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0. 01:02 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:12 AM - Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL (Rexster)
2. 05:45 AM - From Steam to Glass (Dan Billingsley)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: From Steam to Glass (Bob)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: From Steam to Glass (Ben-PA)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 (ramrod25)
6. 07:47 AM - rudder horn-vixen (jusplanefun@juno.com)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: From Steam to Glass (Lowell Fitt)
8. 08:46 AM - Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
9. 08:46 AM - Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Repairs (Jimmie Blackwell)
11. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Repairs (Jimmie Blackwell)
12. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Repairs (Jimmie Blackwell)
13. 09:42 AM - Re: rudder horn-vixen (Don Smythe)
14. 10:10 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? (ramrod25)
15. 10:38 AM - Preheater (Frank Miles)
16. 10:46 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? (crazyivan)
17. 10:53 AM - Re: rudder horn-vixen (jusplanefun@juno.com)
18. 11:05 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Michael Gibbs)
19. 11:56 AM - Re: Model IV Buttrib-fuselage seal (Dan Mc Intyre)
20. 12:05 PM - Re: Preheater (Marco Menezes)
21. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Randy Daughenbaugh)
22. 12:41 PM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (ramrod25)
23. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Don Smythe)
24. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? (Rueb, Duane)
25. 01:47 PM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (Andrew Matthaey)
26. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? (Lowell Fitt)
27. 03:04 PM - Re: rudder horn-vixen (Tom Jones)
28. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Repairs (Glenn Horne)
29. 03:44 PM - Repairs (Fox5flyer)
30. 04:23 PM - Preheater (Larry Martin)
31. 05:06 PM - Re: Repairs (Glenn Horne)
32. 06:59 PM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (Aerobatics@aol.com)
33. 07:35 PM - Re: Preheater (Frank Miles)
34. 07:53 PM - Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL (david yeamans)
35. 09:23 PM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
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| Subject: | Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL |
Hi Jimmie,
As far as I know, the model 4 muffler was made by the Kitfox people s
pecifically for the Kitfox plane. It is not a Rotax part. Are you sure y
ou need a new one? Several people I know, including myself had the baffl
e inside come loose. We cut the muffler open and rewelded the baffle and
welded the muffler closed again. A year later, the baffle came loose ag
ain. That time, I cut the muffler open and removed the baffle before clo
sing things up. It's been running fine ever since with little or no diff
erence in sound or temps.
That's my experience, for what it's worth. I have approximately 200 h
ours of no baffle running time with no problems. Good luck.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Would appreciate anyone on the list letting me know if you have a source
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<html><P>Hi Jimmie,</P>
<P> As far as I know, the model 4 muffler was made by the Ki
tfox people specifically for the Kitfox plane. It is not a Rot
ax part. Are you sure you need a new one? Several people I know, in
cluding myself had the baffle inside come loose. We cut the muffler open
and rewelded the baffle and welded the muffler closed again. A year lat
er, the baffle came loose again. That time, I cut the muffler open and r
emoved the baffle before closing things up. It's been running fine ever
since with little or no difference in sound or temps. </P>
<P> That's my experience, for what it's worth. I have approx
imately 200 hours of no baffle running time with no problems. Good luck.
</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR><BR>-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <Jimmi
eBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:<BR></P>
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| Subject: | From Steam to Glass |
I am at a crossroad in building my panel and was wondering if anyone here has actually
made the switch to an all glass panel? I have an EFIS as well as an EIS
(EMS), yet I still feel the need (want) to put the steam air speed &VSI next
to it. If you have gone through this "weaning" process...how was it? Do you still
feel the need for (a round) speed? <g>
Thanks,
Dan B, Mesa AZ
KF-IV 314DW
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| Subject: | Re: From Steam to Glass |
Kind of depends on what you'll use the airplane for and what you find easier to
stay on top of. I really have been in an IFR-capable Kitfox and for back-up
to the Dynon the owner has a round-dial altimeter, airspeed, and an electric horizon.
This combination is also pretty common in the RV-airplanes. About 30
years ago I worked for Lockheed on the L-1011 and we had customers order the
vertical tape engine instruments who found that non-round displays were so counter-intuitive
that they retrofitted round dials. The benefit of round dials
is that with a glance they are easier to interpret. I'm flying VFR and personally
(important word) like to have round dial displays of heading, airspeed, and
altitude just because I find that I have a more intuitive knowledge of where
things are. I don't want an artificial horizon, DG, etc. On the other hand,
my boss likes the high-tech toys and has a RV-9 with a really bare-looking panel
that just has a Dynon, Garmin 296, EIS , transponder/encoder, and com radio.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: From Steam to Glass |
Dan,
I installed an Horizon Sport HZ EFIS and don't miss the ASI at all. The only need
you would have for one is if you plan to fly IMC.
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 7 or CH701 |
Appreciate all the kind and thoughtful responses. Where to start.
Sjklerts - Glide ratio/ability is very important and more than one person has mentioned
that the Kitfox is superior in this catagory. That's one major reason
if I built a CH701 that the slats would go and the vortex generators would be
used instead.
Dave - I live in Fort Towson, Oklahoma - in the eastern part of the state just
above the border with Texas. How very kind of you to offer a flight, but it would
appear the distances are too great. However, if you ever plan a flight in
this area and need a place to spend a night - just email me.
Smoky - The weight of the engine is a very real issue, especially with a nose gear.
I'll have to study that some more - that is also one reason that the Rotax
might be the engine of choice. Having said that - there are lots of Skylanes
out there that have had the firewall bent by bad piloting technique. I know
some people that could tear up a sledge hammer with a rubber ball. I may want
to contact John McBean at Kitfox and see if they have any design data on the
ultimate load for the nose gear. I have talked to him once before and he was
very helpful. Also consider that the Ram Subaru is capable of 140HP - on take-off
the nosegear would be off immediatly and the plane ought to be in the air
in 250 feet. The only real issue I see would be on landing. Does the elevator
have the authority to hold the nosegear off as the speed decreases? You are
right in that you definitely don't want to "dump" the nosegear on landing.
Vortex generators placed on the underside of the elevator are said to increase
it's authority at low speeds. Any thoughts or experience on that subject?
Eskflyer - I am not aware of any restriction relative to "off airport" landings
that would keep us from landing on the Red River. What's the difference between
us doing that and all the guys that land on river bars in Alaska? I am certainly
not expert on all of the FAA regs and perhaps someone with more knowlege
will weigh in, but at this juncture I think it would be totally legal. Send
me a private email - I would love to see your airplane - maybe we could find
a time to meet.
Rdmac - I've not pulled the trigger on an airplane purchase yet, still contemplating
choices but I would very much like to see your airplane too. Could you
send me a private email? I'd very much like to arrange a time to come up to Duncan
if that would be possible.
Dave - thanks for the video link to the "Kitfox flying from the Trailer Park."
Are you trying to make me rethink my "nosegear only" position? I'll say one thing
- what could be more fun than spending a lazy summer afternoon slipping onto
a grass runway shooting touch and goes??? Or, ease down to land on a sandbar
on the river and throw in a fishing line for a few minutes.
I had to quit flying in the early 70's - college, family, kids to raise etc. Now
it's time to get back to my "first love" - flying. I acquired 40 acres, and
will have both north/south and east/west 1000 foot runways with no trees or
obstructions on either end. As soon as I finish building the house, I'll start
on the runways. By then, I want to have done all my research on both the airplane
and engine possibilities, and be ready to either build one or buy one.
I'll probably find one that is just perfect - and won't you know it, it'll
be a taildragger. Perhaps the video that Dave sent is convincing me that a Kitfox
taildragger may not be as "wild" as I am imagining.
Again - thanks for all the helpful thoughts
Regards
Rodney Wren
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| Subject: | rudder horn-vixen |
I am about ready to cover my fuselage on a series 5 vixen. While I was g
etting measurements where the rudder cables will come through the fabric
to attach to the rudder, I noticed that there will be alot of contact b
etween the cables and the fabric, and also the rudder itself. In my manu
als table of contents under fuselage assembly, there is a reference to p
age 86 which is titled rudder horn modification. This page is missing fr
om my manual. I was wondering if someone has found a good solution to th
is situation, or if was unique to my plane. If anyone has a modification
to the rudder horn that has worked well, I would appreciate any informa
tion I could get from them and a picture would be great. T
hanks for the info! Chris.
<html>I am about ready to cover my fuselage on a series 5 vixen. While I
was getting measurements where the rudder cables will come through the
fabric to attach to the rudder, I noticed that there will be a
lot of contact between the cables and the fabric, and also the rudder it
self. In my manuals table of contents under fuselage assembly, there is
a reference to page 86 which is titled rudder horn modification. This pa
ge is missing from my manual. I was wondering if someone has&n
bsp;found a good solution to this situation, or if was unique to my plan
e. If anyone has a modification to the rudder horn that has worked well,
I would appreciate any information I could get from them and a picture
would be great. &nb
sp; Thanks for the info! Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: From Steam to Glass |
Dan, I am of the steam gauge era, not necessarily by choice as that is all
there was when I was panel building. I have taken off a couple of times
with the pitot blocked, once due to a too quick preflight forgetting to
remove the "remove before flight" ribbon and another time thanks to a mud
dobber. It was a bit antsy for me, but that was just because I hadn't
landed without gauges before. The landings were fine as it isn't hard to
see feel and listen for the normal seat of the pants inputs. With GPS for
cruise and fuel management back-up, I don't find any issues with the glass
panel.
One thing, though, tests have found that a glance at a needle is more
readily understood than a look at a number. This is spoken from a
fundamental ignorance of what the displays look like. I would suspect that
there would be some sort of graphic display for the quick scan.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Billingsley" <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: From Steam to Glass
>I am at a crossroad in building my panel and was wondering if anyone here
>has actually made the switch to an all glass panel? I have an EFIS as well
>as an EIS (EMS), yet I still feel the need (want) to put the steam air
>speed &VSI next to it. If you have gone through this "weaning"
>process...how was it? Do you still feel the need for (a round) speed? <g>
> Thanks,
> Dan B, Mesa AZ
> KF-IV 314DW
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL |
Actually I was checking for a friend of mine. Not having seen the
muffler I am not sure about the repairability of it.
One thing that comes to mind though, our Kitfox's will certainly
outlast the mufflers and all of us will eventually need a muffler and
exhaust pipes. Perhaps John McBean has plans to provide them in the
future.
Appreciate the response.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL
Hi Jimmie,
As far as I know, the model 4 muffler was made by the Kitfox people
specifically for the Kitfox plane. It is not a Rotax part. Are you sure
you need a new one? Several people I know, including myself had the
baffle inside come loose. We cut the muffler open and rewelded the
baffle and welded the muffler closed again. A year later, the baffle
came loose again. That time, I cut the muffler open and removed the
baffle before closing things up. It's been running fine ever since with
little or no difference in sound or temps.
That's my experience, for what it's worth. I have approximately 200
hours of no baffle running time with no problems. Good luck.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Would appreciate anyone on the list letting me know if you have a
source for a Model IV 912UL muffler.
roelectric.com
com/">www.buildersbooks.com
kitlog.com
homebuilthelp.com
www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL |
Will do that. Thank you Randy.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL
You might want to look at what Just Aircraft supplies for the
Highlander. Its one muffler for each side. You end up with dual pipes
and a nice compact package.
Randy
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:33 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL
Would appreciate anyone on the list letting me know if you have a
source for a Model IV 912UL muffler.
www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitf
ox-List
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Tom
Thank you for your comprehensive response. That goes along with what I
understand.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
> In plain English: Anyone can work on an experimental aircraft and the
> only signature ever needed is for the annual condition inspection. This
> signature must be the builder with a Repairman's Certificate or someone
> with at least an A&P.
>
> In gobuldy gook:
> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
>
> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply
> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
> conduct yourself.
>
> What is a Condition Inspection?
> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
> operating limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or
> something similar):
>
> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
> inspection will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
> inspections shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing
> the following or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this
> aircraft has been inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope
> and detail of appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for
> safe operation." The entry will include the aircraft total time in
> service, and the name, signature, certificate number, and type of
> certificate held by the
> person performing the inspection.
>
> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
>
> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the Condition
> Inspection?
> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
> provided the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from
> the FAA. Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the
> A&P mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that
> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76092#76092
>
>
>
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Thanks Kirk.
Have a happy Thanksgiving.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
> This I am sure about. Any A&P can do your annual . they do not need an
> IA
> to do It. I have done some for friends and I only have an A&P.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
>
> Like all things, especially those that get into regulatory and you butt on
> the line, check with an expert.
>
> My amature reply is that you as the non-builder owner can do all of the
> maintenance but an A&P must do your annual. I'm not sure if the A&P must
> be
> "annual" authorized, but I don't think so. I just changed my prop and the
> local FSDO knows all about it.
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76030#76030
>
>
>
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Dave
I changed my prop as well and did all the paperwork through my local FSDO.
It did not matter to the FSDO whether I had a repairman's certificate or
not.
Appreciate your response and have a great Thanksgiving.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:33 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
> Like all things, especially those that get into regulatory and you butt on
> the line, check with an expert.
>
> My amature reply is that you as the non-builder owner can do all of the
> maintenance but an A&P must do your annual. I'm not sure if the A&P must
> be "annual" authorized, but I don't think so. I just changed my prop and
> the local FSDO knows all about it.
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76030#76030
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder horn-vixen |
Chris,
I'm not sure what the rudder horn modification was but, you might
check the below link for rudder cable fairings. The cable fits through
these little fairings (on the outside of the fuselage) and are cemented
to the fabric after the holes are cut. They help cover the hole and
provide a little aerodynamic design. I assume you are talking about the
cable rubbing the fabric at the hole location and not down the length of
the fuselage??? I built the Classic IV and the cable doesn't come
anywhere near the fabric except at the hole.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ccfairings.php
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: jusplanefun@juno.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: rudder horn-vixen
assembly, there is a reference to page 86 which is titled rudder horn
modification. This page is missing from my manual. I was wondering if
someone has found a good solution to this situation, or if was unique to
my plane. If anyone has a modification to the rudder horn that has
worked well, I would appreciate any information I could get from them
and a picture would be great. Thanks for the info! Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? |
Oh - you guys are really putting it on me here!!! LOL -
Rex - thanks for a really detailed explaination of how you learned to fly a taildragger.
I'm going to read that several more times.
I remember my dad telling me that you fly a taildragger from the time you untie
the wings, until you get back on the ground and tie it down again. Course, he
was a WWII fighter pilot (P-51's - P-47, P-40) and he had about 6000 hrs in
a T-6. He was a heck of a pilot.
I watched all the video's that Dave provided a link to. Very interesting.
You guys have me at a disadvantage since I'm not a taildragger pilot, but here
are some of my thoughts.
Rex - can you do a three-pointer in a 20 mph crosswind?? I'll bet your pretty
darn busy in the cockpit, and then even after you land, with the wing at a positive
angle of attack - it still wants to fly. I would imagine that landing
on a paved runway would be even more unforgiving than grass.
Somewhere I read a book by one of the original Flying Tigers, and he talked about
never trying to three-point any taildragger in a heavy crosswind. His point
was that at such a low speed, there was not enough control authority to keep
from being blown across the runway.
You guys have at least convinced me enough to try to find a taildragger Kitfox
and beg a ride in one; but at this time I just don't see the advantage. Given
a properly designed nosegear, with a large, soft tire, and the low landing speeds
that a Kitfox can perform at, which one would you rather land in, in a gusty
crosswind. A taildragger or a tri-gear?
It all boils down to a function of the level of skill you have in flying the airplane.
If I had a 1000 hrs in a taildragger - I'd be just as comfortable as
ya'll are - see now there is the answer to problem!!! If I tell my wife that
I need to get the airplane now, before I get the house built so I can build a
lot of hours in a taildragger - you think that would work????
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Rodney Wren
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Has anyone found a preheater that can be plumbed into the cooling system
of
a 582? Years ago we could buy auto preheaters that went into the heater
plumbing but the auto parts stores today don=92t seem to know what I am
talking about. It was a very simple thing with water in and water out.
Frank
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4:48 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? |
I was like you. With over 2500 hours on tri gear I was convinced I wanted to buy
a tri gear plane. I went to look at a taildragger Speedster for sale because
it was close by. During the demo flight, the seller (a CFI) let me do a few
take-offs and landings from the left seat. I was hooked. Not because it was
easy. On the contrary, it was like learning to fly again. It was a challenge
to make my arms and legs work at putting the plane where it needed to be..this
ain't no C-152. I bought it!
After my 10-hours dual I really felt like I was ready to fly her and not scrape
the wingtip.
Now after 30 hours and about 60 landings I can honestly say that I have become
a better pilot than I would have ever been by sticking with the nose wheel. I
wouldn't say I was comfortable yet, but I am confident that I could make her
go where I want and put her down where I want without her jumping away from me.
I just have to fly the plane and not get complacent.
I may fly a nose wheel again, but somebody would have to pay me. This taildragger
thing is too much fun and satisfying.
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: rudder horn-vixen |
I have not thought of moving the cables with pulleys, but I will look at
that option. Don, the cables actually will be on the fabric for about 4
". This is caused by the cable and the fabric being on just about the sa
me angle at the exit point.Then when the rudder is at max throw, the opp
osite direction cable is pulled hard against the front of the rudder. Th
ank to all for the replies! chris
<html>I have not thought of moving the cables with pulleys, but I will l
ook at that option. Don, the cables actually will be on the fabric for a
bout 4". This is caused by the cable and the fabric being on just about
the same angle at the exit point.Then when the rudder is at max throw, t
he opposite direction cable is pulled hard against the front of the rudd
er. Thank to all for the replies! chris
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
>...you say you definitely want nose gear but you don't say why
>unless I missed it somewhere else.
The topic of tail dragger versus nose wheel has been beaten to death
quite a few times on the list and, obviously, there is no "right"
answer for everyone--each has its pros and cons. What I wonder is,
why do the rest of us care what someone else wants to do? The guy
told us what he wants, end of story!
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV Buttrib-fuselage seal |
Thanks for info Dave. I think I will cover the buttribs as you did. What thickness
of aliminum did you use for the under side cover?
Thanks again
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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You mean something like this?
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2000837/p-2000837/N-111+10201+600001648/c-10101
Frank Miles <f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net> wrote:
Has anyone found a preheater that can be plumbed into the cooling
system of a 582? Years ago we could buy auto preheaters that went into the
heater plumbing but the auto parts stores today dont seem to know what I am talking
about. It was a very simple thing with water in and water out.
Frank
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
"The guy told us what he wants, end of story!"
Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
And we are honor bound to correct him. ;-)
Randy
PS. I agree with Dave.
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Michael - I'm sure you are right - there is no one answer about taildragger or
nosegear. It's a lot like the high wing / low wing issue.
Have you ever heard the saying that the real test of finding an intelligent person
is when you find someone that agrees with you?
I do appreciate all points of view and am willing to listen to the pros and cons
of the issue. I always find that there are some issues that I may not have
considered which are worth examining. I've received lots of nice emails from
folks advising me to keep an open mind.
I won't say I'm convinced, but perhaps a crack has developed to the extent that
I am going to find someone close with a taildragger and have a good look at it.
Perhaps I even might get a flight in one.
--------
Regards,
Rodney Wren
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Randy,
I haven't seen a post lately that hit my funny side but yours cracked me
up. We are honor bound. Ha....
Don Smythe
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
> Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
> And we are honor bound to correct him. ;-)
>
> Randy
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? |
List:
One of the reasons I bought my Kitfox is that it is a tail
dragger, and I wanted the experience of learning to use such an
aircraft. It was, after all, the first configuration that became
commonplace. My previous experience was limited to trikes, and I did
even teach in them part time for a while in the late 70's. I felt that
I had gained a fair amount of proficiency in those days, but the tail
dragger was not yet in my list of accomplishments till recently. I am
still learning to become an expert, and that is my goal. I have made
some mistakes, and have caused minor damage to my landing gear, but am
still enthusiastic about learning to master my little plane. Our
Kitfoxes are challenging due to being so responsive even at low speeds,
but then the rewards for becoming proficient are greater too.
So why should anyone want such an airplane? Have you ever
seen someone do the porpoise maneuver in a nose dragger? It is not a
pretty sight, to be sure, cause when the nose wheel is forced down and
the plane bounces back, the angle of attack then becomes positive, and
the plane goes back up, and if the propeller was fortunate enough to not
have contacted the runway on the first one, and the power is added soon
enough, then a go around can be established. But when done at its
worst, this boing boing maneuver becomes exaggerated, and well, it
usually then results in a prop strike, and sometimes even a total hull
loss.
No matter which configuration, there is a possible hazard
when the thing transitions from ground to air, and back. Good
instruction and plenty of practice is the cure. Asphalt runways are
less forgiving than grass, but if you make sure that you have adjusted
your wheel alignment correctly, and use as large a tail wheel as is
practical for your bird, this will go a long way toward taming it. Many
of the tail draggers found on most fields have the main wheels set with
toe in, which causes them to be far more difficult to operate;
especially on rough asphalt. They should be neutral to toed out one to
one & 1/2 degrees. The camber should also be properly adjusted, but is
less critical. This can go a long way toward making the airplane fun
and not treacherous.
Alignment of the landing gear, and tail wheel angle/caster
settings and diameter selection are often given short shrift by
owner/pilots, after all, it is an AIRplane, and true, these things don't
matter a bit when it is flying, but take the time to do it, and you will
be pleased with the results during that oh so critical transition phase
from being a somewhat clumsy ground thing to flight and back.
Duane Rueb, N24ZM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ramrod25
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ?
Oh - you guys are really putting it on me here!!! LOL -
Rex - thanks for a really detailed explaination of how you learned to
fly a taildragger. I'm going to read that several more times.
I remember my dad telling me that you fly a taildragger from the time
you untie the wings, until you get back on the ground and tie it down
again. Course, he was a WWII fighter pilot (P-51's - P-47, P-40) and he
had about 6000 hrs in a T-6. He was a heck of a pilot.
I watched all the video's that Dave provided a link to. Very
interesting.
You guys have me at a disadvantage since I'm not a taildragger pilot,
but here are some of my thoughts.
Rex - can you do a three-pointer in a 20 mph crosswind?? I'll bet your
pretty darn busy in the cockpit, and then even after you land, with the
wing at a positive angle of attack - it still wants to fly. I would
imagine that landing on a paved runway would be even more unforgiving
than grass.
Somewhere I read a book by one of the original Flying Tigers, and he
talked about never trying to three-point any taildragger in a heavy
crosswind. His point was that at such a low speed, there was not enough
control authority to keep from being blown across the runway.
You guys have at least convinced me enough to try to find a taildragger
Kitfox and beg a ride in one; but at this time I just don't see the
advantage. Given a properly designed nosegear, with a large, soft tire,
and the low landing speeds that a Kitfox can perform at, which one would
you rather land in, in a gusty crosswind. A taildragger or a tri-gear?
It all boils down to a function of the level of skill you have in flying
the airplane. If I had a 1000 hrs in a taildragger - I'd be just as
comfortable as ya'll are - see now there is the answer to problem!!!
If I tell my wife that I need to get the airplane now, before I get the
house built so I can build a lot of hours in a taildragger - you think
that would work????
--------
Regards,
Rodney Wren
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
Jeeez...CFIT?? Medical problem perhaps? Too many questions - keep us
updated...
Andrew
KF3
CFI/CFII/MEI
ERJ-145 Hopeful
>From: Aerobatics@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: off topic PA 28 crash
>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:35:44 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 11/20/2006 11:44:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
>
>Where are you Dave? How close to an airport and what
>was the weather? Always something we can learn from
>accidents not to do.
>
>
>I live in the country, 100 miles due south of Midway airport Chicago. I
>live about 19 miles East of Paxton airport 1C1 DNV is about 25 South of
>impact. Kentland Indiana is about 25 Miles NE. Kankakee is about 35
>Miles
>North of impact. There are a few small strips closer. but none closer
>than 10
>miles.
>
>Sunset was about 4:40 It was about one hour after sunset. The temp was
>about 45 F winds light, very clear. A perfect VFR night. I fly a lot at
>night
>logging about 80 hours of night alone last year.
>
>I personally was at Paxton airport making wheel pants for my KF2, wife was
>at home about to leave to meet me for dinner when she saw a plane fly over
>head
> at about 250 feet. She texted me asking if it was me and that I was too
>low
>as she was driving to airport.
>
>I said no, I am still in hanger..... wonder who was buzzing at night???
>
>Then my phone rang off the hook because I am in a partnership in a warrior
>based at 1C1 and one crashed near my house. They all thought it was me.
>I am
>glad it wasn't me, but sadly a sole was lost.
>
>I am still looking out my window to see many flashing lights. FAA are to
>arrive tomorrow morning.
>
>Sandy said when the plane flew over, lights were on, engine seemed fine and
>wings seemed level.
>
>If what she says is correct, it was a gradual straight impact. Who knows.
>Its still so early.
>
>I am sorry this is not KF stuff, but certainly flying related,
>
>Best
>
>Dave KF 2
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger ? |
>
> Rex - can you do a three-pointer in a 20 mph crosswind??
Rodney,
A couple of years ago a flight of six - five Kitfoxes- all Model IVs and a
Rans S-6 landed at Jackpot, Nevada on the way home from a four day Idaho
back country sojourne. It was late in the afternoon with developing weather
and we wanted to get on the ground.
During the landing it was estimated that the Xwind was 8 mph at 90 left.
On the ground it was estlimated that it was closer to 25 mph as you couldn't
release the brakes and exit the airplanes without someone holding the wings.
I don't consider myself an expert pilot, but managed it OK. I think the
estimate of 8 given by the lead airplane pilot, helped me the most. I
believe to this day that if he had said 25 at 90, I would have frozen at the
controls and done the landing by the numbers rather than by just flying the
airplane. The Rans was a nose wheel version of the S-6 and all the IVs were,
of course, taildraggers. As you suggested, I was pretty busy flying the
landing and can't state for sure what landing configuration the other IVs
were in, but I did touch down in the three point and I have never ever seen
any of the guys I fly with do a wheel landing.
There are some tricks that help with the transition. If you do find that
you are flying with a tailwheel. There is lots of help available.
Again, it seems you are doing your homework fine and will make the right
decision.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: rudder horn-vixen |
Chris, here is a service bullitin about Vixen cable guides. Could your guides be
in the wrong location causing the cable to rub?
Tom Jones
SERVICE LETTER #36
DATE: August 22, 1994
SUBJECT: Cable Guides
APPLICABILITY: Series 5 Aircraft through S/N S9407xxxx; Vixens through S/N
V9407xxxx
COMPLIANCE: As required
FROM: SkyStar Aircraft Product Development Department
Some Series 5 fuselage weldments have been shipped that had the aft rudder cable
guides welded to the inside of the fuselage tubing instead of the outside.
Inspect your fuselage to ensure that your cable guides were properly positioned.
If you find that your guides were mis-located, contact Customer Service at
(Old defunct Skystar phone number). We have developed a simple retrofit kit
that allows you to install cable guides in the correct location without having
to do any welding; request P/N 10435.000.
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My though were that an A&P can do the annual but is took an IA to return the
aircraft back to service. An A&P could do a 100 hr inspection an return the
aircraft back to service.
I may be wrong.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
> <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
>
> Thanks Kirk.
>
> Have a happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:22 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
>
>>
>> This I am sure about. Any A&P can do your annual . they do not need an
>> IA
>> to do It. I have done some for friends and I only have an A&P.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>>
>>
>> Like all things, especially those that get into regulatory and you butt
>> on
>> the line, check with an expert.
>>
>> My amature reply is that you as the non-builder owner can do all of the
>> maintenance but an A&P must do your annual. I'm not sure if the A&P must
>> be
>> "annual" authorized, but I don't think so. I just changed my prop and
>> the
>> local FSDO knows all about it.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave
>> Speedster 912 UL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76030#76030
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Yes, Glenn. With due respect, I'm about 99 percent sure you're wrong.
Anybody can do the work, but it only takes an A&P or the builder to sign off
the condition inspection and return it to service. Sure, an AI can do it
too, but not required. One of the wonderful things about the experimental
world...
I'm sure somebody around here can quote the chapter and verse.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
> My though were that an A&P can do the annual but is took an IA to return
the
> aircraft back to service. An A&P could do a 100 hr inspection an return
the
> aircraft back to service.
> I may be wrong.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
>
> > <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> >
> > Thanks Kirk.
> >
> > Have a happy Thanksgiving.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:22 AM
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
> >
> >
> >>
> >> This I am sure about. Any A&P can do your annual . they do not need
an
> >> IA
> >> to do It. I have done some for friends and I only have an A&P.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
> >>
> >>
> >> Like all things, especially those that get into regulatory and you butt
> >> on
> >> the line, check with an expert.
> >>
> >> My amature reply is that you as the non-builder owner can do all of the
> >> maintenance but an A&P must do your annual. I'm not sure if the A&P
must
> >> be
> >> "annual" authorized, but I don't think so. I just changed my prop and
> >> the
> >> local FSDO knows all about it.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Dave
> >> Speedster 912 UL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76030#76030
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I use and electric heater that goes into the rad hose. Bought from a
Ski Doo dealer. I imagine most "sled" places would have them, as I
would think that the rad hoses should all be 1". Think I paid <$30 us
for it.
larry
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Yes. I was thinking of certified aircraft, not experimental.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Repairs
>
> Yes, Glenn. With due respect, I'm about 99 percent sure you're wrong.
> Anybody can do the work, but it only takes an A&P or the builder to sign
> off
> the condition inspection and return it to service. Sure, an AI can do it
> too, but not required. One of the wonderful things about the experimental
> world...
> I'm sure somebody around here can quote the chapter and verse.
> Deke
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>
>
>>
>> My though were that an A&P can do the annual but is took an IA to return
> the
>> aircraft back to service. An A&P could do a 100 hr inspection an return
> the
>> aircraft back to service.
>> I may be wrong.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>>
>>
>> > <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
>> >
>> > Thanks Kirk.
>> >
>> > Have a happy Thanksgiving.
>> >
>> > Jimmie
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
>> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:22 AM
>> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This I am sure about. Any A&P can do your annual . they do not need
> an
>> >> IA
>> >> to do It. I have done some for friends and I only have an A&P.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 PM
>> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Like all things, especially those that get into regulatory and you
>> >> butt
>> >> on
>> >> the line, check with an expert.
>> >>
>> >> My amature reply is that you as the non-builder owner can do all of
>> >> the
>> >> maintenance but an A&P must do your annual. I'm not sure if the A&P
> must
>> >> be
>> >> "annual" authorized, but I don't think so. I just changed my prop and
>> >> the
>> >> local FSDO knows all about it.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Dave
>> >> Speedster 912 UL
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76030#76030
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
In a message dated 11/22/2006 3:49:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,
spaghettiohead@hotmail.com writes:
Jeeez...CFIT?? Medical problem perhaps? Too many questions - keep us
updated...
Andrew
KF3
CFI/CFII/MEI
ERJ-145 Hopeful
I will promise....
what is CFIT?
Coroner report say he was fine.... so far
I took photos from the air but dont know how to post....
Dave
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Thanks Larry, I don=92t know why I keep forgetting about their
snowmobile
=93cousins=94.
Frank
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Preheater
I use and electric heater that goes into the rad hose. Bought from a
Ski
Doo dealer. I imagine most "sled" places would have them, as I would
think
that the rad hoses should all be 1". Think I paid <$30 us for it.
larry
"http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com
"http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com
"http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com
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ion
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igator?Kitfox-List
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4:48 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL |
Hello Jimmy,
I just had a new muffler installed on my header pipes by John
McBean.
( Kitfox Aircraft now ) I sent in my header pipes and he put them in
the
appropriate Jigs to fit the 912 UL to the kitfox IV 1200, I got them
back last
thursday an installed it the next day, and they fit like a glove.
Call John McBean, he can fix you up. amoung a lot of other
things
David, 4
1200 912 UL
( No one else is capible in doing this )
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL
Would appreciate anyone on the list letting me know if you have a
source for a Model IV 912UL muffler.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
CFIT is the number one killer up here in alaska.. Controlled Flight Into Terrain.
Generally speaking, it is when a pilot takes a perfectly good aircraft, make
a few dumb mistakes (such and flying into a mountain pass in bad weather) and
procedes to make himself a permanent part of the terrain..
oh yeah... and to keep it relevant, I hope no one from this list does this in a
KITFOX.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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