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Sun 11/12/06


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 12:59 AM - Re: FAA aircraft chart for download ()
     2. 01:29 AM - [OFF TOPIC] Wiki... (Michel Verheughe)
     3. 01:48 AM - Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (84KF)
     4. 05:08 AM - Re: Trailer. (Fox5flyer)
     5. 06:09 AM - Re: Trailer. (Don Smythe)
     6. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (john perry)
     7. 07:20 AM - Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (84KF)
     8. 07:49 AM - Re: Engine Heater (Stan Bearup)
     9. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (Lowell Fitt)
    10. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (Guy Buchanan)
    11. 10:25 AM - Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiki... (Matt Dralle)
    12. 10:40 AM - [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
    13. 11:51 AM - Re: Trailer. (QSS)
    14. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (floran higgins)
    15. 03:49 PM - Re: Powerfin 69" 3-blade prop (Ron Carroll)
    16. 04:07 PM - Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (84KF)
    17. 04:07 PM - Re: Engine Heater (Fox5flyer)
    18. 04:11 PM - Re: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Fox5flyer)
    19. 05:51 PM - Re: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (john perry)
    20. 07:24 PM - Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (wingnut)
    21. 07:32 PM - Re: Fire extinguisher Mount Location (Noel Loveys)
    22. 07:45 PM - Re: FAA aircraft chart for download (84KF)
    23. 07:45 PM - Model III-A?? (Noel Loveys)
    24. 08:20 PM - Reshrunk fabric (ron schick)
    25. 09:49 PM - Re: Model III-A?? (Lowell Fitt)
    26. 09:56 PM - Re: Reshrunk fabric (Guy Buchanan)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:59:19 AM PST US
    From: <michaelgibbs@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    Steve sez: > The chart is showing that the potential, or certificated, maximum weight > of the aircraft is not a disqualification, and confirms that the words > maximum takeoff weight, as used in the 1.1 definition is the sum of > conditions that include .the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of the > total fuel capacity, and the weight of the pilot , and passenger if applicable, > and whatever baggage you intend to carry in the aircraft. Steve, you have repeatedly asked responders for references to the FARs in contesting your notions. I have wasted a considerable amount of my time trying to substantiate this nonsense. FAR 1.1 says, in part: "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to meet the following: (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-- ... (ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation on water;..." Apparently, your confusion comes from the phrase "maximum takeoff weight." Your challenge is to produce the FAR that defines maximum takeoff weight. The previous references you have provided are NOT found in the FARs, they are part of the COMMENTARY the FAA provided in response to public COMMENT on the proposed light-sport ruling. Show us the FAR that DEFINES the phrase "maximum takeoff weight." I was unable to locate such a definition. There is a definition for "maximum certificated takeoff weight" in 14 CFR Ch. II, ss294.1, (f), but it does not support your claim: "Maximum certificated takeoff weight means the maximum takeoff weight authorized by the terms of the aircraft airworthiness certificate. This weight may be found in the airplane operating record or in the airplane flight manual that is incorporated by regulation into the airworthiness certificate." I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on television, but I would not be surprised if you incurred some liability if someone acts on your interpretation of the light-sport regulations and is subsequently sanctioned by the FAA. Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die. :-p Mike G. N728KF


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    Time: 01:29:07 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: [OFF TOPIC] Wiki...
    On Nov 11, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features > earlier this year. Thank you very much, Matt. I love the concept of the Wiki. I had a look at the Matronics/Kitfox place and found only a question from Doug. Because this is the place where all important information about the Kitfox should be, I decided to start writing a few lines about the history of the Kitfox. To show how it works, I also added a link from the word "taildragger" to a definition of it. I would like to ask my friends of this list to visit the site and add whatever they find relevant. Remember that you can edit anything that is there and, please, edit my modest dbut. Also remember that is the world wide web in its best form: you link words to other places. Wiki allows you to link internally (to another place where you find already a definition, or where you add your own complementary definition, or to an external link. Please put this link in your Favorites: http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox ... and contribute for the benefit of everyone. Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 01:48:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    From: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
    Federal Register Information Federal Register: July 27, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 143) Page 44771-44882 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION Federal Aviation Administration 14 CFR Parts 1, 21, 43, 45, 61, 65, and 91 [Docket No. FAA-2001-11133; Amendment No. 1-53, 21-85, 43-99, 45-24, 61-110, 65-45, 91-282 RIN 2120-AH19 Exact quote, pg.44793, cut and pasted here... "Paragraph (1) Maximum Certificated Takeoff Weight Some commenters stated that lacking a definition of maximum takeoff weight, aircraft with fairly high performance characteristics could meet the definition of light-sport aircraft by limiting the approved weight and payload of the airplane. The FAA considers this a valid concern and has provided some additional constraints on the weight as detailed below. The maximum weight of a light-sport aircraft is the sum of: (1) Aircraft empty weight; (2) Weight of the passenger for each seat installed; (3) Baggage allowance for each passenger; and (4) Full fuel, including a minimum of the half-hour fuel reserve required for day visual flight rules in 91.151(a)(1)" + chart @ 44793 .. -------- Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!) New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73847#73847


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    Time: 05:08:18 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: Re: Trailer.
    Graeme, there have been many very nice trailers built and owned by the Kitfox Listers. I'm sure you'll get several replies. You might take a look at the link below for a few that can give you ideas. These are on our Kitfox Photo Archive that is on the www.sportflight.com site that is maintained by Don Pearsall, the co-administrator for the Kitfox List. Please feel free to browse around through all of the categories. Not having owned or built one I can't give much advice other than to avoid stiff springs. Try to modify the suspension so that it is suitable for the weight of your aircraft so that it gets the smoothest ride possible to avoid damage to the aircraft. Some people have fuel tanks installed on the trailer to offload fuel prior to mounting the aircraft. Modified boat trailers are very popular. You might also do a Google search for "Kitfox trailer" that should bring up some hits. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=T railers/Towing Good Luck, Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: QSS To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer. Hi guys, I know this one has been thrown around the paddock many times before but my situation is that I am able to get a trailer made at my work site as our boiler makers are sitting around with nothing to do. I have the steel and am ready to go but I do not have any plans or dimentions for them to work off. Can anyone send me either specs or a plan with dimentions that will allow us to get a start. Like many others, I file information like this for safe keeping on my home computer but as Im working away at the moment I don=92t have access to the info. Any assistance would be great. Thanks guys. Cheers Graeme -- 27/10/2006


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    Time: 06:09:55 AM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Trailer.
    Jraeme, Here are my personal thoughts on a Kitfox trailer. Trailer must have: 1. dual axles to help bridge pot holes. (large tires for softer ride) 2. light suspension to carry intended load without being too stiff. 3. elevated tail ramp that will support the tail end of the fuselage and not the tail wheel. (keep weight off tail spring while towing) 4. Consider designing independent suspension for the tail ramp which is seperate from the main trailer. (softer ride) 5. imbeded fuel tank in trailer to support wing tank capacity (12VDC fuel transfer pump for refueling) 6. Winch for loading. Sorry, no plans just thoughts. There have been a couple cases of damaged fuselage from trailering. Don Smythe . Hi guys, I know this one has been thrown around the paddock many times before but my situation is that I am able to get a trailer made at my work site as our boiler makers are sitting around with nothing to do. I have the steel and am ready to go but I do not have any plans or dimentions for them to work off. Can anyone send me either specs or a plan with dimentions that will allow us to get a start. Like many others, I file information like this for safe keeping on my home computer but as Im working away at the moment I don=92t have access to the info. Any assistance would be great. Thanks guys. Cheers Graeme -- 27/10/2006


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    Time: 06:15:00 AM PST US
    From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    And what this means is if the aircraft has a certified max takeoff weight of 1320 for land plane or 1430 for a floats planethen it can be flown as a E-LSA, S-LSA, This goes for certified aircraft as well if they meet the MAX Takeoff weight as provided by the manufacturer. if it is 1325 for a land plane , or 1435 for a seaplane ,pounds Certified on the certificate then it will not be able to be flown as a LSA aircraft period . This cannot be construed any other way period . Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX John Perry DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:20:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    From: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
    In the original proposal: "Paragraph (1) Maximum Certificated Takeoff Weight Was changed to read maximum takeoff weight And you have been told why by the FAA. Gentlemen, this post concerns the supporting chart. Do not avoid that issue -------- Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!) New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73877#73877


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    Time: 07:49:11 AM PST US
    From: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine Heater
    Check out the link below for the Northern Companion preheater. A very effective and light weight engine preheat system designed by an Alaskan bush pilot for the Alaskan environment. Stan http://www.myles-rec.com/Aviation%20Accessories/folder3/Northern%20Compan ion/northerntindex.html


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    Time: 08:06:31 AM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    Mike, I frankly wish Steve would reread and act on one of his recent posts when he said, (snip) "This is my last reply to any of the issues I presented for comment and discussion". Steve, enough!! If someone wants to proceed with this thread, please take it off list. The problem as I see it, when someone has totally destroyed his credibility on any issue by continued unrelenting argument, it will likely effect his credibility on most other Kitfox related issues he might care to comment on. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: <michaelgibbs@cox.net> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download > > Steve sez: > >> The chart is showing that the potential, or certificated, maximum weight >> of the aircraft is not a disqualification, and confirms that the words >> maximum takeoff weight, as used in the 1.1 definition is the sum of >> conditions that include .the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of >> the >> total fuel capacity, and the weight of the pilot , and passenger if >> applicable, >> and whatever baggage you intend to carry in the aircraft. > > Steve, you have repeatedly asked responders for references to the FARs in > contesting your notions. I have wasted a considerable amount of my time > trying to substantiate this nonsense. FAR 1.1 says, in part: > > "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or > powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to meet > the following: > (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-- ... > (ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation > on water;..." > > Apparently, your confusion comes from the phrase "maximum takeoff weight." > Your challenge is to produce the FAR that defines maximum takeoff weight. > The previous references you have provided are NOT found in the FARs, they > are part of the COMMENTARY the FAA provided in response to public COMMENT > on the proposed light-sport ruling. Show us the FAR that DEFINES the > phrase "maximum takeoff weight." I was unable to locate such a > definition. There is a definition for "maximum certificated takeoff > weight" in 14 CFR Ch. II, ss294.1, (f), but it does not support your > claim: "Maximum certificated takeoff weight means the maximum takeoff > weight authorized by the terms of the aircraft airworthiness certificate. > This weight may be found in the airplane operating record or in the > airplane flight manual that is incorporated by regulation into the > airworthiness certificate." > > I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on television, but I would not be > surprised if you incurred some liability if someone acts on your > interpretation of the light-sport regulations and is subsequently > sanctioned by the FAA. > > Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die. :-p > > Mike G. > N728KF > > >


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    Time: 09:15:29 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    At 12:57 AM 11/12/2006, you wrote: >Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die. Mike. I'm holding you personally responsible for all of Steve's subsequent responses. ;-) (Thanks for the definition, though, it adds a little clarity.) Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive


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    Time: 10:25:25 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiki...
    At 01:28 AM 11/12/2006 Sunday, you wrote: > >On Nov 11, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: >>I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. > >Thank you very much, Matt. I love the concept of the Wiki. I had a look at the Matronics/Kitfox place and found only a question from Doug. >Because this is the place where all important information about the Kitfox should be, I decided to start writing a few lines about the history of the Kitfox. To show how it works, I also added a link from the word "taildragger" to a definition of it. > >I would like to ask my friends of this list to visit the site and add whatever they find relevant. Remember that you can edit anything that is there and, please, edit my modest dbut. Also remember that is the world wide web in its best form: you link words to other places. Wiki allows you to link internally (to another place where you find already a definition, or where you add your own complementary definition, or to an external link. > >Please put this link in your Favorites: >http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox > >... and contribute for the benefit of everyone. > >Cheers, >Michel You're very welcome. The Wiki is much like our Email List in that the usefulness and utility is only as good as the content people add. The Wiki is very much a community effort. Don't be afraid to add some of your own person content or to politely edit others. Also, the Wiki fully supports the upload of pictures! I encourage everyone to check out the Wiki and add some content! Let's make the Kitfox section on the Matronics Wiki the definitive source for all Kitfox information. I noticed the other day that the RV guys have really gone to town on their section. I don't think the Kitfox guys can stand for that, can they? :-) Finally, since it is List Fund Raiser Season, I will throw in another shameless plug for making a Contribution to support the Lists! It really is your 20 or 30 dollars that keeps this operation afloat. Please make a Contribution today. Thank you in advance! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 10:40:47 AM PST US
    Subject: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
    A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Graeme Toft <msm@byterocky.net> Lists: Kitfox-List Subject: First Flight After Rebuild http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/msm@byterocky.net.11.12.2006/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ----------------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 11:51:42 AM PST US
    From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
    Subject: Trailer.
    Thanks for the quick replies Guys, I had forgotten about the Sportflight web site Deke so thanks for that. Jon, your trailer is simple and well designed . I would appreciate your offer of measurements if you have time. Good comments also Don. I realize the suspension will be a critical consideration as G loading will be a real issue on our poorly serviced roads. Regards Graeme Toft -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailer. Jraeme, Here are my personal thoughts on a Kitfox trailer. Trailer must have: 1. dual axles to help bridge pot holes. (large tires for softer ride) 2. light suspension to carry intended load without being too stiff. 3. elevated tail ramp that will support the tail end of the fuselage and not the tail wheel. (keep weight off tail spring while towing) 4. Consider designing independent suspension for the tail ramp which is seperate from the main trailer. (softer ride) 5. imbeded fuel tank in trailer to support wing tank capacity (12VDC fuel transfer pump for refueling) 6. Winch for loading. Sorry, no plans just thoughts. There have been a couple cases of damaged fuselage from trailering. Don Smythe . Hi guys, I know this one has been thrown around the paddock many times before but my situation is that I am able to get a trailer made at my work site as our boiler makers are sitting around with nothing to do. I have the steel and am ready to go but I do not have any plans or dimentions for them to work off. Can anyone send me either specs or a plan with dimentions that will allow us to get a start. Like many others, I file information like this for safe keeping on my home computer but as Im working away at the moment I don=92t have access to the info. Any assistance would be great. Thanks guys. Cheers Graeme -- 27/10/2006 "http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com "http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Kitfox-List -- 27/10/2006 -- 27/10/2006


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    Time: 02:53:14 PM PST US
    From: "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    Thank you Lowell. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download > > Mike, I frankly wish Steve would reread and act on one of his recent > posts when he said, (snip) "This is my last reply to any of the issues I > presented for comment and discussion". > > Steve, enough!! If someone wants to proceed with this thread, please take > it off list. > > The problem as I see it, when someone has totally destroyed his > credibility on any issue by continued unrelenting argument, it will likely > effect his credibility on most other Kitfox related issues he might care > to comment on. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <michaelgibbs@cox.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:57 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download > > >> >> Steve sez: >> >>> The chart is showing that the potential, or certificated, maximum weight >>> of the aircraft is not a disqualification, and confirms that the words >>> maximum takeoff weight, as used in the 1.1 definition is the sum of >>> conditions that include .the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of >>> the >>> total fuel capacity, and the weight of the pilot , and passenger if >>> applicable, >>> and whatever baggage you intend to carry in the aircraft. >> >> Steve, you have repeatedly asked responders for references to the FARs in >> contesting your notions. I have wasted a considerable amount of my time >> trying to substantiate this nonsense. FAR 1.1 says, in part: >> >> "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or >> powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to >> meet the following: >> (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-- ... >> (ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation >> on water;..." >> >> Apparently, your confusion comes from the phrase "maximum takeoff >> weight." Your challenge is to produce the FAR that defines maximum >> takeoff weight. The previous references you have provided are NOT found >> in the FARs, they are part of the COMMENTARY the FAA provided in response >> to public COMMENT on the proposed light-sport ruling. Show us the FAR >> that DEFINES the phrase "maximum takeoff weight." I was unable to locate >> such a definition. There is a definition for "maximum certificated >> takeoff weight" in 14 CFR Ch. II, ss294.1, (f), but it does not support >> your claim: "Maximum certificated takeoff weight means the maximum >> takeoff weight authorized by the terms of the aircraft airworthiness >> certificate. This weight may be found in the airplane operating record or >> in the airplane flight manual that is incorporated by regulation into the >> airworthiness certificate." >> >> I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on television, but I would not be >> surprised if you incurred some liability if someone acts on your >> interpretation of the light-sport regulations and is subsequently >> sanctioned by the FAA. >> >> Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die. :-p >> >> Mike G. >> N728KF >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > >


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    Time: 03:49:48 PM PST US
    From: "Ron Carroll" <roncar@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Powerfin 69" 3-blade prop
    SOLD


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    Time: 04:07:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    From: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
    Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines By: Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Using current information and guidelines is important on many issues it would seem. Dont worry about hurt feelings, Sticks and stones will break my bones.etc etc. steve -------- Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!) New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73959#73959


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    Time: 04:07:35 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Heater
    Thank you Stan. Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Bearup To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine Heater Check out the link below for the Northern Companion preheater. A very effective and light weight engine preheat system designed by an Alaskan bush pilot for the Alaskan environment. Stan http://www.myles-rec.com/Aviation%20Accessories/folder3/Northern%20Compan ion/northerntindex.html


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    Time: 04:11:40 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: Re: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    Nice Fox Graeme! Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! <pictures@matronics.com> > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Graeme Toft <msm@byterocky.net> > > Lists: Kitfox-List > > Subject: First Flight After Rebuild > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/msm@byterocky.net.11.12.2006/index.html > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > >


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    Time: 05:51:03 PM PST US
    From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
    Subject: Re: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    Very beautiful bird Graeme. I am very happy for you that you are flying again . Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly Kitfox John Perry


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    Time: 07:24:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    84KF wrote: > > There seems to be a lack of response to your question. This is due to the common and contagious infliction known as Foot in Mouth disease, the result of which is extreme embarrassment, and the sudden urge to avoid further inflammation and discomfort from speaking out. A couple of posts later: 84KF wrote: > > Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone > polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack > other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously > controversial issue. > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74001#74001


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    Time: 07:32:17 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Fire extinguisher Mount Location
    Mine is in a similar location but laterally in front of the passengers seat so the pilot can reach it easier. There isn't too much room there for passengers feet as my ELT is just to the right of the flap lever.. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Guy Buchanan > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:04 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fire extinguisher Mount Location > > > > At 01:00 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: > >Where have some of you mounted a fire extinguisher. > > Mine's sideways in front of the pilot's stick, mounted to the > floorboard. > It seemed the most out-of-the-way, yet handiest, spot. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:45:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
    From: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
    Ok.. Ya got me there. I humbly apoligize. Is there nothing to be said about the FAA chart though? That's the point of the original post on this topic. I really would like to get some opinions on how you see it. Steve -------- Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!) New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74006#74006


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    Time: 07:45:57 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Model III-A??
    To all the Kitfox flyers... My kitfox is registered as a model III-A. The serial # is 736. I was going through some of the paper work the other day and noticed the original order was for a model II. I am wondering where I can go to find out what has to be done to the plane to increase the MTOW from 950 to 1050 safely. Transport Canada has agreed to bump it up if I really want it. I would like to do that only if it is safe. The question is this: Is my plane actually a model 2 1/2??? It has the separate engine mount and the wing tanks with the small header tank under the panel. The wings are concave on the bottoms. At the time the plane was originally sold as a kit the Rotax 912 engine was an option. I've checked with John McBean and he is as much in the dark as I am on this one..... I guess this one is extra unique.... I don't suppose Dan Denney is still around?? Noel


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    Time: 08:20:31 PM PST US
    From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Reshrunk fabric
    Thanks to the off list response of a nameless member I used a heat gun to reshrink some loose fabric on my rudder. The cutting off of the old fabric, patching, and painting would have in no way been a better repair than simply waving the magic wand at the problem. After patching in fabric on the fuselage I also used it to eliminate distant wrinkles that did not go away when the new fabric was shrunk. I understand the need for instructions, but sometimes a little common sense must prevail. Sorry, can't always follow the heard. Thanks again for the off list advice. Ron NB Ore _________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 09:49:21 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Model III-A??
    Noel, Do ou have a serial number. We have 17 model IIIs and 13 Model IIs in the data base. Maybe a serial number and the help from those folks could fix your airplane in that time frame. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Model III-A?? > > To all the Kitfox flyers... > > My kitfox is registered as a model III-A. The serial # is 736. I was > going > through some of the paper work the other day and noticed the original > order > was for a model II. > > I am wondering where I can go to find out what has to be done to the plane > to increase the MTOW from 950 to 1050 safely. Transport Canada has agreed > to bump it up if I really want it. I would like to do that only if it is > safe. > > The question is this: Is my plane actually a model 2 1/2??? It has the > separate engine mount and the wing tanks with the small header tank under > the panel. The wings are concave on the bottoms. At the time the plane > was > originally sold as a kit the Rotax 912 engine was an option. > > I've checked with John McBean and he is as much in the dark as I am on > this > one..... I guess this one is extra unique.... I don't suppose Dan Denney > is > still around?? > > Noel > > >


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    Time: 09:56:00 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Reshrunk fabric
    At 08:19 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: >Thanks to the off list response of a nameless member I used a heat gun to >reshrink some loose fabric on my rudder. Leave them nameless if you want, but I'd love to hear what you did and how you did it. Thanks in advance, Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.




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