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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      Steve sez:
      
      > The chart is showing that the potential, or certificated, maximum weight
      > of the aircraft is not a disqualification, and confirms that the words
      > maximum takeoff weight, as used in the 1.1 definition is the sum of
      > conditions that include .the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of the
      > total fuel capacity, and the weight of the pilot , and passenger if applicable,
      > and whatever baggage you intend to carry in the aircraft.
      
      Steve, you have repeatedly asked responders for references to the FARs in contesting
      your notions.  I have wasted a considerable amount of my time trying to
      substantiate this nonsense.  FAR 1.1 says, in part:
      
      "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or powered-lift
      that, since its original certification, has continued to meet the following:
      
      (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-- ...
      (ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation on water;..."
      
      Apparently, your confusion comes from the phrase "maximum takeoff weight."  Your
      challenge is to produce the FAR that defines maximum takeoff weight.  The previous
      references you have provided are NOT found in the FARs, they are part of
      the COMMENTARY the FAA provided in response to public COMMENT on the proposed
      light-sport ruling.  Show us the FAR that DEFINES the phrase "maximum takeoff
      weight."  I was unable to locate such a definition.  There is a definition for
      "maximum certificated takeoff weight" in 14 CFR Ch. II, ss294.1, (f), but it
      does not support your claim: "Maximum certificated takeoff weight means the
      maximum takeoff weight authorized by the terms of the aircraft airworthiness certificate.
      This weight may be found in the airplane operating record or in the
      airplane flight manual that is incorporated by regulation into the airworthiness
      certificate."
      
      I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on television, but I would not be surprised
      if you incurred some liability if someone acts on your interpretation of
      the light-sport regulations and is subsequently sanctioned by the FAA.
      
      Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die.  :-p
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      
      
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| Subject:  | [OFF TOPIC]  Wiki... | 
      
      
      On Nov 11, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
      > I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features 
      > earlier this year.
      
      Thank you very much, Matt. I love the concept of the Wiki. I had a look 
      at the Matronics/Kitfox place and found only a question from Doug.
      Because this is the place where all important information about the 
      Kitfox should be, I decided to start writing a few lines about the 
      history of the Kitfox. To show how it works, I also added a link from 
      the word "taildragger" to a definition of it.
      
      I would like to ask my friends of this list to visit the site and add 
      whatever they find relevant. Remember that you can edit anything that 
      is there and, please, edit my modest dbut. Also remember that is the 
      world wide web in its best form: you link words to other places. Wiki 
      allows you to link internally (to another place where you find already 
      a definition, or where you add your own complementary definition, or to 
      an external link.
      
      Please put this link in your Favorites:
      http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox
      
      ... and contribute for the benefit of everyone.
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      Federal Register Information
      Federal Register: July 27, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 143)
      Page 44771-44882
      DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
      Federal Aviation Administration
      14 CFR Parts 1, 21, 43, 45, 61, 65, and 91
      [Docket No. FAA-2001-11133; Amendment No. 1-53, 21-85, 43-99, 45-24, 61-110, 
      65-45, 91-282 
      RIN 2120-AH19
      
      Exact quote, pg.44793, cut and pasted here...
      
      "Paragraph (1) Maximum Certificated
      Takeoff Weight
      Some commenters stated that lacking
      a definition of maximum takeoff weight,
      aircraft with fairly high performance
      characteristics could meet the definition
      of light-sport aircraft by limiting the
      approved weight and payload of the
      airplane. The FAA considers this a valid
      concern and has provided some
      additional constraints on the weight as
      detailed below. The maximum weight of
      a light-sport aircraft is the sum of:
      (1) Aircraft empty weight;
      (2) Weight of the passenger for each
      seat installed;
      (3) Baggage allowance for each
      passenger; and
      (4) Full fuel, including a minimum of
      the half-hour fuel reserve required for
      day visual flight rules in  91.151(a)(1)"
      
      + chart @ 44793     
      ..
      
      --------
      Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver  (...talk about folding wings!!!) 
      New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
      great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73847#73847
      
      
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      Graeme, there have been many very nice trailers built and owned by the 
      Kitfox Listers.  I'm sure you'll get several replies.  You might take a 
      look at the link below for a few that can give you ideas.  These are on 
      our Kitfox Photo Archive that is on the www.sportflight.com site that is 
      maintained by Don Pearsall, the co-administrator for the Kitfox List.  
      Please feel free to browse around through all of the categories.
      Not having owned or built one I can't give much advice other than to 
      avoid stiff springs.  Try to modify the suspension so that it is 
      suitable for the weight of your aircraft so that it gets the smoothest 
      ride possible to avoid damage to the aircraft.  Some people have fuel 
      tanks installed on the trailer to offload fuel prior to mounting the 
      aircraft.  Modified boat trailers are very popular.  You might also do a 
      Google search for "Kitfox trailer" that should bring up some hits.
      
      http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=T
      railers/Towing
      
      Good Luck,
      Deke
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: QSS 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:44 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer.
      
      
         
        Hi guys, I know this one has been thrown around the paddock many times 
      before but my situation is that I am able to get a trailer made at my 
      work site as our boiler makers are sitting around with nothing to do. I 
      have the steel and am ready to go but I do not have any plans or 
      dimentions for them to work off. Can anyone send me either specs or a 
      plan with dimentions that will allow us to get a start. Like many 
      others, I file information like this for safe keeping on my home 
      computer but as Im working away at the moment I don=92t have access to 
      the info. Any assistance would be great. Thanks guys.
      
        Cheers
      
        Graeme
      
         
      
         
      
      
        --
        27/10/2006
      
      
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          Jraeme,
              Here are my personal thoughts on a Kitfox trailer.  Trailer must 
      have:
          1.  dual axles to help bridge pot holes. (large tires for softer 
      ride)
          2.  light suspension to carry intended load without being too stiff.
          3.  elevated tail ramp that will support the tail end of the 
      fuselage and not the tail wheel. (keep weight off tail spring while 
      towing)
          4.  Consider designing independent suspension for the tail ramp 
      which is seperate from the main trailer. (softer ride)
          5.  imbeded fuel tank in trailer to support wing tank capacity 
      (12VDC fuel transfer pump for refueling)  
          6. Winch for loading.
          Sorry, no plans just thoughts.  There have been a couple cases of 
      damaged fuselage from trailering.
      
          Don Smythe
      
          .  
      
          Hi guys, I know this one has been thrown around the paddock many 
      times before but my situation is that I am able to get a trailer made at 
      my work site as our boiler makers are sitting around with nothing to do. 
      I have the steel and am ready to go but I do not have any plans or 
      dimentions for them to work off. Can anyone send me either specs or a 
      plan with dimentions that will allow us to get a start. Like many 
      others, I file information like this for safe keeping on my home 
      computer but as Im working away at the moment I don=92t have access to 
      the info. Any assistance would be great. Thanks guys.
          Cheers
      
          Graeme
      
           
      
           
      
      
          --
          27/10/2006
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      And what this means is if the aircraft has a certified max takeoff weight of 
      1320 for land plane or 1430 for a floats planethen it can be flown as a 
      E-LSA, S-LSA, This goes for certified aircraft as well if they meet the MAX 
      Takeoff weight as provided by the manufacturer. if it is 1325 for a land 
      plane , or 1435 for a seaplane ,pounds Certified on the certificate then it 
      will not be able to be flown as a LSA aircraft period .
      This cannot be construed any other way period .
      
      Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
      John Perry
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      In the original proposal:
      
      "Paragraph (1) Maximum Certificated 
      Takeoff Weight
      
      Was changed to  read 
      
      maximum takeoff weight
      
      And you have been told why by the FAA.
      
      Gentlemen, this  post concerns the supporting chart. Do not avoid that issue
      
      --------
      Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver  (...talk about folding wings!!!) 
      New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
      great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73877#73877
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine Heater | 
      
      Check out the link below for the Northern Companion preheater. A very 
      effective and light weight engine preheat system designed by an Alaskan 
      bush pilot for the Alaskan environment.
      
      Stan
      
      http://www.myles-rec.com/Aviation%20Accessories/folder3/Northern%20Compan
      ion/northerntindex.html
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      Mike,  I frankly wish Steve would reread and act on one of his recent posts 
      when he said,  (snip) "This is my last reply to any of the issues I 
      presented for comment and discussion".
      
      Steve, enough!!  If someone wants to proceed with this thread, please take 
      it off list.
      
      The problem as I see it, when someone has totally destroyed his credibility 
      on any issue by continued unrelenting argument, it will likely effect his 
      credibility on most other Kitfox related issues he might care to comment on.
      
      Lowell
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <michaelgibbs@cox.net>
      Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:57 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
      
      
      >
      > Steve sez:
      >
      >> The chart is showing that the potential, or certificated, maximum weight
      >> of the aircraft is not a disqualification, and confirms that the words
      >> maximum takeoff weight, as used in the 1.1 definition is the sum of
      >> conditions that include .the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of 
      >> the
      >> total fuel capacity, and the weight of the pilot , and passenger if 
      >> applicable,
      >> and whatever baggage you intend to carry in the aircraft.
      >
      > Steve, you have repeatedly asked responders for references to the FARs in 
      > contesting your notions.  I have wasted a considerable amount of my time 
      > trying to substantiate this nonsense.  FAR 1.1 says, in part:
      >
      > "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or 
      > powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to meet 
      > the following:
      > (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-- ...
      > (ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation 
      > on water;..."
      >
      > Apparently, your confusion comes from the phrase "maximum takeoff weight." 
      > Your challenge is to produce the FAR that defines maximum takeoff weight. 
      > The previous references you have provided are NOT found in the FARs, they 
      > are part of the COMMENTARY the FAA provided in response to public COMMENT 
      > on the proposed light-sport ruling.  Show us the FAR that DEFINES the 
      > phrase "maximum takeoff weight."  I was unable to locate such a 
      > definition.  There is a definition for "maximum certificated takeoff 
      > weight" in 14 CFR Ch. II, ss294.1, (f), but it does not support your 
      > claim: "Maximum certificated takeoff weight means the maximum takeoff 
      > weight authorized by the terms of the aircraft airworthiness certificate. 
      > This weight may be found in the airplane operating record or in the 
      > airplane flight manual that is incorporated by regulation into the 
      > airworthiness certificate."
      >
      > I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on television, but I would not be 
      > surprised if you incurred some liability if someone acts on your 
      > interpretation of the light-sport regulations and is subsequently 
      > sanctioned by the FAA.
      >
      > Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die.  :-p
      >
      > Mike G.
      > N728KF
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      At 12:57 AM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
      >Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die.
      
      Mike. I'm holding you personally responsible for all of Steve's subsequent 
      responses. ;-) (Thanks for the definition, though, it adds a little clarity.)
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
      
      Do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: [OFF TOPIC]  Wiki... | 
      
      
      At 01:28 AM 11/12/2006  Sunday, you wrote:
      >
      >On Nov 11, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
      >>I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this
      year.
      >
      >Thank you very much, Matt. I love the concept of the Wiki. I had a look at the
      Matronics/Kitfox place and found only a question from Doug.
      >Because this is the place where all important information about the Kitfox should
      be, I decided to start writing a few lines about the history of the Kitfox.
      To show how it works, I also added a link from the word "taildragger" to a definition
      of it.
      >
      >I would like to ask my friends of this list to visit the site and add whatever
      they find relevant. Remember that you can edit anything that is there and, please,
      edit my modest dbut. Also remember that is the world wide web in its best
      form: you link words to other places. Wiki allows you to link internally (to
      another place where you find already a definition, or where you add your own
      complementary definition, or to an external link.
      >
      >Please put this link in your Favorites:
      >http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox
      >
      >... and contribute for the benefit of everyone.
      >
      >Cheers,
      >Michel
      
      You're very welcome.  The Wiki is much like our Email List in that the usefulness
      and utility is only as good as the content people add.  The Wiki is very much
      a community effort.  Don't be afraid to add some of your own person content
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      I encourage everyone to check out the Wiki and add some content!
      Let's make the Kitfox section on the Matronics Wiki the definitive source for all
      Kitfox information.  I noticed the other day that the RV guys have really gone
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      A new Email List Photo Share is available:
      
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      	Lists:   Kitfox-List
      
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      Thanks for the quick replies Guys, I had forgotten about the Sportflight
      web site Deke so thanks for that. Jon, your trailer is simple and well
      designed . I would appreciate your offer of measurements if you have
      time. Good comments also Don. I realize the suspension will be a
      critical consideration as G loading will be a real issue on our poorly
      serviced roads. 
      
      Regards
      Graeme Toft
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
      Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 12:09 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailer.
      
      Jraeme,
          Here are my personal thoughts on a Kitfox trailer.  Trailer must
      have:
      1.  dual axles to help bridge pot holes. (large tires for softer ride)
      2.  light suspension to carry intended load without being too stiff.
      3.  elevated tail ramp that will support the tail end of the fuselage
      and not the tail wheel. (keep weight off tail spring while towing)
      4.  Consider designing independent suspension for the tail ramp which is
      seperate from the main trailer. (softer ride)
      5.  imbeded fuel tank in trailer to support wing tank capacity (12VDC
      fuel transfer pump for refueling)  
      6. Winch for loading.
      Sorry, no plans just thoughts.  There have been a couple cases of
      damaged fuselage from trailering.
      
      Don Smythe
      
      .  
      
      Hi guys, I know this one has been thrown around the paddock many times
      before but my situation is that I am able to get a trailer made at my
      work site as our boiler makers are sitting around with nothing to do. I
      have the steel and am ready to go but I do not have any plans or
      dimentions for them to work off. Can anyone send me either specs or a
      plan with dimentions that will allow us to get a start. Like many
      others, I file information like this for safe keeping on my home
      computer but as Im working away at the moment I don=92t have access to 
      the
      info. Any assistance would be great. Thanks guys.
      Cheers
      Graeme
      
      
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      27/10/2006
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      Thank you Lowell.
      
      Floran H.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
      Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:05 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
      
      
      >
      > Mike,  I frankly wish Steve would reread and act on one of his recent 
      > posts when he said,  (snip) "This is my last reply to any of the issues I 
      > presented for comment and discussion".
      >
      > Steve, enough!!  If someone wants to proceed with this thread, please take 
      > it off list.
      >
      > The problem as I see it, when someone has totally destroyed his 
      > credibility on any issue by continued unrelenting argument, it will likely 
      > effect his credibility on most other Kitfox related issues he might care 
      > to comment on.
      >
      > Lowell
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: <michaelgibbs@cox.net>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:57 AM
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: FAA aircraft chart for download
      >
      >
      >>
      >> Steve sez:
      >>
      >>> The chart is showing that the potential, or certificated, maximum weight
      >>> of the aircraft is not a disqualification, and confirms that the words
      >>> maximum takeoff weight, as used in the 1.1 definition is the sum of
      >>> conditions that include .the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of 
      >>> the
      >>> total fuel capacity, and the weight of the pilot , and passenger if 
      >>> applicable,
      >>> and whatever baggage you intend to carry in the aircraft.
      >>
      >> Steve, you have repeatedly asked responders for references to the FARs in 
      >> contesting your notions.  I have wasted a considerable amount of my time 
      >> trying to substantiate this nonsense.  FAR 1.1 says, in part:
      >>
      >> "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or 
      >> powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to 
      >> meet the following:
      >> (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-- ...
      >> (ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation 
      >> on water;..."
      >>
      >> Apparently, your confusion comes from the phrase "maximum takeoff 
      >> weight." Your challenge is to produce the FAR that defines maximum 
      >> takeoff weight. The previous references you have provided are NOT found 
      >> in the FARs, they are part of the COMMENTARY the FAA provided in response 
      >> to public COMMENT on the proposed light-sport ruling.  Show us the FAR 
      >> that DEFINES the phrase "maximum takeoff weight."  I was unable to locate 
      >> such a definition.  There is a definition for "maximum certificated 
      >> takeoff weight" in 14 CFR Ch. II, ss294.1, (f), but it does not support 
      >> your claim: "Maximum certificated takeoff weight means the maximum 
      >> takeoff weight authorized by the terms of the aircraft airworthiness 
      >> certificate. This weight may be found in the airplane operating record or 
      >> in the airplane flight manual that is incorporated by regulation into the 
      >> airworthiness certificate."
      >>
      >> I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on television, but I would not be 
      >> surprised if you incurred some liability if someone acts on your 
      >> interpretation of the light-sport regulations and is subsequently 
      >> sanctioned by the FAA.
      >>
      >> Geez, here I am ignoring my own advice to just let this topic die.  :-p
      >>
      >> Mike G.
      >> N728KF
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > -- 
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Powerfin 69" 3-blade prop | 
      
      SOLD
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines 
      By:
      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator 
      
      - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something 
      to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I 
      agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent 
      to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
      
      Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone 
      polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack 
      other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously 
      controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that 
      will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Using current information and guidelines is important on many issues it would seem.
      Dont worry about  hurt feelings,   Sticks and stones will break my bones.etc etc.
      steve
      
      --------
      Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver  (...talk about folding wings!!!) 
      New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
      great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73959#73959
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine Heater | 
      
      Thank you Stan.
      Deke
      
      do not archive
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Stan Bearup 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:48 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine Heater
      
      
        Check out the link below for the Northern Companion preheater. A very 
      effective and light weight engine preheat system designed by an Alaskan 
      bush pilot for the Alaskan environment.
      
        Stan
      
      
      http://www.myles-rec.com/Aviation%20Accessories/folder3/Northern%20Compan
      ion/northerntindex.html
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! | 
      
      
      Nice Fox Graeme!
      Deke
      
      do not archive
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures@matronics.com>
      Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:40 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share
      Available!
      
      
      <pictures@matronics.com>
      >
      >
      > A new Email List Photo Share is available:
      >
      > Poster:  Graeme Toft <msm@byterocky.net>
      >
      > Lists:   Kitfox-List
      >
      > Subject: First Flight After Rebuild
      >
      >
      http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/msm@byterocky.net.11.12.2006/index.html
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: [ Graeme Toft ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! | 
      
      
       Very beautiful bird Graeme. I am very happy for you that you are flying 
      again .
      
      Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly Kitfox
      John Perry 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      
      84KF wrote:
      > 
      >     There seems to be a lack of response to your question. This is due to the
      common and contagious infliction known as Foot in Mouth  disease, the result
      of which is extreme embarrassment, and the  sudden urge to avoid further inflammation
      and discomfort from speaking out.
      
      
      A couple of posts later:
      
      
      84KF wrote:
      > 
      > Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone 
      > polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack 
      > other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously 
      > controversial issue.
      > 
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74001#74001
      
      
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| Subject:  | Fire extinguisher Mount Location | 
      
      
      Mine is in a similar location but laterally in front of the passengers seat
      so the pilot can reach it easier.  There isn't too much room there for
      passengers feet as my ELT is just to the right of the flap lever.. 
      
      Noel
      
      
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 
      > Guy Buchanan
      > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:04 AM
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fire extinguisher Mount Location
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > At 01:00 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
      > >Where have some of you mounted a fire extinguisher.
      > 
      > Mine's sideways in front of the pilot's stick, mounted to the 
      > floorboard. 
      > It seemed the most out-of-the-way, yet handiest, spot.
      > 
      > 
      > Guy Buchanan
      > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.  
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FAA aircraft chart for download | 
      
      
      Ok.. Ya got me there. I humbly apoligize.
      
      Is there nothing to be said about the FAA chart though? 
      That's the point of the original post on this topic.
      I really would like to get some opinions on how you see it.
      Steve
      
      --------
      Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver  (...talk about folding wings!!!) 
      New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
      great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74006#74006
      
      
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      To all the Kitfox flyers...
      
      My kitfox is registered as a model III-A.  The serial # is 736.  I was going
      through some of the paper work the other day and noticed the original order
      was for a model II.  
      
      I am wondering where I can go to find out what has to be done to the plane
      to increase the MTOW from 950 to 1050 safely.  Transport Canada has agreed
      to bump it up if I really want it.  I would like to do that only if it is
      safe.
      
      The question is this: Is my plane actually a model 2  1/2???  It has the
      separate engine mount and the wing tanks with the small header tank under
      the panel.  The wings are concave on the bottoms.  At the time the plane was
      originally sold as a kit the Rotax 912 engine was an option.
      
      I've checked with John McBean and he is as much in the dark as I am on this
      one.....  I guess this one is extra unique.... I don't suppose Dan Denney is
      still around??
      
      Noel
      
      
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      Thanks to the off list response of a nameless member I used a heat gun to 
      reshrink some loose fabric on my rudder.   The cutting off of the old 
      fabric, patching, and painting would have in no way been a better repair 
      than simply waving the magic wand at the problem.  After patching in fabric 
      on the fuselage I also used it to eliminate distant wrinkles that did not go 
      away when the new fabric was shrunk.  I understand the need for 
      instructions, but sometimes a little common sense must prevail.   Sorry, 
      can't always follow the heard.   Thanks again for the off list advice.  Ron 
      NB Ore
      
      _________________________________________________________________
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Model III-A?? | 
      
      
      Noel,
      
      Do ou have a serial number.  We have 17 model IIIs and 13 Model IIs in the 
      data base.  Maybe a serial number and the help from those folks could fix 
      your airplane in that time frame.
      
      Lowell
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
      Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:45 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Model III-A??
      
      
      >
      > To all the Kitfox flyers...
      >
      > My kitfox is registered as a model III-A.  The serial # is 736.  I was 
      > going
      > through some of the paper work the other day and noticed the original 
      > order
      > was for a model II.
      >
      > I am wondering where I can go to find out what has to be done to the plane
      > to increase the MTOW from 950 to 1050 safely.  Transport Canada has agreed
      > to bump it up if I really want it.  I would like to do that only if it is
      > safe.
      >
      > The question is this: Is my plane actually a model 2  1/2???  It has the
      > separate engine mount and the wing tanks with the small header tank under
      > the panel.  The wings are concave on the bottoms.  At the time the plane 
      > was
      > originally sold as a kit the Rotax 912 engine was an option.
      >
      > I've checked with John McBean and he is as much in the dark as I am on 
      > this
      > one.....  I guess this one is extra unique.... I don't suppose Dan Denney 
      > is
      > still around??
      >
      > Noel
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Reshrunk fabric | 
      
      
      At 08:19 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
      >Thanks to the off list response of a nameless member I used a heat gun to
      >reshrink some loose fabric on my rudder.
      
      Leave them nameless if you want, but I'd love to hear what you did and how 
      you did it.
      
      Thanks in advance,
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. 
      
      
 
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