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0. 12:10 AM - Why? [Please Read] (Matt Dralle)
1. 02:56 AM - Re: Bing Carb Overflow (Barry West)
2. 03:17 AM - Re: Jabiru Service Bulletin (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:52 AM - Primer for 912UL (Howard)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: Jabiru Service Bulletin (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Strobe light (Fox5flyer)
6. 05:30 AM - Re: Strobe light (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: Strobe light (john perry)
8. 08:20 AM - Strobe light, now Charging system (Fox5flyer)
9. 09:49 AM - Re: Strobe light, now Charging system (kurt schrader)
10. 01:00 PM - Re: Open letter to the list administrator (skyring)
11. 01:02 PM - Kitfox 7 or CH701 (ramrod25)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: Strobe light, now Charging system (Noel Loveys)
13. 02:09 PM - Re: Open letter to the list administrator (84KF)
14. 04:18 PM - prop pitch and reduction (kirk hull)
15. 04:42 PM - Re: prop pitch and reduction (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
16. 05:16 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 (dave)
17. 05:58 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 (John Marzulli)
18. 06:27 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 (jdmcbean)
19. 06:30 PM - off topic PA 28 crash (Aerobatics@aol.com)
20. 06:45 PM - OT Got the call... (Andrew Matthaey)
21. 07:12 PM - Re: Open letter to the list administrator (Michael Gibbs)
22. 07:24 PM - Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 (dcsfoto)
23. 07:32 PM - Re: Open letter to the list administrator (84KF)
24. 07:44 PM - Muffler for Kitfox Model IV 912UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
25. 08:01 PM - Repairs (Jimmie Blackwell)
26. 08:11 PM - Re: prop pitch and reduction (kirk hull)
27. 08:15 PM - Re: Repairs (kirk hull)
28. 08:34 PM - Re: Repairs (crazyivan)
29. 09:26 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 (kurt schrader)
30. 09:40 PM - Re: OT Got the call... (kurt schrader)
31. 09:43 PM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (kurt schrader)
32. 10:25 PM - Glare Shield/Dash (John Allen)
33. 10:37 PM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (Aerobatics@AOL.COM)
34. 11:44 PM - Re: prop pitch and reduction (JC Propellerdesign)
35. 11:55 PM - Re: OT Got the call... (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
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| Subject: | Re: Bing Carb Overflow |
David, I went through this off and on for more than a year before the
problem was resolved. The model IV has the intake manifolds reversed so the
carbs are further outboard than usual. I asume the model V is the same.
Mine was an older 912 S. The problem was the result of the rather violent
shaking on shut down, exagerated at the carbs because of being so far from
the center and also because of the higher compression ratio of the engine.
At times the overflow would occur during idle and the fuel would actually
foam in the bowls and continue to overflow.
The problem could usually be temporarily solved by adjusting the throttles
and idle mixtures, but it kept coming back. Finaly, I sent the gear box to
Lockwood and they adjusted the sprag clutch which reduced the shaking at
shut down and I have not had that problem since. I have nearly 500 hours
on the engine now. I believe later engines already have the proper
adjustment.
Of course the problem could be due to the float level being not right. It
would be a good idea to remove the bowl on the carb that is overflowing and
be sure that the arm that supports the float is level with the bottom of the
carb. This is somthing that can change with time.
I strongly reccommend you call Lockwood and discuss this with their tech
guys.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Estapa" <davestapa@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing Carb Overflow
>
> I just got back from the airport taxi testing my 5 with a 912S. When I
> shut the engine down the left carb overflow drips fuel, probably little
> more than a couple of table spoons full. Right one is fine. (I also have
> the spill pans so not dropping on anything hot). I was wondering if
> anyone has an idea at what to look for. Haven't torn into the carb yet.
> The engine has about an hour on it. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> David Estapa
> Woodstock, GA
> N97DE S5 TD
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru Service Bulletin |
> From: Jim Crowder [jimlc@att.net]
> I have saved your illustrations as I feel I will no doubt be pleased
> to have them in the future.
Jim, if I understand correctly, you will receive a new Jabiru 3300. In that case,
your engine has the flywheel mounted with dowel pins and you can ignore this
service bulletin.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Primer for 912UL |
I am thinking about installing a primer on my IV...Would like some
suggestions on best hookup and routing.
Thanks.
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Service Bulletin |
I agree with Jim. Excellent photo sequence. Thanks Michel.
Deke
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>
> Michel,
> I have saved your illustrations as I feel I will no doubt be pleased
> to have them in the future.
>
> Thanks, Jim Crowder
>
> At 10:24 AM 11/18/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >For the sake of those who have a Kitfox with a Jabiru engine, but
> >are not on the Jabiru list, here is the link to the inspection and
> >re-torque of the flywheel bolts I did today.
> >
> >http://home.online.no/~michel/Flywheel/
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe light |
MessageJohn, I was always under the impression that only thing that
would probably happen is that when the amperage exceeded the capacity of
the alternator that it would then just start drawing from the battery,
slowly drawing it down. I wasn't aware that it could damage the
alternator. Do I have to change my thinking now? :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: john perry
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
Noel
when I added it all up it came out to 10.16 amps max at 12 volt . Of
course I am not running all of this at once . But am still under the 80
%. This is something that alot of people do not understand when it
comes to electricity. I agree it should never be run at max capacity for
very long or it will burn out the generator.
Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
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You're not even up to 70% capacity yet it is amazing how many widgets
you
can attach to a plane today with very little current consumption. Last
year
I tried to build an electric carburettor heater. it worked pretty well
on
battery power with a low enough current requirement. With the engine
running and more current available it popped the breaker. One of these
days
I'll redesign it to consume no more than 5 A.
Noel
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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
Noel
when I added it all up it came out to 10.16 amps max at 12 volt . Of
course
I am not running all of this at once . But am still under the 80 %.
This is
something that alot of people do not understand when it comes to
electricity. I agree it should never be run at max capacity for very
long or
it will burn out the generator.
Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe light |
MessageI burned up 2 regulators and 1 stator before i understood
electricity this was in my younger days lol. In my experience even with
a good battery but higher draw than electrical capacity for long then
it could and will burn up something . The other side is we now have
great breakers to help with this if it pops then to much draw on breaker
now .
I gootta get to work
John Perry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
John, I was always under the impression that only thing that would
probably happen is that when the amperage exceeded the capacity of the
alternator that it would then just start drawing from the battery,
slowly drawing it down. I wasn't aware that it could damage the
alternator. Do I have to change my thinking now? :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: john perry
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
Noel
when I added it all up it came out to 10.16 amps max at 12 volt . Of
course I am not running all of this at once . But am still under the 80
%. This is something that alot of people do not understand when it
comes to electricity. I agree it should never be run at max capacity for
very long or it will burn out the generator.
Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
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| Subject: | Strobe light, now Charging system |
MessageThanks for the reply John. When I had my M2 582 with volt meter
and no amp gauge, turning on the Whelens (on top of everything else)
would cause the system to overload to the point that it was no longer
charging and slightly discharging. This was only when I turned on the
position lights as they're pretty demanding. I learned to just turn on
the position lights for taxi only and relied on the strobes for flight.
The discharging happened quite often, but it was something I could
control by reducing demand on the system. At no time did it cause any
problems. You think it might be possible that your regulators and
stator were coincidences? The supplied regulators with the 582 were
pretty much disposable junk and most of them would fail in short time.
I guess I just don't understand the dynamics of what will burn up and
why. Can anybody explain this?
Regards,
Deke
I burned up 2 regulators and 1 stator before i understood electricity
this was in my younger days lol. In my experience even with a good
battery but higher draw than electrical capacity for long then it could
and will burn up something . The other side is we now have great
breakers to help with this if it pops then to much draw on breaker now .
I gootta get to work
John Perry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
John, I was always under the impression that only thing that would
probably happen is that when the amperage exceeded the capacity of the
alternator that it would then just start drawing from the battery,
slowly drawing it down. I wasn't aware that it could damage the
alternator. Do I have to change my thinking now? :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: john perry
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
Noel
when I added it all up it came out to 10.16 amps max at 12 volt .
Of course I am not running all of this at once . But am still under the
80 %. This is something that alot of people do not understand when it
comes to electricity. I agree it should never be run at max capacity for
very long or it will burn out the generator.
Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Strobe light, now Charging system |
Deke,
One thing seldom mentioned is that heat is a big
factor in the life of electrical parts. Increasing
the amount of cooling air getting to the alternator
and regulator can allow them to handle more amps.
Mounting them near hot points or where radiated and
conducted heat can get to them may reduce their lives.
Having the alternator embedded in the engine case can
really limit life as you get close to the rated
charging level. So someone with good cooling will
have a completely different parts life than someone
with hot electrical parts.
The amps draw of course is a big heat generator in the
part itself. Also, regulators with points can burn
the points thru high current draw reguardless of
cooling. Points are effectively welding and breaking
the weld as they opperate. The material eventually
burns off, faster with higher current.
So it is a combination of things that determine the
life of electrical parts. Lower current = lower
electrical heating. Protection from other heat
sources = lower temps. Cooling air flow = lower
temps. Lower current = less welding of points.
Just my take on the subject.
Kurt S.
--- Fox5flyer <fox5flyer@i-star.com> wrote:
> ...The supplied regulators with the 582 were pretty
> much disposable junk and most of them would fail in
> short time. I guess I just don't understand the
> dynamics of what will burn up and why. Can anybody
> explain this?
> Regards,
> Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Open letter to the list administrator |
In my opinion this list is a community as well as a valuable source of inormation
about Kitfox aircraft. Much of the entertaining "chat" is, at least for me,
as powerful a reason for being on the list as the technical information. I learn
about the personalities that fly these planes and when our fox is flying I
will meet up with some of them. So let's not have a list that is purely technical.
Let us have a list that is informative, funny and at times personal. I find
it easy to skip the topics I don't need.
Kerry. Kitfox builders helper.
Almost ready to fly (again) S5 Outback.
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| Subject: | Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
I have decided I definitaly want a tri-cycle gear stol airplane. My concern is
that the CH701 nosegear appears to be much more structurally solid than the current
Kitfox design. However, I think the Kitfox is a better looking/performing
airplane.
Is the current Kitfox design strong enough to handle a large tire upfront or will
structural modifications be required.
Your thoughts,
Regards,
Rodney Wren
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| Subject: | Strobe light, now Charging system |
The lighting plant (coils) in the 582 work a little differently than the
voltage regulator in your car and only slightly differently than the old
carbon pucks in an old Bell 206, not that many of us have had the fun of
playing with those.
Basically it is a transistorized regulator. It requires a battery or
consistent load ( a dirt big resistor if your plane doesn't have a
battery),
to be installed to operate properly. If your battery gets into an over
charge situation and doesn't offer a place for the regulator to put
excess
current then that little regulator chip I mentioned a moment ago will
over
heat and fry in short order. One thing that you should be aware of is
the
Voltage regulator that comes with these little engines is also a unit
called
a rectifier. This means that the lighting coils produce AC voltage
similar
to what you get out of your wall socket. The battery and all the other
neat
stuff in your plane requires DC. In the case of the R582 the regulator
not
only keeps a consistent 13.8V on your system while operating but it
converts
the AC to DC so you can use it. The rectifier circuits are usually
built to
handle a lot more power than the generator can gen or an alternator can
alter ;-). But in the case of a battery with a bad ground the regulator
will try to dissipate excess current itself in the form of heat. The
bad
news is it isn't designed to do that.
The generator coils in your engine will try to produce as much power as
they
can at all times so it is fairly easy to over load them. The best
advice is
to keep all the grounds clean as possible. That includes a good
grounding
strap between the engine and the frame of the plane (engine mounts
insulate
the ground) and the ground side of the battery.
Most electrical problems I've seen in aircraft, cars, trucks and boats
will
usually be traced back to a rotten ground somewhere.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Strobe light, now Charging system
Thanks for the reply John. When I had my M2 582 with volt meter and no
amp
gauge, turning on the Whelens (on top of everything else) would cause
the
system to overload to the point that it was no longer charging and
slightly
discharging. This was only when I turned on the position lights as
they're
pretty demanding. I learned to just turn on the position lights for
taxi
only and relied on the strobes for flight. The discharging happened
quite
often, but it was something I could control by reducing demand on the
system. At no time did it cause any problems. You think it might be
possible that your regulators and stator were coincidences? The
supplied
regulators with the 582 were pretty much disposable junk and most of
them
would fail in short time. I guess I just don't understand the dynamics
of
what will burn up and why. Can anybody explain this?
Regards,
Deke
I burned up 2 regulators and 1 stator before i understood electricity
this
was in my younger days lol. In my experience even with a good battery
but
higher draw than electrical capacity for long then it could and will
burn
up something . The other side is we now have great breakers to help with
this if it pops then to much draw on breaker now .
I gootta get to work
John Perry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer <mailto:fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
John, I was always under the impression that only thing that would
probably
happen is that when the amperage exceeded the capacity of the alternator
that it would then just start drawing from the battery, slowly drawing
it
down. I wasn't aware that it could damage the alternator. Do I have to
change my thinking now? :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: john <mailto:eskflyer@lvcisp.com> perry
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Strobe light
Noel
when I added it all up it came out to 10.16 amps max at 12 volt . Of
course
I am not running all of this at once . But am still under the 80 %.
This is
something that alot of people do not understand when it comes to
electricity. I agree it should never be run at max capacity for very
long or
it will burn out the generator.
Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
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| Subject: | Re: Open letter to the list administrator |
The prior poster DID use the words Flying, and the word Kitfox...therefor the
post has been approved and is properly formatted.
steve
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Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
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| Subject: | prop pitch and reduction |
I was just wandering what pitch people were running with what reduction
ratio?
I was told by the prop shop that with a 100 HP and 2.2 reduction on a
70=94
warpdrive to use around 14 deg. I have been using 17 =BD deg and
getting a
little noise from the reduction at low power settings
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| Subject: | Re: prop pitch and reduction |
is the plain level is the prop hub perfectly vertical? do you realy have
17%? becouse 3% would give you a realy weard rpm setting at max rpm mal
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
Rodney, Both Kitfox and 701 are both very solid structurely made.
I have a 582 Kitfox IV and My friend has a 701 with 912 UL
701 cruise at 85 and Kitfox at about 90 both on wheels.
both plane will go to same places and climb out the same.
701 is a draggy airplane - those leading edge cuffs will give you a rude
awakening if you have a engien failure as your glide ratio will be like a
brick.
His 701 cannot beat me on climb or rate of climb but maybe a steeper angle
on best angle of climb. Overall both a great planes . I would take a
tailwheel Kitfox over a tri gear if you are planing alot of off airport
flying.
Can I ask what your reasoning is for the Tri gear configuration ?
Also I did couple of videos here http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ on
Kitfox flying....
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From: "ramrod25" <r_wren@wfec.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 7 or CH701
>
> I have decided I definitaly want a tri-cycle gear stol airplane. My
> concern is that the CH701 nosegear appears to be much more structurally
> solid than the current Kitfox design. However, I think the Kitfox is a
> better looking/performing airplane.
>
> Is the current Kitfox design strong enough to handle a large tire upfront
> or will structural modifications be required.
>
> Your thoughts,
>
> Regards,
> Rodney Wren
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75938#75938
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
There are other considerations you may want to think about, such as the
build process. Each plane goes together in fundamentally different manners.
Typically any of the Kitfoxes have a faster cruise speed, but the 701 is LSA
compliant.
If you are really thinking about hitting grass runways or river beds, then
reconsider the tricycle gear, it's much easier to put large tires on a
dragger.
On 11/20/06, ramrod25 <r_wren@wfec.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have decided I definitaly want a tri-cycle gear stol airplane. My
> concern is that the CH701 nosegear appears to be much more structurally
> solid than the current Kitfox design. However, I think the Kitfox is a
> better looking/performing airplane.
>
> Is the current Kitfox design strong enough to handle a large tire upfront
> or will structural modifications be required.
>
> Your thoughts,
>
> Regards,
> Rodney Wren
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75938#75938
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
Kitfox is also LSA compliant..
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Marzulli
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 7 or CH701
There are other considerations you may want to think about, such as the
build process. Each plane goes together in fundamentally different manners.
Typically any of the Kitfoxes have a faster cruise speed, but the 701 is LSA
compliant.
If you are really thinking about hitting grass runways or river beds, then
reconsider the tricycle gear, it's much easier to put large tires on a
dragger.
On 11/20/06, ramrod25 < r_wren@wfec.com <mailto:r_wren@wfec.com> > wrote:
<mailto:r_wren@wfec.com> >
I have decided I definitaly want a tri-cycle gear stol airplane. My concern
is that the CH701 nosegear appears to be much more structurally solid than
the current Kitfox design. However, I think the Kitfox is a better
looking/performing airplane.
Is the current Kitfox design strong enough to handle a large tire upfront or
will structural modifications be required.
Your thoughts,
Regards,
Rodney Wren
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75938#75938
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | off topic PA 28 crash |
I was working on my wheel pants for my KF2 and a Piper PA 28 flew very low
over my house and impacted the ground about 1 mile away. It happened about 5
45 pm tonite... It was calm cold clear night.
TV is here as well as many cops etc. Engine was running....
That's all I know as I look at the flashing lights from my living room
window.... I live way out in the country, closest house from me is 1/2 mile...
Dave
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| Subject: | OT Got the call... |
Heya List...
Well I've only been flight instructing for about 7 weeks here in Oregon, and
I actually got the call a few days ago - can't believe how quick that was!!
I've got an interview next tuesday 9am (CST) for a new-hire class first week
of December to fly the ERJ-145...Wish me luck everybody! I've been working
my tail off for the last four years for this!!
Andrew
KF3
CFI/CFII/MEI
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| Subject: | Re: Open letter to the list administrator |
Steve sez:
>...it seems you have been chosen the "whipping boy " of the week by
>the self-proclaimed internet police.
Nothing self-proclaimed about it. Deke and Don are the list
administrators and they DO make the rules. The company Matt OWNS
hosts the list. The rest of us are guests and should behave
accordingly.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
i have built a 701 and now am a Kitfox owner..
can give you a good comparison if you want contact me.
Hands down Kitfox is a Winner
david@kelm.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76008#76008
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| Subject: | Re: Open letter to the list administrator |
Agreed, and not disputed.
But not according to the whim of each individual who disaproves. What the fun in
that?
steve
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Steve: Former Fi-156 'Storch' driver (...talk about folding wings!!!)
New owner, not builder- Kitfox V / 912UL / Warp Dr 3 blade. Thanks to the late
great Ray Mudge, Brighton Mi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76013#76013
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| Subject: | Muffler for Kitfox Model IV 912UL |
A friend of mine, (not a list member), needs a muffler for a Model IV
with 912 UL engine. Hopefully, one of you has a source for this type
muffler.
Thanks
Jimmie
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I know this subject has been discussed before, but would like to clarify
it again with the help of some of you with more experience and knowledge
than me. In the case of a second owner of an experimental aircraft, is
it legal for the second owner to make repairs which are outside the
scope of owner/operator repairs allowed for certified aircraft?
It has always been my understanding that a second owner of an
experimental aircraft could do any repairs as long as the aircraft is
certified as airworthy by at least an A&P every year. Does the second
owner need to have each repair signed off by an A&P or is it sufficient
to have an A&P just certify the aircraft as airworthy each year?
Jimmie
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| Subject: | prop pitch and reduction |
The procedure done to set the pitch was correct with 17 =BD being the
correct
pitch ( using same equipment used to set pitch on connies ) I think that
the
prop shop was thinking that was a lot of pitch for an 80HP engine but
the
100 HP seems to have no problem with it other then the slight noise at
idol.
I was just wandering if others were using that much pitch with a similar
reduction ratio. I have a Subaru with a 2.2 reduction. What are others
running?
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Malcolmbru@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: prop pitch and reduction
is the plain level is the prop hub perfectly vertical? do you realy
have
17%? becouse 3% would give you a realy weard rpm setting at max rpm
mal
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The way I understood it was that you had to have an A&P or a repairmans cert
to return it to service. I am new to the experimental stuff with most of my
experience is with airliners so I could be wrong.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Repairs
I know this subject has been discussed before, but would like to clarify it
again with the help of some of you with more experience and knowledge than
me. In the case of a second owner of an experimental aircraft, is it legal
for the second owner to make repairs which are outside the scope of
owner/operator repairs allowed for certified aircraft?
It has always been my understanding that a second owner of an experimental
aircraft could do any repairs as long as the aircraft is certified as
airworthy by at least an A&P every year. Does the second owner need to have
each repair signed off by an A&P or is it sufficient to have an A&P just
certify the aircraft as airworthy each year?
Jimmie
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Like all things, especially those that get into regulatory and you butt on the
line, check with an expert.
My amature reply is that you as the non-builder owner can do all of the maintenance
but an A&P must do your annual. I'm not sure if the A&P must be "annual"
authorized, but I don't think so. I just changed my prop and the local FSDO
knows all about it.
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
david,
I have a friend who is building his second rans. I
would like to hear your comparison, and probably some
others here wouldn't mind either. Some lurkers may
not have made the purchase decision yet and you might
help. others who have decided on the Fox wouldn't
mind another supportive comparison made from
experience.
Kurt S. s-5
--- dcsfoto <david@kelm.com> wrote:
> i have built a 701 and now am a Kitfox owner..
> can give you a good comparison if you want contact
> me.
> Hands down Kitfox is a Winner
>
> david@kelm.com
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| Subject: | Re: OT Got the call... |
Way to go Andrew!
Making it a little more on topic....
Don't forget to keep flying Fox's. I've got 1/2 a
gazillian hours in heavy metal, but my V-1 cuts
improved greatly as soon as I started tailwheel Fox
flying. They make keeping sharp fun.
Just the other week we 2 (alone) were flying from
Brazil into the mountain country of Bogata Columbia in
a 767 when both FMC computers failed over the jungle.
Autopilot, autothrottles and navigation systems just
about gone. We were Fox flying at FL350. Add to it,
the controllers were in a tizzy because they had the
worst aviation accident in brazil history recently and
some controllers may go to jail. Those on duty were
rerouting us all over, and neither of us understand
Portugese. It was a very busy 6 hours.
yup, map and compass in a 767 over the Amazon....
Kurt S. S-5 (and proud of it)
--- Andrew Matthaey <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Heya List...
>
> Well I've only been flight instructing for about 7
> weeks here in Oregon, and
> I actually got the call a few days ago - can't
> believe how quick that was!!
>
> I've got an interview next tuesday 9am (CST) for a
> new-hire class first week
> of December to fly the ERJ-145...Wish me luck
> everybody! I've been working
> my tail off for the last four years for this!!
>
> Andrew
> KF3
> CFI/CFII/MEI
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
Where are you Dave? How close to an airport and what
was the weather? Always something we can learn from
accidents not to do.
Kurt S. (Old Marine Corps accident investigator)
--- Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
> I was working on my wheel pants for my KF2 and a
> Piper PA 28 flew very low
> over my house and impacted the ground about 1 mile
> away. It happened about 5
> 45 pm tonite... It was calm cold clear night.
>
> TV is here as well as many cops etc. Engine was
> running....
>
> That's all I know as I look at the flashing lights
> from my living room
> window.... I live way out in the country, closest
> house from me is 1/2 mile...
>
> Dave
Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr
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| Subject: | Glare Shield/Dash |
Any good ideas out there on making a glare shield for
a IV?
Black carpet.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
In a message dated 11/20/2006 11:44:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
Where are you Dave? How close to an airport and what
was the weather? Always something we can learn from
accidents not to do.
I live in the country, 100 miles due south of Midway airport Chicago. I
live about 19 miles East of Paxton airport 1C1 DNV is about 25 South of
impact. Kentland Indiana is about 25 Miles NE. Kankakee is about 35 Miles
North of impact. There are a few small strips closer. but none closer than 10
miles.
Sunset was about 4:40 It was about one hour after sunset. The temp was
about 45 F winds light, very clear. A perfect VFR night. I fly a lot at night
logging about 80 hours of night alone last year.
I personally was at Paxton airport making wheel pants for my KF2, wife was
at home about to leave to meet me for dinner when she saw a plane fly over head
at about 250 feet. She texted me asking if it was me and that I was too low
as she was driving to airport.
I said no, I am still in hanger..... wonder who was buzzing at night???
Then my phone rang off the hook because I am in a partnership in a warrior
based at 1C1 and one crashed near my house. They all thought it was me. I am
glad it wasn't me, but sadly a sole was lost.
I am still looking out my window to see many flashing lights. FAA are to
arrive tomorrow morning.
Sandy said when the plane flew over, lights were on, engine seemed fine and
wings seemed level.
If what she says is correct, it was a gradual straight impact. Who knows.
Its still so early.
I am sorry this is not KF stuff, but certainly flying related,
Best
Dave KF 2
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| Subject: | Re: prop pitch and reduction |
Kirk,
100 HP at what engine / prop RPM ?
and what it top Speed?
with 100 HP you will make 115 - 120 MPH SL ??
say 2500 RPM and 117 MPH for an example will be around 16,7 deg @ 75% of
the radii.
2400 RPM and 117 will be 17,35 deg @ 75% radii
2300 RPM and 117 will be 18 deg @ 75% radii
Jan Carlsson
www.jcpropellerdesign.com
----- Original Message -----
From: kirk hull
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; Al Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: prop pitch and reduction
I was just wandering what pitch people were running with what
reduction ratio?
I was told by the prop shop that with a 100 HP and 2.2 reduction on a
70" warpdrive to use around 14 deg. I have been using 17 =BD deg and
getting a little noise from the reduction at low power settings
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| Subject: | OT Got the call... |
> From: Andrew Matthaey [spaghettiohead@hotmail.com]
> ...Wish me luck everybody!
Keeping my finger crossed and started the Good Vibes machine right now, Andrew!
Michel
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