Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:20 AM - OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:47 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (Trey and Connie Moran)
3. 01:16 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (JC Propellerdesign)
4. 03:44 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (Fox5flyer)
5. 03:56 AM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (dave)
6. 04:23 AM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Bradley M Webb)
7. 04:42 AM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Jerry Liles)
8. 05:32 AM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Dee Young)
9. 05:44 AM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (dave)
10. 07:02 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (akflyer)
11. 07:16 AM - 582 overhaul (Larry Martin)
12. 08:45 AM - NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
13. 08:53 AM - Landing Practices (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
14. 09:26 AM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (wingsdown)
15. 09:32 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Bob Robertson)
16. 09:46 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (akflyer)
17. 09:57 AM - Re: 582 overhaul (Bob Robertson)
18. 09:59 AM - Re: Landing Practices (JC Propellerdesign)
19. 10:13 AM - Re: Landing Practices (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
20. 10:23 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (kurt schrader)
21. 10:24 AM - Re: Kitfox history (Paul Seehafer)
22. 10:42 AM - Re: 582 overhaul (Larry Martin)
23. 10:56 AM - Re: Landing Practices (dave)
24. 10:59 AM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (Margaret Hastedt)
25. 11:09 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (clemwehner)
26. 11:13 AM - Somethiing of Interest! (MA Stanard)
27. 11:28 AM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
28. 11:30 AM - Re: Landing Practices (wingnut)
29. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: 582 overhaul I love the fact too good job (Aerobatics@aol.com)
30. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (JC Propellerdesign)
31. 12:33 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/29/06 (Tew, Stan)
32. 12:35 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Lynn Matteson)
33. 12:45 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Lowell Fitt)
34. 12:48 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (dave)
35. 12:55 PM - Re: Landing Practices (dave)
36. 12:58 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
37. 01:10 PM - NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (Fox5flyer)
38. 02:06 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
39. 02:08 PM - Re: Landing Practices (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
40. 02:21 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (Peter Graichen)
41. 02:21 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Marco Menezes)
42. 02:31 PM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (Michel Verheughe)
43. 02:44 PM - Emailing: Breather-Overflow 003 (Small).jpg (Peter Graichen)
44. 02:59 PM - Re: Somethiing of Interest! (Fox5flyer)
45. 03:00 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (wingsdown)
46. 03:24 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Guy Buchanan)
47. 03:35 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (rudderdancer)
48. 03:53 PM - Re: Landing Practices...the "gap"... (Lynn Matteson)
49. 04:02 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (Lynn Matteson)
50. 04:04 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Lowell Fitt)
51. 04:45 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (Lowell Fitt)
52. 04:56 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (wingsdown)
53. 05:00 PM - Re: Landing Practices (dave)
54. 05:20 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (dave)
55. 05:47 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
56. 06:19 PM - Re: Landing Practices (GENTRYLL@AOL.COM)
57. 06:26 PM - Re: Landing Practices (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
58. 07:32 PM - Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks (kurt schrader)
59. 07:43 PM - Re: Landing Practices (kurt schrader)
60. 08:18 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Guy Buchanan)
61. 08:18 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Guy Buchanan)
62. 08:18 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Guy Buchanan)
63. 08:31 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Lowell Fitt)
64. 08:53 PM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (kurt schrader)
65. 09:29 PM - Re: Landing Practices (kurt schrader)
66. 11:51 PM - Re: Landing Practices (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
Hello friends,
Sorry for this off-topic question but ... knowing that you are highly experienced
pilots, your opinion matters to me.
Yesterday, I was flying my Kitfox in formation with another plane. As we flew back
home, I called the nearby tower and presented myself as "Lima Lima November
in formation." This is what I have always done it and never got a comment.
But, yesterday, the tower answered: "Please, avoid saying 'in formation,' it sounds
too much like 'information'! "
... Ok. But what should I be saying then?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
Michel,
I think what they want to hear is "Lima Lima November, flight of
two......"
Trey Moran
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question
Hello friends,
Sorry for this off-topic question but ... knowing that you are highly
experienced pilots, your opinion matters to me.
Yesterday, I was flying my Kitfox in formation with another plane. As
we flew back home, I called the nearby tower and presented myself as
"Lima Lima November in formation." This is what I have always done it
and never got a comment.
But, yesterday, the tower answered: "Please, avoid saying 'in
formation,' it sounds too much like 'information'! "
... Ok. But what should I be saying then?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
With formation ?
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question
Hello friends,
Sorry for this off-topic question but ... knowing that you are highly
experienced pilots, your opinion matters to me.
Yesterday, I was flying my Kitfox in formation with another plane. As
we flew back home, I called the nearby tower and presented myself as
"Lima Lima November in formation." This is what I have always done it
and never got a comment.
But, yesterday, the tower answered: "Please, avoid saying 'in
formation,' it sounds too much like 'information'! "
... Ok. But what should I be saying then?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
"Flight of two"
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question
> Hello friends,
> Sorry for this off-topic question but ... knowing that you are highly
experienced pilots, your opinion matters to me.
>
> Yesterday, I was flying my Kitfox in formation with another plane. As we
flew back home, I called the nearby tower and presented myself as "Lima Lima
November in formation." This is what I have always done it and never got a
comment.
> But, yesterday, the tower answered: "Please, avoid saying 'in formation,'
it sounds too much like 'information'! "
> ... Ok. But what should I be saying then?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
My lower half bearing folds inward to allow the wing folding.
Dave
Model IV
got a picture?
----- Original Message -----
From: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items
> I want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the
> bearing support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in
> making the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded
> back?
> I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
> happening.
> I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance
> for your help.
>
> Jack
> jhenryhall@mac.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Jack,
It sounds like the builder omitted the hinge that allows the bearing support
to fold down. Mine fold inward as the wing is folded. The plans detail this
piece, if you have the manual.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rudderdancer
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Hello all,
I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items I
want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the bearing
support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making
the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
happening.
I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance
for your help.
Jack
jhenryhall@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
The Model 2 does not have a hinged bottom bearing. The bottom bearing
should be rounded at the back edge so the flapperon horn will snap over
the hump just a bit.
Jerry Liles
Bradley M Webb wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
>Jack,
>It sounds like the builder omitted the hinge that allows the bearing support
>to fold down. Mine fold inward as the wing is folded. The plans detail this
>piece, if you have the manual.
>
>Bradley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rudderdancer
>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items I
>want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the bearing
>support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making
>the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
>I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
>happening.
>I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance
>for your help.
>
>Jack
>jhenryhall@mac.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
If memory serves, I believe it was found to be best to disconnect the
flapperons prior to folding. This eliminates the problem.
Dee Young
Model II N345DY
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Right, I think the Model 1 and 2 , 3 had the Flaperons that you did not
have to disconnect ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> The Model 2 does not have a hinged bottom bearing. The bottom bearing
> should be rounded at the back edge so the flapperon horn will snap over
> the hump just a bit.
> Jerry Liles
>
>
> Bradley M Webb wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>>
>>Jack,
>>It sounds like the builder omitted the hinge that allows the bearing
>>support
>>to fold down. Mine fold inward as the wing is folded. The plans detail
>>this
>>piece, if you have the manual.
>>
>>Bradley
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rudderdancer
>>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items
>>I
>>want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the
>>bearing
>>support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making
>>the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
>>I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
>>happening.
>>I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance
>>for your help.
>>
>>Jack
>>jhenryhall@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
yep, "flight of two" always worked for me.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71072#71072
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"....Bravo leny 600 is the norm every place els ..."
Not arguing, but where is it normal and where is it written. I do
agree with your view, but am pragmatic with facts not feelings, as
feelings can be soo wrong.
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
I recently read where someone in this forum vented his NSI Redrive because
it was building pressure due to heat expansion of the oil. I have a new
A-40 that is doing the same thing when the transmission oil gets to about 150
degrees. How did you vent it so that you didn't have a leak?
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| Subject: | Landing Practices |
I am new at taildragging and am having a problem doing three point landings
in that I am stalling out a litte too high each time and bouncing. I
attribute this to being used to a 172 where I physically sit higher because of
the
bigger plane. Is it best to try to land with a little power like in a wheel
landing then backing off the power and pulling back on the stick after the
main gear is on the runway or maybe even just continue with a full wheel
landing?
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GENTRYLL@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
I recently read where someone in this forum vented his NSI Redrive
because it was building pressure due to heat expansion of the oil. I
have a new A-40 that is doing the same thing when the transmission oil
gets to about 150 degrees. How did you vent it so that you didn't have
a leak?
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi All,
If you look at the Rotax Parts manual, the crankshaft for the Mod 90 and the
Mod 99 are identical. There is no difference between the two egines as far
as the crankshaft is concerned. The ear;ly Mod 90 had a crankshaft that had
smaller large end rod pins and bearings , but that was discontinued a long
time ago.
One of the reasons for not selling crankshaft parts seperately is " There
are excillent crankshaft rebuilders and there crappy crankshaft rebuilders
out there". It would be impossible for Rotax to seperate out to whom they
sell the parts. As this is aviation, if a crankshaft fails, rebuilt or
new, and there is an injury resulting from that particular failure, the
lawyers come out in drives. By simply not selling the parts they limit
their liability.
Just my personal two cents
Bob Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> Yes, CPS is in the states, what does that have to do with their expertise?
> I think many of those asking are also in the U.S.
> BTW, I agree, following the recommended service program is probably much
> safer.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and get new crank
>> at 300 hours.
>> No worries or failures to report of yet.
>>
>> To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and will most
>> likely be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in
>> Alberta.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> --
> 10/27/2006
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Bob thanks for the honest reply. Meens alot coming from "the guy". It kinda drives
home the point I have been trying to make all along... it is a lawyer based
number....and you are right on in that not just anyone should be trusted to
re-build the crank.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71117#71117
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| Subject: | Re: 582 overhaul |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Larry,
I just checked on Rotax's main web site (Austria) which is the difinitive
site.....On the 582 page it shows a 300 hour TBO right next to the engine.
There is a possibillity that individual service centers and repair stations
elsewhere on this globe are suggesting longer TBS's, but Rotax's difinite
answer would be 300 hours.
Just my personal two cents
regards
Bob R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 overhaul
"....Bravo leny 600 is the norm every place els ..."
Not arguing, but where is it normal and where is it written. I do agree
with your view, but am pragmatic with facts not feelings, as feelings can be
soo wrong.
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
If you do a wheelie you decide to make a wheelie before you land, and
same with a 3-point landing.
When you do a wheelie, at the moment the tire just barley touch the
asphalt or grass, you pull the throttle and move the stick an inch or
two forward, then keep the tail up until you have full down elevator,
when the tail start to come down you firmly apply full up elevator.
On a 3-point, you let the speed bleed of, with stick slowly backward,
without ballooning or touching the ground until it stall from 3 inch
alt.
And keep the rudder in motion.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
I am new at taildragging and am having a problem doing three point
landings in that I am stalling out a litte too high each time and
bouncing. I attribute this to being used to a 172 where I physically
sit higher because of the bigger plane. Is it best to try to land with
a little power like in a wheel landing then backing off the power and
pulling back on the stick after the main gear is on the runway or maybe
even just continue with a full wheel landing?
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet of
fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty of power
to
get out of it.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes Michel,
"Flight of 2" is right, unless you have more than 2 of
course.
Kurt S.
--- Fox5flyer <fox5flyer@i-star.com> wrote:
> "Flight of two"
>
> Deke
(http://voice.yahoo.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox history |
Mike,
While I agree that the Kitfox is a derivative design of the original Avid
Flyer, the initial Kitfox design was pretty much a direct copy of the Avid
Flyer. Reportedly the first Kitfox was created from an Avid Flyer kit
(Denney obtained in the lawsuit when he and Wilson parted ways) by
modifying
the shape of the rudder, adding drooped wing tips, changing the lower
longerons, and installing a 503 inside a slightly reshaped smooth cowl (the
round cowl didn't come until some time later when Denney was fitting the
ill
fated Pong Dragon radial engine work in the Kitfox). Note that even the
door opening style was the same as the first Avids, because the tubing was
all the same around the cabin area.
And yes, the first Avid was a tri gear. But that was the only one that was
a tri gear only. After that they were either tri or tailwheel convertible.
Only a few were made as special ordered taildragger-only versions (to save
weight).
Rather ironic that modern day Kitfox is also a tailwheel or trigear
convertible with a smooth cowl, isn't it? (history repeating itself?)
A little more historical info; Did any of you know that current Kitfox
company owner John McBeans father was involved in the test flying of the
Avid Prototype N99AF?
And for any of you that have never seen the first Kitfox, here's a picture
of it...(prior to being recowled, repainted, etc.)
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:26 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox history
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>>
>> Frank sez:
>>
>>>...I wonder why no mention is made of Dan Denny's prior relationship with
>>>the Avid Flyer Co....That Dean Wilson was the designer of the Avid which
>>>the Kitfox was copied after.
>>
>> The Kitfox was not copied from the Avid Flyer, the original "Avid Flyer"
>> is the ancestor of both aircraft lines. Denny and Wilson produced the
>> airplane but later went their separate ways. What we know today as the
>> Avid Flyer and the Kitfox line are both direct descendents of that very
>> first "Avid Flyer" (which, by the way, was a nose-wheeled airplane that
>> did not have a round cowling :-).
>>
>> Mike G.
>> N728KF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 overhaul |
Thanks Bob,
That why I love the facts.
larry
Subject: Re: 582 overhaul
From: Bob Robertson (aerocontrols@clearwave.ca)
Date: Mon Oct 30 - 9:57 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Larry,
I just checked on Rotax's main web site (Austria) which is the
difinitive
site.....On the 582 page it shows a 300 hour TBO right next to the
engine.
There is a possibillity that individual service centers and repair
stations
elsewhere on this globe are suggesting longer TBS's, but Rotax's
difinite
answer would be 300 hours.
Just my personal two cents
regards
Bob R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: 582 overhaul
"....Bravo leny 600 is the norm every place els ..."
Not arguing, but where is it normal and where is it written. I do
agree
with your view, but am pragmatic with facts not feelings, as feelings
can be
soo wrong.
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
There are some take offs and Landings here
http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
scroll down the left side near bottom
Kitfox Movie Fresh from the Trailer Park.
DOWNLOAD NOW 17 mgs.
right clik save as.........
Hope that helps
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet
of fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty
of power to get out of it.
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Margaret Hastedt" <hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
I have a Hirth redrive on my (mostly) NSI engine and it definitely has a vent.
Originally the vent was on the middle-front face of the unit, just below the
prop flange. However, I had to move it to the top fill port position because
evidently there's a low pressure zone at the original location when the prop is
spinning. It actually vacuumed out most of the redrive oil on one of the first
test hops! No problems/leaks with the vent in the top position. (I use gear
oil in my redrive - does NSI?)
-Margaret H.
>>> wingsdown@comcast.net 10/30/2006 11:25 AM >>>
Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GENTRYLL@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
I recently read where someone in this forum vented his NSI Redrive
because it was building pressure due to heat expansion of the oil. I
have a new A-40 that is doing the same thing when the transmission oil
gets to about 150 degrees. How did you vent it so that you didn't have
a leak?
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| Subject: | OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
I flew a lot of formation in the USAF, and typically we established each
communication with a controlling agency with "ourcallsign, flight of x"
depending on the number in the flight, of course. Once in a conversation
with a controller we didn't give the number of aircraft each
transmission cause that got kind of cumbersome. Instead, we identified
ourselves as "ourcallsign flight". The next transmission to a new
controller or after a period of time, we used the number of aircraft in
our flight again, so they would be sure to know.
Clem
Lawton, OK
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| Subject: | Somethiing of Interest! |
Howdy to all from Texas,
I was returning from a three day fly-in/campout at Reklaw, Texas this
past weekend. www.reklawflyin.com Any one who has not been to this must
put it on their top ten things to do before I die list. There were 345
planes of all sorts (three fellow kitfoxers) and about 1000 people in
attendance. No vendors in sight! You landed on the turf at the same
time someone was back taxing and people on foot were crossing the
runway. It was a mad dash in all directions and usually the fastest
one had the upper hand. At least on two occasions, landings were
aborted because of people strolling across the turf like they were at a
park and not an active and very busy runway. I suppose that adds to all
the fun. Kind of a "let's play chicken dance." I am sure there were
more when I had my back turned. Being a new member of the tail draqgin
club it presented a modest challenge for me but I was excited about the
chance. I had never landed on hilly slope before and even though it
was 3500 feet long it was hard to see the end because of the hoop de
do's. My motocross days were about to become handy once more. I came in
at tree top level and floated it on down. The third hoop de found me
completely stopped and back taxing among the crowd and oncoming traffic.
If you have not seen one of those giant Russian bi-planes landing on
the same turf, coming at you over a grassy hoop de do and about to meet
prop to prop, then you just have not lived! The strip is of course wide
enough to handle all this commotion but it is just so out of the
ordinary and completely exciting to see. You simply parked along the
make shift flight line and unloaded your lawn chair to watch it all
unfold. This went on for three days. My little ole Kitfox could not
compete with the loud and fast, might I mention flybys that were only a
few feet off the ground, but I wanted a piece of the action. I will
give them a show of low and slow. I taxied into position. Holding and
waiting for the next guy to come sailing over the tall pines. It was my
turn to shine. Brakes on hold, I revved her up and let her go. Once I
was airborne, I cut throttle to half and breezed about 20 feet above the
turf giving it right rudder then left. Back and forth I continued this
dance to the utter amusement of all the onlookers. I knew we had done
good, by all the smiles and thumbs up we received on the second pass by.
One fan told me later that I looked like a ballerina on the dance
floor. I took it as a compliment, but I would never wear one of those
pink lacy, fruoo fruoo, you can see my crotch kind of things. So fly Mr.
RV and Mr.Tiger Grumman, fly as fast as you can for as me and my fox we
will spend time in eternity.
Speaking of eternity and the real purpose of this message. I two am now
experiencing the phenomenon known as "carb pop off." I only thought
that I had landed a little hard but since have been educated. It is
going to cost me about $1300 dollars to learn this lesson. On the last
day of the fly in I could not keep those carbs on! Every time I started
the 912s they popped off. One of the fellow kitfoxers told me that I
had tightened the clamp that holds those two boogers on to tightly and
now I have to replace them. I am beginning to wonder what cost more?
My diesel pusher motorhome or my little kitfox! The two foxers flew to
a nearby "real airport" to load up on fuel before our journey home. His
back to Houston, mine back to Kerrville. It was a two hour 20 minute
flight there so I was expecting about the same home. But this is where
a new pucker factor story begins.
Once fueled we were able to take off without having to pop the cowling
to reset the carbs in their normal position. I had begun to wonder
maybe they were not supposed to be stuck in those rubber outlets. My
new kitfox friend had just told me that once it started the carbs could
not come out because of the suction. That gave me some piece of mind
for that long trip home. I was looking for 6500 feet when at 3300 my
RPM's went from 5650 to 4250. I have an IVO in flight adjustable prop
and was messing with that when it happened. After picking up my heart
out of the floor board I began a slow banking turn back to the airport
which was now on the horizon and barely visible. This is where great
visibility comes in handy. You need that when you think there is going
to be an off field landing! I bee lined it straight for the runway
praying all the way. The engine kept hobbling along at 4250 and the
little voice in my head said, "Don't you dare mess with the throttle
until you have the runway made." As I turned final I pulled the
throttle back and that is all it took to see that prop come to a
complete halt. I preferred seeing the giant Russian bi-plane coming at
me on the turf over this any day. With a glide pattern established I
set her down and we came to a stop before the first turn off. Whewww
and a quick prayer to the Lord released the tension I had built up. I
popped the cowling and sure enough one of the carbs had popped out of
their socket! The FBO attendant came whizzing up in his golf cart
wanting to know what happened. I simply asked, "Do you have any safety
wire? His trusty electric steed had him humming back in a few minutes
with a pair of pliers and some wire. With wire wrapped around the carbs
it was time for a test start. Test six and still they would not stay
on. This was quickly becoming a night mare and I began to wonder if I
would be staying the night under the plane. It was apparent that I
also needed to wrap from the bottom of the carb as well. With both carbs
wrapped top to bottom another prayer was offered. The flip of the
master and a turn of the switch announced with a roar of success. But
do I dare switch it all off to install the cowling? I guess test seven
would be ok. With cowling on I headed for the motherland. It would be
a tense journey home. Once airborne I now discovered that my prop
would not work! It apparently quite working in the full climb phase!
With only a few hours left of light I decided to proceed. As I glanced
at my trusty AV Map IV I could not believe my eyes! ETE 3:33. What!
3:33 hrs? How could that be! My only consolation was that I decided
to top off instead of head back with my remaining fuel. I had made it
on one tank so I could return on one tank, right?!?. But that was
before this nightmare began. With prop stuck on climb it was not long
until I reached my now newly adjusted altitude of 4500 feet. Once I
leveled off though that 6000 RPM kept flashing at me. It became quite
annoying ;0) I pulled back to half throttle to maintain the 5500. My
Dynon indicated 90 mph, the GPS told me what I really wanted to know.
With a quick glance I began to dig for the trail mix because it was
going to be a long trip home! GS 78 mph! ETE 3:33. Now I believe it!
I landed at dusk and was never so happy to be home and on the ground! I
called Lockwood this morning and ordered two new boots, $85 bucks a
piece. They also told me that I should install a Dog clutch of sorts.
Not sure what that is exactly but they told me it would be best in the
long run. That is where the $1300 dollars comes in. Should I do it? I
would love to hear the pro's and cons of this one. Unbeknownst to my
wife these exciting events of the last few hours, which will remain that
way, she had the house smelling good and she looked the fine woman she
is. With candles lit and a smile on her face the last few hours of my
nightmare quickly disappeared into oblivion as we slipped into bed.
Another prayer and another thanksgiving offered.
Wired Carbs
Michael Stanard
Kitfox V 912s
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
How is the vent made? Is it a ported plug, a tapped plug, or what?
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I had the same problem when I transitioned to the kitfox (still bites me occationally).
I eventually remembered something my instructor told me. Rather than
trying to judge where the ground is right under me, look strait ahead to the end
of the runway. I'm close to the ground when the picture out the front of the
window starts to look the way it does when I'm on the ground. That helped me
to get more consistent but I didn't really start getting smooth landings until
I'd just done a whole bunch of them. No substitute for practice.
> I am new at taildragging and am having a problem doing three point landings in
that I am stalling out a litte too high each time and bouncing. I attribute
this to being used to a 172 where I physically sit higher because of the bigger
plane. Is it best to try to land with a little power like in a wheel landing
then backing off the power and pulling back on the stick after the main gear
is on the runway or maybe even just continue with a full wheel landing?
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71165#71165
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| Subject: | Re: 582 overhaul I love the fact too good job |
And good to know :-) thx!!
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| Subject: | Re: need info on 582 rebuilding |
I think the SOLO engine that is used in many German self-launched
gliders have a TBO of 400 H.
but they use the engine 5-10 min per flight..
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: akflyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Bob thanks for the honest reply. Meens alot coming from "the guy".
It kinda drives home the point I have been trying to make all along...
it is a lawyer based number....and you are right on in that not just
anyone should be trusted to re-build the crank.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71117#71117
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/29/06 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tew, Stan" <Stan.Tew@revenue.alabama.gov>
Jack,
I have 2 Model II. One I have been flying almost 9 years and the other
is a crashed that I bought for parts. Please send photos to
stan_tew@yahoo.com. I have some photos of a bearing I made to replace
the ones that wore out. When they get worn (the hole enlarged) it will
lead to aileron flutter. Believe me you don't want that!
Stan
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1. 02:17 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Dave G.)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (john perry)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Dave G.)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (dave)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (akflyer)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Dave G.)
7. 09:28 AM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Noel Loveys)
8. 12:20 PM - Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (akflyer)
9. 01:27 PM - Re: Kitfox history (Michael Gibbs)
10. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding (Don Smythe)
11. 04:00 PM - Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... (Matt
Dralle)
12. 06:04 PM - Re: Kitfox history (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
13. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding
(Malcolmbru@aol.com)
14. 09:57 PM - Flaperon support on turtle deck (rudderdancer)
15. 10:57 PM - Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck (Don Pearsall)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 02:17:58 AM PST US
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to that
engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit
and
break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:37 AM
> every part for the 582 crank is available its just finding them the
hard
> part . the 582 mod 90 is easy to find parts for . The 582 blue head
still
> looking to find the rods and needle bearings for crank end . Correct
me
> someone but if I am not mistaken the 582 blue head crank is the same
as
> the 618 crank ?.
>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 04:48:15 AM PST US
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Dave,
Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod 90
?. Or
another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head engine ?.
JP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to
that
> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit
and
> break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:53:42 AM PST US
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they changed them
and
do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a crank assembley. I've
seen this in print several times and it is repeated in a service video I
have. I believe the change was before the mod 99 but again, I'm no
expert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>
> Dave,
> Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod 90
?.
> Or another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head engine ?.
>
> JP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to
that
>> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently
hit
>> and break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 08:08:04 AM PST US
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and get new crank
at
300 hours.
No worries or failures to report of yet.
I leave the trials and errors up to the experts.
saving 500 to 1000 $ is good sense until you sepnd more on repairs.
I saw a guy a month ago same thing - refused to listen and now he needs
one
new wing plus repairs to fuselage and recovering.
Yah good way to save a few dollars. And I almost always get a kick out
of
the AP or AME rebuilds on Rotax engine ( other than one certified on
Rotax)
Just casue they a aircraft mechanic does not mean it will work .
To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and will most
likely
be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in Alberta.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they changed
them
> and do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a crank
assembley.
> I've seen this in print several times and it is repeated in a service
> video I have. I believe the change was before the mod 99 but again,
I'm no
> expert.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>
>> Dave,
>> Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod
90 ?.
>> Or another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head engine ?.
>>
>> JP
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>
>>> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to
that
>>> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently
hit
>>> and break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 08:16:08 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
dumb......you told me to....
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70906#70906
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 09:03:14 AM PST US
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Yes, CPS is in the states, what does that have to do with their
expertise? I
think many of those asking are also in the U.S.
BTW, I agree, following the recommended service program is probably much
safer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and get new
crank
> at 300 hours.
> No worries or failures to report of yet.
>
> To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and will most
> likely be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in
> Alberta.
>
> Dave
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 09:28:21 AM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Certified engines have manuals that are very in depth for every
procedure
that is to be done on the engine. As far as I know there is no such
manual
available to non-Rotax technicians. The local Ski-Doo shop will
probably be
as good as a certified AME or A&P on the two stroke.
I have had dealings with Bob Robertson and I'm not the slightest bit shy
about recommending him to any one with a two stroke Rotax. These
engines
are about as far divorced from the four stroke Lycs and Conis as
possible
and still have pistons. They are really specialist engines and require
a
specialist approach to repair.
Noel
AME intern
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and
> get new crank at
> 300 hours.
> No worries or failures to report of yet.
>
> I leave the trials and errors up to the experts.
>
> saving 500 to 1000 $ is good sense until you sepnd more on repairs.
> I saw a guy a month ago same thing - refused to listen and
> now he needs one
> new wing plus repairs to fuselage and recovering.
> Yah good way to save a few dollars. And I almost always get
> a kick out of
> the AP or AME rebuilds on Rotax engine ( other than one
> certified on Rotax)
> Just casue they a aircraft mechanic does not mean it will work .
>
> To each their own. And Dave CPS is USA side of border and
> will most likely
> be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in Alberta.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >
> > You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they
> changed them
> > and do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a
> crank assembley.
> > I've seen this in print several times and it is repeated in
> a service
> > video I have. I believe the change was before the mod 99
> but again, I'm no
> > expert.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry"
> <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >> Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old
> style mod 90 ?.
> >> Or another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head
> engine ?.
> >>
> >> JP
> >>
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:17 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: need info on 582 rebuilding
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G."
> <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> >>>
> >>> I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are
> unique to that
> >>> engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will
> apparently hit
> >>> and break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 12:20:05 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
how can you lend any credibility to the "recomended service program"
that varies
by what country you are in ???? Every where else in the world the TBO
on the
crank is 600 hrs, but in the US we must do something terrible to our
engines
as we can only get half that out of them... please....The recomended TBO
is based
on a half life. After the 600 hrs things start to get dicy so to remain
ultra conservative in our sue happy country, they say to replace at
300...this
is to cover the manufactures butt not ours...
by all means if it makes you feel better replace at 300....
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70959#70959
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 01:27:55 PM PST US
From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox history
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Frank sez:
>...I wonder why no mention is made of Dan Denny's prior relationship
>with the Avid Flyer Co....That Dean Wilson was the designer of the
>Avid which the Kitfox was copied after.
The Kitfox was not copied from the Avid Flyer, the original "Avid
Flyer" is the ancestor of both aircraft lines. Denny and Wilson
produced the airplane but later went their separate ways. What we
know today as the Avid Flyer and the Kitfox line are both direct
descendents of that very first "Avid Flyer" (which, by the way, was a
nose-wheeled airplane that did not have a round cowling :-).
Mike G.
N728KF
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 01:50:46 PM PST US
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Just to help out your point. I overhauled my 582 at 300 hours
(including
crank). I was chasing a problem at the time and that was the reason for
the
overhaul. Turned out, the problem was not even in the engine (another
story). My old 300 hour crank showed no wear what-so-ever. As a matter
of
fact, the engines speced out in-spec. Did not need an overhaul......
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
life. After the 600 hrs things start to get dicy so to remain ultra
conservative in our sue happy country, they say to replace at 300...this
is
to cover the manufactures butt not
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 04:00:00 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from
the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
able to finally get them to lift the block about 3pm PST 10/29/2006 and
it appears
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your
displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to
"matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 06:04:23 PM PST US
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox history
this catalina could be had for a lot less than a builder would have in
to
one do you get the seaplain matronics list malcolm
________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
Time: 06:18:51 PM PST US
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding
Bravo leny 600 is the norm every place els it makes me sick to see
a
pile of cranks at LEAF with the rod's bent in a vice so no one can re
use
them then they are sent out local and sold for scrap some less than
300 hr.
because of the 5 year rule you send a motor to them they don't tell
you they
wont rebuild it if it has 5 years on it till it is on the bench then
they
say they will send it back to you with a huge bill for the tear down. I
took
that course 3 times mal do not archive
________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
Time: 09:57:14 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
From: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Hello all,
I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic
items I want
to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the bearing
support
on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making the
flaperons
clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
happening.
I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in
advance for your
help.
Jack
jhenryhall@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
________________________________ Message 15
____________________________________
Time: 10:57:16 PM PST US
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hello Jack,
Welcome to the Kitfox list. By all means attach a photo so we can see
what
the problem is. How hard do the flaperons hit the turtledeck? Enough to
damage either one?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rudderdancer
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Hello all,
I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic
items I
want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the
bearing
support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in
making
the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
happening.
I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in
advance
for your help.
Jack
jhenryhall@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Mine folds outward.
Lynn
On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 06:56 AM, dave wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> My lower half bearing folds inward to allow the wing folding.
>
> Dave
> Model IV
>
>
> got a picture?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic
>> items I want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag
>> on the bearing support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with
>> some ideas in making the flaperons clear this bearing support when
>> the wings are folded back?
>> I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
>> happening.
>> I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in
>> advance for your help.
>>
>> Jack
>> jhenryhall@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This sounds like me early on. My glasses were the progressive type bifocals
which give no peripheral correction at all. I had a real hard time finding
the ground. That said, it seems that if you are bouncing after the wheels
touch, you are not in a true three point. Typically when this happens, you
stall with the tail up a bit and when the mains touch, the tailwheel drops
increasing the angle of attack and you are flying again at the new angle.
You might check to see that you are full stick back in the stall and also
there have been issues about inability to get the tail down - inadequate
elevator authority. Lots of guys have taped the gap to increase elevator
authority. In short, others have had this issue and it is not necessarily
the fault of the pilot.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <GENTRYLL@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
> It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet of
> fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty of
> power to
> get out of it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Lynn,
My mistake -- mine does too.
Good thing for you observation folks or my prop would be on backwards :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Mine folds outward.
>
> Lynn
> On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 06:56 AM, dave wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> My lower half bearing folds inward to allow the wing folding.
>>
>> Dave
>> Model IV
>>
>>
>> got a picture?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic
>>> items I want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag
>>> on the bearing support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with
>>> some ideas in making the flaperons clear this bearing support when
>>> the wings are folded back?
>>> I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
>>> happening.
>>> I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in
>>> advance for your help.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> jhenryhall@mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71031#71031
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Lowell,
Did you see that video? Would taping my gaps help me Lowell?
Also a good technique is same as glassy water landing........ slow decent
and fly to ground
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> This sounds like me early on. My glasses were the progressive type
> bifocals which give no peripheral correction at all. I had a real hard
> time finding the ground. That said, it seems that if you are bouncing
> after the wheels touch, you are not in a true three point. Typically when
> this happens, you stall with the tail up a bit and when the mains touch,
> the tailwheel drops increasing the angle of attack and you are flying
> again at the new angle.
>
> You might check to see that you are full stick back in the stall and also
> there have been issues about inability to get the tail down - inadequate
> elevator authority. Lots of guys have taped the gap to increase elevator
> authority. In short, others have had this issue and it is not necessarily
> the fault of the pilot.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GENTRYLL@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>
>
>> It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet of
>> fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty of
>> power to
>> get out of it.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
It sounds like you are not pushing the lower half down prior to folding the
wing back. Is that correct. It should be down when you fold the wings in and
then pushed in place under the flaperon and vice versa, it should be pushed
back down before you start to fold the wing back.
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
That was probably either me or Peter Graitchen. We both vented ours,
but in different ways and with positive results. It eliminated the
internal pressure that was causing the oil seepage. I vented mine over
200 hours ago and it's been fine ever since. You can see how I did it
by going to our Sportflight.com archives uploads and checking in the NSI
category. or you can just click on
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1058
656397
Let me know if you have any questions.
Deke Morisse
S5/NSI/CAP
----- Original Message -----
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
I recently read where someone in this forum vented his NSI Redrive
because it was building pressure due to heat expansion of the oil. I
have a new A-40 that is doing the same thing when the transmission oil
gets to about 150 degrees. How did you vent it so that you didn't have
a leak?
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
Thanks, that looks simple enough. I'll be trying it shortly.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
I like the slow decent, fly it to the ground technique. That was about what
I had decided would work best for me. I don't know what "taping my gap"
means, though.
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
Thats a lot of BS. All NSI redrives, or for that matter, all gearboxes need
to be vented. With heat buildup there is a corresponding pressure buildup.
With a proper overflow container, you would be surprised how much oil is
pushed out and then sucked back in as the gearbox cools.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 12:25
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps lubricate
and venting diminishes that to some extent.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
Maybe they didn't come with the original kit, but my M2 has the inward-folding,
hinged bottom flapperon bearings.
Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry
Liles
The Model 2 does not have a hinged bottom bearing. The bottom bearing
should be rounded at the back edge so the flapperon horn will snap over
the hump just a bit.
Jerry Liles
Bradley M Webb wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb"
>
>Jack,
>It sounds like the builder omitted the hinge that allows the bearing support
>to fold down. Mine fold inward as the wing is folded. The plans detail this
>piece, if you have the manual.
>
>Bradley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rudderdancer
>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:56 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon support on turtle deck
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer"
>
>Hello all,
>
>I recently purchased a Kitfox model II. It has a few small cosmetic items I
>want to fix. The hardest one to me is how the flaperons drag on the bearing
>support on the turtle deck. Can anyone help me with some ideas in making
>the flaperons clear this bearing support when the wings are folded back?
>I can send pictures off the forum to better show what is currently
>happening.
>I'm looking forward to getting into the air very soon. Thanks in advance
>for your help.
>
>Jack
>jhenryhall@mac.com
>
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you very much, Trey, Deke, Leni, Kurt and Clem, and ... tusen
takk, Jan! :-)
Now, I know how to talk like a real pilot! :-) I browsed the internet,
trying to find the right terminology but I couldn't find it.
Next time, I'll try: "Torp Tower, Lima lima tango, flight of thousands,
... :-) Nah, I don't think they appreciate that kind of humour.
Jan, for your information, we - Norwegian pilots - think that Sweden is
a paradise, your airfields are really great and your ATC services, very
friendly. I have been flying mostly the western coast, Fjllbacka,
Varberg, Hgans.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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Hello GENTRYLL@aol.com:
The attached picture shows how I vented my NSI PSRU.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Somethiing of Interest! |
Great story Michael. Loved it.
I can't personally speak from experience for the clutch, but I
understand that it's very effective at reducing engine shake,
particularly with the 912S.
Deke
From: MA Stanard
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Somethiing of Interest!
Howdy to all from Texas,
I was returning from a three day fly-in/campout at Reklaw, Texas this
past weekend. www.reklawflyin.com Any one who has not been to this must
put it on their top ten things to do before I die list. There were 345
planes of all sorts (three fellow kitfoxers) and about 1000 people in
attendance. No vendors in sight! You landed on the turf at the same
time someone was back taxing and people on foot were crossing the
runway. It was a mad dash in all directions and usually the fastest
one had the upper hand. At least on two occasions, landings were
aborted because of people strolling across the turf like they were at a
park and not an active and very busy runway. I suppose that adds to all
the fun. Kind of a "let's play chicken dance." I am sure there were
more when I had my back turned. Being a new member of the tail draqgin
club it presented a modest challenge for me but I was excited about the
chance. I had never landed on hilly slope before and even though it
was 3500 feet long it was hard to see the end because of the hoop de
do's. My motocross days were about to become handy once more. I came in
at tree top level and floated it on down. The third hoop de found me
completely stopped and back taxing among the crowd and oncoming traffic.
If you have not seen one of those giant Russian bi-planes landing on
the same turf, coming at you over a grassy hoop de do and about to meet
prop to prop, then you just have not lived! The strip is of course wide
enough to handle all this commotion but it is just so out of the
ordinary and completely exciting to see. You simply parked along the
make shift flight line and unloaded your lawn chair to watch it all
unfold. This went on for three days. My little ole Kitfox could not
compete with the loud and fast, might I mention flybys that were only a
few feet off the ground, but I wanted a piece of the action. I will
give them a show of low and slow. I taxied into position. Holding and
waiting for the next guy to come sailing over the tall pines. It was my
turn to shine. Brakes on hold, I revved her up and let her go. Once I
was airborne, I cut throttle to half and breezed about 20 feet above the
turf giving it right rudder then left. Back and forth I continued this
dance to the utter amusement of all the onlookers. I knew we had done
good, by all the smiles and thumbs up we received on the second pass by.
One fan told me later that I looked like a ballerina on the dance
floor. I took it as a compliment, but I would never wear one of those
pink lacy, fruoo fruoo, you can see my crotch kind of things. So fly Mr.
RV and Mr.Tiger Grumman, fly as fast as you can for as me and my fox we
will spend time in eternity.
Speaking of eternity and the real purpose of this message. I two am
now experiencing the phenomenon known as "carb pop off." I only thought
that I had landed a little hard but since have been educated. It is
going to cost me about $1300 dollars to learn this lesson. On the last
day of the fly in I could not keep those carbs on! Every time I started
the 912s they popped off. One of the fellow kitfoxers told me that I
had tightened the clamp that holds those two boogers on to tightly and
now I have to replace them. I am beginning to wonder what cost more?
My diesel pusher motorhome or my little kitfox! The two foxers flew to
a nearby "real airport" to load up on fuel before our journey home. His
back to Houston, mine back to Kerrville. It was a two hour 20 minute
flight there so I was expecting about the same home. But this is where
a new pucker factor story begins.
Once fueled we were able to take off without having to pop the cowling
to reset the carbs in their normal position. I had begun to wonder
maybe they were not supposed to be stuck in those rubber outlets. My
new kitfox friend had just told me that once it started the carbs could
not come out because of the suction. That gave me some piece of mind
for that long trip home. I was looking for 6500 feet when at 3300 my
RPM's went from 5650 to 4250. I have an IVO in flight adjustable prop
and was messing with that when it happened. After picking up my heart
out of the floor board I began a slow banking turn back to the airport
which was now on the horizon and barely visible. This is where great
visibility comes in handy. You need that when you think there is going
to be an off field landing! I bee lined it straight for the runway
praying all the way. The engine kept hobbling along at 4250 and the
little voice in my head said, "Don't you dare mess with the throttle
until you have the runway made." As I turned final I pulled the
throttle back and that is all it took to see that prop come to a
complete halt. I preferred seeing the giant Russian bi-plane coming at
me on the turf over this any day. With a glide pattern established I
set her down and we came to a stop before the first turn off. Whewww
and a quick prayer to the Lord released the tension I had built up. I
popped the cowling and sure enough one of the carbs had popped out of
their socket! The FBO attendant came whizzing up in his golf cart
wanting to know what happened. I simply asked, "Do you have any safety
wire? His trusty electric steed had him humming back in a few minutes
with a pair of pliers and some wire. With wire wrapped around the carbs
it was time for a test start. Test six and still they would not stay
on. This was quickly becoming a night mare and I began to wonder if I
would be staying the night under the plane. It was apparent that I
also needed to wrap from the bottom of the carb as well. With both carbs
wrapped top to bottom another prayer was offered. The flip of the
master and a turn of the switch announced with a roar of success. But
do I dare switch it all off to install the cowling? I guess test seven
would be ok. With cowling on I headed for the motherland. It would be
a tense journey home. Once airborne I now discovered that my prop
would not work! It apparently quite working in the full climb phase!
With only a few hours left of light I decided to proceed. As I glanced
at my trusty AV Map IV I could not believe my eyes! ETE 3:33. What!
3:33 hrs? How could that be! My only consolation was that I decided
to top off instead of head back with my remaining fuel. I had made it
on one tank so I could return on one tank, right?!?. But that was
before this nightmare began. With prop stuck on climb it was not long
until I reached my now newly adjusted altitude of 4500 feet. Once I
leveled off though that 6000 RPM kept flashing at me. It became quite
annoying ;0) I pulled back to half throttle to maintain the 5500. My
Dynon indicated 90 mph, the GPS told me what I really wanted to know.
With a quick glance I began to dig for the trail mix because it was
going to be a long trip home! GS 78 mph! ETE 3:33. Now I believe it!
I landed at dusk and was never so happy to be home and on the ground! I
called Lockwood this morning and ordered two new boots, $85 bucks a
piece. They also told me that I should install a Dog clutch of sorts.
Not sure what that is exactly but they told me it would be best in the
long run. That is where the $1300 dollars comes in. Should I do it? I
would love to hear the pro's and cons of this one. Unbeknownst to my
wife these exciting events of the last few hours, which will remain that
way, she had the house smelling good and she looked the fine woman she
is. With candles lit and a smile on her face the last few hours of my
nightmare quickly disappeared into oblivion as we slipped into bed.
Another prayer and another thanksgiving offered.
Wired Carbs
Michael Stanard
Kitfox V 912s
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
Nice response. So where is the vent and recovery system on standard
transmission in vehicles. I will admit you did a very nice job on the
vent. I had 600 hours without a problem.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
Thats a lot of BS. All NSI redrives, or for that matter, all gearboxes
need to be vented. With heat buildup there is a corresponding pressure
buildup. With a proper overflow container, you would be surprised how
much oil is pushed out and then sucked back in as the gearbox cools.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 12:25
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
At 08:52 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>I am new at taildragging and am having a problem doing three point
>landings in that I am stalling out a litte too high each time and
>bouncing. I attribute this to being used to a 172 where I physically sit
>higher because of the bigger plane. Is it best to try to land with a
>little power like in a wheel landing then backing off the power and
>pulling back on the stick after the main gear is on the runway or maybe
>even just continue with a full wheel landing?
If you pull back on the stick after the mains are on you'll go flying
again. If you do a wheel landing you push forward to plant the mains and
then keep pushing forward trying to lift the tail until it touches. Then
you bring the stick back full.
1. Get a copy of "Stick and Rudder" and read it.
2. Get a copy of "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot" and read it.
3. Sit in your aircraft on the taxiway and mark three points on the
windscreen; two to mark the horizon and two to mark the centerline. The
marks for the centerline should then defocus to four when you focus at
infinity, with the centerline in the middle of the four dots. Next apply
fine line tape lines dot to dot, leaving you with the horizon and a "gun
sight" for centerline.
4. When you land, make sure you are looking primarily right and left and
not straight ahead. It's much easier to judge height if you do so. Glance
ahead to keep things straight, but you should use right and left for
altitude and drift. (Most taildraggers require right and left for
everything, as there is literally no view forward.)
5. Fly down the runway under power at about 5-10 over stall. Keeping
everything centered fly the plane down until you just skiff a wheel. Bring
it up and try to fly down the length of the runway at 1' or less altitude,
slipping the aircraft as required to align with the centerline. If you
bounce don't push, just add a little power, get stable, then fly back down
to the runway at minimum airspeed. Try to do this without looking forward,
or just glancing forward for centerline. If the air's stable, and you're
feeling really skilled, bring the speed down to just above stall and float
it all the way down the runway. Go around and repeat as required.
6. Practice, practice, practice!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon support on turtle deck |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Thank you all that wrote a response. I'll try to attach some pictures now.
The very inboard ends of the flaperons are looking beat up. The bearing supports
do not fold down and the clearance to the fuselage is very close.
One of you commented that the bearing support should guide the flaperon up and
over. Could it be that that portion on mine should be tall enough to clear the
turtle deck zus fastener and taper back toward the tail a little bit? Please
continue to offer suggestions.
Thanks,
Jack
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71218#71218
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices...the "gap"... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I had a friend suggest the "progressive" bifocals and I HATED them.
When I got home with them I tried to lay out a straight line and it
curved down on both ends. I never made it through the suggested
two-week trial period. I use my double-D's to fly with and they work
perfectly. As for me, I want to know where that reading area meets the
far-vision area...to hell with progressives!
The elevator thing...my flight instructor had me lower the horizontal
stab as low as it would go and drill a new hole for the front mounting
bolt. This was not enough so we applied tape over the gap between the
horizontal stab and the elevator (to answer GENTRYLL's question). I
also had to add a tab to my elevator trim.
Lynn
On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 03:13 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> This sounds like me early on. My glasses were the progressive type
> bifocals which give no peripheral correction at all. I had a real
> hard time finding the ground. That said, it seems that if you are
> bouncing after the wheels touch, you are not in a true three point.
> Typically when this happens, you stall with the tail up a bit and when
> the mains touch, the tailwheel drops increasing the angle of attack
> and you are flying again at the new angle.
>
> You might check to see that you are full stick back in the stall and
> also there have been issues about inability to get the tail down -
> inadequate elevator authority. Lots of guys have taped the gap to
> increase elevator authority. In short, others have had this issue and
> it is not necessarily the fault of the pilot.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <GENTRYLL@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>
>
>> It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet
>> of
>> fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty
>> of power to
>> get out of it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sometimes the vent is located right on the top of the standard
transmission casting, and sometimes the pressure goes through the front
bearing, and is released through a shielded hole in the front bearing
retainer (which also serves as the sleeve upon which slides the clutch
release bearing, also known as the throw-out bearing.) If located on
top of the casting, it is usually covered with a squeeze-on metal cap,
to keep water and road gunk out.
Lynn
On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 06:00 PM, wingsdown wrote:
> Nice response. So where is the vent and recovery system on standard
> transmission in vehicles. I will admit you did a very nice job on the
> vent. I had 600 hours without a problem.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
>
> Thats a lot of BS. All NSI redrives, or for that matter, all gearboxes
> need to be vented. With heat buildup there is a corresponding pressure
> buildup. With a proper overflow container, you would be surprised how
> much oil is pushed out and then sucked back in as the gearbox cools.
>
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
>
<image.tiff>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 12:25
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
>
>
> Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
> leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
> lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Missed the video Dave.
I am just reporting the experience of others on the list. I'm sure someone
will chime in regarding elevator authority. I think it can also be a result
of landing with lots of flaps. Flaps will tend to pitch the nose down and
a bit of up elevator is then needed to hold the nose up. At the touch down
point you may run out of elevator, then as before, if the mains touch first,
the tail will drop and with the increased angle of attack, you are flying
again.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Lowell,
>
> Did you see that video? Would taping my gaps help me Lowell?
>
> Also a good technique is same as glassy water landing........ slow decent
> and fly to ground
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> This sounds like me early on. My glasses were the progressive type
>> bifocals which give no peripheral correction at all. I had a real hard
>> time finding the ground. That said, it seems that if you are bouncing
>> after the wheels touch, you are not in a true three point. Typically
>> when this happens, you stall with the tail up a bit and when the mains
>> touch, the tailwheel drops increasing the angle of attack and you are
>> flying again at the new angle.
>>
>> You might check to see that you are full stick back in the stall and also
>> there have been issues about inability to get the tail down - inadequate
>> elevator authority. Lots of guys have taped the gap to increase elevator
>> authority. In short, others have had this issue and it is not
>> necessarily the fault of the pilot.
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <GENTRYLL@aol.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>>
>>
>>> It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet
>>> of
>>> fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty of
>>> power to
>>> get out of it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I guess I shouldn't be responding here as I don't own a Sub of any variety,
but there has been occasional talk of oil seals being pushed out by internal
pressures. There was talk of an oil seal retainer and talk of venting. Has
this from memory been a gear box issue?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
> Nice response. So where is the vent and recovery system on standard
> transmission in vehicles. I will admit you did a very nice job on the
> vent. I had 600 hours without a problem.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
>
>
> Thats a lot of BS. All NSI redrives, or for that matter, all gearboxes
> need to be vented. With heat buildup there is a corresponding pressure
> buildup. With a proper overflow container, you would be surprised how
> much oil is pushed out and then sucked back in as the gearbox cools.
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 12:25
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
>
>
> Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
> leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
> lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Lowell,
I never experienced that problem, but I believe that was the front main
engine seal. There were a few with undersize seals and some with just
too much crankcase pressure.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I guess I shouldn't be responding here as I don't own a Sub of any
variety,
but there has been occasional talk of oil seals being pushed out by
internal
pressures. There was talk of an oil seal retainer and talk of venting.
Has
this from memory been a gear box issue?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
> Nice response. So where is the vent and recovery system on standard
> transmission in vehicles. I will admit you did a very nice job on the
> vent. I had 600 hours without a problem.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
>
>
> Thats a lot of BS. All NSI redrives, or for that matter, all gearboxes
> need to be vented. With heat buildup there is a corresponding pressure
> buildup. With a proper overflow container, you would be surprised how
> much oil is pushed out and then sucked back in as the gearbox cools.
> Peter Graichen http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
> Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 12:25
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
>
>
> Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not be
> leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
> lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Lowell,
A few videos here http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
bottom left is one with lot of landings . I have no Gap seals and alot or
take off and landing with flaps , do you think it needs a gap seal ? And if
so what will I gain?
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Missed the video Dave.
>
> I am just reporting the experience of others on the list. I'm sure
> someone will chime in regarding elevator authority. I think it can also
> be a result of landing with lots of flaps. Flaps will tend to pitch the
> nose down and a bit of up elevator is then needed to hold the nose up.
> At the touch down point you may run out of elevator, then as before, if
> the mains touch first, the tail will drop and with the increased angle of
> attack, you are flying again.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Lowell,
>>
>> Did you see that video? Would taping my gaps help me Lowell?
>>
>> Also a good technique is same as glassy water landing........ slow decent
>> and fly to ground
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>> This sounds like me early on. My glasses were the progressive type
>>> bifocals which give no peripheral correction at all. I had a real hard
>>> time finding the ground. That said, it seems that if you are bouncing
>>> after the wheels touch, you are not in a true three point. Typically
>>> when this happens, you stall with the tail up a bit and when the mains
>>> touch, the tailwheel drops increasing the angle of attack and you are
>>> flying again at the new angle.
>>>
>>> You might check to see that you are full stick back in the stall and
>>> also there have been issues about inability to get the tail down -
>>> inadequate elevator authority. Lots of guys have taped the gap to
>>> increase elevator authority. In short, others have had this issue and
>>> it is not necessarily the fault of the pilot.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <GENTRYLL@aol.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet
>>>> of
>>>> fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty of
>>>> power to
>>>> get out of it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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MessageMost Cars and trucks have vents on the tranny --auto or standard
as well as transaxles and front and rear axles.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
Nice response. So where is the vent and recovery system on standard
transmission in vehicles. I will admit you did a very nice job on the
vent. I had 600 hours without a problem.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:21 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
Thats a lot of BS. All NSI redrives, or for that matter, all
gearboxes need to be vented. With heat buildup there is a corresponding
pressure buildup. With a proper overflow container, you would be
surprised how much oil is pushed out and then sucked back in as the
gearbox cools.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 12:25
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Redrive Oil Seal Leaks
Where is it leaking? Venting should not be required. It should not
be leaking. I was told by Lance that oil mist is created and helps
lubricate and venting diminishes that to some extent.
Rick
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It is leaking around the front propshaft seal, but only after flying an hour
or so and the temp gets up to around 150 degrees.
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That video is something else. I had a lot of takeoffs and landings that
looked like that but they were not planned. Maybe someday.
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I have done a lot of reading and understand the mechanics. Your explanations
on how to get the feel of things make a lot of sense. I will be sure to try
them next chance I get. I had this same stalling out a little too high
problem also in both a 150 taildragger and a Citabria. I was using the
transitions lens also so glasses off now.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree with Rick Lowell,
It was the engine front crank seal, not the GB. Mine
drops maybe 10 drips of oil for a long flying day, but
nothing I would worry about. Cant even find the
source for sure, but it is somewhere at the planes
back of the engine (auto front). I cant find a wet
spot, just some oil below.
Peter G is the source for the GB vent, I believe??? I
remember it as a threaded AL extension from the fill
hole with a small plastic fuel filter on top to vent
thru. Very nice. Wasnt he the one who made the dip
stick for the GB too????
I am not home again to check my memory on this, so
sorry if I got it wrong.
Kurt S.
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Lowell,
>
> I never experienced that problem, but I believe that
> was the front main
> engine seal. There were a few with undersize seals
> and some with just
> too much crankcase pressure.
>
> Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Darn Guy,
That is what I was going to say, but not nearly as
well. :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> At 08:52 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
> If you pull back on the stick after the mains are on
> you'll go flying
> again. If you do a wheel landing you push forward to
> plant the mains and
> then keep pushing forward trying to lift the tail
> until it touches. Then you bring the stick back
full.
>
> 1. Get a copy of "Stick and Rudder" and read it.
>
> 2. Get a copy of "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot"
> and read it.
>
> 3. Sit in your aircraft on the taxiway and mark
> three points on the
> windscreen; two to mark the horizon and two to mark
> the centerline. The
> marks for the centerline should then defocus to four
> when you focus at
> infinity, with the centerline in the middle of the
> four dots. Next apply
> fine line tape lines dot to dot, leaving you with
> the horizon and a "gun
> sight" for centerline.
>
> 4. When you land, make sure you are looking
> primarily right and left and
> not straight ahead. It's much easier to judge height
> if you do so. Glance
> ahead to keep things straight, but you should use
> right and left for
> altitude and drift. (Most taildraggers require right
> and left for
> everything, as there is literally no view forward.)
>
> 5. Fly down the runway under power at about 5-10
> over stall. Keeping
> everything centered fly the plane down until you
> just skiff a wheel. Bring
> it up and try to fly down the length of the runway
> at 1' or less altitude,
> slipping the aircraft as required to align with the
> centerline. If you
> bounce don't push, just add a little power, get
> stable, then fly back down
> to the runway at minimum airspeed. Try to do this
> without looking forward,
> or just glancing forward for centerline. If the
> air's stable, and you're
> feeling really skilled, bring the speed down to just
> above stall and float
> it all the way down the runway. Go around and repeat
> as required.
>
> 6. Practice, practice, practice!
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly
> to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:03 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>I am just reporting the experience of others on the list. I'm sure someone
>will chime in regarding elevator authority. I think it can also be a result
>of landing with lots of flaps. Flaps will tend to pitch the nose down and
>a bit of up elevator is then needed to hold the nose up.
My IV ran out of authority with full flaps until I sealed the elevator gap
with clear tape. It will go all the way to stall now, power on or off. (My
CG is about 14.7" and I have my HS as high as it will go.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:43 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>Darn Guy,
>
>That is what I was going to say, but not nearly as
>well.
Your too kind. :-[
Guy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:43 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>Darn Guy,
>
>That is what I was going to say, but not nearly as
>well.
Oops. You're too kind. :-[
(Man I hate it when I do that. And in public, too.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I guess the best answer to your question. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
Gap seals have helped others that have had difficulty getting the tail down
for full stall landings.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Lowell,
>
> A few videos here http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
> bottom left is one with lot of landings . I have no Gap seals and alot
> or take off and landing with flaps , do you think it needs a gap seal ?
> And if so what will I gain?
>
>
> Dave
> Coffee break at the Trailer park Hangar
>
> Download 4.8 meg
>
>
> Kitfox Movie Fresh from the Trailer Park.
> DOWNLOAD NOW 17 mgs.
>
> right clik save as.........
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Missed the video Dave.
>>
>> I am just reporting the experience of others on the list. I'm sure
>> someone will chime in regarding elevator authority. I think it can also
>> be a result of landing with lots of flaps. Flaps will tend to pitch the
>> nose down and a bit of up elevator is then needed to hold the nose up.
>> At the touch down point you may run out of elevator, then as before, if
>> the mains touch first, the tail will drop and with the increased angle of
>> attack, you are flying again.
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>
>>> Lowell,
>>>
>>> Did you see that video? Would taping my gaps help me Lowell?
>>>
>>> Also a good technique is same as glassy water landing........ slow
>>> decent and fly to ground
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like me early on. My glasses were the progressive type
>>>> bifocals which give no peripheral correction at all. I had a real hard
>>>> time finding the ground. That said, it seems that if you are bouncing
>>>> after the wheels touch, you are not in a true three point. Typically
>>>> when this happens, you stall with the tail up a bit and when the mains
>>>> touch, the tailwheel drops increasing the angle of attack and you are
>>>> flying again at the new angle.
>>>>
>>>> You might check to see that you are full stick back in the stall and
>>>> also there have been issues about inability to get the tail down -
>>>> inadequate elevator authority. Lots of guys have taped the gap to
>>>> increase elevator authority. In short, others have had this issue and
>>>> it is not necessarily the fault of the pilot.
>>>>
>>>> Lowell
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <GENTRYLL@aol.com>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's that last 3 inches that's getting me. It ends up about two feet
>>>>> of
>>>>> fall and what seems like ten feet of bounce. Luckily she has plenty
>>>>> of power to
>>>>> get out of it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
Just remember to keep your flight together around the
control zone of the airport. They expect you to be
within about 200 meters horizontal distance (700 feet)
except when seperating to land, if I remember the
distance correctly. If you are too far apart, they
can not direct you safely as a flight around other
aircraft.
To get your farthest acceptable distance worked out,
seperate by the maximum distance on the ground and
find the smallest feature on the other aircraft you
can just see. Then make sure you can still see that
feature in flight. You know as a sailor how distances
can be hard to tell out in the open, so use this.
I was once #64 in a flight of 67, so big flights do
happen. :-)
Once overhead the runway, as the navy does it in "the
break", or turning base, you can pick up your landing
seperation. If you have not practiced the break, it
is better to just have each plane turn base a little
later than the first to get your landing distance and
still keep site of each other. Make sure that the
following plane(s) are on the outside of your turns so
you dont turn into them.
"Norski flight of 1000 for landing." Ok, that may
take over 200 meters front to back..... :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Thank you very much, Trey, Deke, Leni, Kurt and
> Clem, and ... tusen takk, Jan! :-)
>
> Now, I know how to talk like a real pilot! :-) I
> browsed the internet,
> trying to find the right terminology but I couldn't
> find it.
> Next time, I'll try: "Torp Tower, Lima lima tango,
> flight of thousands,
> ... :-) Nah, I don't think they appreciate that kind
> of humour......
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Heck, I only mess up in public. Like my best landings
no one ever sees. But the day I got a crowd.... I hit
that little dip in the grass runway squarely and
bounced 7 times. (Never over a foot high, but bounce,
bounce, bounce...)
Or the time I tried to do the 1/2 flaps landing on
pavement and dump the flaps to make it stick trick.
Yanked up instead of pushing down on the handle.
Straight up 10 feet, hover? Then a nice recovery
while the next plane could hardly talk for laughing
over the radio.
Forgiven, but not forgotten Guy
Kurt S.
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
.......
> (Man I hate it when I do that. And in public, too.)
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly
> to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
My old instructor (ex WW2 Spitfire pilot) said always look straight ahead at
the end of the runway..Never look out the side in case she bolts on you.
When you see the side markers or side if the stip at shoulder height gently
out your perifial, pull back. Done me fine for many years/hours. And I wear
progressives...~j~
You wrote 30 Oct 2006 15:12:40 -0800
4. When you land, make sure you are looking primarily right and left and not
straight ahead. It's much easier to judge height if you do so. Glance ahead
to keep things straight, but you should use right and left for altitude and
drift. (Most taildraggers require right and left for everything, as there is
literally no view forward.)
5. Fly down the runway under power at about 5-10 over stall. Keeping
everything centered fly the plane down until you just skiff a wheel. Bring
it up and try to fly down the length of the runway at 1' or less altitude,
slipping the aircraft as required to align with the centerline. If you
bounce don't push, just add a little power, get stable, then fly back down
to the runway at minimum airspeed. Try to do this without looking forward,
or just glancing forward for centerline. If the air's stable, and you're
feeling really skilled, bring the speed down to just above stall and float
it all the way down the runway. Go around and repeat as required.
6. Practice, practice, practice!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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