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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Landing Practices (John Anderson)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (JC Propellerdesign)
3. 03:47 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Landing Practices (kurt schrader)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language (kurt schrader)
6. 07:51 AM - Model IV Brake Lines (Dan McIntyre)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: Kitfox history (Michael Gibbs)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Model IV Brake Lines (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
9. 09:02 AM - Re: Model IV Brake Lines (wwillyard@AOL.COM)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox history (Frank Miles)
11. 09:37 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (Michel Verheughe)
12. 09:39 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question (Michel Verheughe)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: AEROCET FLOATS FOR CLASSIC 1200 (PEDRO PEREZ)
14. 09:59 AM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language (Michel Verheughe)
15. 10:49 AM - Sight Tube Printout (Jim Crowder)
16. 11:53 AM - Re: Sight Tube Printout (dcsfoto)
17. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox history avid catalina (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
18. 03:49 PM - 3 Pointers (Rex Shaw)
19. 04:35 PM - Re: 3 Pointers (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
20. 05:03 PM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language / Michel (Ceashman@aol.com)
21. 05:16 PM - Re: 3 Pointers (Don Smythe)
22. 06:30 PM - Re: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
23. 06:36 PM - Re: 3 Pointers (Cudnohufsky's)
24. 06:42 PM - Fuse on the way (Tony Partain)
25. 07:59 PM - Re: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing (kirk hull)
26. 08:08 PM - Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language (Noel Loveys)
27. 08:42 PM - Re: Fuse on the way (Lowell Fitt)
28. 08:44 PM - Re: AEROCET FLOATS FOR CLASSIC 1200 (Noel Loveys)
29. 08:44 PM - Re: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing (Lowell Fitt)
30. 09:27 PM - Re: Landing Practices (Richard D'Archangel)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes Kurt, I know wht you mean. Back in my dusting days we might do 100
landings, all greezers, then spong it all over the home base strip...with
all the early homers watching!!
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Heck, I only mess up in public. Like my best landings
no one ever sees. But the day I got a crowd.... I hit
that little dip in the grass runway squarely and
bounced 7 times. (Never over a foot high, but bounce,
bounce, bounce...)
Or the time I tried to do the 1/2 flaps landing on
pavement and dump the flaps to make it stick trick.
Yanked up instead of pushing down on the handle.
Straight up 10 feet, hover? Then a nice recovery
while the next plane could hardly talk for laughing
over the radio.
Forgiven, but not forgotten Guy
Kurt S.
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
.......
> (Man I hate it when I do that. And in public, too.)
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly
> to Bob Ducar.
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
Sweden is a Great country to fly in, a lot of uncontrolled airspace, I
live on the west coast of Lake V=E4nern.
Fuel is not that expensive (everything is relative)
Good visibility most of the time.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you very much, Trey, Deke, Leni, Kurt and Clem, and ... tusen
takk, Jan! :-)
Now, I know how to talk like a real pilot! :-) I browsed the internet,
trying to find the right terminology but I couldn't find it.
Next time, I'll try: "Torp Tower, Lima lima tango, flight of
thousands,
... :-) Nah, I don't think they appreciate that kind of humour.
Jan, for your information, we - Norwegian pilots - think that Sweden
is
a paradise, your airfields are really great and your ATC services,
very
friendly. I have been flying mostly the western coast, Fj=E4llbacka,
Varberg, H=F6gan=E4s.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language |
Hello Michel.
I have a couple of questions for you.
In Norway, when contacting the tower at the local airport, Is the language
used English? and is this international, meaning the same for all European
countries?
If this is the case. Then someone learning to become a pilot must also learn
the english language. And of course, the English pilot jargon. That has got to
be difficult, as we know there are many books on the subject of radio
communication (in English).
I know that all class B and international arrival airports must use the
English language, so that all international arrivals communicate with control and
tower in English. Much easier that way.
Lastly;
What is the Norwegian word for "information" ?
What is/are the Norwegian word/s for "in formation" ?
Off- topic but good topic as always Michel.
All the best. Eric.
Classic IV. Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Even worse. Without my knowing it, my FAA examiner
moved to the airport community where I had my plane in
KY. Saw him several months later. Thumbs up on my
flying and testing, but lets not talk about the
landings he saw....
Luckily I didnt fly a pax that wanted to go when I
was still testing, or I might have had a more serious
discussion with the FAA. Pax was an insistant
mechanic and pilot friend, but I was not going to
compromise, or risk a testing incident. Never know
who is watching.... but that is my excuse for the bad
ones he saw. ;-) Theyll screw you up even when you
dont know they are watching.....
And I agree with the glasses discussion. Bifocals,
not graduated lenses! I am so blind now I cant even
read what I am writing. Got to build another plane
while I can still see to do it.
Kurt S.
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--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yes Kurt, I know wht you mean. Back in my dusting
> days we might do 100
> landings, all greezers, then spong it all over the
> home base strip...with all the early homers watching!!
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Just as a side note, I expected more English in latin
America flying, but it is almost all Portugese and
Spanish down here. Problems arise. People hit
mountains.
Lately the largest crash in Brazil history happened as
a corporate jet flown by 2 US pilots scrubbed the
bottom of a 737. The 2 corporate pilots are in jail.
Wrong altitude. The 737 crashed in the jungle.
I am thinking of bringing a tape recorder along to
copy some of the transmissions so unbeilevers can
listen for themselves. Often one controller is
transmitting on 2 radios on the same frequency to
cover a large area. Anywhere in the middle you get a
horrendous echo effect.
Europe is better!
Kurt S.
I want a sticker to put on the 767 saying "My other
plane is a KitFox!" John McB!!! Got any stickers?
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--- Ceashman@aol.com wrote:
> Hello Michel.
>
> I have a couple of questions for you.
> In Norway, when contacting the tower at the local
> airport, Is the language
> used English? and is this international, meaning the
> same for all European
> countries?
> If this is the case. Then someone learning to become
> a pilot must also learn
> the english language. And of course, the English
> pilot jargon. That has got to
> be difficult, as we know there are many books on the
> subject of radio
> communication (in English).
>
> I know that all class B and international arrival
> airports must use the
> English language, so that all international arrivals
> communicate with control and
> tower in English. Much easier that way.
>
> Lastly;
> What is the Norwegian word for "information" ?
> What is/are the Norwegian word/s for "in formation"
> ?
>
> Off- topic but good topic as always Michel.
> All the best. Eric.
> Classic IV. Atlanta
>
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| Subject: | Model IV Brake Lines |
Been trying to figure out the best way to route the brake lines down to
the brakes on my model IV. I looked over the Sport Flight photos but
couldn't see anything very detailed and my instruction manual isn't any
help either. I did a search on the Matronic list but was unsuccessful.
Anyone out there that has built a model IV with tube gear I'd like to
how you routed your lines.
Thanks in advance
Dan Mc Intyre
N4344DM
Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox history |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Paul sez:
>...the initial Kitfox design was pretty much a direct copy of the
>Avid Flyer. Reportedly the first Kitfox was created from an Avid
>Flyer kit...
The Kitfox can't be a "direct copy" of the Avid Flyer, it IS an Avid
Flyer. It's not like someone came along and copied the design, it
was divergent evolution! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV Brake Lines |
zip tied to frame at about front gear attach point,
through fabric of underside, ziptied to front tube of gear,
through fabric on inside of gear,
exited at base of gear frame.
John Kerr 740 hours
Classic IV, 912ul
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dan McIntyre" <danm@gangnailtruss.com>
Been trying to figure out the best way to route the brake lines down to the brakes
on my model IV. I looked over the Sport Flight photos but couldn't see anything
very detailed and my instruction manual isn't any help either. I did a search
on the Matronic list but was unsuccessful. Anyone out there that has built
a model IV with tube gear I'd like to how you routed your lines.
Thanks in advance
Dan Mc Intyre
N4344DM
Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV Brake Lines |
Dan, I routed mine down inside the trailing edge of the aft vinyl faring. Of course
this will only work if you are installing the faring option.
Bill W.
Classic IV 912
-----Original Message-----
From: danm@gangnailtruss.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model IV Brake Lines
Been trying to figure out the best way to route the brake lines down to the brakes
on my model IV. I looked over the Sport Flight photos but couldn't see anything
very detailed and my instruction manual isn't any help either. I did a search
on the Matronic list but was unsuccessful. Anyone out there that has built
a model IV with tube gear I'd like to how you routed your lines.
Thanks in advance
Dan Mc Intyre
N4344DM
Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox history |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles" <f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net>
How does that saying go? Something like: "A rose by any other name is still
a rose".
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox history
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Paul sez:
>...the initial Kitfox design was pretty much a direct copy of the
>Avid Flyer. Reportedly the first Kitfox was created from an Avid
>Flyer kit...
The Kitfox can't be a "direct copy" of the Avid Flyer, it IS an Avid
Flyer. It's not like someone came along and copied the design, it
was divergent evolution! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 31, 2006, at 5:52 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> They expect you to be within about 200 meters horizontal distance
Thank you, Kurt, it's good to know.
> If you have not practiced the break, it is better to just have each
> plane turn base a little
> later than the first to get your landing distance and still keep site
> of each other.
This is exactly what we do; extend the downwind leg to give some space.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 31, 2006, at 12:11 PM, JC Propellerdesign wrote:
> Sweden is a Great country to fly in, a lot of uncontrolled airspace, I
> live on the west coast of Lake Vnern.
Ok, Jan. I fly my Kitfox from Jarsberg ENJB, about one hour flight from
Gteborg. We will certainly meet one day. How about arranging a
Scandinavian Kitfox fly-in?
Hej d,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: AEROCET FLOATS FOR CLASSIC 1200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
HELO; LIST
DO ANY OF YOU HAVE EXPIRENCE WITH AEROCET FLOATS OF A KITFOX...
HOW IS THE WEIGHT?
HARDWARE NEEDED?
AND ANY MODIFICATIONS!!!!!!!!!
REGARDS,
PEDRO PEREZ
FROM: PUERTO RICO
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Oct 31, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Ceashman@aol.com wrote:
> In Norway, when contacting the tower at the local airport, Is the
> language used English?
Affirmative, Sir!
> and is this international, meaning the same for all European
> countries?
Negative, Sir!
> What is the Norwegian word for "information" ?
Informasjon.
> What is/are the Norwegian word/s for "in formation" ?
I formasjon.
As you can see, Eric, the Germanic and Latin Europe has much words with
the same origin.
But, to answer your question about ATC languages, in Scandinavia
(Norway, Sweden, Denmark) and Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands,
Luxembourg) maybe 95% of GA pilots speak English. In other European
countries, it is not so, with probably France where they insist in
speaking only French. Their lost, really, because they feel very stupid
the day they want to cross a border.
Anyway, the Norwegian law, of which I can speak for, says that the
pilot radio operator license need to be in English. For those who
really don't master the language at all, there is a "limited license"
that can be obtained, in Norwegian, but that can't be used abroad, for
evident reasons.
So, all my ATC contacts are in English, and even on non-controlled
airfields, I declare my traffic pattern intentions in English. On very
small fields, some Norwegians use "Norglish" which is a mixture of the
two languages. E.g. "Lima, lima, tango, turning hyre nedvind (right
downwind) three sixty." or something like that.
But, whenever I talk with other pilots, I stress how important it is
that ATC communication is understood and that, if in doubt, one can,
and should, speak Norwegian or any other language that would facilitate
communication, understanding and ultimately, safety.
Whether we like it or not, English has become the de-facto language of
ATC and VTS (Vessel Traffic Surveillance). The only place where you can
still use limited French is in SAR procedures like MAYDAY (m'aider) and
PAN PAN (panne).
My conclusion is: Fear makes you speak foreign tongues! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Sight Tube Printout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
There was a request from a member on the list for the background
printout that was once available through our list for the printed
strip to be placed behind the Kitfox sight tube used to indicate fuel
level. I never saw a response to the request. I too and looking for
this printout. I have done a Google search and attemped to find it
in our archive with no success. Does anyone know how to obtain
it. I remember it as being very well done.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Re: Sight Tube Printout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
kitfox has them for sale
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71376#71376
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox history avid catalina |
so what is the deal on the avid catalina?
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From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing Practices
I am new at taildragging and am having a problem doing three point
landings
in that I am stalling out a litte too high each time and bouncing. I
attribute this to being used to a 172 where I physically sit higher
because of
the
bigger plane. Is it best to try to land with a little power like in a
wheel
landing then backing off the power and pulling back on the stick after
the
main gear is on the runway or maybe even just continue with a full
wheel
landing?
Hi !
I can sympathise with your problem. I remember my transition to
tail draggers and it was in my MKIV Kitfox. Yep used to do the same
thing. What I eventually worked out for me in my plane anyway was if I
can get that stick right back hard into the cushion without the nose
flaring high before touch down then it will go just nice. Hope that will
work for you.
I had no issues with elevator authority but yes I do believe
especially in earlier models gap sealing can be the answer but are you
lacking the ability to get the tail down ? As I said I can easilly
overdo it and flare high. Also as someone said too much flap might be
causing you to not be able to get the tail down. Personally I tend to
use just a tiny amount. Actually what I need for trim at about 70 knots.
Also I would comment that I can remember when learning getting the
nose too high and about 2ft off the ground. I did this a couple of times
before I applied power to sort it. Anyway I just held the stick hard
back and it floated down fairly gently but I don't recommend it. However
it might not be the end of the world.
By the way it is my personal belief that taildraggers are meant to be
3 pointed and generally speaking this is the easiest way to land them. I
feel wheeler landings leave one wide open in a crosswind as the tail
drops. Just my idea of things.
Be sure to get that stick right back before touch down and hopefully
you'll be right.
Rex.
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Thanks Rex,
I see from your writing some things I am doing differently. First I am
coming in at just over 50 mph. Second, I am using no flaps. With this
combination, it doesn't take much to make it stall. I don't think elevator authority
is the problem as when I pull it back it drops. I think I am just flaring
too high as I am used to being in a bigger, taller plane. I like the idea
another fellow sent in of flying just above the runway and down the center until
my brain adjust for where bottom really is.
Thanks for the help.
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| Subject: | Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language / Michel |
Michel.
Thanks very much for describing the communication policy for most of Europe.
(shame about the French)
I remember when learning to fly I was always afraid to use the radio for fea
r
of screwing something up during tower communication (mostly factual than
fearing :).
Still today, there are times when I get tongue tied and can't seem to let it
out correctly that I am arriving 8 miles from the north. Or I am banking to
the left for a right downwind and I blurt out that I am entering a left
downwind. And here I am an ex Brit speaking English, It is a good thing ther
e is a
press to talk button otherwise the entire airport traffic would cringe at my
use
of foul words describing how much of an idiot I am.
Then again, that is the thrill and secrecy of being up there by oneself !
You say: "some Norwegians use "Norglish" which is a mixture of the
two languages. E.g. "Lima, lima, tango, turning h=F8yre nedvind (right
downwind) three sixty." or something like that".
Michel, sometimes my announcements sound very close to Norglish. Put it this
way, even having puckered and coughed then pressed the dreadful button what
comes forth from my Kitfox, aint proper English!!
With this in mind I will have to admire the tenacity of non British
(Continentals :)) European pilots with extra workload to consider when flyin
g.
When up there alone, have you ever said out loud to yourself "bugger... how
could I have said that." Have you ever laughed out loud to yourself!
What a hobby this is, brilliant!
All the best. Eric
Do Not Archive
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You might try the Tapscotte shuffle. This is what my instructor (Bob
Tapscotte) taught me and I did it on my first landing. Worked great
and gave me the feeling of the runway. Approach for a wheel landing,
let the mains touch, keep enough power to maintain flight and easy go
around. Let the mains touch every 50 feet or so. This will give you a
good feel for where you are in relation to the runway. Keep the power
on and just let the mains kiss the runway. The longer the runway the
better.
Just a thought,
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3 Pointers
Thanks Rex,
I see from your writing some things I am doing differently. First I
am coming in at just over 50 mph. Second, I am using no flaps. With
this combination, it doesn't take much to make it stall. I don't think
elevator authority is the problem as when I pull it back it drops. I
think I am just flaring too high as I am used to being in a bigger,
taller plane. I like the idea another fellow sent in of flying just
above the runway and down the center until my brain adjust for where
bottom really is.
Thanks for the help.
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing |
has any one seen the video of the BI wings in formation wheel skiing on
water
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My experience learning to land my Kitfox 4, I would approach at 50 -55
with about 50% Flaps (would help with visability), had a notch on the
trim so I knew where to set the trim, would normally do a forward slip
to the runway (also helped with visability) and then straighten out and
hold off until it settled in, if I did real well the tail wheel would
touch just a moment before the mains and I knew I was down, if I flaired
to high I would drop a little and bounce, I would then give a little
throttle and flair it back in with the throttle. In time I either hit it
right or within one bounce. It is all about getting to know your plane.
The comment about doing touch and goes down the runway is a great way to
get to know your plane, my flying buddy got so proficient with his Kolb
he could do touch and gos down the runway while alternating from main
tire to main tire, it's all about practicing and knowing your plane.
Good luck and have fun.
----- Original Message -----
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3 Pointers
Thanks Rex,
I see from your writing some things I am doing differently. First I
am coming in at just over 50 mph. Second, I am using no flaps. With
this combination, it doesn't take much to make it stall. I don't think
elevator authority is the problem as when I pull it back it drops. I
think I am just flaring too high as I am used to being in a bigger,
taller plane. I like the idea another fellow sent in of flying just
above the runway and down the center until my brain adjust for where
bottom really is.
Thanks for the help.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain" <tpartain@bendcable.com>
The triger has been pulled... Should have a Fuse in a couple of weeks. Let the
fun begin!
--------
Tony Partain
Partain Transport Company
Bend Oregon
http://www.vansairforce.net/Graphics/PartainTruckingCo.htm
RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71453#71453
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| Subject: | 3 Pointers water wheel skiing |
I have seen a photo of it but cant seem to find it in my collection. It
must be one of the things I lost in my last hd crash. I think it came in a
power point with a lot of other photos. You might try airliners.net.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Malcolmbru@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing
has any one seen the video of the BI wings in formation wheel skiing on
water
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| Subject: | OFF-TOPIC: ATC question/ Add Language |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
This will only happen if the transmitters happen to be single sideband
suppressed carrier types.
FM or PM has what is known as a capture effect where only the strongest
signal is heard... Not used in aviation.
AM radio ( that's us) uses a carrier ( 50% of the power out put ) and two
information carrying sidebands. The problem is if these stations carriers
are not in exact sync all you will get every time the tower transmits will
be a loud squeal... Some times you will hear this when two pilots try to
contact the tower at the same time. The advantage of the AM. signal is
higher fidelity than SSB. and the tower will know immediately if two or more
planes try to call at the same time.
Noel
>
> I am thinking of bringing a tape recorder along to
> copy some of the transmissions so unbeilevers can
> listen for themselves. Often one controller is
> transmitting on 2 radios on the same frequency to
> cover a large area. Anywhere in the middle you get a
> horrendous echo effect.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse on the way |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Tony,
This is good news. I loved the building process. I hope there are more
like you out there. Welcome to the group.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Partain" <tpartain@bendcable.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuse on the way
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony Partain" <tpartain@bendcable.com>
>
> The triger has been pulled... Should have a Fuse in a couple of weeks. Let
> the fun begin!
>
> --------
> Tony Partain
> Partain Transport Company
> Bend Oregon
> http://www.vansairforce.net/Graphics/PartainTruckingCo.htm
>
> RV7 IO360 CS 116WT
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71453#71453
>
>
>
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| Subject: | AEROCET FLOATS FOR CLASSIC 1200 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I have been flying with straight Aerocet floats. The documentation that I
got with the plane says that the floats add about 50# to the weight of the
plane. (511 on wheels and 560 on floats as measured by the builder)
My plane is a Model III-A I have an extra support, part of the float set up,
that strengthens the floor of the fuselage. The ventral strake fits on
where the tail wheel spring used to be. It has a rod that passes through
the fuselage through one of the tow bar mounting holes. There is a very
small hole where the water rudder cable goes through the skin. The water
rudder controls are all bicycle style cables. They should be checked often
in corrosive environments like mine. Then again if I had open pulley type
controls they would need just as much attention.
The floats are readily repaired with available epoxy repair kits. Don't'
ask how I know this.... All I will say is it had nothing to do with flying.
With these floats in place it is very easy, especially if you're my size to
overload the plane. There is a decent size storage compartment, big enough
to carry 10 Gal. U.S. in each float if you have the gas in 2.5 Gal
containers.
The important thing in fitting floats is the CG of the plane should be
directly over the CF ( Centre of flotation) of the float. Other wise
ballast may have to be carried not to fly but to taxi and get up on step.
Finding the CF of any float is fun but darned if I know how to do it on Full
Lotus. I guess for that float I'd have to blow the dust off my graphics
calculator... Or ask Full lotus ;-)
Working alone with block and tackle I can re install my Aerocets in about
four hours. Most of that time is spent in lifting the plane and keeping it
level. If I were working in a proper hangar with a chain fall/over head
crane and a lifting bar I think I could install a set of floats in just over
two hours... Three hours with help :-)
The first installation will take much longer especially if you are working
out location of the floats and angle of incidence and cutting struts to fit.
Because the installation on the Kitfox uses existing fixtures on the plane
installation is a bit faster than say on a Super Cub or Aeronca.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> PEDRO PEREZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:11 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AEROCET FLOATS FOR CLASSIC 1200
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "PEDRO PEREZ" <5324@PRTC.NET>
>
> HELO; LIST
>
> DO ANY OF YOU HAVE EXPIRENCE WITH AEROCET FLOATS OF A KITFOX...
> HOW IS THE WEIGHT?
> HARDWARE NEEDED?
> AND ANY MODIFICATIONS!!!!!!!!!
>
> REGARDS,
> PEDRO PEREZ
> FROM: PUERTO RICO
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I have a short video of one of our guys wheel skiing. I guess I should send
it to Dave for posting on the Trailer park site.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing
>I have seen a photo of it but cant seem to find it in my collection. It
> must be one of the things I lost in my last hd crash. I think it came in
> a
> power point with a lot of other photos. You might try airliners.net.
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Malcolmbru@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:29 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3 Pointers water wheel skiing
>
>
> has any one seen the video of the BI wings in formation wheel skiing on
> water
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Practices |
Try landing with the door open. It's easy to see how close you are to
the ground that way.
Good luck,
Dick
GENTRYLL@aol.com wrote:
> I am new at taildragging and am having a problem doing three point
> landings in that I am stalling out a litte too high each time and
> bouncing. I attribute this to being used to a 172 where I physically
> sit higher because of the bigger plane. Is it best to try to land
> with a little power like in a wheel landing then backing off the
> power and pulling back on the stick after the main gear is on the
> runway or maybe even just continue with a full wheel landing?
>
>
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