?.
> >>
> >> JP
> >>
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G."
> <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >>>
> >>> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are
> unique to that
> >>> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will
> apparently hit
> >>> and break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
how can you lend any credibility to the "recomended service program" that varies
by what country you are in ???? Every where else in the world the TBO on the
crank is 600 hrs, but in the US we must do something terrible to our engines
as we can only get half that out of them... please....The recomended TBO is based
on a half life. After the 600 hrs things start to get dicy so to remain
ultra conservative in our sue happy country, they say to replace at 300...this
is to cover the manufactures butt not ours...
by all means if it makes you feel better replace at 300....
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70959#70959
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox history |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Frank sez:
>...I wonder why no mention is made of Dan Denny's prior relationship
>with the Avid Flyer Co....That Dean Wilson was the designer of the
>Avid which the Kitfox was copied after.
The Kitfox was not copied from the Avid Flyer, the original "Avid
Flyer" is the ancestor of both aircraft lines. Denny and Wilson
produced the airplane but later went their separate ways. What we
know today as the Avid Flyer and the Kitfox line are both direct
descendents of that very first "Avid Flyer" (which, by the way, was a
nose-wheeled airplane that did not have a round cowling :-).
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Just to help out your point. I overhauled my 582 at 300 hours (including
crank). I was chasing a problem at the time and that was the reason for the
overhaul. Turned out, the problem was not even in the engine (another
story). My old 300 hour crank showed no wear what-so-ever. As a matter of
fact, the engines speced out in-spec. Did not need an overhaul......
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
life. After the 600 hrs things start to get dicy so to remain ultra
conservative in our sue happy country, they say to replace at 300...this is
to cover the manufactures butt not
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| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
able to finally get them to lift the block about 3pm PST 10/29/2006 and it appears
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox history |
this catalina could be had for a lot less than a builder would have in to
one do you get the seaplain matronics list malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
Bravo leny 600 is the norm every place els it makes me sick to see a
pile of cranks at LEAF with the rod's bent in a vice so no one can re use
them then they are sent out local and sold for scrap some less than 300 hr.
because of the 5 year rule you send a motor to them they don't tell you they
wont rebuild it if it has 5 years on it till it is on the bench then they
say they will send it back to you with a huge bill for the tear down. I took
that course 3 times mal do not archive
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| Subject: | Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Hello all,
I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items I want
to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the bearing support
on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making the flaperons
clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently happening.
I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance for your
help.
Jack
jhenryhall@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
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| Subject: | Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hello Jack,
Welcome to the Kitfox list. By all means attach a photo so we can see what
the problem is. How hard do the flaperons hit the turtledeck? Enough to
damage either one?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rudderdancer
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Hello all,
I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items I
want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the bearing
support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making
the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
happening.
I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance
for your help.
Jack
jhenryhall@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
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