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1. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Barry West)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:26 AM - Ever had this happen? (MA Stanard)
4. 07:40 AM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Paul Seehafer)
6. 08:48 AM - Me (was: Tri gear or Tail dragger) (Michael Gibbs)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (dave)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Michael Gibbs)
9. 09:28 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Michael Gibbs)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Michael Gibbs)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Rick Daniels)
12. 10:33 AM - Re: 3 pointers Crosswind (skyring)
13. 12:16 PM - re Taildraggers (Charles Bloom)
14. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Cudnohufsky's)
15. 01:15 PM - Re: Me (was: Tri gear or Tail dragger) (Randy Daughenbaugh)
16. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Lowell Fitt)
17. 01:35 PM - Which third wheel? WAS: Me (Michel Verheughe)
18. 01:40 PM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Don Smythe)
19. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Lynn Matteson)
20. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Cudnohufsky's)
21. 01:48 PM - Re: Which third wheel? WAS: Me (Lynn Matteson)
22. 01:57 PM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Lynn Matteson)
23. 02:12 PM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Don Smythe)
24. 02:34 PM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Lynn Matteson)
25. 02:48 PM - ROTAX ENGINES KITFOX (Tom Littlefield)
26. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger (Noel Loveys)
27. 10:12 PM - Re: Which third wheel? WAS: Me (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
I hate to get into this but I feel I have to say something about this
subject. It is a little like the argument between high wing and low wing.
My friend was approaching the airport in his Cherokee when a duck flew into
the wing. He landed safely but had a terrible dent in his wing and was
studying it when I walked over and asked what happened. He said a duck hit
his wing and he didn't know how he was going to fix it. I told him that if
he had been flying a Cessna the duck would have missed him.
I fly high a high wing and have a tailwheel. I have never had a duck hit my
wing and have not noticed any of the problems Michael mentions.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Randy sez:
>
>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>
> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>
> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous one,
> because:
>
> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
> landing.
>
> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>
> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
> induced drag from the wing.
>
> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
> for takeoff and when touching down.
>
> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
> concern for a prop strike.
>
> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
> during high winds.
>
> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
> tied down in high winds.
>
> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>
> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>
> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>
> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>
> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>
> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to be
> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I earned in
> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
>
> There, I've done my duty. :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
You mean I'm TALL?...look out Kobe, I'm out for your job!
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, November 23, 2006, at 09:58 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
>
> Got news for you, 5'6" ain't short. I'm 5'2' (before my back
> operation) and I have the round cowl and standard height panel/glare
> shield and I can still see just fine.
>
> Don Smythe
> Do Not Archive
>
>> I'm short (5' 6" on a good day) and I can see out of my taildragger
>> Model IV just fine. All I had to do was install a Skyfox
>
>
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| Subject: | Ever had this happen? |
Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel filter is
empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas baffled in
one section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar with what
the tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel filters also
seem to have a hard time filling up in flight and only stay half full
when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most times it seems to
be only a trickle.
Any solutions or suggestions?
Michael Stanard
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| Subject: | Re: Ever had this happen? |
Michael,
I guess the first thing I would do is drain a bit of gas, fold the wing and
pull the finger strainers in the wing tank. If that checks out, I think I
'd replace the fuel line from the wing tanks to the filter and to the header
tank.
It sounds to me like a fuel restriction somewhere. Are you using the Mil
Spec 6000 fuel line. It has in some instances swollen shut on some using
MoGas. Also there was one post many years ago of a guy that pinched off his
oil hose, as I recall, with a misaligned hose clamp that had slipped off the
barb.
What airplane are you flying? I don't see you in the database.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "MA Stanard" <cgod@cebridge.net>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 6:25 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel filter is
empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas baffled in one
section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar with what the tank
looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel filters also seem to have
a hard time filling up in flight and only stay half full when flying. I can
watch the gas coming in but most times it seems to be only a trickle.
Any solutions or suggestions?
Michael Stanard
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
All,
I've always suggested to anyone new to Avids and Kitfoxes (and not an
experienced tailwheel pilot) that if possible they start out with the
airplane as a tri-gear set up (assuming they are looking at models that are
convertible). That way they can enjoy their new airplane without the added
concern of the whole taildragger thing. But then after flying it long
enough to think they know everything there is to know about it (? hours)
convert it over to a taildragger configuration, and be ready to learn a
whole new airplane! But not in a scarey way, as for the most part the new
challenge will be mostly fun. Remember, they already know the rest of the
airplane and have that confidence.
And not only will learning to fly a taildragger supply them with increased
piloting skills, but they will see the benefit of increased utility by being
able to go places one can't go (or "shouldn't go) with a nosewheel airplane.
This ability to have either/or is one of the great benefits of our wonderful
airplanes. I've had the opportunity to enjoy these airplanes both as
nosewheel and tailwheel airplanes, and even though I prefer them with
tailwheels, their utility is only marginally sacrificed by adding a
nosewheel. In defense of those concerned about the wild stories they may
have heard about Kitfoxes and their tailwheel handling; don't let that
bother you. They are pussycats as tailwheel airplanes go. But like any
tailwheel airplane, it will still be more challenging to operate than a tri
gear. Especially in crosswinds. But once you learn the Fox with a
tailwheel, I doubt you will ever want to go back to the trigear.
Just my two cents worth...
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
Model IV-1200 amphib with two nosewheels (chuckle)
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| Subject: | Me (was: Tri gear or Tail dragger) |
Randy sez:
>How are you doing? When are you getting back in the air?
Well, that depends upon how you define, "back in the air." I got a
new medical about a year ago and have been actively flying the Turbo
Arrow since then. I'm VFR, IFR, and night current. :-)
The new Kitfox is coming along (slowly) but it will probably be at
least another year and a half before it makes the transition from
"pile of parts" to "hey, that's an airplane!"
Lowell is exactly right about my comments on nose wheel versus tail
wheel. There is no right or wrong, only personal preference. In my
book, Kitfoxes are beautiful, regardless of which end the third wheel
is attached to.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Lsat I heard you had one Nose wheel
< Snicker > :)
Dave
<<Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
Model IV-1200 amphib with two nosewheels (chuckle)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> All,
>
> I've always suggested to anyone new to Avids and Kitfoxes (and not an
> experienced tailwheel pilot) that if possible they start out with the
> airplane as a tri-gear set up (assuming they are looking at models that
> are convertible). That way they can enjoy their new airplane without the
> added concern of the whole taildragger thing. But then after flying it
> long enough to think they know everything there is to know about it (?
> hours) convert it over to a taildragger configuration, and be ready to
> learn a whole new airplane! But not in a scarey way, as for the most part
> the new challenge will be mostly fun. Remember, they already know the
> rest of the airplane and have that confidence.
>
> And not only will learning to fly a taildragger supply them with increased
> piloting skills, but they will see the benefit of increased utility by
> being able to go places one can't go (or "shouldn't go) with a nosewheel
> airplane.
>
> This ability to have either/or is one of the great benefits of our
> wonderful airplanes. I've had the opportunity to enjoy these airplanes
> both as nosewheel and tailwheel airplanes, and even though I prefer them
> with tailwheels, their utility is only marginally sacrificed by adding a
> nosewheel. In defense of those concerned about the wild stories they may
> have heard about Kitfoxes and their tailwheel handling; don't let that
> bother you. They are pussycats as tailwheel airplanes go. But like any
> tailwheel airplane, it will still be more challenging to operate than a
> tri gear. Especially in crosswinds. But once you learn the Fox with a
> tailwheel, I doubt you will ever want to go back to the trigear.
>
> Just my two cents worth...
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
> Model IV-1200 amphib with two nosewheels (chuckle)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
The holy wars have begun again! Shoot the guy that raised the subject! :-)
John sez:
>You must be short to not see outta the TD KITFOX visibility if fine
>. TAXI TAKEOFF AND LANDING.
Thanks for asking about my stature, but actually I'm 6' 1" and I
don't see "fine" over the nose of round cowled 'foxes. Maybe it
depends upon one's definition of "fine". :-) S-turns are mandatory
for me.
>TD fuel gauges read right on the money...
Unless you have a custom scale on yours like Lowell does, the gauges
do NOT read accurately unless they are in a level attitude.
>...how many crashes are due to ignorant pilots trusting there fuel
>gauges and not looking in and sticking tanks and topping off before
>flight.
Sure, but when you look at the sight gauges you ARE looking at the
fuel. That's the advantage they have over mechanical or electrical
gauges.
>Full throttle brakes locked bring tail up and fly away , I have less
>drag than a TRI GEAR FOX
Hard to imagine since the elevator is providing a considerable
lifting force to keep the tail off the ground. Lift = drag. Let's
go measure.
>...not in anyway can you achieve a higher angle of attack Ill
>challenge ya on this one and fly side by side
We've been through this on the list before, John. Since the tri-gear
mains are mounted further aft, you can raise the nose more before the
tail hits the ground. Challenge? Bring it on!
>Loading is just about the same its still cramped getting in and out
I've been in and out of dozens of tail wheel and nose wheel foxes and
I disagree. I find it easier to get into and (especially) out of a
level seat in a level airplane. You guys should try it with a bum
knee some time. :-)
>...why would anyone want wheel pants that clog up with mud and debris...
Because I want to get the most distance out of every drop of fuel,
and I do that by making my airplane as aerodynamically clean as
possible. Plus, I love the look of the wheel pants.
>If its unstable on the ground either your doing something wrong or
>you just dont know how to control your plane...
By definition, having the main gear forward of the airplane's center
of gravity makes it directionally unstable. Push a shopping cart
forward and it will go roughly straight. Push one backwards and it
will whip around to go forward--it's directionally unstable in the
same way a tail dragger is.
>...why would anyone want a big blob hangin in the front of your
>plane under the nose that causes more drag...
I already told you why! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Dave sez:
>...we all know is that taildragger configuration over all can handle
>rougher ground...
It is a common perception but no, we don't all "know" that. Many
tricycle gear airplanes have rather lightweight nose wheels, the
Kitfox included, but there are plenty of very rugged nose wheels on
airplanes designed for rough-field use. They're on a different
scale, but the Lockheed C-130 and the AVIOCAR C-212 come to mind,
both of which are tricycle gear airplanes specifically designed for
rough fields.
That said, Phil Laker likes to tell the story of his trip to Alaska
with a flock of other Kitfoxes. His nose-wheeled Vixen landed on
every unimproved strip the others did with no problems.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Ron sez:
>I've had the nosewheel fall of the Avid while warming the
>motor....Found the taildraggers envelope for punishment to be a
>little smaller than expected on my Kitfox.
I think a quick search of the Kitfox archives will produce a plethora
of tail wheel spring failures. Nose wheel and tail wheel failures do
not indicate an inherent superiority to one design or the other,
simply that the original structure was not up to the intended task.
>I do feel a little silly when I taxi the tricycle Avid, and cool in
>the TD Kitfox.
This comes back to what I said about having nothing to prove. I
think it's cool to just do the pilot-thang but then, I've never been
an authority on what's "cool". :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Over the last many days (perhaps too many) several comments have been made
about the ability of a taildragger to go places where a tricycle cannot. I
wish someone would describe such a place without using a situation of pilot
error to endorse or condemn a particular configuration. I have no experience
in a "Kitfox" but I am in the process of acquiring a "Kitfox" so the
description of such a place (as it applies to Kitfox only) would be very
valuable to me. Please do not respond with situations of pilot error.
Doesn't it really boil down to pilot competence?
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| Subject: | Re: 3 pointers Crosswind |
"I think when you lose speed and the tail drops in a wheeler you are in a very
vulnerable position."
Rex, I think your posts have been spot on but I would argue that the 3 point landing
is in the same vulnerable position as the wheel landing as the tail comes
down. The difference is, in the wheel landing you can be almost stopped, using
brakes and a little power to keep some flow across the tail surfaces, to keep
everything under control. If, when you finally let the tail down, the plane
goes for a look back at where you have been, it is to do with wind strength and
lack of ruddder authority and brakes. And it should not cause any damage. I
haven't yet flown a Kitfox but I've done a lot of wheelers and 3 pointers in
an Auster and other tail draggers and I like the wheeler when it's gusty and cross
wind. It could just be that that's the way I was taught. Soon I will be flying
a Kitfox and maybe I will find that the 3 point technique works in a cross
wind. It certainly looks to have lots of control authority. Kerry.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76787#76787
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I am at a bit of a loss to understand the hesitancy of people to fly "taildraggers".
I learned to fly age 18 in a 75 hp Aeronca Champ. There was no tri-cycle
gear and so no intimidation about tail wheels. That is just what you learned
to fly. Several years later the Cessna came out with the tricycle gear. We referred
to the taildragger as "conventional" gear vis a vis the tricycle. My instructor
was very careful to tell me at the 172 checkout that one had to be very
careful as if the a tail wind caught the 172 right it would tip it on the nose.
I was quite leery of the tricycle for some time. It is all in what you are
used to and I still don't think the taildragger is any harder to land or much
more susceptable to landing problems than the tricycle. You just do it a little,
and I emphasize the little, differently from a tri. If you are going to land
on anything but pavement, go with the "conventional". It simply works better
and does not really pose any more challenges than
a tricycle. I couple of hours in the pattern and you will be wondering what the
fuss was all about.
Chuck
Charles Bloom
kj7sr@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Not trying to get in the middle of anything but I feel one important
difference between the tail and nose wheel application is their maingear
location in reference to CG, noses being aft tend to straighten out a crab
on landing and tails being forward tend to amplify it lending itself more
vulnerable to a ground loop. With that said I fly a tailwheel, don't ask me
why, I just like them. I leave you all to your preferences and reasons as
well but let's not let our preferences blind us to the unique tendencies of
each, either good or bad, I think what is most important is that we know our
planes, thier limitations and how to fly them no matter where the wheels are
(even if they are in the garage for you float fliers) : )
Lloyd
*Happiness depends on happenings but joy depends on Christ*
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> This is an interesting subject that is almost like talking about ones
> favorite football team (it's rivalry week). The subject comes up
> regularly and was the original reason for the survey that resulted in the
> List Database. Mike gave lots of reasons for his preference, but the
> importance of each is a matter of personal opinion. One thing I sense is
> that many in the Desert Fox group have opted for tricycle gear airplanes.
> It makes me wonder what geographic / climate factors came into this
> preference or if it is more subjective than that.
>
> In our data base there are 124 Kitfoxes listed. 96 are tailwheel, 11 are
> tricycle and 7 are on floats. The ratio would change a bit as most of the
> Desert Fox Squadron are not in the database.
>
> I do know of at least one Kitfox that was flipped onto it's back after
> catching a nosewheel. I have witnessed a nosewheel collapse on landing
> damaging at least the nosewheel strut and the prop and likely the engine
> after the inevitable prop strike - not a Kitfox. Neither of these
> "annoyances" would ever happen in a tailwheel Kitfox unless a main was
> seriously trapped in a major hole.
>
> Personally, I like the looks of the tailwheel airplane a lot better -
> can't get more subjective than that, and most of Mike's reasons for the
> nosewheel are pretty much preferences, except for the visibility issue
> which is real. There are several that can be accommodated for much more
> easily than a nose wheel converion - the fuel gauge reading for example -
> I have two scales below 6 gallons, above that I find the readings close
> enough to not make any difference. And the wheel pants? I don't have them
> and stand on the wheels to check the oil and wash the windshield and
> instruct passengers to do the same when entering the airplane as I do.
> There are a couple I would argue with, but then that would be my opinion
> against his.
>
> Speaking of entering and exiting an airplane. Any Kitfox is a piece of
> cake compared to the Lancair IV I am helping with and this one has the
> retractable step.
>
> Tail wheel? That's all I have ever known except about 8 hours and one long
> X-country in a C-182 - dose that count as a nosewheel endorsement? :-)
>
> Lowell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:38 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
>
>>
>> Randy sez:
>>
>>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
>>
>> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
>>
>> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my previous one,
>> because:
>>
>> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
>> landing.
>>
>> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
>>
>> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
>> induced drag from the wing.
>>
>> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
>> for takeoff and when touching down.
>>
>> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
>> concern for a prop strike.
>>
>> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
>> during high winds.
>>
>> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
>> tied down in high winds.
>>
>> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
>> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
>>
>> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
>> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
>>
>> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
>>
>> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
>>
>> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
>>
>> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I want it to be
>> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement that I earned in
>> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
>>
>> There, I've done my duty. :-)
>>
>> Mike G.
>> N728KF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Me (was: Tri gear or Tail dragger) |
Mike,
I guess you are back in the air. ! Glad to hear it. I didn't realize
you were flying those other things.
And Hey,,, I concede most of your points about the little wheel in front.
I think the tail wheel advantage over trigear for rough fields is less if
the trigear is in the hands of an experienced pilot. But for me, I like the
tailwheel for the fun. And my Fox can still do much more than I can make it
do - so I am still having fun learning.
I (almost) regret my part in stoking up the holy wars again.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Me (was: Tri gear or Tail dragger)
Randy sez:
>How are you doing? When are you getting back in the air?
Well, that depends upon how you define, "back in the air." I got a
new medical about a year ago and have been actively flying the Turbo
Arrow since then. I'm VFR, IFR, and night current. :-)
The new Kitfox is coming along (slowly) but it will probably be at
least another year and a half before it makes the transition from
"pile of parts" to "hey, that's an airplane!"
Lowell is exactly right about my comments on nose wheel versus tail
wheel. There is no right or wrong, only personal preference. In my
book, Kitfoxes are beautiful, regardless of which end the third wheel
is attached to.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Michael,
Anytime when I am asked about airplane choices, my first answer is a
question - "What will it's mission be?"
I agree that failures of the tailwheel spring has largely outnumbered the
failures of the nose gear. Without getting into the relative numbers of
tailwheel vs. nose wheel Kitfoxes and statictics, I am aware personally of a
tailwheel failure that bent the lower tubing on the rudder requiring the
removel of the fabric, straightening of the tubing and recovering. I
suspect that is about the most you would expect of this type of failure.
Actually the airplane remained airworthy and was flyable. Getting out and
home from wherever it would happen would be possible with a simple skid made
from what is available or better yet a spare spring in the misc. bag.
On the other hand I doubt a nose wheel failure would be as simple and
undoubtedly if it happened in a remote area, I suspect a remote fix would be
necessary or maybe a trailering out if possible and a much more intensive
repair depending on extent of damage which could range from a prop
replacement to cowl, engine, engine mount or fuselage fixes. Also consider
engine out sutuations where the landing site might be far from ideal.
I remember this post from Darin a bit ago and it pretty much expains what I
am trying to say.
"The reason I flew my Model III as a tailwheel and will fly my Series 7 in
tailwheel configuration was confirmed by an incident my buddy had about a
month ago while landing at a realatively benign strip in the Idaho
backcountry...he was in his 182.
In short, he went into this strip (which he had been into numerous times
before) to camp with some friends and do some fishing. On Sunday they got
up to fly home and decided to walk the strip once before starting the
takeoff roll. The reason for the walk was to pickout all major gopher
holes. They made a thourough inspection and marked all major holes then
began their taxi to the downwind side of the strip. During this taxi, a
hole that was not seen in the previous inspection swallowed his nose wheel
and he had a pretty major prop strike! His 182 is still in the A&P's hanger
and is going through a complete teardown (he is consequently considering a
full rebuild to 0-time the engine) and while the insurance is covering a
major part of it, it is still a major cost to him in dollars and lost flying
time."
I believe amid the opinions, there are some things that could come close to
being considered facts. And the relative difficulty one can get themsleves
into with that third wheel is real. Scuffed wingtips or a bent rudder is
minor compared...
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Ron sez:
>
>>I've had the nosewheel fall of the Avid while warming the motor....Found
>>the taildraggers envelope for punishment to be a little smaller than
>>expected on my Kitfox.
>
> I think a quick search of the Kitfox archives will produce a plethora of
> tail wheel spring failures. Nose wheel and tail wheel failures do not
> indicate an inherent superiority to one design or the other, simply that
> the original structure was not up to the intended task.
>
>>I do feel a little silly when I taxi the tricycle Avid, and cool in the TD
>>Kitfox.
>
> This comes back to what I said about having nothing to prove. I think
> it's cool to just do the pilot-thang but then, I've never been an
> authority on what's "cool". :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Which third wheel? WAS: Me |
On Nov 24, 2006, at 5:47 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> In my book, Kitfoxes are beautiful, regardless of which end the
> third wheel is attached to.
Indeed, Mike. First, I think we are all very lucky to be able to afford
flying and we should also thank our family who accept our time
consuming hobby. Then, when we are finally up in the air, feeling like
a free bird ... who cares where the third wheel is? Can you see your
third wheel from the pilot's seat? I think not! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Ever had this happen? |
Michael,
First, do every thing that Lowell said. If you have the MIL-6000
black rubber fuel line, replace it before you do anything else. If
every thing works out to be good with no obstructions, consider Vapor
Lock. I worked on my hanger mates riding lawn mower recently. His fuel
tank will be at about 1/2 and the engine goes dead. The fuel filter is
empty. Take off the inlet line to the filter and fuel starts to flow
freely. Reconnect to filter and the engine will start and run the rest
of the fuel. Happens every time without fail. For some reason, his
system is vapor locking and I haven't had a chance to figure it out.
Auto fuel is much more likely to vapor lock than 100LL. Look at any
clear filter on your car or lawnmower and it will always appear half
full of fuel. The other half which looks like air is vapor. You may
have some strange vapor locking like my hanger mates lawnmower. I think
his problem has something to do with the large body fuel filter that's
installed or it's location to the fuel tank. Like I said, do all Lowell
said and then consider a strange vapor locking problem.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: MA Stanard
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel filter is
empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas baffled in
one section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar with what
the tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel filters also
seem to have a hard time filling up in flight and only stay half full
when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most times it seems to
be only a trickle.
Any solutions or suggestions?
Michael Stanard
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
I had a tailspring break, and was lucky enough to have had a spare
spring at home. Since that incident, I bought the 3-leaf spring from
John McBean, which incorporates 2 main leaves, and a helper. I'm not
sure what the odds are against both of these 2 main leaves breaking at
the same time, but I'll bet it's in the millions-to-one. I'd rather
have the "spare" spring bolted in place and preventing me from having
to deal with the possible damage that could be caused from the one and
only main spring breaking, than to just carry a spare leaf in the misc.
bag...it is still weight, so why not put it to use if you're going to
carry it? Granted, its weight is better suited in the bag, than on the
tail, but what's an extra 1-1/2 lbs or so, gonna matter, even if it is
back there?
Lynn
On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:15 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> Michael,
(snip)
> Getting out and home from wherever it would happen would be possible
> with a simple skid made from what is available or better yet a spare
> spring in the misc. bag.
(snip)
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Installation of VERY LARGE tundra tires is one thing that I know of that can
be done with a taildragger but is limited on a nose wheel, does not make it
better, just different.
Lloyd
*Happiness depends on happenings but joy depends on Christ*
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Daniels" <rick@rickdaniels.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
> Over the last many days (perhaps too many) several comments have been made
> about the ability of a taildragger to go places where a tricycle cannot.
> I
> wish someone would describe such a place without using a situation of
> pilot
> error to endorse or condemn a particular configuration. I have no
> experience
> in a "Kitfox" but I am in the process of acquiring a "Kitfox" so the
> description of such a place (as it applies to Kitfox only) would be very
> valuable to me. Please do not respond with situations of pilot error.
> Doesn't it really boil down to pilot competence?
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Which third wheel? WAS: Me |
You mean you don't fly low enough to admire your shadow on the ground,
Michel? It's like "profiling"...a practice that drivers of nice cars do
when they drive by the stores with the big windows, so they can see
themselves reflected in the windows....
Lynn
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On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:34 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 2006, at 5:47 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
>> In my book, Kitfoxes are beautiful, regardless of which end the
>> third wheel is attached to.
>
> Indeed, Mike. First, I think we are all very lucky to be able to
> afford flying and we should also thank our family who accept our time
> consuming hobby. Then, when we are finally up in the air, feeling like
> a free bird ... who cares where the third wheel is? Can you see your
> third wheel from the pilot's seat? I think not! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ever had this happen? |
I've seen this happen too, Don....the half-full clear filter thing,
that is. I expected to see this on my plane with a clear filter in the
supply lines from each wing tank. But they are both very full and very
clear. I'm sure it has something to do with the venting of the header
tank up to the wing tank. This vent line on my plane is full of fuel,
and will be as long as fuel is present in the tanks, and the shutoff
valves in each supply line is open. I have just gone over 200 hours on
my plane, and no problems yet...knocking on wood. : )
Lynn
On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:14 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> Michael,
> First, do every thing that Lowell said. If you have the MIL-6000
> black rubber fuel line, replace it before you do anything else. If
> every thing works out to be good with no obstructions, consider Vapor
> Lock. I worked on my hanger mates riding lawn mower recently. His
> fuel tank will be at about 1/2and the engine goes dead. The fuel
> filter is empty. Take off the inlet line to the filter and fuel
> starts to flow freely. Reconnect to filter and the engine will start
> and run the rest of the fuel. Happens every time without fail.For
> some reason, his systemis vapor locking and I haven't had a chance to
> figure it out.
> Auto fuel is much more likely to vapor lock than 100LL. Look at
> any clear filter on your car or lawnmower and it will always appear
> half full of fuel. The other half which looks like air is vapor. You
> may have some strange vapor locking like myhanger mates lawnmower.I
> think his problem has something to do with the large body fuel filter
> that's installed or it's location to the fuel tank. LikeI said, do
> all Lowell said and then considera strange vapor locking problem.
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MA Stanard
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:25 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>
> Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
>
>
> Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel filter is
> empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas baffled in
> one section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar with
> what the tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel
> filters also seem to have a hard time filling up in flight and only
> stay half full when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most
> times it seems to beonly a trickle.
>
> Any solutions or suggestions?
>
> Michael Stanard
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ever had this happen? |
Lynn,
I have the clear glass Purolator filters on each wing tank. They are
mounted vertically and always show just a tad of vapor (appearing not quite
full). I have a third Purolator mounted horizontal between the main shutoff
and the carbs. Since that one is mounted horizontal, it always shows more
vapor than the vertical ones. I strongly believe this to be a case of vapor
in auto gas.
After seeing my hanger mates lawn mower completely quit due to vapor
lock it has always made me a little concerned that a Kitfox system could do
the same thing. I feel it has something to do with the physical size of the
filter and/or possible location in the line. I don't think the vent on the
header has anything to do with this type situation. You can fly safely with
the header vent shut off completely (Avids did/do). As long as the filler
caps are supplying air to the wing tanks and there are no obstruction in the
lines, fuel should flow (except for maybe vapor lock)???
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
I've seen this happen too, Don....the half-full clear filter thing,
that is. I expected to see this on my plane with a clear filter in the
supply lines from each wing tank. But they are both very full and very
clear. I'm sure it has something to do with the venting of the header
tank up to the wing tank. This vent line on my plane is full of fuel,
and will be as long as fuel is present in the tanks, and the shutoff
valves in each supply line is open. I have just gone over 200 hours on
my plane, and no problems yet...knocking on wood. : )
Lynn
On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:14 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> Michael,
> First, do every thing that Lowell said. If you have the MIL-6000 black
> rubber fuel line, replace it before you do anything else. If every thing
> works out to be good with no obstructions, consider Vapor Lock. I worked
> on my hanger mates riding lawn mower recently. His fuel tank will be at
> about 1/2 and the engine goes dead. The fuel filter is empty. Take off the
> inlet line to the filter and fuel starts to flow freely. Reconnect to
> filter and the engine will start and run the rest of the fuel. Happens
> every time without fail. For some reason, his system is vapor locking and
> I haven't had a chance to figure it out.
> Auto fuel is much more likely to vapor lock than 100LL. Look at any clear
> filter on your car or lawnmower and it will always appear half full of
> fuel. The other half which looks like air is vapor. You may have some
> strange vapor locking like my hanger mates lawnmower. I think his problem
> has something to do with the large body fuel filter that's installed or
> it's location to the fuel tank. Like I said, do all Lowell said and then
> consider a strange vapor locking problem.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MA Stanard
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:25 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>
> Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
>
>
> Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel filter is
> empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas baffled in one
> section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar with what the
> tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel filters also seem to
> have a hard time filling up in flight and only stay half full when flying.
> I can watch the gas coming in but most times it seems to be only a
> trickle.
>
> Any solutions or suggestions?
>
> Michael Stanard
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ever had this happen? |
Don-
I have almost exactly the same configuration as you, except that I
can't see my horizontal 3rd filter. It is under my center
console...maybe I should install a window to have a look at it
occasionally. That one is after the main shutoff and the aux. electric
pump, which I never/rarely ever use. It's a Facet, and it allows
gravity flow through it...or perhaps more properly, allows the engine's
mechanical pump to pull through it, although it does flow through via
gravity. All 3 filters are 5/16" in my system.
Lynn
On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 05:11 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> I have the clear glass Purolator filters on each wing tank. They
> are mounted vertically and always show just a tad of vapor (appearing
> not quite full). I have a third Purolator mounted horizontal between
> the main shutoff and the carbs. Since that one is mounted horizontal,
> it always shows more vapor than the vertical ones. I strongly believe
> this to be a case of vapor in auto gas.
> After seeing my hanger mates lawn mower completely quit due to
> vapor lock it has always made me a little concerned that a Kitfox
> system could do the same thing. I feel it has something to do with
> the physical size of the filter and/or possible location in the line.
> I don't think the vent on the header has anything to do with this type
> situation. You can fly safely with the header vent shut off
> completely (Avids did/do). As long as the filler caps are supplying
> air to the wing tanks and there are no obstruction in the lines, fuel
> should flow (except for maybe vapor lock)???
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>
>
>
> I've seen this happen too, Don....the half-full clear filter thing,
> that is. I expected to see this on my plane with a clear filter in the
> supply lines from each wing tank. But they are both very full and very
> clear. I'm sure it has something to do with the venting of the header
> tank up to the wing tank. This vent line on my plane is full of fuel,
> and will be as long as fuel is present in the tanks, and the shutoff
> valves in each supply line is open. I have just gone over 200 hours on
> my plane, and no problems yet...knocking on wood. : )
>
> Lynn
>
> On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:14 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>> First, do every thing that Lowell said. If you have the MIL-6000
>> black rubber fuel line, replace it before you do anything else. If
>> every thing works out to be good with no obstructions, consider Vapor
>> Lock. I worked on my hanger mates riding lawn mower recently. His
>> fuel tank will be at about 1/2 and the engine goes dead. The fuel
>> filter is empty. Take off the inlet line to the filter and fuel
>> starts to flow freely. Reconnect to filter and the engine will start
>> and run the rest of the fuel. Happens every time without fail. For
>> some reason, his system is vapor locking and I haven't had a chance
>> to figure it out.
>> Auto fuel is much more likely to vapor lock than 100LL. Look at any
>> clear filter on your car or lawnmower and it will always appear half
>> full of fuel. The other half which looks like air is vapor. You may
>> have some strange vapor locking like my hanger mates lawnmower. I
>> think his problem has something to do with the large body fuel filter
>> that's installed or it's location to the fuel tank. Like I said, do
>> all Lowell said and then consider a strange vapor locking problem.
>>
>> Don Smythe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: MA Stanard
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:25 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>>
>> Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
>>
>>
>> Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel filter
>> is empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas baffled
>> in one section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar with
>> what the tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel filters
>> also seem to have a hard time filling up in flight and only stay half
>> full when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most times it
>> seems to be only a trickle.
>>
>> Any solutions or suggestions?
>>
>> Michael Stanard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | ROTAX ENGINES KITFOX |
LOOKING FOR A ROTAX 912 OR 912S ENGINE TOMMY T.
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| Subject: | Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger |
Nose wheel airplanes should have a degree or so of toe in to help correct
any sideways slip and the conventional gear plane should have a degree or so
of toe out for the same reason. Tire loss to the change of toe in both
aircraft should be minimal... Not often we take out pride and joys for a
hour ride without leaving the ground.
Noel
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Cudnohufsky's
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 5:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
>
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> Not trying to get in the middle of anything but I feel one important
> difference between the tail and nose wheel application is
> their maingear
> location in reference to CG, noses being aft tend to
> straighten out a crab
> on landing and tails being forward tend to amplify it lending
> itself more
> vulnerable to a ground loop. With that said I fly a
> tailwheel, don't ask me
> why, I just like them. I leave you all to your preferences
> and reasons as
> well but let's not let our preferences blind us to the unique
> tendencies of
> each, either good or bad, I think what is most important is
> that we know our
> planes, thier limitations and how to fly them no matter where
> the wheels are
> (even if they are in the garage for you float fliers) : )
> Lloyd
> *Happiness depends on happenings but joy depends on Christ*
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > This is an interesting subject that is almost like talking
> about ones
> > favorite football team (it's rivalry week). The subject comes up
> > regularly and was the original reason for the survey that
> resulted in the
> > List Database. Mike gave lots of reasons for his
> preference, but the
> > importance of each is a matter of personal opinion. One
> thing I sense is
> > that many in the Desert Fox group have opted for tricycle
> gear airplanes.
> > It makes me wonder what geographic / climate factors came into this
> > preference or if it is more subjective than that.
> >
> > In our data base there are 124 Kitfoxes listed. 96 are
> tailwheel, 11 are
> > tricycle and 7 are on floats. The ratio would change a bit
> as most of the
> > Desert Fox Squadron are not in the database.
> >
> > I do know of at least one Kitfox that was flipped onto it's
> back after
> > catching a nosewheel. I have witnessed a nosewheel
> collapse on landing
> > damaging at least the nosewheel strut and the prop and
> likely the engine
> > after the inevitable prop strike - not a Kitfox. Neither of these
> > "annoyances" would ever happen in a tailwheel Kitfox unless
> a main was
> > seriously trapped in a major hole.
> >
> > Personally, I like the looks of the tailwheel airplane a
> lot better -
> > can't get more subjective than that, and most of Mike's
> reasons for the
> > nosewheel are pretty much preferences, except for the
> visibility issue
> > which is real. There are several that can be accommodated
> for much more
> > easily than a nose wheel converion - the fuel gauge reading
> for example -
> > I have two scales below 6 gallons, above that I find the
> readings close
> > enough to not make any difference. And the wheel pants? I
> don't have them
> > and stand on the wheels to check the oil and wash the
> windshield and
> > instruct passengers to do the same when entering the
> airplane as I do.
> > There are a couple I would argue with, but then that would
> be my opinion
> > against his.
> >
> > Speaking of entering and exiting an airplane. Any Kitfox
> is a piece of
> > cake compared to the Lancair IV I am helping with and this
> one has the
> > retractable step.
> >
> > Tail wheel? That's all I have ever known except about 8
> hours and one long
> > X-country in a C-182 - dose that count as a nosewheel
> endorsement? :-)
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:38 AM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tri gear or Tail dragger
> >
> >
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >>
> >> Randy sez:
> >>
> >>>Yeah, but he is wrong! (No offense meant Rod!) 8-)
> >>
> >> OK, Randy, I didn't want to have to do this... :-)
> >>
> >> My second 'fox is going to have tricycle gear just like my
> previous one,
> >> because:
> >>
> >> I can see where I'm going during taxi, takeoff and
> >> landing.
> >>
> >> My fuel gauges read accurately during my pre-flight.
> >>
> >> I get quicker acceleration on takeoff due to lower
> >> induced drag from the wing.
> >>
> >> I can achieve a higher pitch angle when rotating
> >> for takeoff and when touching down.
> >>
> >> I can stomp on the brakes as hard as I want without
> >> concern for a prop strike.
> >>
> >> The wing is at a neutral angle of attack for taxi
> >> during high winds.
> >>
> >> The wing generates less lift when the plane is
> >> tied down in high winds.
> >>
> >> The plane sits level on the ground which is more
> >> comfortable for passengers during loading and taxi.
> >>
> >> The main gear wheel pants are further aft so they are
> >> not in the way when you enter and exit the plane.
> >>
> >> It's easier to check the oil and wash the windshield.
> >>
> >> Water doesn't collect in the pitot tube.
> >>
> >> It's easier to walk or camp under the wing.
> >>
> >> I didn't build it to be unstable in the air, why would I
> want it to be
> >> unstable on the ground? I have a tailwheel endorsement
> that I earned in
> >> an Aeronca Chief, so I don't have anything to prove to anyone. :-)
> >>
> >> There, I've done my duty. :-)
> >>
> >> Mike G.
> >> N728KF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Michel,
To add to Lynn's view,
One thing I always practice when flying is to try to
land on my shadow. So far I've hit it every time the
sun is out. :-)
Kurt S.
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> You mean you don't fly low enough to admire your
> shadow on the ground,
> Michel? It's like "profiling"...a practice that
> drivers of nice cars do
> when they drive by the stores with the big windows,
> so they can see
> themselves reflected in the windows....
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
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