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1. 06:11 AM - Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
2. 09:51 AM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (Michael Gibbs)
3. 10:39 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Michael Gibbs)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (cirrus10)
5. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Dan Billingsley)
6. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Lowell Fitt)
7. 03:01 PM - 3 pointers Crosswind (Rex Shaw)
8. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (john perry)
10. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Lynn Matteson)
11. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (dave)
12. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Don Smythe)
13. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (john perry)
14. 09:56 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (ron schick)
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| Subject: | Re: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL |
Thanks. Did talk to John and he can do it, but is backed up with moving
for now.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: david yeamans
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL
Hello Jimmy,
I just had a new muffler installed on my header pipes by John
McBean.
( Kitfox Aircraft now ) I sent in my header pipes and he put them
in the
appropriate Jigs to fit the 912 UL to the kitfox IV 1200, I got them
back last
thursday an installed it the next day, and they fit like a glove.
Call John McBean, he can fix you up. amoung a lot of other
things
David, 4
1200 912 UL
( No one else is capible in doing this )
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Muffler Source for Model IV 912 UL
Would appreciate anyone on the list letting me know if you have a
source for a Model IV 912UL muffler.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
>oh yeah... and to keep it relevant, I hope no one from this list
>does this in a KITFOX.
I guess that makes my accident a UFIT. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Randy sez:
>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous
one, because:
I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
landing.
My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
induced drag from the wing.
I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
for takeoff and when touching down.
I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
concern for a prop strike.
The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
during high winds.
The wing generates less lift when the plane is
tied down in high winds.
The plane sits level on the ground which is more
comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to
be unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I
earned in an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to
anyone. :-)
There, I've done my duty. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Touche! Sorry, don't have that squigley thing that goes over the e on my
keyboard.
Ed----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Randy sez:
>
>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>
> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>
> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous one,
> because:
>
> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
> landing.
>
> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>
> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
> induced drag from the wing.
>
> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
> for takeoff and when touching down.
>
> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
> concern for a prop strike.
>
> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
> during high winds.
>
> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
> tied down in high winds.
>
> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>
> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>
> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>
> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>
> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>
> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to be
> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I earned in
> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
>
> There, I've done my duty. :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
A duty well served and well said Mike. Some just don't get it.
Dan B
Building KF-IV, 912s, Tri-gear
Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
Randy sez:
>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous
one, because:
I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
landing.
My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
induced drag from the wing.
I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
for takeoff and when touching down.
I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
concern for a prop strike.
The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
during high winds.
The wing generates less lift when the plane is
tied down in high winds.
The plane sits level on the ground which is more
comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to
be unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I
earned in an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to
anyone. :-)
There, I've done my duty. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
This is an interesting subject that is almost like talking about ones
favorite football team (it's rivalry week). The subject comes up regularly
and was the original reason for the survey that resulted in the List
Database. Mike gave lots of reasons for his preference, but the importance
of each is a matter of personal opinion. One thing I sense is that many in
the Desert Fox group have opted for tricycle gear airplanes. It makes me
wonder what geographic / climate factors came into this preference or if it
is more subjective than that.
In our data base there are 124 Kitfoxes listed. 96 are tailwheel, 11 are
tricycle and 7 are on floats. The ratio would change a bit as most of the
Desert Fox Squadron are not in the database.
I do know of at least one Kitfox that was flipped onto it's back after
catching a nosewheel. I have witnessed a nosewheel collapse on landing
damaging at least the nosewheel strut and the prop and likely the engine
after the inevitable prop strike - not a Kitfox. Neither of these
"annoyances" would ever happen in a tailwheel Kitfox unless a main was
seriously trapped in a major hole.
Personally, I like the looks of the tailwheel airplane a lot better - can't
get more subjective than that, and most of Mike's reasons for the nosewheel
are pretty much preferences, except for the visibility issue which is real.
There are several that can be accommodated for much more easily than a nose
wheel converion - the fuel gauge reading for example - I have two scales
below 6 gallons, above that I find the readings close enough to not make any
difference. And the wheel pants? I don't have them and stand on the wheels
to check the oil and wash the windshield and instruct passengers to do the
same when entering the airplane as I do. There are a couple I would argue
with, but then that would be my opinion against his.
Speaking of entering and exiting an airplane. Any Kitfox is a piece of cake
compared to the Lancair IV I am helping with and this one has the
retractable step.
Tail wheel? That's all I have ever known except about 8 hours and one long
X-country in a C-182 - dose that count as a nosewheel endorsement? :-)
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Randy sez:
>
>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>
> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>
> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous one,
> because:
>
> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
> landing.
>
> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>
> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
> induced drag from the wing.
>
> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
> for takeoff and when touching down.
>
> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
> concern for a prop strike.
>
> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
> during high winds.
>
> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
> tied down in high winds.
>
> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>
> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>
> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>
> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>
> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>
> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to be
> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I earned in
> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
>
> There, I've done my duty. :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 3 pointers Crosswind |
Rex - can you do a three-pointer in a 20 mph crosswind?? I'll bet your
pretty
darn busy in the cockpit, and then even after you land, with the wing at
a positive
angle of attack - it still wants to fly. I would imagine that landing
on a paved runway would be even more unforgiving than grass.
Rodney, to be perfectly honest I don't make a habit of taking on
crosswinds for a challenge anymore but I should. However when I was
initially learning tail dragging I was doing that sort of thing and I do
remember taking on a 90 degree 20 knot crosswind from the right. I
figured I was asking for trouble but gave it a go anyway. The book says
15 knots for my plane. Well I had no trouble at all really. The only
thing was once the speed got real low, well after touchdown, it did
start to come around [weather cock] I just fed back in a bit of power to
get control over the tail. ie:- force the tail down and rudder response.
Now I see Lowell saying he has handled 25 K !!!!
I'm not sure here if your emphasis was on 3 pointer against wheeler or
tri-gear. In my opinion I would far sooner be doing it 3 pointer. I
think when you loose speed and the tail drops in a wheeler you are in a
very vulnerable position. Perhaps that's just me because I'm very
uncomfortable doing wheelers. It would be interesting what someone says
that does wheelers all the time.
A small point here in case you do go taildragger. My MKIV had a Maule
SFSA tail wheel originally and this was very noisy and slithered all
over the place. I and some others have changed just the wheel for an
Aircraft Spruce Homebuilders wheel for about $30. Not only does
everything get much quieter but control is dramatically improved as it
does not slither around like the Maule wheel. Of course one must always
remember to keep the stick hard back into the cushion when looking for
control on the ground.
Re crosswind in the tri-gear Jabiru I trained in. Well it was the
early Jabiru admittedly. The book says 14 k. I can't remember exactly
what I did achieve cross wind in it but I do have vivid memories of poor
control virtually to the point of no control at low speeds. It has very
small control surfaces. My MKIV Kitfox on the other hand is brilliant at
low speeds in comparison. The flapperons are a big plus and the tail
areas are really good on the later models.
Somone, was it you ? mentioned the quote that their are tail dragger
pilots that have ground looped and those that are going too and that's
the only two kinds. I guess we all go through a stage of being paranoid
about looping it and yes I have done it once and gone close twice. Twice
was due to trying to use brakes at considerable speed. The other was
learning crosswind touch and go on grass. As I lifted the tail the wind
started to turn the plane and me and my CFI friend both hit right rudder
at the same time. It was a handfull for a minute and I took off across
the very broad grass strip. However now days I really don't think about
looping it anymore. I feel I can control it. However one must still be
very much on their toes and not over relax. As far as grass or bitumen
goes. Grass is definitely preferable because in a swing the front wheels
are the pivot point. If you are on grass they can slip a bit and reduce
the severity but bitumen hangs on like a leach. Be aware once you reach
a certain point in a ground loop it is unstopable.
These days I just feel happier and more in control in my Kitfox. I
love it !
Rex.
PS
nearly missed your bit about the wing at a positive angle of
attack even after you've landed. Yes it is but remember when you 3 point
you don't touch down until you stall. That helps but you are still
vulnerable if the crosswind weather cocks you into the wind before you
drop below stall speed then the wind becomes a head wind effectively
increasing your speed. Also as the outside wing comes around it' will
increase speed. Never the less as I mentioned earlier just a little
power can help here and after all by now it is all but over and the
speed is fast dropping. You can handle it !
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Geeze Michael, it will take me a long time to prepare a response to that.
In fact I might not even get around to it.
But just so you don't get the last word, I will say that for me, it comes
down to a three letter word.
How are you doing? When are you getting back in the air?
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
Randy sez:
>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous
one, because:
I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
landing.
My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
induced drag from the wing.
I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
for takeoff and when touching down.
I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
concern for a prop strike.
The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
during high winds.
The wing generates less lift when the plane is
tied down in high winds.
The plane sits level on the ground which is more
comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to
be unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I
earned in an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to
anyone. :-)
There, I've done my duty. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Im steppin in this lol . Its getting deep . .Dont think a tri gear can
even fly outta this . HEHEH
You must be short to not see outta the TD KITFOX visibility if fine . TAXI
TAKEOFF AND LANDING.
TD fuel gauges read right on the money FILL THE TANK BEFORE YOU FLY . Have
you read NTSB records and see how many crashes are due to ignorant pilots
trusting there fuel gauges and not looking in and sticking tanks and topping
off before flight .
Full throttle brakes locked bring tail up and fly away , I have less drag
than a TRI GEAR FOX .
Nope not in anyway can you achieve a higher angle of attack Ill challenge ya
on this one and fly side by side , and unless you drag your tail on landing
aint no way your gonna get the pitch angle higher.
Have you ever tipped a trike over HMMM if not keep stompin on them there
brakes buddy and fly that prop right into the ground and ding a wing tip .
By the way I wouldnt stomp on my brakes when landing just aplly softly and
stop in 150 feet or less. I land in fresh turned soil in wheat fields all
the time and never had a problem .
I have taxied mine in 40 MPH winds and it was not fun but i did it and kept
her from flying off.
OK I agree with ya on this one but heck . Ill still tie mine side by side
with a Tri gear in high wind and not worry about it .
Loading is just about the same its still cramped getting in and out and taxi
is just fine unless your a shrimp and cant see over the dash or reach the
pedals .
If your gonna fly a plane to have fun in why would anyone want wheel pants
that clog up with mud and debris and you might damage if you hit a pot hole
.
Stand on wheel wash winshield and pull cowling every time to check oil ,
this is part of preflight you can see everything under cowl and hopefully
see if anything is loose or needs attention. it only take a few minutes and
might save your life .
Use the proper pitot cover to keep bugs and water out IT SAYS REMOVE BEFORE
FLIGHT and is brite red . Part of preflight.
I carry a tent and camp out along side plane with tie down its kinda hard to
sleep under the wing curled around a anchor .LOL . DUCK watch that head .
If its unstable on the ground either your doing something wrong or you just
dont know how to control your plane in which case you need more training ,
Unstable in the air who are you kidding ,why would anyone want a big blob
hangin in the front of your plane under the nose that causes more drag .
I got my TD endorsement in a 150/150 TD slant tail . Was it tricky nope did
great in crosswind and landing just use your feet . Nope dont got ta prove
anything either except flying a tail dragger is very easy if you apply
yourself and want to have a fun fabulous time flying .
OK so ive done mine also .
Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX ,either one .
Jut ribbin ya MIKE
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Randy sez:
>
>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>
> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>
> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous one,
> because:
>
> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
> landing.
>
> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>
> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
> induced drag from the wing.
>
> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
> for takeoff and when touching down.
>
> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
> concern for a prop strike.
>
> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
> during high winds.
>
> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
> tied down in high winds.
>
> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>
> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>
> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>
> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>
> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>
> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to be
> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I earned in
> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
>
> There, I've done my duty. :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
I'm short (5' 6" on a good day) and I can see out of my taildragger
Model IV just fine. All I had to do was install a Skyfox cowl, lower
the instrument panel and glare shield/dash cover, and use a seat
cushion. I would probably have followed the crowd and used a round
cowl, but didn't get one when I bought mine, so went with the Skyfox
cowl when I bought my non-crowd-following Jabiru engine.
My wing root fuel gauges each read a half-gallon less than is actually
in them when sitting on its tail...I call this a safety margin.
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
On Thursday, November 23, 2006, at 09:07 PM, john perry wrote:
>
> You must be short to not see outta the TD KITFOX visibility if fine .
> TAXI TAKEOFF AND LANDING.
>
> TD fuel gauges read right on the money FILL THE TANK BEFORE YOU FLY .
> Have you read NTSB records and see how many crashes are due to
> ignorant pilots trusting there fuel gauges and not looking in and
> sticking tanks and topping off before flight .
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Ok guys,
Since this in on- topic I guess no one will care right ?
And I will add on fueling , When I am on land on Amphibs, I get less fuel in
my wingtanks than I do when I am on water and when I on wheels (
taildragger of course) . I dip my tanks with a graduated stick plus I can
see it visually.
One other point we all know is that taildragger configuration over all can
handle rougher ground so in the case of a engine out or prop failure you
can land in more hostile territory successfully possibly in a taildragger
that's in a nose gear aircraft.
I guess maybe John Mc Bean could comment on what sales have been like
overall for both gear configurations on the models that could accommodate
either gear.
I do not find a Kitfox a hard to handle aircraft at all. I have flown more
than several thousand hours in many singles and twins in ski, land and float
equipped. I have also seen ground loops in taildragger and tri gear as well
as a hell of a lot more nose gears ripped off and bent.
My preference for a Kitfox would be a Taildragger for all round versatility
and a C-421 well Nose gear fine :-)
Oh and for crosswinds? Why not just land into wind across the runway?
you only need a hundred feet or less for a 25 mph wind :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Im steppin in this lol . Its getting deep . .Dont think a tri gear can
> even fly outta this . HEHEH
>
> You must be short to not see outta the TD KITFOX visibility if fine . TAXI
> TAKEOFF AND LANDING.
>
> TD fuel gauges read right on the money FILL THE TANK BEFORE YOU FLY . Have
> you read NTSB records and see how many crashes are due to ignorant pilots
> trusting there fuel gauges and not looking in and sticking tanks and
> topping off before flight .
>
> Full throttle brakes locked bring tail up and fly away , I have less drag
> than a TRI GEAR FOX .
>
> Nope not in anyway can you achieve a higher angle of attack Ill challenge
> ya on this one and fly side by side , and unless you drag your tail on
> landing aint no way your gonna get the pitch angle higher.
>
> Have you ever tipped a trike over HMMM if not keep stompin on them there
> brakes buddy and fly that prop right into the ground and ding a wing tip .
> By the way I wouldnt stomp on my brakes when landing just aplly softly and
> stop in 150 feet or less. I land in fresh turned soil in wheat fields all
> the time and never had a problem .
>
> I have taxied mine in 40 MPH winds and it was not fun but i did it and
> kept her from flying off.
>
> OK I agree with ya on this one but heck . Ill still tie mine side by side
> with a Tri gear in high wind and not worry about it .
>
> Loading is just about the same its still cramped getting in and out and
> taxi is just fine unless your a shrimp and cant see over the dash or reach
> the pedals .
>
> If your gonna fly a plane to have fun in why would anyone want wheel pants
> that clog up with mud and debris and you might damage if you hit a pot
> hole .
>
> Stand on wheel wash winshield and pull cowling every time to check oil ,
> this is part of preflight you can see everything under cowl and hopefully
> see if anything is loose or needs attention. it only take a few minutes
> and might save your life .
>
> Use the proper pitot cover to keep bugs and water out IT SAYS REMOVE
> BEFORE FLIGHT and is brite red . Part of preflight.
>
> I carry a tent and camp out along side plane with tie down its kinda hard
> to sleep under the wing curled around a anchor .LOL . DUCK watch that head
> .
>
> If its unstable on the ground either your doing something wrong or you
> just dont know how to control your plane in which case you need more
> training , Unstable in the air who are you kidding ,why would anyone want
> a big blob hangin in the front of your plane under the nose that causes
> more drag .
>
> I got my TD endorsement in a 150/150 TD slant tail . Was it tricky nope
> did great in crosswind and landing just use your feet . Nope dont got ta
> prove anything either except flying a tail dragger is very easy if you
> apply yourself and want to have a fun fabulous time flying .
>
> OK so ive done mine also .
> Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX ,either one .
>
> Jut ribbin ya MIKE
>
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:38 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
>
>>
>> Randy sez:
>>
>>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>>
>> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>>
>> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous one,
>> because:
>>
>> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
>> landing.
>>
>> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>>
>> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
>> induced drag from the wing.
>>
>> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
>> for takeoff and when touching down.
>>
>> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
>> concern for a prop strike.
>>
>> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
>> during high winds.
>>
>> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
>> tied down in high winds.
>>
>> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
>> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>>
>> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
>> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>>
>> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>>
>> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>>
>> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>>
>> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to be
>> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I earned in
>> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
>>
>> There, I've done my duty. :-)
>>
>> Mike G.
>> N728KF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Got news for you, 5'6" ain't short. I'm 5'2' (before my back operation) and
I have the round cowl and standard height panel/glare shield and I can still
see just fine.
Don Smythe
Do Not Archive
> I'm short (5' 6" on a good day) and I can see out of my taildragger Model
> IV just fine. All I had to do was install a Skyfox
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
OOOPS sorry i started the short thing guys . Im only 5' 7" and when taxingin
or landing i look out the side have full glass doors .
Take care
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Got news for you, 5'6" ain't short. I'm 5'2' (before my back operation)
> and I have the round cowl and standard height panel/glare shield and I can
> still see just fine.
>
> Don Smythe
> Do Not Archive
>
>> I'm short (5' 6" on a good day) and I can see out of my taildragger Model
>> IV just fine. All I had to do was install a Skyfox
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Was'nt gonna further this debate but..... I've had the nosewheel fall of
the Avid while warming the motor. Later found most guys double the tube to
the fork and weld the heck out of it. Found the taildraggers envelope for
punishment to be a little smaller than expected on my Kitfox. Ya I was
screwin around. Doesn't matter what you fly just grease your landings even
when test flying. I do feel a little silly when I taxi the tricycle Avid,
and cool in the TD Kitfox. Ron NB Ore
P.S. Randy it's a four letter word: COOL do not archive
>From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:30:06 -0700
>
><rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>Geeze Michael, it will take me a long time to prepare a response to that.
>In fact I might not even get around to it.
>
>But just so you don't get the last word, I will say that for me, it comes
>down to a three letter word.
>
>How are you doing? When are you getting back in the air?
>
>Randy
>
>.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
>
>Randy sez:
>
> >Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>
>OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>
>My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous
>one, because:
>
> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
> landing.
>
> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>
> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
> induced drag from the wing.
>
> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
> for takeoff and when touching down.
>
> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
> concern for a prop strike.
>
> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
> during high winds.
>
> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
> tied down in high winds.
>
> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>
> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>
> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>
> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>
> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>
>I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to
>be unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I
>earned in an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to
>anyone. :-)
>
>There, I've done my duty. :-)
>
>Mike G.
>N728KF
>
>
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