---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/07/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:38 AM - Video (dave) 2. 04:50 AM - Re: child car seats (Brian Rodgers) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers (Fox5flyer) 4. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: child car seats (dave) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers (kirk hull) 6. 06:41 AM - Fuel Shut-Off Valve (Tinne maha) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (Timothy Colman) 8. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: child car seats (Charles Bloom) 9. 08:27 AM - Re: Video (Guy Buchanan) 10. 08:32 AM - Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (84KF) 11. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (Jose M. Toro) 12. 08:51 AM - Re: Video OFF TOPIC (wingsdown) 13. 09:02 AM - Re: Video (Don Pearsall) 14. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: child car seats (wwillyard@aol.com) 15. 10:50 AM - Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." (Lynn Matteson) 16. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (Lynn Matteson) 17. 12:16 PM - OFF TOPIC VIDEO ON TOPIC WARP DRIVE ISSUE. (dave) 18. 12:31 PM - Re: Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." (Don Pearsall) 19. 01:49 PM - Kitfox IV Pilots Operating Handbook (Howard) 20. 02:25 PM - Re: Kitfox IV Pilots Operating Handbook (Todd Leiss) 21. 02:27 PM - Non-aircraft posts (Fox5flyer) 22. 03:02 PM - Treaded Tyres (Rex Shaw) 23. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: child car seats (wingsdown) 24. 04:05 PM - Re: Treaded Tyres (Tom Jones) 25. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: child car seats (Dan Billingsley) 26. 04:57 PM - Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers (John Anderson) 27. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: child car seats (John Anderson) 28. 05:24 PM - Re: Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." (Lynn Matteson) 29. 05:36 PM - WAY off topic (Brian Rodgers) 30. 05:42 PM - Re: Treaded Tyres (john perry) 31. 08:03 PM - Rough Running 912 UL (Jay Fabian) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:43 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Kitfox-List: Video Guys , I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this very touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could see. Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to everyone. I came across this video and posted here http://www.cfisher.com/ Really hits home on car seats Best regards , Dave ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:52 AM PST US From: "Brian Rodgers" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats "Child Car seats"? I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft. I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which we'd like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox aircraft. Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but I'm sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug use, when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention that previously?). Do not archive Brian Rodgers ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > Guys , > > I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this very > touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could see. > Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to > everyone. > > I came across this video and posted here > > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > Really hits home on car seats > > Best regards , > > > Dave > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:47 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers Mic, my S5 is 885 empty and I cruise about 108 ias at 3900 rpm at 22" MP and 4gph fuel flow. I do have the NSI CAP prop which probably accounts for a lot of the performance and also lots of fairings including fuel caps and radiator and wheels. Oil/coolant temp on an 80 degree day are generally around 200f. What type of Soob are you running? Perhaps you don't have enough prop pitch? Normal aspirated or turbo? Deke S5/NSI EA81 normally aspirated and CAP > > those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop > rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is only > 80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options > and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list > > thanks > mic > > > >From: "John Anderson" > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers > >Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300 > > > > > > > >Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the prop > >(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just me > >(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100. > >If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I have > >a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you > >with high oil temp and low water. > > > > > > > >From: GENTRYLL@aol.com > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers > >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST > > > > > >I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my > >model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and > >it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17 > >degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It > >climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is > >the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the > >water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30 > >psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000 > >hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it > >in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my > >setup? > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with > Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. > http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:58 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats Brian sorry that you feel that way. I thought it was very touching and could help others save a child's life. I add plenty about Kitfox talk so I appolize that this is off topic. Well it got your attention and that was the point of it . It worked Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rodgers" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > "Child Car seats"? > I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the > discussion of Kitfox aircraft. > I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which > we'd > like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not > archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough > drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox > aircraft. > Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about > vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not > running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not > playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but > I'm > sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug > use, > when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention > that > previously?). > > Do not archive > Brian Rodgers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > >> >> Guys , >> >> I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this >> very >> touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could > see. >> Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. >> We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to >> everyone. >> >> I came across this video and posted here >> >> http://www.cfisher.com/ >> >> Really hits home on car seats >> >> Best regards , >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:20 AM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers Your empty weight is about the same as mine but I bet you do not have enough pitch in the prop. When I first flew mine I had 11 deg in the prop and got about the same # you have then I increased it to 17 1/2 and got a cruise in the 90's. What pitch are you using? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mic thiessen Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is only 80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list thanks mic >From: "John Anderson" >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers >Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300 > > > >Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the prop >(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just me >(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100. >If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I have >a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you >with high oil temp and low water. > > >From: GENTRYLL@aol.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST > > >I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my >model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and >it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17 >degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It >climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is >the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the >water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30 >psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000 >hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it >in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my >setup? > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > _________________________________________________________________ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:06 AM PST US From: "Tinne maha" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Shut-Off Valve I was hoping to start my engine for the first time the other day but the first three fuel shut-off valves I installed (same brand & model) leaked. I'd rather not use the one Skystar supplied 'cuz it's so heavy. Can anyone suggest a fuel valve that is effective, light weight & I don't have to make major modifications to my center console to install? Thanks, Grant Krueger Series 5 TD w/ Lyc _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:38 AM PST US From: Timothy Colman Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . Ben:=0A=0ABy the way, back at the beginning of this thread I was the lurker who asked one of the first questions about whether Steve was right in his interpretation of the LSA rules. I really wanted him to be right. Why? B ecause I was also the one who wanted to buy your plane at 1400# and fly it at a gross of 1320#. The consensus seems to be against that working. Too bad, you have a beauty there.=0A=0ATim Colman=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mes sage ----=0AFrom: Ben Baltrusaitis =0ATo: kitfox-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:06:59 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kit fox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . .=0A=0A =0AThe garbage comes from emphasis, like quotes and colored type, put in th e post on the web site. If you go there you can read the post in the intend ed format.=0ABen=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Glenn Horne =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: 11/06/2006 8:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfo x-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . .=0A=0A =0A=0AME TO.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "kirk hull" =0ATo: =0ASent: Monday, November 06, 2 006 7:59 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is ri irk hull" =0A>=0A> Your not alone. I'm getting the sam e thing=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Beh alf Of Don Smythe=0A> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:57 PM=0A> To: kitfo x-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA=0A> rules. . .=0A>=0A> --> Kitfox-List message pos ted by: "Don Smythe" =0A>=0A>>>The only ?opaperwork ? you need to be concerned with is the W&B sheet,=0A>>>and that is where yo u take your aircraft empty weight number from,, and=0A>>>inset it into, t he >>=0A>=0A> Am I the only one seeing the strange postings? It's full of ????? and =0A> other=0A>=0A> squares and such. Very hard to read=0A>=0A> D on Smythe=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get the Annual link Free * AeroElectric http://w ww.matron====================== ================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:45 AM PST US From: "Charles Bloom" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats Dave, Don't apologise, I am a school bus driver and see quite a few auto accidents. The only ones I have seen where kids were injured, they weren't properly secured in the vehicles. Our large busses do not have seat belts but the smaller ones have seat belts and shoulder harnesses. It doesn't hurt at all to be a little off topic if it could possibly save a child from permanent injury. Chuck > [Original Message] > From: dave > To: > Date: 11/7/2006 6:26:48 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > > Brian sorry that you feel that way. > > I thought it was very touching and could help others save a child's life. > I add plenty about Kitfox talk so I appolize that this is off topic. > > Well it got your attention and that was the point of it . > > It worked > > Thanks > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Rodgers" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:51 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > > > > > "Child Car seats"? > > I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the > > discussion of Kitfox aircraft. > > I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which > > we'd > > like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not > > archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough > > drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox > > aircraft. > > Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about > > vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not > > running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not > > playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but > > I'm > > sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug > > use, > > when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention > > that > > previously?). > > > > Do not archive > > Brian Rodgers > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dave" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > > > > >> > >> Guys , > >> > >> I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this > >> very > >> touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could > > see. > >> Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > >> We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to > >> everyone. > >> > >> I came across this video and posted here > >> > >> http://www.cfisher.com/ > >> > >> Really hits home on car seats > >> > >> Best regards , > >> > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:46 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Video Dave, I do, but understand your desire to post it. Next time please lead the title with "OFF TOPIC" so we know it's not Kitfox related. Guy At 03:38 AM 11/7/2006, you wrote: > >Guys , > >I hope no one find this intrusive to your site ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:23 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . .. From: "84KF" "I was also the one who wanted to buy your plane at 1400# and fly it at a gross of 1320#. " And just why do you believe you can't do just that? "The consensus seems to be against that working" I must have missed that poll, where is it? "Too bad, you have a beauty there." so don't let others make up you mind for you. Do the reading and research and you will see that all be just fine, (if it meets the rest of the perameters.) Anyone interested in learning about why you MAY alter your Experinental, such as switching from in-flight adjustable prop back to fixed pitch, and the plane NOW LSA eligible, e-mail me and I will get back as soon as possible. It can be done under the letter of the law, (as intended) no problem. stevebenesh@comcast.net please don't post anything on the subject at this time , it would only draw the wrath of others. If you must, don't blame me for the noise. steve -------- Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!) New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72842#72842 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:05 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . Tim:=0A=0AYou are right. By no means it will be legal to fly that plane wi th a Sport Pilot license.=0A=0AJose=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AF rom: Timothy Colman =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 11:50:52 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . .=0A=0A=0ABen:=0A =0ABy the way, back at the beginning of this thread I was the lurker who as ked one of the first questions about whether Steve was right in his interpr etation of the LSA rules. I really wanted him to be right. Why? Because I was also the one who wanted to buy your plane at 1400# and fly it at a gr oss of 1320#. The consensus seems to be against that working. Too bad, yo u have a beauty there.=0A =0ATim Colman=0A=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Ben Baltrusaitis =0ATo: kitfox-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 6, 2006 8:06:59 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-L ist: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . .=0A=0A=0ATh e garbage comes from emphasis, like quotes and colored type, put in the pos t on the web site. If you go there you can read the post in the intended fo rmat.=0ABen=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Glenn Horne =0ATo: kitf ox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: 11/06/2006 8:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-Lis t: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . .=0A=0A=0A--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" =0A=0AM E TO.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "kirk hull" =0ATo: =0ASent: Monday, November 06, 2006 7:5 9 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right abo l" =0A>=0A> Your not alone. I'm getting the same thing =0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matr onics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe=0A> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:57 PM=0A> To: kitfox-list@ matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve i "Don Smythe" =0A>=0A>>>The only ?opaperwork? you n eed to be concerned with is the W&B sheet,=0A>>>and that is where you take your aircraft empty weight number from,, and=0A>>>inset it into, the >> =0A>=0A> Am I the only one seeing the strange postings? It's full of ????? and =0A> other=0A>=0A> squares and such. Very hard to read=0A>=0A> Don Sm ythe=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get the Annual link Free * AeroElectric http://www.ma tron======================= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- Date: 11/4/2006=0A=0A www.aerow.buildersbooks.com/" ta ========================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:58 AM PST US From: "wingsdown" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Video OFF TOPIC I thought it was great. Good point about off topic. Rick Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:44 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Video Dave, Some off-topic posts are fine, but should be noted so in the subject. When you just title it "Video", listers rightly expect the video to be about a Kitfox or some other aviation related topic. So this goes for everyone, if you want to post an off-topic message, please put "fluff", "off topic", or some other warning in the header. As you can see, not doing so will get you jumped on my the other members. If you have questions, just contact me or Deke Morisse Don Pearsall List Admin -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Video Guys , I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this very touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could see. Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to everyone. I came across this video and posted here http://www.cfisher.com/ Really hits home on car seats Best regards , Dave ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats From: wwillyard@aol.com I thought this was OK and not really off topic. About a year ago I attended a safety seminar put on by the Michigan Department of Aeronautics that was focused around traveling with children. Child seats were very much a part of this seminar complete with examples of child seat installations in a Cessna 172 and 206. Why would this not apply to a Kitfox as well? Bill W. -----Original Message----- From: brodg@texas.net Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats "Child Car seats"? I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft. I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which we'd like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox aircraft. Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but I'm sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug use, when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention that previously?). Do not archive Brian Rodgers ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > Guys , > > I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this very > touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could see. > Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to > everyone. > > I came across this video and posted here > > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > Really hits home on car seats > > Best regards , > > > Dave > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:39 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." From: Lynn Matteson Deke and Don and the list members- I need a bit of clarification regarding what happens when we add "do not ar-----" to our posts. Does this mean that someone down the line, looking at a particular thread, will not see the post thus marked? Will the "not archi---" message get to the ones who chose to be served by the digest? I get my info via email, and assume I see them all, even the ones marked "d- no- ar-----". But how soon do all of our messages get sent through the D N A "filter" and thus sent to never-never land? As I hope you can tell, I avoided using the phrase "du knot rchive" to avoid this message being so filtered....yet or ever. I have put the operative phrase in my signature, and leave it there for some of the stuff I comment on or write, and take it off when I think the post should "live"...some would say I need to leave it there on all of them. : ) Lynn ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . From: Lynn Matteson With all the talent that this list seems to encompass, it seems unlikely that one person, that being Steve, has hit upon something that no one else seems to support. Has anyone called the FAA or the EAA for confirmation of his suggestions? Steve, have you? For myself, I'm happy to live by the 1200 lb. gross that Skystar has set for my plane, and that I have burned into my data plate, so I have not looked further into the matter. But it seems like such a long, ongoing thread that someone would have put the matter to rest by now, for better or for worse. And forgive me if someone HAS supported Steve's campaign, because I have NOT followed each and every post pertaining to it. Lynn do not archive On Tuesday, November 7, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > Tim: > > You are right. By no means it will be legal to fly that plane with a > Sport Pilot license. > > Jose > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Timothy Colman > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2006 11:50:52 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about > LSA rules. . . > > Ben: > > By the way, back at the beginning of this thread I was the lurker > whoasked one of the first questions about whether Steve was right in > his interpretation of the LSA rules. I really wanted him to be > right. Why? Because I was also the one who wanted to buy your plane > at 1400# and fly it at a gross of 1320#. The consensus seems to be > against that working. Too bad, you have a beauty there. > > Tim Colman > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:19 PM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC VIDEO ON TOPIC WARP DRIVE ISSUE. Well it seems the ones who liked it out number the ones who whined about it .. So if I helped save a child's life then I am happy. I found it very touching and educational for all. If you did not like it, well that is your problem. Sorry but I cannot believe that some get offended about stuff like this but will babble on about other off topic stuff without a word or complaint. Now I just talked to WARP drive about the prop issue and he tell me that I am the only one he has talked to there about this issue. I have no issue with the WARP measurements or how to measure them and I was the one who did measure thanks to Don's head up and I was the test pilot at my expense and time. So if you need answers on your WARP PROP welll call WARP 251-609-0969 ASK for Ron. I made videos lately to help others like GUY who could not tak his Kitfox off in less that 700 to 1000 feet. I hope that I have helped others with these videos and any comments. As you can see I am a pilot and I can fly and I have a heart for children. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Video > > > Dave, > Some off-topic posts are fine, but should be noted so in the subject. When > you just title it "Video", listers rightly expect the video to be about a > Kitfox or some other aviation related topic. > > So this goes for everyone, if you want to post an off-topic message, > please > put "fluff", "off topic", or some other warning in the header. As you can > see, not doing so will get you jumped on my the other members. If you have > questions, just contact me or Deke Morisse > > Don Pearsall > List Admin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:38 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > > Guys , > > I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this very > touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could > see. > > Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to > everyone. > > I came across this video and posted here > > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > Really hits home on car seats > > Best regards , > > > Dave > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:04 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." Lynn, The "Do not archive" message causes the Matronics messaging software to flag the message as one that does not go into the archives. It will get delivered to all subscribers, even the digest subscribers. The problem with using that D.N.A. phrase is that if you respond to a message that does have the "do not archive" text in it, and do not delete the phrase, then the thread will be lost forever. So you can use the phrase, but just be aware that when you do, a lot of good info may be lost. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." Deke and Don and the list members- I need a bit of clarification regarding what happens when we add "do not ar-----" to our posts. Does this mean that someone down the line, looking at a particular thread, will not see the post thus marked? Will the "not archi---" message get to the ones who chose to be served by the digest? I get my info via email, and assume I see them all, even the ones marked "d- no- ar-----". But how soon do all of our messages get sent through the D N A "filter" and thus sent to never-never land? As I hope you can tell, I avoided using the phrase "du knot rchive" to avoid this message being so filtered....yet or ever. I have put the operative phrase in my signature, and leave it there for some of the stuff I comment on or write, and take it off when I think the post should "live"...some would say I need to leave it there on all of them. : ) Lynn ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:35 PM PST US From: "Howard" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Pilots Operating Handbook Does anyone know a source of this information. I have a check pilot that wants to see mine.???? When I bought my Fox, there was no Handbook with the plane. Thanks for your help. Howard ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:49 PM PST US From: "Todd Leiss" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Pilots Operating Handbook Howard, I didn't get one when I bought my plane (Model IV Speedster) from the previous owner. I called John & Debra Mcbean and had one in a few days. The book (pamphlet) is very professionally done, about 50 pages. It covers the Model 4- 1050, the Model 4- 1200, the Model 4 Speedster and the Classic 4. www.Kitfoxaircraft.com Todd Leiss Merritt Island, FL 926JB ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Sent: 11/7/2006 4:56:51 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV Pilots Operating Handbook Does anyone know a source of this information. I have a check pilot that wants to see mine.???? When I bought my Fox, there was no Handbook with the plane. Thanks for your help. Howard ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:04 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Non-aircraft posts Dave, I can appreciate your love for children and their safety. There's not a one of us on this list who feels otherwise. However, what you posted is totally against the rules of the Matronics lists and it only invites what you call "the ones who whined" to ask you to desist. You cannnot decide for yourself which rules you want to respect and the ones you don't want to. There are plenty of other forums for these topics so please, in the future, use those forums. Your cooperations will be appreciated. Deke Morisse List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC VIDEO ON TOPIC WARP DRIVE ISSUE. > > Well it seems the ones who liked it out number the ones who whined about it > . > > So if I helped save a child's life then I am happy. I found it very touching > and educational for all. > If you did not like it, well that is your problem. > > Sorry but I cannot believe that some get offended about stuff like this but > will babble on about other off topic stuff without a word or complaint. > > Now I just talked to WARP drive about the prop issue and he tell me that I > am the only one he has talked to there about this issue. > I have no issue with the WARP measurements or how to measure them and I was > the one who did measure thanks to Don's head up and I was the test pilot at > my expense and time. So if you need answers on your WARP PROP welll call > WARP 251-609-0969 ASK for Ron. > > I made videos lately to help others like GUY who could not tak his Kitfox > off in less that 700 to 1000 feet. > I hope that I have helped others with these videos and any comments. As you > can see I am a pilot and I can fly and I have a heart for children. > > Dave ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:33 PM PST US From: "Rex Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Treaded Tyres Kitfoxes have flown with lawn tractor tires since day one. I have never heard of anyone having an accident, incident or even a flat due to tire "failure". Lancair yes, Kitfox no! Respectfully, Lowell Me either Lowell. I use lawn tractor tyres and love them. I do have wheel pants though and maybe without they might chuck up a bit of rubbish. Originally we ran about 12 lbs pressure but the tyres turned on the rims after a while and pulled the valve stems. I now run 18 PSI and everything is fine. Maybe they are a little harder but then they don't squirm around either. The original buffed down ATV tyres were shocking. I'd never go that way again. Rex. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:47 PM PST US From: "wingsdown" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats Brian your post was longer than his. Rick Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats "Child Car seats"? I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft. I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which we'd like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox aircraft. Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but I'm sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug use, when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention that previously?). Do not archive Brian Rodgers ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > Guys , > > I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this > very touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you > could see. > Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest > to everyone. > > I came across this video and posted here > > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > Really hits home on car seats > > Best regards , > > > Dave > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:52 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Treaded Tyres From: "Tom Jones" Rex, I have an extra set of tires that are the smooth buffed atv tires. I was planing on using them on my classic 4 when my lawn tractor tires wear out. What was "shocking" about yours? Tom Jones Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72926#72926 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:50 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats Dave, Don't apologise, I am a school bus driver and see quite a few auto accidents. The only ones I have seen where kids were injured, they weren't properly secured in the vehicles. Our large busses do not have seat belts but the smaller ones have seat belts and shoulder harnesses. It doesn't hurt at all to be a little off topic if it could possibly save a child from permanent injury. Chuck > [Original Message] > From: dave > To: > Date: 11/7/2006 6:26:48 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > > Brian sorry that you feel that way. > > I thought it was very touching and could help others save a child's life. > I add plenty about Kitfox talk so I appolize that this is off topic. > > Well it got your attention and that was the point of it . > > It worked > > Thanks > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Rodgers" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:51 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > > > > > "Child Car seats"? > > I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the > > discussion of Kitfox aircraft. > > I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which > > we'd > > like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not > > archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough > > drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox > > aircraft. > > Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about > > vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not > > running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not > > playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but > > I'm > > sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug > > use, > > when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention > > that > > previously?). > > > > Do not archive > > Brian Rodgers > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "dave" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > > > > >> > >> Guys , > >> > >> I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this > >> very > >> touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you could > > see. > >> Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > >> We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest to > >> everyone. > >> > >> I came across this video and posted here > >> > >> http://www.cfisher.com/ > >> > >> Really hits home on car seats > >> > >> Best regards , > >> > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:04 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers You will find that the turbo sort of takes the place of an adjustable prop. With your adjustable you are aiming to keep the RPM in the top of the Tq curve, with a correctly matched turbo you have a nice wide flat curve, thus enabling operation near the top over a broad range. I also have an intercooler as well which further helps.~j~ From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers Mic, my S5 is 885 empty and I cruise about 108 ias at 3900 rpm at 22" MP and 4gph fuel flow. I do have the NSI CAP prop which probably accounts for a lot of the performance and also lots of fairings including fuel caps and radiator and wheels. Oil/coolant temp on an 80 degree day are generally around 200f. What type of Soob are you running? Perhaps you don't have enough prop pitch? Normal aspirated or turbo? Deke S5/NSI EA81 normally aspirated and CAP > >those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop >rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is only >80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options >and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list > >thanks >mic > > > >From: "John Anderson" > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers > >Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300 > > > > > > > >Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the prop > >(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just me > >(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100. > >If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I have > >a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you > >with high oil temp and low water. > > > > > > > >From: GENTRYLL@aol.com > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers > >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST > > > > > >I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my > >model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and > >it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17 > >degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It > >climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is > >the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the > >water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30 > >psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000 > >hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it > >in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my > >setup? > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with >Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. >http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 > > _________________________________________________________________ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:53 PM PST US From: "John Anderson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats Please please please, everyone. Don't dare mention anything other that Kitfox y things on this list, see what it does....about 15 mails on the OFF subject....more to come I bet PLEASE DON"T ARCHIVE From: "wingsdown" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats Brian your post was longer than his. Rick Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats "Child Car seats"? I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft. I'm sure that we all have 'interests' other than Kitfox aircraft which we'd like to IMPOSE (I note the subject e-mail does not even use the 'do not archive' courtesy note) upon the other listers, but this list has enough drivel w/o going to "child car seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox aircraft. Let's see, if I were to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about vaccinations, bicycle helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not running with sharp objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not playing in the street (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but I'm sure that discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug use, when this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention that previously?). Do not archive Brian Rodgers ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > Guys , > > I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this > very touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you > could see. > Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest > to everyone. > > I came across this video and posted here > > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > Really hits home on car seats > > Best regards , > > > Dave > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question for Don & Deke re "do not..." From: Lynn Matteson Thanks, Don...I hadn't given a thought to the re-posting of a message with "D.N.A." included. I'll keep that in mind. Lynn On Tuesday, November 7, 2006, at 03:30 PM, Don Pearsall wrote: > > > The problem with using that D.N.A. phrase is that if you respond to a > message that does have the "do not archive" text in it, and do not > delete > the phrase, then the thread will be lost forever. > > So you can use the phrase, but just be aware that when you do, a lot > of good > info may be lost. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:05 PM PST US From: "Brian Rodgers" Subject: Kitfox-List: WAY off topic Thanks Rick, but you're not the first to comment about my long post or to note that it is longer than another fella's..... Brian Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingsdown" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > Brian your post was longer than his. > > Rick > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian > Rodgers > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:52 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: child car seats > > > > "Child Car seats"? > I was pretty sure that the purpose of this e-mail list was for the > discussion of Kitfox aircraft. I'm sure that we all have 'interests' > other than Kitfox aircraft which we'd like to IMPOSE (I note the subject > e-mail does not even use the 'do not archive' courtesy note) upon the > other listers, but this list has enough drivel w/o going to "child car > seats" which have no direct tie to Kitfox aircraft. Let's see, if I were > to continue the 'safety theme', I could talk about vaccinations, bicycle > helmets, not running around the swimming pool, not running with sharp > objects, safety glasses, oh, maybe "earplugs", not playing in the street > (oops, there's that 'car' theme again), etc., but I'm sure that > discussion would just lead to 'school shootings' or teen drug use, when > this list is for the discussion of Kitfox aircraft (did I mention that > previously?). > > Do not archive > Brian Rodgers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dave" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:38 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Video > > > > > > Guys , > > > > I hope no one find this intrusive to your site but I came across this > > very touching video clip on Child Car seats. I put it on a link so you > > > could > see. > > Our kids use booster seats as well once over 40 lbs. > > We have kids in our families and lives so this should be of interest > > to everyone. > > > > I came across this video and posted here > > > > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > > > Really hits home on car seats > > > > Best regards , > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:12 PM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Treaded Tyres What i cant figure out is why anyone would take a 20. dollar tire grind off the lugs or tread and then charge 125. dollars for them . And some of us were just smart enought to buy them lol . I buy KENDA tires now i like the straight lugs better than the small square ones that the CHENG SHIN tires have. Have never had another flat since running the treaded tires on my Kitfox 2 . Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD TD/ Straight floats Hot pink IVO Inflight ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:41 PM PST US From: "Jay Fabian" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL Hi List, I have a 912 UL with 145 tthours. It had a rough spot at about 3000-3200 rpms on the ground or in the air. I have checked and regapped the plugs to .028, cleaned out the bowls on the carbs, cleaned off the neddle and dome area, sanded the ground wire lugs for the coils to get a good ground. Checked the carb Ballance -its ok. It all has not helped at all, even makes the rough ness worse some times. Going from 2k rpms- 3k rpms it is almost like it is bogging down, and you have to sort of pump the throttle to get the rpms past the 3-3.2 k mark. Doing the mag check it is very rough on each side also, and I am using gas with the 10 % methanol( exact amount unknown ) My qquestion is any ideas on the cause, there was no visible dirt or matter in the bowls either????? I am going to try and put in new plugs and then try some AV gas instead. Let me know what you think Thanks Jay