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0. 12:12 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Matt Dralle)
1. 09:28 PM - Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... (Matt Dralle)
2. 01:53 AM - Re: Treaded Tyres (Kevin Ridsdale)
3. 01:53 AM - Re: Treaded Tyres (Kevin Ridsdale)
4. 01:55 AM - Re: Re: Treaded Tyres (Kevin Ridsdale)
5. 01:59 AM - Re: Tires (Kevin Ridsdale)
6. 01:59 AM - Re: Re: Tires (Kevin Ridsdale)
7. 02:00 AM - Re: Re: Tires (Kevin Ridsdale)
8. 04:32 AM - Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (n61kf)
9. 04:51 AM - Re: Treaded Tyres (john perry)
10. 04:51 AM - Re: Treaded Tyres (Fox5flyer)
11. 05:11 AM - Re: Treaded Tyres (john perry)
12. 05:19 AM - Just where is this list going? (Brian Rodgers)
13. 05:51 AM - Re: Just where is this list going? (Peter Graichen)
14. 06:00 AM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (dcsfoto)
15. 06:00 AM - Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (84KF)
16. 06:16 AM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Peter Graichen)
17. 06:29 AM - Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (84KF)
18. 06:39 AM - [OFF-TOPIC]: Just where is this list going? (Michel Verheughe)
19. 06:43 AM - Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers (Peter Graichen)
20. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (Timothy Colman)
21. 07:24 AM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (kurt schrader)
22. 07:26 AM - Re: Just where is this list going? (Jim Gilliatt)
23. 07:38 AM - Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers (Margaret Hastedt)
24. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (Noel Loveys)
25. 08:08 AM - Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (84KF)
26. 08:25 AM - IvoProp Numbers (crazyivan)
27. 08:30 AM - Kitfox List Rules (Fox5flyer)
28. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (Fox5flyer)
29. 08:50 AM - Re: Kitfox List Rules (Patrick Kelly)
30. 09:51 AM - Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . (84KF)
31. 10:03 AM - Re: IvoProp Numbers (JC Propellerdesign)
32. 10:22 AM - Re: IvoProp Numbers (Noel Loveys)
33. 10:29 AM - Re: Kitfox List Rules (Noel Loveys)
34. 10:29 AM - Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
35. 10:49 AM - Re: IvoProp Numbers (Ben-PA)
36. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: IvoProp Numbers (Ben Baltrusaitis)
37. 12:24 PM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (Lowell Fitt)
38. 12:55 PM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (Torgeir Mortensen)
39. 01:05 PM - Re: Kitfox List Rules (Fox5flyer)
40. 01:26 PM - Re: IvoProp Numbers (crazyivan)
41. 01:38 PM - Subject: Re: Treaded Tyres (Joe & Jan Connell)
42. 01:39 PM - Re: IvoProp Numbers (Torgeir Mortensen)
43. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: IvoProp Numbers (JC Propellerdesign)
44. 03:52 PM - Re: Kitfox List Rules (Patrick Kelly)
45. 04:30 PM - Patrick Kelly (john perry)
46. 05:01 PM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (kurt schrader)
47. 06:29 PM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (Jay Fabian)
48. 08:17 PM - Re: Kitfox List Rules (jakelewis)
49. 09:03 PM - Re: Kitfox List administrators (Ceashman@AOL.COM)
50. 11:11 PM - Re: Kitfox List administrators (John Anderson)
51. 11:22 PM - Re: Kitfox List administrators (Matt Dralle)
52. 11:33 PM - Re: Rough Running 912 UL (JC Propellerdesign)
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info@matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
Rex,
Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
here are the specs
Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
Max PSI: 10 PSI
Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
Max Section Width: 11.97
contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
--- Rex Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Kitfoxes have flown with lawn tractor tires since
> day one. I have never
> heard of anyone having an accident, incident or even
> a flat due to tire
> "failure". Lancair yes, Kitfox no!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lowell
>
> Me either Lowell. I use lawn tractor tyres and love
> them. I do have wheel pants though and maybe without
> they might chuck up a bit of rubbish. Originally we
> ran about 12 lbs pressure but the tyres turned on
> the rims after a while and pulled the valve stems. I
> now run 18 PSI and everything is fine. Maybe they
> are a little harder but then they don't squirm
> around either. The original buffed down ATV tyres
> were shocking. I'd never go that way again.
>
> Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
John,
Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
here are the specs
Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
Max PSI: 10 PSI
Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
Max Section Width: 11.97
contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
--- john perry <eskflyer@lvcisp.com> wrote:
> What i cant figure out is why anyone would take a
> 20. dollar tire grind off the lugs or tread and then
> charge 125. dollars for them . And some of us were
> just smart enought to buy them lol . I buy KENDA
> tires now i like the straight lugs better than the
> small square ones that the CHENG SHIN tires have.
> Have never had another flat since running the
> treaded tires on my Kitfox 2 .
>
> Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PD
> TD/ Straight floats
> Hot pink IVO Inflight
>
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
Tom,
Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
here are the specs
Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
Max PSI: 10 PSI
Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
Max Section Width: 11.97
contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
--- Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
> <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
> Rex,
> I have an extra set of tires that are the smooth
> buffed atv tires. I was planing on using them on my
> classic 4 when my lawn tractor tires wear out. What
> was "shocking" about yours?
> Tom Jones
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72926#72926
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com
> Admin.
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>
>
>
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Mike,
Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
here are the specs
Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
Max PSI: 10 PSI
Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
Max Section Width: 11.97
contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
--- Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@swoca.net> wrote:
> I changed tires on my Cub Cadet and have two good 20
> x 9 8NHS 2 ply tires.
> These tires have the turf style tread.
>
> My question is, I can think of no reason why I
> couldn't use these tires on
> my Model IV except maybe for the tread and I think
> the tire may be a bit
> taller? What are the thoughts of some of the list
> members on this subject.
>
> Mike C.
>
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Lowell,
Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
here are the specs
Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
Max PSI: 10 PSI
Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
Max Section Width: 11.97
contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Kitfoxes have flown with lawn tractor tires since
> day one. I have never
> heard of anyone having an accident, incident or even
> a flat due to tire
> "failure". Lancair yes, Kitfox no!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:33 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tires
>
>
> <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
> >
> > See if the manufacturer can provide a weight and
> speed rating. The forces
> > on the tread of a spinning tire cna be incredible.
> > Bob
> > A&P, Aero Eng
> >
> > --------
> > Remember that internet advice may only be worth
> what you pay.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72608#72608
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com
> Admin.
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>
>
>
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Bob,
Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
here are the specs
Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
Max PSI: 10 PSI
Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
Max Section Width: 11.97
contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
--- Bob <dswaim1119@comcast.net> wrote:
> <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
>
> See if the manufacturer can provide a weight and
> speed rating. The forces on the tread of a spinning
> tire cna be incredible.
> Bob
> A&P, Aero Eng
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what
> you pay.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72608#72608
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com
> Admin.
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . |
.
List,
I have attached a scan from the most recant EAA Sport Pilot magazine,Q&A page (
see the question fron D. Williamson)
The answer defenatly states the EAA position on the LSA weight question.
--------
Keith
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73065#73065
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/eaastance__196.tif
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
Kevin if you would have read all my post you would have seen i now buy Kenda
tires. They are 20 bucks a piece and have straight lugs . The tires are 20 x
7 x 8 ,Your tires are 12 inches wide and alot more drag.. and cost alot more
for a 2 ply gonna get a flat cuzz of the goat head and thorns and rocks i
fly of . also i do not pay any shipping . By the way in my opinion one post
on your part would have been much better .
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Ridsdale" <ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Treaded Tyres
> <ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
>
> John,
> Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
> not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
> tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
> Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
> here are the specs
> Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
>
> Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
>
> Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
>
> Max PSI: 10 PSI
>
> Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
>
> Max Section Width: 11.97
>
> contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
> webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
>
> --- john perry <eskflyer@lvcisp.com> wrote:
>
>> What i cant figure out is why anyone would take a
>> 20. dollar tire grind off the lugs or tread and then
>> charge 125. dollars for them . And some of us were
>> just smart enought to buy them lol . I buy KENDA
>> tires now i like the straight lugs better than the
>> small square ones that the CHENG SHIN tires have.
>> Have never had another flat since running the
>> treaded tires on my Kitfox 2 .
>>
>> Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
>> John Perry
>> Kitfox 2 N718PD
>> TD/ Straight floats
>> Hot pink IVO Inflight
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
Kevin, answering a message with an offer to sell something of yours is fine,
but answering five in a row to sell the same product smells of spam.
Deke Morisse
List Administrator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Ridsdale" <ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Treaded Tyres
<ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com>
>
> John,
> Why are you guys spending that much for tires that are
> not made for Foxes, these guys sell world wide Kit Fox
> tires 2 for $27.50 plus shipping $65.00 to the EU and
> Alaska and only $25.00 to the continentail USA
> here are the specs
> Tire Size: 21 X 12 X 8 2 Ply Tubeless
>
> Rim Width: 7" min to 9.5" max
>
> Max load: 730 Pounds/ tire
>
> Max PSI: 10 PSI
>
> Overall Tire Dia.: 20.98
>
> Max Section Width: 11.97
>
> contact Kevin at MiPPi Uultalights 734-377-2670 or
> webmaster@mipoweparachute.com
>
> --- john perry <eskflyer@lvcisp.com> wrote:
>
> > What i cant figure out is why anyone would take a
> > 20. dollar tire grind off the lugs or tread and then
> > charge 125. dollars for them . And some of us were
> > just smart enought to buy them lol . I buy KENDA
> > tires now i like the straight lugs better than the
> > small square ones that the CHENG SHIN tires have.
> > Have never had another flat since running the
> > treaded tires on my Kitfox 2 .
> >
> > Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
> > John Perry
> > Kitfox 2 N718PD
> > TD/ Straight floats
> > Hot pink IVO Inflight
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
Thank you Deke
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
FLying Kenda 20x 7 x 8
With tread
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Treaded Tyres
>
> Kevin, answering a message with an offer to sell something of yours is
> fine,
> but answering five in a row to sell the same product smells of spam.
> Deke Morisse
> List Administrator
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| Subject: | Just where is this list going? |
Now that the list has degenerated from talking about Kitfox aircraft into:
1) a child car seat discussion forum (Matronics has a "General Interests
e-mail list for 90% of you)
2) a place to argue about FAA rules (there's only one interpretation that
matters, the FAA's, not y'alls)
3) an advertising opportunity for tire marketing
4) the Canadian enviromental / political viewpoint expression outlet
5) a place to spread opinions and other forms of disinformation on subjects
about which you know absolutely nothing
it's time to leave you to it. I hit the 'delete' button way more now than I
used to with this list.
The above does not apply to the silent majority with sparse, but very
helpful advice.
Enjoy.
Brian
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| Subject: | Just where is this list going? |
I agree with you whole heartedly. Let's get back to basics!
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers
Sent: Wednesday, 08 November, 2006 08:20
Subject: Kitfox-List: Just where is this list going?
Now that the list has degenerated from talking about Kitfox aircraft into:
1) a child car seat discussion forum (Matronics has a "General Interests
e-mail list for 90% of you)
2) a place to argue about FAA rules (there's only one interpretation that
matters, the FAA's, not y'alls)
3) an advertising opportunity for tire marketing
4) the Canadian enviromental / political viewpoint expression outlet
5) a place to spread opinions and other forms of disinformation on subjects
about which you know absolutely nothing
it's time to leave you to it. I hit the 'delete' button way more now than I
used to with this list.
The above does not apply to the silent majority with sparse, but very
helpful advice.
Enjoy.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
my 912 runs good but in if I try to run in the 3000-3200 range it seems to run
rough or vibrate more. I just avoid that rpm spot
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73080#73080
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . |
.
You have been provided with the rulings and definitions right from the FAA regulatory
documents, but some guy name Joe, who never did any reasearch and is paraphrasing
out of context is your source?
Read the regulatory information, ..and think...for yourself.
Steve
--------
Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73082#73082
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Yet! :-)
Hello Matt:
Tried to make my contribution today but received message "Your Credit Card
Has Been Declined".
The information that I entered was correct and I assure you my credit card
is okay as well.
I'll try to send a check.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, 08 November, 2006 03:12
Subject: Kitfox-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
Yet! :-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
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I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of years now, but
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Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . |
.
Just to show the irony in "Joe's" profound ultimation"...
My 1400 lb. Series 5 is still in"phase 1". and has newer BEEN operated , since
it's so called certification (when it recieved it's AW cert.) at over 1320 lbs
during that time. so according to his NON- FAA APPROVED opinion it STILL is
eligible.
Well ??? which is it?
See what happens when one tries to paraphrase and then state the FAA rulings in
their OWN language?
Steve
--------
Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73088#73088
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| Subject: | Just where is this list going? |
> From: Brian Rodgers [brodg@texas.net]
> Now that the list has degenerated from talking about Kitfox aircraft into:
I agree. However - and for the sake of friendship - a small amount of "small talk"
should be allowed; provided that one writes OFF-TOPIC in the title (as I did),
and "do not archive" at the end of the email (as I did).
I don't read eveything. I have a Jabiru engine; postings about the Rotax and Subaru
don't interest me. The courteous thing then is to indicate the subject in
the title, and change it when the subject changes. As simple as that.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
Gentlemen:
You must be talking about turbo-charged NSI EA81s if you use oil coolers.
The normally aspirated engine does not need an oilcooler. The oil will
always be the same as the water temperature. I have run extensive
instrumented tests to prove it.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
Oil to water cooler, fits on the filter body.
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
I would say your scales were more accurate than mine but not by that much.
The only things missing off the plane were the wood farings for the wing and
landing gear struts. Instruments are basic, no radios or wheel pants. It is
a 1050 and not a 1200. I really only entered the weight in the tread so
someone could tell me if my speed/rpm/pitch relationship sounded right. By
the way, I like the oil cooler idea for the oil temp but after looking on
the internet at the oil filter adapter, I don't think I could get it on
because you can't hardly get a filter on it now due to clearance with the
motor mount.
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. |
. .
My sense is that this argument has become an intellectual one for you Steve. For
me it is not intellectual. The rules, and FAA's interpretation of them, will
dictate exactly what I fly. I have seen fairly authoritative sources say that
you are wrong, and someone posted a page from an EAA publication that definitely
says you are wrong. I speak as someone who would love for you to be right.
The difference between you and me is that I am not willing to spend tons of money
on the chance that you are right. Can you get an FAA source to publicly agree
with you? If not let's all agree to move on.
Tim Colman
----- Original Message ----
From: 84KF <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2006 8:29:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. .
.
Just to show the irony in "Joe's" profound ultimation"...
My 1400 lb. Series 5 is still in"phase 1". and has newer BEEN operated , since
it's so called certification (when it recieved it's AW cert.) at over 1320 lbs
during that time. so according to his NON- FAA APPROVED opinion it STILL is
eligible.
Well ??? which is it?
See what happens when one tries to paraphrase and then state the FAA rulings in
their OWN language?
Steve
--------
Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73088#73088
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
Sounds lean and not safe to fly. Make sure you get
that fixed first. You may be a bit lean overall and
that range is just the worst of the bunch. How are
your EGTs?
Kurt S. S-5
--- Jay Fabian <experimental208nd@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi List,
> I have a 912 UL with 145 tthours. It had a rough
> spot at about 3000-3200 rpms on the ground or in the
> air.
> I have checked and regapped the plugs to .028,
> cleaned out the bowls on the carbs,
> cleaned off the neddle and dome area, sanded the
> ground wire lugs for the coils to get a good ground.
> Checked the carb Ballance -its ok.
> It all has not helped at all, even makes the rough
> ness worse some times. Going from 2k rpms- 3k rpms
> it is almost like it is bogging down, and you have
> to sort of pump the throttle to get the rpms past
> the 3-3.2 k mark.
>
> Doing the mag check it is very rough on each side
> also, and I am using gas with the 10 % methanol(
> exact amount unknown )
>
> My qquestion is any ideas on the cause, there was no
> visible dirt or matter in the bowls either?????
>
> I am going to try and put in new plugs and then try
> some AV gas instead.
>
> Let me know what you think
> Thanks
> Jay
Want to start your own business?
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
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| Subject: | Re: Just where is this list going? |
Brian Rodgers wrote:
>
>Now that the list has degenerated from talking about Kitfox aircraft into:
>1) a child car seat discussion forum (Matronics has a "General Interests
>e-mail list for 90% of you)
>2) a place to argue about FAA rules (there's only one interpretation that
>matters, the FAA's, not y'alls)
>3) an advertising opportunity for tire marketing
>4) the Canadian enviromental / political viewpoint expression outlet
>5) a place to spread opinions and other forms of disinformation on subjects
>about which you know absolutely nothing
>
>it's time to leave you to it. I hit the 'delete' button way more now than I
>used to with this list.
>The above does not apply to the silent majority with sparse, but very
>helpful advice.
>Enjoy.
>Brian
>
>
>
>
Amen to your comments, Brian. My delete button is wearing out.
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| Subject: | EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
Please give us details on that oil-to-water cooler! My non-turbo EA-81's oil temps
are always much higher than the water temp (230+ deg. vs. 175 tops). No
thermostat yet. I was just about to try my friend's external oil cooler, but
would love info on alternatives as well. I don't have a lot of room for filter
add-ons though.
Thanks in advance,
-Margaret H.
Classic IV
College Station, TX
>>> n10pg@neo.rr.com 11/6/2006 7:06 PM >>>
Gentlemen:
You must be talking about turbo-charged NSI EA81s if you use oil coolers.
The normally aspirated engine does not need an oilcooler. The oil will
always be the same as the water temperature. I have run extensive
instrumented tests to prove it.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
Oil to water cooler, fits on the filter body.
From: GENTRYLL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
I would say your scales were more accurate than mine but not by that much.
The only things missing off the plane were the wood farings for the wing and
landing gear struts. Instruments are basic, no radios or wheel pants. It is
a 1050 and not a 1200. I really only entered the weight in the tread so
someone could tell me if my speed/rpm/pitch relationship sounded right. By
the way, I like the oil cooler idea for the oil temp but after looking on
the internet at the oil filter adapter, I don't think I could get it on
because you can't hardly get a filter on it now due to clearance with the
motor mount.
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. |
. .
Just reading the mail here.
It appears that if Steve is true to his convictions he should take the FAA
to court ( after all it's a free country ) and let the chips fall where they
may. If he can't afford to do that .... Too bad you will have to live with
what ever FAA says their interpretation of their regulations are.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Timothy Colman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:39 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is
> right about LSA rules. . .
>
>
>
> My sense is that this argument has become an intellectual one
> for you Steve. For me it is not intellectual. The rules,
> and FAA's interpretation of them, will dictate exactly what I
> fly. I have seen fairly authoritative sources say that you
> are wrong, and someone posted a page from an EAA publication
> that definitely says you are wrong. I speak as someone who
> would love for you to be right.
>
> The difference between you and me is that I am not willing to
> spend tons of money on the chance that you are right. Can
> you get an FAA source to publicly agree with you? If not
> let's all agree to move on.
>
> Tim Colman
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: 84KF <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2006 8:29:02 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right
> about LSA rules. . .
>
>
>
> Just to show the irony in "Joe's" profound ultimation"...
> My 1400 lb. Series 5 is still in"phase 1". and has newer
> BEEN operated , since it's so called certification (when it
> recieved it's AW cert.) at over 1320 lbs during that time. so
> according to his NON- FAA APPROVED opinion it STILL is eligible.
> Well ??? which is it?
> See what happens when one tries to paraphrase and then state
> the FAA rulings in their OWN language?
>
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding
> wings!!!)
> New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade.
> Thanks to the late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73088#73088
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . |
.
When you read , and understand, the rules and regulations you will learn, beyond
a shadow of doubt, and in proper English, that :
1) You may fly a 1550 design weight amateur-built aircraft under sport pilot privileges.,
2) You may remove the in-flight adjustable propeller from you amateur-built aircraft
and install a fixed pitch propeller, and still be eligible for use under
sport pilot privileges.
3) The since words original certification has continued to meet the following is
only applicable to aircraft manufactured under TC or TCDS.
4) That the actual mass of the aircraft , at the time of takeoff, is, at that
time, the determining factor., not a design weight, or any other interpretation
of maximum takeoff weight
These are your privileges, that the FAA has stated are not affected , so as amateur-
homebuilt status we just move along. We are not involved that much in
their certification and regulation process , which is the issue to them. Not
our silly design weight.
This is not an opinion. These are the facts and they are correct.
--------
Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73126#73126
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After replacing my GSC Prop with an IvoProp Here are a few numbers for comparison.
I have a Kitfox Speedster with a 912 UL (80hp). These aren't strict test
condition numbers but they are close...
Conditions: temp-50F Wind
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73129#73129
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| Subject: | Kitfox List Rules |
Folks, Don and I have really tried to sit on our hands while letting the
list members do most of the policing here. However, it hasn't been
working very well and this list is basically turning into a chat forum
for whatever anyone feels they want to chat about. That is not what
this list is about and now we have people leaving the list because of
the amount of so called "off topic" rhetoric. Just because one puts
"off topic" or "fluff" in the subject line does not entitle one to post
whatever one feels they are inclined. This is a Kitfox list and is
primarily focused on Kitfox related discussions and issues. We've
always allowed some leeway for the occasional fluff, and the occasional
personal sale of products, and even the reasonable offering of
commercial products produced by Kitfox list members.
What has slowly happened is the list has degenerated and we need to get
it back on track so that our members can get back to focusing on what
they joined this list for. If any of you are not Kitfox owners or
builders and just want to lurk here, that's fine and you're welcome.
Just obey the rules (you all received a set when you subscribed) jump in
to the thread when you have a question or something meaningful to add.
Now, just a couple more things.
Please, before you post, look at your message and ask yourself it is
pertinent/relevant and meaningful before you hit send. If you aren't
sure then either delete it or let it set for a while. Often you'll have
a different perspective at a later time.
By all means, use the "do n*t arch*ve" when necessary. All it does is
keep that message from being saved in the archives. Everyone will still
receive it.
Do not make up your own rules just because it suits you. This list is
for all 500+ of us and for list harmony it's important that we follow
the guidelines set up for it. I'm requesting your cooperation on this.
The list health is important.
Before any of you respond to this please ask yourself it's in the best
interest of the list. Also, neither Don nor I get paid for this and we
don't enjoy having to write these letters so please think twice before
throwing any rocks.
One last thing. Matt Dralle works very hard to provide this forum for
us. Just in case some of you don't realize it, this list is NOT FREE.
Currently Matt is running his annual fund raiser for your much need
contribution. Please be as generous as your wallet allows to keep the
Matronics lists running. Thanks.
Below, I've pasted the list rules. Please read them. Thanks to all of
you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Deke Morisse and Don Pearsall
Kitfox List Administrators
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. |
. .
Steve, I admire your tenacity. However, you've made your point many times
over and it's time to put this topic to bed.
Thanks,
Deke Morisse
List Administrator
----- Original Message -----
From: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA
rules. . .
>
> When you read , and understand, the rules and regulations you will learn,
beyond a shadow of doubt, and in proper English, that :
>
> 1) You may fly a 1550 design weight amateur-built aircraft under sport
pilot privileges.,
>
> 2) You may remove the in-flight adjustable propeller from you
?oamateur-built? aircraft and install a fixed pitch propeller, and still
be eligible for use under sport pilot privileges.
>
> 3) The since words ?ooriginal certification has continued to meet the
following? is only applicable to aircraft manufactured under TC or TCDS.
>
> 4) That the actual ?omass? of the aircraft , at the time of takeoff,
is, at that time, the determining factor., not a design weight, or any other
interpretation of ?omaximum takeoff weight?
>
> These are your privileges, that the FAA has stated are not affected , so
as ?oamateur- homebuilt? status we just move along. We are not involved
that much in their certification and regulation process , which is the
issue to them. Not our silly design weight.
>
> This is not an opinion. These are the facts and they are correct.
>
> --------
> Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
> New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the
late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73126#73126
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox List Rules |
I just signed up for this the other night and am still trying to figure
the
system out, as it seems i am getting 2 of every thing in my email. plus
it
appears that this is not just about kitfoxes but whatever. I am brand
new
at this but this is ready to have me leave all ready and I looked at it
for
a day. So I probably wont be staying, I didnt see anything about money
contributions ect either when i joined up, not that i wouldnt
contribute
but not to only having looked at it for a day and start getting those
also
plus nothing about kitfoxs.....am i doing something wrong? the threads
dont
continue or anything......LOst
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
Folks, Don and I have really tried to sit on our hands while letting the
list members do most of the policing here. However, it hasn't been
working
very well and this list is basically turning into a chat forum for
whatever
anyone feels they want to chat about. That is not what this list is
about
and now we have people leaving the list because of the amount of so
called
"off topic" rhetoric. Just because one puts "off topic" or "fluff" in
the
subject line does not entitle one to post whatever one feels they are
inclined. This is a Kitfox list and is primarily focused on Kitfox
related
discussions and issues. We've always allowed some leeway for the
occasional
fluff, and the occasional personal sale of products, and even the
reasonable
offering of commercial products produced by Kitfox list members.
What has slowly happened is the list has degenerated and we need to get
it
back on track so that our members can get back to focusing on what they
joined this list for. If any of you are not Kitfox owners or builders
and
just want to lurk here, that's fine and you're welcome. Just obey the
rules
(you all received a set when you subscribed) jump in to the thread when
you
have a question or something meaningful to add.
Now, just a couple more things.
Please, before you post, look at your message and ask yourself it is
pertinent/relevant and meaningful before you hit send. If you aren't
sure
then either delete it or let it set for a while. Often you'll have a
different perspective at a later time.
By all means, use the "do n*t arch*ve" when necessary. All it does is
keep
that message from being saved in the archives. Everyone will still
receive
it.
Do not make up your own rules just because it suits you. This list is
for
all 500+ of us and for list harmony it's important that we follow the
guidelines set up for it. I'm requesting your cooperation on this. The
list
health is important.
Before any of you respond to this please ask yourself it's in the best
interest of the list. Also, neither Don nor I get paid for this and we
don't enjoy having to write these letters so please think twice before
throwing any rocks.
One last thing. Matt Dralle works very hard to provide this forum for
us.
Just in case some of you don't realize it, this list is NOT FREE.
Currently Matt is running his annual fund raiser for your much need
contribution. Please be as generous as your wallet allows to keep the
Matronics lists running. Thanks.
Below, I've pasted the list rules. Please read them. Thanks to all of
you
for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Deke Morisse and Don Pearsall
Kitfox List Administrators
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: Basic question : If Steve is right about LSA rules. . |
.
To all,
In case you havent noticed, I have a lot time on my hands. Life is good.
If I have a question about LSA issues , I need the correct answer, from someone
who is irreproachable
I go straight to the source. In this case:
Federal Register: July 27, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 143) Page 44771-44882
Certification of Aircraft and Airmen for the Operation of Light-Sport Aircraft
As we all know, when you ask the FAA anything, its not a cut and dry situation.
The same here. It requires over 100 (110) pages.. over 103,000 words, to address
all the issues and clarify each as to leave no loopholes or room for interpretation.
I do not interpret , I verify, confirm or disallow, according to
the determining regulatory publication.
Just my opinion when a reply is to be made to a subject, Use the REPLY TO button
on the bottom of the last post . This maintains continuity of the subject,
and does not clutter the master page with repeated postings. Yes, I find this
a distraction (too) and has the perception of an argument, as compared to an
ongoing discussion of a specific topic that is very selectable.
Does perhaps posting from an off site access page break the continuity? It seems
that off site readers do not have the features available to go with the flow?
I dont know.
Anyway, Im done. This is my last reply to any of the issues I presented for comment
and discussion. If it will reduce the tension provoked by the argumentative
and misinformed, so be it.
I will continue to lurk, and gleen the wonderful technical info as it progresses.
Deke, Thanks for your patience
steve
--------
Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
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| Subject: | Re: IvoProp Numbers |
-50F is very cold. ;-)
Did you have the same WOT RPM so you don't compeer apples with pears.
Dave got 102 with Warp and 104 with GSC but a little colder giving 2 HP
or so more explaining one (1) MPH
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: crazyivan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: IvoProp Numbers
After replacing my GSC Prop with an IvoProp Here are a few numbers for
comparison. I have a Kitfox Speedster with a 912 UL (80hp). These
aren't strict test condition numbers but they are close...
Conditions: temp-50F Wind
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
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Are we missing something here???
Do not archive
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:55 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: IvoProp Numbers
>
>
>
> After replacing my GSC Prop with an IvoProp Here are a few
> numbers for comparison. I have a Kitfox Speedster with a 912
> UL (80hp). These aren't strict test condition numbers but
> they are close...
>
> Conditions: temp-50F Wind
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73129#73129
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox List Rules |
Pat:
don't get too disappointed too fast.... This seems to be the beginning
of
the silly season and in that I include myself.
In the past few months there have been many topics relevant to
purchasing,
maintaining, building and operating these fine aircraft. I have no
doubt
that in short order we will all get back on the tracks.
Are you interested in buying, building or flying???
Noel
Model III-A, 582 B box, Aerocet Floats.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
I just signed up for this the other night and am still trying to figure
the
system out, as it seems i am getting 2 of every thing in my email. plus
it
appears that this is not just about kitfoxes but whatever. I am brand
new
at this but this is ready to have me leave all ready and I looked at it
for
a day. So I probably wont be staying, I didnt see anything about money
contributions ect either when i joined up, not that i wouldnt
contribute
but not to only having looked at it for a day and start getting those
also
plus nothing about kitfoxs.....am i doing something wrong? the threads
dont
continue or anything......LOst
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
Folks, Don and I have really tried to sit on our hands while letting the
list members do most of the policing here. However, it hasn't been
working
very well and this list is basically turning into a chat forum for
whatever
anyone feels they want to chat about. That is not what this list is
about
and now we have people leaving the list because of the amount of so
called
"off topic" rhetoric. Just because one puts "off topic" or "fluff" in
the
subject line does not entitle one to post whatever one feels they are
inclined. This is a Kitfox list and is primarily focused on Kitfox
related
discussions and issues. We've always allowed some leeway for the
occasional
fluff, and the occasional personal sale of products, and even the
reasonable
offering of commercial products produced by Kitfox list members.
What has slowly happened is the list has degenerated and we need to get
it
back on track so that our members can get back to focusing on what they
joined this list for. If any of you are not Kitfox owners or builders
and
just want to lurk here, that's fine and you're welcome. Just obey the
rules
(you all received a set when you subscribed) jump in to the thread when
you
have a question or something meaningful to add.
Now, just a couple more things.
Please, before you post, look at your message and ask yourself it is
pertinent/relevant and meaningful before you hit send. If you aren't
sure
then either delete it or let it set for a while. Often you'll have a
different perspective at a later time.
By all means, use the "do n*t arch*ve" when necessary. All it does is
keep
that message from being saved in the archives. Everyone will still
receive
it.
Do not make up your own rules just because it suits you. This list is
for
all 500+ of us and for list harmony it's important that we follow the
guidelines set up for it. I'm requesting your cooperation on this. The
list
health is important.
Before any of you respond to this please ask yourself it's in the best
interest of the list. Also, neither Don nor I get paid for this and we
don't enjoy having to write these letters so please think twice before
throwing any rocks.
One last thing. Matt Dralle works very hard to provide this forum for
us.
Just in case some of you don't realize it, this list is NOT FREE.
Currently Matt is running his annual fund raiser for your much need
contribution. Please be as generous as your wallet allows to keep the
Matronics lists running. Thanks.
Below, I've pasted the list rules. Please read them. Thanks to all of
you
for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Deke Morisse and Don Pearsall
Kitfox List Administrators
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
Margaret couldn't have said it better. I made the initial thread and my oil
temp is 250 with a water temp of 150. The wrap around heat sinks sold in
Spruce for around $30.00 would be the easiest fix if it truly reduces temps by
12%. Anybody know if it works.
I also was just looking at my oil pan which is a dry sump and on an NSI is
only about an inch from the muffler which is strapped on botton, crossing
over to each side. Would putting a layer of insulating material on bottom of
the sump possibly work?
Is there possibly a mechanical reason for the diff in temp of the oil and
water?
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| Subject: | Re: IvoProp Numbers |
Noel,
I didn't get the numbers either. They are on the web page.
Conditions: temp-50F Wind
--------
Sign up on the Kitfox Frappr Map:
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
You can see where fellow Kitfoxers live and pictures of their planes. Be sure to
post some pictures of you, your plane, or share the scenery of the Kitfox world.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73165#73165
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| Subject: | Re: IvoProp Numbers |
That's weird, I copied and pasted the specs and they didn't come through
on the email just like the original.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben-PA
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 11/08/2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: IvoProp Numbers
Noel,
I didn't get the numbers either. They are on the web page.
Conditions: temp-50F Wind
--------
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http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
You can see where fellow Kitfoxers live and pictures of their planes.
Be sure to post some pictures of you, your plane, or share the scenery
of the Kitfox world.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73165#73165
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
Kurt,
This might be right on the money. One of the local 912 guys got rid of his
rough spot by raising the needle one notch. I followed suit.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Sounds lean and not safe to fly. Make sure you get
> that fixed first. You may be a bit lean overall and
> that range is just the worst of the bunch. How are
> your EGTs?
>
> Kurt S. S-5
>
> --- Jay Fabian <experimental208nd@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi List,
>> I have a 912 UL with 145 tthours. It had a rough
>> spot at about 3000-3200 rpms on the ground or in the
>> air.
>> I have checked and regapped the plugs to .028,
>> cleaned out the bowls on the carbs,
>> cleaned off the neddle and dome area, sanded the
>> ground wire lugs for the coils to get a good ground.
>> Checked the carb Ballance -its ok.
>> It all has not helped at all, even makes the rough
>> ness worse some times. Going from 2k rpms- 3k rpms
>> it is almost like it is bogging down, and you have
>> to sort of pump the throttle to get the rpms past
>> the 3-3.2 k mark.
>>
>> Doing the mag check it is very rough on each side
>> also, and I am using gas with the 10 % methanol(
>> exact amount unknown )
>>
>> My qquestion is any ideas on the cause, there was no
>> visible dirt or matter in the bowls either?????
>>
>> I am going to try and put in new plugs and then try
>> some AV gas instead.
>>
>> Let me know what you think
>> Thanks
>> Jay
>
>
> Want to start your own business?
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
Hi there Jay,
Good description of your rough running engine.
Just change all spark plugs as you suggested, I don't think that you'll
need to change the fuel, -but it is a good idea.
Methanol/ethanol blended fuel is known to cause starting problems during
cold season.
The ignition system Ducati is of the type "wasted spark" system, I.E.
firing twice as often as necessary. However, this is Rotax/Ducati
philosophy, and work great..
The importance here is that one coil winding is firing two sparkplugs
(installed in two different cylinders) at same time, one active and the
other passive (would not ignite anything as this piston is in bottom).
Over time "one" of the plug "might" become some contaminated (sooty and
carbonized).
Those two spark plugs can be compared with two resistors. Since one of the
plugs occasionally can be partly shorted, -most of the spark energy dimish
and most of the spark energy is transferred to the healthy spark plug.
Occasionally one plug might short and this can vary and play havoc with
you. :)
So, the moral is look at the plug electrode and see if there's one with
darker color, and if you change this plug you must change the "twin" plug
going to the other cylinder. I.E. the "twin plug" is the one connected to
the same coil as the "sooty" one.
But as a rule, we normally change all igniters at the same interval.
P.S. In the ol. days, we leaned the engine on ground for some time -then
the mag check become ok. and the fun could start. :)
Good luck.
Torgeir.
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:02:50 +0100, Jay Fabian
<experimental208nd@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi List,
> I have a 912 UL with 145 tthours. It had a rough spot at about 3000-3200
> rpms on the ground or in the air.
> I have checked and regapped the plugs to .028,
> cleaned out the bowls on the carbs,
> cleaned off the neddle and dome area, sanded the ground wire lugs for
> the coils to get a good ground.
> Checked the carb Ballance -its ok.
> It all has not helped at all, even makes the rough ness worse some
> times. Going from 2k rpms- 3k rpms it is almost like it is bogging down,
> and you have to sort of pump the throttle to get the rpms past the 3-3.2
> k mark.
>
> Doing the mag check it is very rough on each side also, and I am using
> gas with the 10 % methanol( exact amount unknown )
>
> My qquestion is any ideas on the cause, there was no visible dirt or
> matter in the bowls either?????
>
> I am going to try and put in new plugs and then try some AV gas instead.
>
> Let me know what you think
> Thanks
> Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox List Rules |
MessagePatrick, I am forwarding your message to Matt Dralle, the
Matronics Host for his action.
Deke Morisse
Kitfox List Administrator
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Kelly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
I just signed up for this the other night and am still trying to
figure the system out, as it seems i am getting 2 of every thing in my
email. plus it appears that this is not just about kitfoxes but
whatever. I am brand new at this but this is ready to have me leave all
ready and I looked at it for a day. So I probably wont be staying, I
didnt see anything about money contributions ect either when i joined
up, not that i wouldnt contribute but not to only having looked at it
for a day and start getting those also plus nothing about kitfoxs.....am
i doing something wrong? the threads dont continue or
anything......LOst
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:29 AM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
Folks, Don and I have really tried to sit on our hands while letting
the list members do most of the policing here. However, it hasn't been
working very well and this list is basically turning into a chat forum
for whatever anyone feels they want to chat about. That is not what
this list is about and now we have people leaving the list because of
the amount of so called "off topic" rhetoric. Just because one puts
"off topic" or "fluff" in the subject line does not entitle one to post
whatever one feels they are inclined. This is a Kitfox list and is
primarily focused on Kitfox related discussions and issues. We've
always allowed some leeway for the occasional fluff, and the occasional
personal sale of products, and even the reasonable offering of
commercial products produced by Kitfox list members.
What has slowly happened is the list has degenerated and we need to
get it back on track so that our members can get back to focusing on
what they joined this list for. If any of you are not Kitfox owners or
builders and just want to lurk here, that's fine and you're welcome.
Just obey the rules (you all received a set when you subscribed) jump in
to the thread when you have a question or something meaningful to add.
Now, just a couple more things.
Please, before you post, look at your message and ask yourself it is
pertinent/relevant and meaningful before you hit send. If you aren't
sure then either delete it or let it set for a while. Often you'll have
a different perspective at a later time.
By all means, use the "do n*t arch*ve" when necessary. All it does
is keep that message from being saved in the archives. Everyone will
still receive it.
Do not make up your own rules just because it suits you. This list
is for all 500+ of us and for list harmony it's important that we follow
the guidelines set up for it. I'm requesting your cooperation on this.
The list health is important.
Before any of you respond to this please ask yourself it's in the
best interest of the list. Also, neither Don nor I get paid for this
and we don't enjoy having to write these letters so please think twice
before throwing any rocks.
One last thing. Matt Dralle works very hard to provide this forum
for us. Just in case some of you don't realize it, this list is NOT
FREE. Currently Matt is running his annual fund raiser for your much
need contribution. Please be as generous as your wallet allows to keep
the Matronics lists running. Thanks.
Below, I've pasted the list rules. Please read them. Thanks to all
of you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Deke Morisse and Don Pearsall
Kitfox List Administrators
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion
for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's
goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster
camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these
goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member
of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been
established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor,
long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will
be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T
send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an
archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be
concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email
address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume
unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult
the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes
it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in"
the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send
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your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have
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to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better
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to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at
large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need
to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally
attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate
that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for
sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: IvoProp Numbers |
I'm actually working off of the forums.matronics.com site and not the list site.
I guess some of the data don't translate. Try this link...
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=17756
Jan...Maine is cold but not that bad yet. +50. [Laughing]
The engine rpm for the GSC and Ivo set for cruise were about the same: 4900 static
and 5500 cruise.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73189#73189
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| Subject: | Re: Treaded Tyres |
My Kitfox-II went through 2 pairs of LEAF skinned
tundra tires (size 20 x 700 - 8, two-ply) at $115 each.
I've been flying it since 1997. Nearly all my landings
are on cement.
Last year our airport, KRST, extended the primary runway
and cut rain grooves in the new addition. In no time I was
seeing cords (my technique could also be a factor!)
At any rate I bought pair of the same sized tires at our local
"Fleet Farm Store" in Rochester, MN for about $60 total.
They are 4-ply with half-inch knobs. Works fine for me...
Joe Connell
Stewartville, MN
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| Subject: | Re: IvoProp Numbers |
Well Noel,
> Are we missing something here???
> Do not archive
> Noel
You'll have to click this link, to get the numbers.
IMHO., the numbers could be printed here
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73129#73129
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: IvoProp Numbers |
I am surprised that Dave's GSC did that good, What stile is it you have
on the Warp? straight or taper?
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: crazyivan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: IvoProp Numbers
I'm actually working off of the forums.matronics.com site and not the
list site. I guess some of the data don't translate. Try this link...
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=17756
Jan...Maine is cold but not that bad yet. +50. [Laughing]
The engine rpm for the GSC and Ivo set for cruise were about the same:
4900 static and 5500 cruise.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Kitfox List Rules |
thanks for the info....will hang out a bit longer and see what becomes
of
this
I just purchased a kitfox c-iv and am going to finish a unfinished
project......the experimenal is all new to me. so was just surfing when
i
found this site and decided to check into it.....so will observe and see
if
going to stay on here....looks like I could learn a lot from here but it
seems like I get tons of emailed versions of what everyone said and not
the
whole story so a bit confusing......probalby me or however i am on this
list.. i thought you could just follow a thread, or maybe i need to fix
the
settings or something to foollow along if this site has that option.
anyway
will observe and see....thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
Pat:
don't get too disappointed too fast.... This seems to be the beginning
of
the silly season and in that I include myself.
In the past few months there have been many topics relevant to
purchasing,
maintaining, building and operating these fine aircraft. I have no
doubt
that in short order we will all get back on the tracks.
Are you interested in buying, building or flying???
Noel
Model III-A, 582 B box, Aerocet Floats.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
I just signed up for this the other night and am still trying to figure
the
system out, as it seems i am getting 2 of every thing in my email. plus
it
appears that this is not just about kitfoxes but whatever. I am brand
new
at this but this is ready to have me leave all ready and I looked at it
for
a day. So I probably wont be staying, I didnt see anything about money
contributions ect either when i joined up, not that i wouldnt
contribute
but not to only having looked at it for a day and start getting those
also
plus nothing about kitfoxs.....am i doing something wrong? the threads
dont
continue or anything......LOst
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Rules
Folks, Don and I have really tried to sit on our hands while letting the
list members do most of the policing here. However, it hasn't been
working
very well and this list is basically turning into a chat forum for
whatever
anyone feels they want to chat about. That is not what this list is
about
and now we have people leaving the list because of the amount of so
called
"off topic" rhetoric. Just because one puts "off topic" or "fluff" in
the
subject line does not entitle one to post whatever one feels they are
inclined. This is a Kitfox list and is primarily focused on Kitfox
related
discussions and issues. We've always allowed some leeway for the
occasional
fluff, and the occasional personal sale of products, and even the
reasonable
offering of commercial products produced by Kitfox list members.
What has slowly happened is the list has degenerated and we need to get
it
back on track so that our members can get back to focusing on what they
joined this list for. If any of you are not Kitfox owners or builders
and
just want to lurk here, that's fine and you're welcome. Just obey the
rules
(you all received a set when you subscribed) jump in to the thread when
you
have a question or something meaningful to add.
Now, just a couple more things.
Please, before you post, look at your message and ask yourself it is
pertinent/relevant and meaningful before you hit send. If you aren't
sure
then either delete it or let it set for a while. Often you'll have a
different perspective at a later time.
By all means, use the "do n*t arch*ve" when necessary. All it does is
keep
that message from being saved in the archives. Everyone will still
receive
it.
Do not make up your own rules just because it suits you. This list is
for
all 500+ of us and for list harmony it's important that we follow the
guidelines set up for it. I'm requesting your cooperation on this. The
list
health is important.
Before any of you respond to this please ask yourself it's in the best
interest of the list. Also, neither Don nor I get paid for this and we
don't enjoy having to write these letters so please think twice before
throwing any rocks.
One last thing. Matt Dralle works very hard to provide this forum for
us.
Just in case some of you don't realize it, this list is NOT FREE.
Currently Matt is running his annual fund raiser for your much need
contribution. Please be as generous as your wallet allows to keep the
Matronics lists running. Thanks.
Below, I've pasted the list rules. Please read them. Thanks to all of
you
for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Deke Morisse and Don Pearsall
Kitfox List Administrators
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Welcome to the Kitfox world . Hope you find all the info you need
here .
Where are you located?. Someone may be near you that has a flying fox
or building one also .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry ,Cache OKlAHOMA
Kitfox 2 N718PD
TD/ Straight floats
Hot pink IVO Inflight
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
Thanks Lowell,
As you know, I dont have a 912, but lean is lean on
any 4 cycle and I know about sagging power on others.
My old 2 cycle would run pretty happily rich or lean,
until you fouled a plug or burn a cylinder, but dont
mess with the timing. That was touchy.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Kurt,
>
> This might be right on the money. One of the local
> 912 guys got rid of his
> rough spot by raising the needle one notch. I
> followed suit.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
Ok, So far I cleaned out the top diafram area with carb cleaner, and the
needle had a slight dark ring of residue on it on both pins.
Diaphrams are fine, and back in place
Inlet tubes look fine,
Carb sockets have about 20 hours on them, and are clamped correctly,
One thing I noticed when taking off the top cover of the carbs there is
a dark silver / oil looking residue on the two parts that hold the big
spring in place. I did not know if it is oil for the spring or just the
aluminum rubbing off from the spring. I left it as is for now. Test ran
it and the same issues are happenning.
I ran out of light so I will try the plugs, and the teflon seat and
valves for wear as per the maitenance book.
I know of people that change the jets 2 X per year depending on temps,
but since I built it I have not had to change them at all. The egts have
been great and only fluctuate very little all year round 90deg- 20 deg
F.
Where is the middle range system located? Is that up behind the float
valves?
I hope to get over there Thursday sometime.
Thanks
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: JC Propellerdesign
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL
To me it sounds (without hearing the engine) that it get to little
fuel at that rpm range, can also be to rich.
Idle adjustment?
carb diaphragm?
Leaking inlet tubes?
dirt in the middle range system?
Jan Carlsson
jcpropellerdesign.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Fabian
To: kitfox list
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL
Hi List,
I have a 912 UL with 145 tthours. It had a rough spot at about
3000-3200 rpms on the ground or in the air.
I have checked and regapped the plugs to .028,
cleaned out the bowls on the carbs,
cleaned off the neddle and dome area, sanded the ground wire lugs
for the coils to get a good ground.
Checked the carb Ballance -its ok.
It all has not helped at all, even makes the rough ness worse some
times. Going from 2k rpms- 3k rpms it is almost like it is bogging down,
and you have to sort of pump the throttle to get the rpms past the 3-3.2
k mark.
Doing the mag check it is very rough on each side also, and I am
using gas with the 10 % methanol( exact amount unknown )
My qquestion is any ideas on the cause, there was no visible dirt or
matter in the bowls either?????
I am going to try and put in new plugs and then try some AV gas
instead.
Let me know what you think
Thanks
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox List Rules |
Try using this link to view the list.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8
It makes it easier to follow the threads.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73260#73260
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox List administrators |
Hello Deke and Don.
This is Eric Ashman (Atlanta)
I have been thinking of this for a couple of weeks. I spend a lot of time out
of town on business and on returning I find sometimes well over a hundred
posts. Trouble is quite a lot of them are unrelated to Kitfox building,
maintenance or flying. I find another issue of a couple of dozen posts answering
the
same subject by lots of people and somehow the conversation, kind of gets
diluted from the original subject and drifts freely.
I am not saying this is terribly wrong but usually I have enough to do around
the house and hangar when home and I really don't want to spend an hour or
two browsing the list.
This is my feeling. I have enjoyed some of the discussions and some topics
have been very interesting for me. Some posts from a number of you guys have
been fun and enjoyable, this will be the stuff I will miss.
Who knows, sometime down the line I will apply for group therapy again :)
For now, Deke and Don, would you please remove my name from the list.
Thanks ever so much.
Have a great Christmas holiday everyone. Eric, Classic IV. Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox List administrators |
Pitty this list can't operate like the Yahoo type in that if you wish you
can choose the option of logging on to read messages as opposed to getting
sent direct. You can then choose what to read and the in box doesn't get
chocked up when one is away from home.
From: Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List administrators
Hello Deke and Don.
This is Eric Ashman (Atlanta)
I have been thinking of this for a couple of weeks. I spend a lot of time
out of town on business and on returning I find sometimes well over a
hundred posts. Trouble is quite a lot of them are unrelated to Kitfox
building, maintenance or flying. I find another issue of a couple of dozen
posts answering the same subject by lots of people and somehow the
conversation, kind of gets diluted from the original subject and drifts
freely.
I am not saying this is terribly wrong but usually I have enough to do
around the house and hangar when home and I really don't want to spend an
hour or two browsing the list.
This is my feeling. I have enjoyed some of the discussions and some topics
have been very interesting for me. Some posts from a number of you guys have
been fun and enjoyable, this will be the stuff I will miss.
Who knows, sometime down the line I will apply for group therapy again :)
For now, Deke and Don, would you please remove my name from the list.
Thanks ever so much.
Have a great Christmas holiday everyone. Eric, Classic IV. Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox List administrators |
At 11:10 PM 11/8/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
>Pitty this list can't operate like the Yahoo type in that if you wish you can
choose the option of logging on to read messages as opposed to getting sent direct.
You can then choose what to read and the in box doesn't get chocked up when
one is away from home.
John,
You should check out the Matronics Email List Forums. They give you exactly that
functionality. They are tied directly to the Matronics Email Lists and any
content is cross posted between the email lists and the forum and vis-a-versa.
That way you can get your List content in either way you prefer.
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Running 912 UL |
If it have that system (I am not sure) there is one or more extra holes
close to the closed throttle valve, clean this and or the idle jet, and
or adjust the idle mixture, because the idle system is working about one
third up in the register.
Se http://www.ultralightnews.ca/rotax912/912-914bingCarb.htm
Jan
Off-idle circuit
As the throttle is opened up slightly from the fully closed position,
the throttle plate uncovers additional fuel delivery holes behind the
throttle plate where there is a low pressure area created by the
throttle plate blocking air flow; these allow more fuel to flow as well
as compensating for the reduced vacuum that occurs when the throttle is
opened, thus smoothing the transition to metering fuel flow through the
regular open throttle circuit.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Fabian
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL
Ok, So far I cleaned out the top diafram area with carb cleaner, and
the needle had a slight dark ring of residue on it on both pins.
Diaphrams are fine, and back in place
Inlet tubes look fine,
Carb sockets have about 20 hours on them, and are clamped correctly,
One thing I noticed when taking off the top cover of the carbs there
is a dark silver / oil looking residue on the two parts that hold the
big spring in place. I did not know if it is oil for the spring or just
the aluminum rubbing off from the spring. I left it as is for now. Test
ran it and the same issues are happenning.
I ran out of light so I will try the plugs, and the teflon seat and
valves for wear as per the maitenance book.
I know of people that change the jets 2 X per year depending on temps,
but since I built it I have not had to change them at all. The egts have
been great and only fluctuate very little all year round 90deg- 20 deg
F.
Where is the middle range system located? Is that up behind the float
valves?
I hope to get over there Thursday sometime.
Thanks
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: JC Propellerdesign
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL
To me it sounds (without hearing the engine) that it get to little
fuel at that rpm range, can also be to rich.
Idle adjustment?
carb diaphragm?
Leaking inlet tubes?
dirt in the middle range system?
Jan Carlsson
jcpropellerdesign.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Fabian
To: kitfox list
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rough Running 912 UL
Hi List,
I have a 912 UL with 145 tthours. It had a rough spot at about
3000-3200 rpms on the ground or in the air.
I have checked and regapped the plugs to .028,
cleaned out the bowls on the carbs,
cleaned off the neddle and dome area, sanded the ground wire lugs
for the coils to get a good ground.
Checked the carb Ballance -its ok.
It all has not helped at all, even makes the rough ness worse some
times. Going from 2k rpms- 3k rpms it is almost like it is bogging down,
and you have to sort of pump the throttle to get the rpms past the 3-3.2
k mark.
Doing the mag check it is very rough on each side also, and I am
using gas with the 10 % methanol( exact amount unknown )
My qquestion is any ideas on the cause, there was no visible dirt
or matter in the bowls either?????
I am going to try and put in new plugs and then try some AV gas
instead.
Let me know what you think
Thanks
Jay
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