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1. 12:06 AM - Re: [Off-topic] Shadow - WAS: Which third wheel? (kurt schrader)
2. 12:13 AM - Re: stits epoxy primer how-to? (kurt schrader)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Ever had this happen? (fox5flyer)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Noel Loveys)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: Ever had this happen? (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Model II MTOW (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Taildraggers (Noel Loveys)
8. 09:01 AM - Re: Taildraggers (Michael Gibbs)
9. 09:01 AM - Model II MTOW (Dee Young)
10. 09:08 AM - AW: Re: Taildraggers (Werner Keiper)
11. 09:14 AM - Re:stits epoxy primer how-to? (Cal Anderson)
12. 10:21 AM - Re:Re: Taildraggers (Michel Verheughe)
13. 10:22 AM - Re: [Off-topic] Shadow (Michel Verheughe)
14. 11:10 AM - VSO ELSA (ron schick)
15. 12:44 PM - Re: Ever had this happen? (kurt schrader)
16. 12:59 PM - Re: VSO ELSA (Tom Jones)
17. 01:26 PM - Low spot in fuel system (Tom Jones)
18. 03:40 PM - Sport Pilot Question (Don Smythe)
19. 03:53 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Question (crazyivan)
20. 03:58 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Question (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
21. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: VSO ELSA (dave)
22. 04:31 PM - Re: Low spot in fuel system (PWilson)
23. 05:12 PM - Re: VSO ELSA (Tom Jones)
24. 05:18 PM - Re: Low spot in fuel system (Tom Jones)
25. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Low spot in fuel system (Don Smythe)
26. 05:46 PM - Oil Filter for 912UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
27. 05:53 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Question (Glenn Horne)
28. 06:57 PM - Re: Oil Filter for 912UL (Lowell Fitt)
29. 07:05 PM - Re: Oil Filter for 912UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
30. 07:09 PM - Oil Filter for 912UL (Rexster)
31. 07:15 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Question (floran higgins)
32. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Taildraggers (kirk hull)
33. 07:31 PM - Re: Low spot in fuel system (Tom Jones)
34. 07:53 PM - Re: Oil Filter for 912UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
35. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: off topic PA 28 crash (Andrew Matthaey)
36. 09:17 PM - Re: Oil Filter for 912UL (Randy Daughenbaugh)
37. 09:56 PM - Re: off topic PA 28 crash (Aerobatics@aol.com)
38. 09:59 PM - Wheel Pants on a KF 2 (Aerobatics@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Shadow - WAS: Which third wheel? |
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2006, at 7:10 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> > One thing I always practice when flying is to try
> to land on my shadow. So far I've hit it every time
> the sun is out. :-)
Michel wrote:
> I hear some pilots do it faster than their shadow -
> although this is in
> contradiction with Einstein's relativity. Probably a
> damn quantum mechanics dissident lie. :-)
> Michel
Thanks. That explains a couple of things to me.
First, the nose gear (third wheel) on these Bo-ings is
back about where the KitFox tail wheel is. I'm
confused....
The main gear is so far back I have to aim out in
front of the shadow and let it catch up later. Jet
lag?
Then after my landing the mechanics always ask,
"Dis-a-dent?" Now I know they are quantum mechanics.
So I can say a "good landing" does have something to
do with Einstein's relativity.
To the FAA, that is my story and I am sticking with
it.
Kurt S.
> do not archive
Cheap talk?
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| Subject: | Re: stits epoxy primer how-to? |
I used the tennis ball in a plastic bag trick. That
worked. Still leaked past the rivets though. Masking
tape didn't stay on long. But now the rivets are
better sealed.
Learned after using the green zinc chromate primer
that they now have it in white. It is worth the price
to use the white so you don't have trouble covering up
the green later when you paint the wing.
Stand the wings on end to drain the excess primer out
while it drys. Saves weight.
I painted/sloshed them outside. Grass was already
green.
Kurt S. S-5
--- "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I have received the epoxy primer and read the
> application notes. it doesn't appear to envision an
> application inside a 2.5" tube. I assume I will mix
> up a batch and pour it inside and rock 'n roll the
> tube but figured I'd ask anyone who had done it
> caveats, experiences etc.
>
> Private mail responses please.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
Cheap talk?
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| Subject: | Re: Ever had this happen? |
Correct Lynn. What I was attempting to illustrate was that the tiny
fibers were nearly invisible and it wasn't until the owner opened
them up and saw the fibers that he found the cause of low flow. Any
filter would have clogged the same way, but what fooled him was that
the Purolators are clear and with no visible debris in them his
attention went elsewhere until someone suggested that he take them
apart. Nothing wrong with the Purolators. The fact that they
weren't filling was what alerted him to the problem. Opaque filters
wouldn't have given that clue.
Deke
---- Original Message ----
From: lynnmatt@jps.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>
>I recall reading that, Deke. I think that was about the time I got
>nervous and called Frank Miller and got the lowdown on flushing and
>Kreeming my tanks, which I did. I've used the Purolator filters in
>everything from a Ford tractor to a lawn mower to my airplane, and
>loved every one of them. In the case of the tiny fibers, they would
>have clogged any type of filter, I think, and just having Purolator
>filters wouldn't have caused the problem, I don't think. In effect,
>the
>Purolator filters act in a similar fashion to the finger strainers in
>
>our wings...they provide a large area of surface in which to trap
>contaminants, and in most cases, the contaminants can be seen...not
>so
>with the tiny fibers from that members' experience, it sounds.
>
>Lynn
>On Saturday, November 25, 2006, at 03:41 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
><fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>>
>>
>> Regarding these Purolator fuel filters, I seem to recall some time
>> back about a member who was having similar flow problems and also
>had
>> the same filters. Upon dismantling the filters he found them to be
>> partially plugged with tiny fibers that he determined to have come
>> from the wing tanks and were inhibiting the fuel flow. They were
>> possibly fiberglass fibers, but that wasn't confirmed as I recall.
>> He replaced the filters and no more problems. This happened
>several
>> years ago. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on it.
>> Deke
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:34:40 -0500
>>
>>> Don-
>>> I have almost exactly the same configuration as you, except that
>I
>>> can't see my horizontal 3rd filter. It is under my center
>>> console...maybe I should install a window to have a look at it
>>> occasionally. That one is after the main shutoff and the aux.
>>> electric
>>> pump, which I never/rarely ever use. It's a Facet, and it allows
>>> gravity flow through it...or perhaps more properly, allows the
>>> engine's
>>> mechanical pump to pull through it, although it does flow through
>via
>>>
>>> gravity. All 3 filters are 5/16" in my system.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>>> On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 05:11 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
>>>
><dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>
>>>> Lynn,
>>>> I have the clear glass Purolator filters on each wing tank.
>>> They
>>>> are mounted vertically and always show just a tad of vapor
>>> (appearing
>>>> not quite full). I have a third Purolator mounted horizontal
>>> between
>>>> the main shutoff and the carbs. Since that one is mounted
>>> horizontal,
>>>> it always shows more vapor than the vertical ones. I strongly
>>> believe
>>>> this to be a case of vapor in auto gas.
>>>> After seeing my hanger mates lawn mower completely quit due to
>>>> vapor lock it has always made me a little concerned that a Kitfox
>>>> system could do the same thing. I feel it has something to do
>with
>>>
>>>> the physical size of the filter and/or possible location in the
>>> line.
>>>> I don't think the vent on the header has anything to do with this
>>> type
>>>> situation. You can fly safely with the header vent shut off
>>>> completely (Avids did/do). As long as the filler caps are
>>> supplying
>>>> air to the wing tanks and there are no obstruction in the lines,
>>> fuel
>>>> should flow (except for maybe vapor lock)???
>>>>
>>>> Don Smythe
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>>>>
>>>>
><lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>
>>>> I've seen this happen too, Don....the half-full clear filter
>thing,
>>>> that is. I expected to see this on my plane with a clear filter
>in
>>> the
>>>> supply lines from each wing tank. But they are both very full and
>>> very
>>>> clear. I'm sure it has something to do with the venting of the
>>> header
>>>> tank up to the wing tank. This vent line on my plane is full of
>>> fuel,
>>>> and will be as long as fuel is present in the tanks, and the
>>> shutoff
>>>> valves in each supply line is open. I have just gone over 200
>hours
>>> on
>>>> my plane, and no problems yet...knocking on wood. : )
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:14 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>> First, do every thing that Lowell said. If you have the MIL-6000
>>>>> black rubber fuel line, replace it before you do anything else.
>If
>>>
>>>>> every thing works out to be good with no obstructions, consider
>>> Vapor
>>>>> Lock. I worked on my hanger mates riding lawn mower recently.
>His
>>>>> fuel tank will be at about 1/2 and the engine goes dead. The
>fuel
>>>>> filter is empty. Take off the inlet line to the filter and fuel
>>>>> starts to flow freely. Reconnect to filter and the engine will
>>> start
>>>>> and run the rest of the fuel. Happens every time without fail.
>For
>>>
>>>>> some reason, his system is vapor locking and I haven't had a
>>> chance
>>>>> to figure it out.
>>>>> Auto fuel is much more likely to vapor lock than 100LL. Look at
>>> any
>>>>> clear filter on your car or lawnmower and it will always appear
>>> half
>>>>> full of fuel. The other half which looks like air is vapor. You
>>> may
>>>>> have some strange vapor locking like my hanger mates lawnmower.
>I
>>>>> think his problem has something to do with the large body fuel
>>> filter
>>>>> that's installed or it's location to the fuel tank. Like I said,
>>> do
>>>>> all Lowell said and then consider a strange vapor locking
>problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: MA Stanard
>>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:25 AM
>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel
>>> filter
>>>>> is empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas
>>> baffled
>>>>> in one section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar
>>> with
>>>>> what the tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel
>>> filters
>>>>> also seem to have a hard time filling up in flight and only stay
>>> half
>>>>> full when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most times
>it
>>>>> seems to be only a trickle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any solutions or suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Stanard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Ever had this happen? |
If the pilot was using a felt (Chamois) to filter his fuel, it won't pass
water, some of the animal hair used to make felt will eventually come off
and it will be dropped into the fuel tanks. This was quite normal and still
is for those using felt to filter their fuel. There usually isn't a problem
with it as the screens in the gascolator will catch it. Of course you will
want to clean the gascolator every 50 hr.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>
>
>
>
> Regarding these Purolator fuel filters, I seem to recall some time
> back about a member who was having similar flow problems and also had
> the same filters. Upon dismantling the filters he found them to be
> partially plugged with tiny fibers that he determined to have come
> from the wing tanks and were inhibiting the fuel flow. They were
> possibly fiberglass fibers, but that wasn't confirmed as I recall.
> He replaced the filters and no more problems. This happened several
> years ago. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on it.
> Deke
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:34:40 -0500
>
> >Don-
> > I have almost exactly the same configuration as you, except that I
> >can't see my horizontal 3rd filter. It is under my center
> >console...maybe I should install a window to have a look at it
> >occasionally. That one is after the main shutoff and the aux.
> >electric
> >pump, which I never/rarely ever use. It's a Facet, and it allows
> >gravity flow through it...or perhaps more properly, allows the
> >engine's
> >mechanical pump to pull through it, although it does flow through via
> >
> >gravity. All 3 filters are 5/16" in my system.
> >
> >Lynn
>
> >On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 05:11 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Lynn,
> >> I have the clear glass Purolator filters on each wing tank.
> >They
> >> are mounted vertically and always show just a tad of vapor
> >(appearing
> >> not quite full). I have a third Purolator mounted horizontal
> >between
> >> the main shutoff and the carbs. Since that one is mounted
> >horizontal,
> >> it always shows more vapor than the vertical ones. I strongly
> >believe
> >> this to be a case of vapor in auto gas.
> >> After seeing my hanger mates lawn mower completely quit due to
> >> vapor lock it has always made me a little concerned that a Kitfox
> >> system could do the same thing. I feel it has something to do with
> >
> >> the physical size of the filter and/or possible location in the
> >line.
> >> I don't think the vent on the header has anything to do with this
> >type
> >> situation. You can fly safely with the header vent shut off
> >> completely (Avids did/do). As long as the filler caps are
> >supplying
> >> air to the wing tanks and there are no obstruction in the lines,
> >fuel
> >> should flow (except for maybe vapor lock)???
> >>
> >> Don Smythe
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> ><lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've seen this happen too, Don....the half-full clear filter thing,
> >> that is. I expected to see this on my plane with a clear filter in
> >the
> >> supply lines from each wing tank. But they are both very full and
> >very
> >> clear. I'm sure it has something to do with the venting of the
> >header
> >> tank up to the wing tank. This vent line on my plane is full of
> >fuel,
> >> and will be as long as fuel is present in the tanks, and the
> >shutoff
> >> valves in each supply line is open. I have just gone over 200 hours
> >on
> >> my plane, and no problems yet...knocking on wood. : )
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >>
> >> On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 04:14 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> >>
> >>> Michael,
> >>> First, do every thing that Lowell said. If you have the MIL-6000
> >>> black rubber fuel line, replace it before you do anything else. If
> >
> >>> every thing works out to be good with no obstructions, consider
> >Vapor
> >>> Lock. I worked on my hanger mates riding lawn mower recently. His
> >>> fuel tank will be at about 1/2 and the engine goes dead. The fuel
> >>> filter is empty. Take off the inlet line to the filter and fuel
> >>> starts to flow freely. Reconnect to filter and the engine will
> >start
> >>> and run the rest of the fuel. Happens every time without fail. For
> >
> >>> some reason, his system is vapor locking and I haven't had a
> >chance
> >>> to figure it out.
> >>> Auto fuel is much more likely to vapor lock than 100LL. Look at
> >any
> >>> clear filter on your car or lawnmower and it will always appear
> >half
> >>> full of fuel. The other half which looks like air is vapor. You
> >may
> >>> have some strange vapor locking like my hanger mates lawnmower. I
> >>> think his problem has something to do with the large body fuel
> >filter
> >>> that's installed or it's location to the fuel tank. Like I said,
> >do
> >>> all Lowell said and then consider a strange vapor locking problem.
> >>>
> >>> Don Smythe
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: MA Stanard
> >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:25 AM
> >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
> >>>
> >>> Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but the fuel
> >filter
> >>> is empty. Does any one know why this could be? Is there gas
> >baffled
> >>> in one section of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar
> >with
> >>> what the tank looks like since I am not the builder. The fuel
> >filters
> >>> also seem to have a hard time filling up in flight and only stay
> >half
> >>> full when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most times it
> >>> seems to be only a trickle.
> >>>
> >>> Any solutions or suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Michael Stanard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Ever had this happen? |
Before each flight I drip my gascolator. That is the lowest part of the
fuel system and should have a pretty good pressure on it. Of course I have
a high wing aircraft. Low wing aircraft may have two gascolators. One in
each tank sump. Or if the bottom of the cowl is slightly lower than the
tanks then one as low as possible may work.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kurt schrader
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:47 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ever had this happen?
>
>
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> One thing I didn't see mentioned is for you to do a
> gravity flow check to make sure you have plenty of
> fuel flow without the pump. This is usually part of
> the testing before initial flight. You need to
> disconnect the fuel line before the carb(s) and time
> the flow rate in gallons per minute. Make sure it is
> flowing fast enough to feed the engine. Not a good
> idea to count on a single pump to keep the engine
> running.
>
> One of the accidents I read about before flying mine
> was a crash that resulted from a wire coming off a
> fuel pump on takeoff. Engine went rapidly lean,
> banged once and quit. KitFox crashed for one broken
> wire joint!
>
> I put in 2 pumps and did a flow check as well. Still
> don't like my system, so I will rebuild it and check
> it for more reliability.
>
> You should check yours and fix any obstructions, if
> the flow is too slow by gravity. Trace the system
> backwards from the carbs and fix everything that stops
> the fuel. In your case, there is certainly something
> slowing the flow before the filter, so fix that. But
> test the system at the carb too and make sure there
> isn't any more problems down stream.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- MA Stanard <cgod@cebridge.net> wrote:
>
> > Oh Wisdom of the List, I call upon your knowledge!
>
> > Right wing shows 3 gallons thru the sight tube, but
> > the fuel filter is empty. Does any one know why
> > this could be? Is there gas baffled in one section
> > of the tank that does not reach? I am unfamiliar
> > with what the tank looks like since I am not the
> > builder. The fuel filters also seem to have a hard
> > time filling up in flight and only stay half full
> > when flying. I can watch the gas coming in but most
> > times it seems to be only a trickle.
> >
> > Any solutions or suggestions?
> >
> > Michael Stanard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks
Did you have to do much in the way of mods to your airplane to get the 1050
gross?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model II MTOW
It is registered as 1050lbs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model III-A??
Dee:
What is the MTOW for your plane?
Do not archive
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers |
I'm not saying the FAA is wrong on this one... In fact they are probably
right. However in other countries around the world there is no tail wheel
endorsement.
It may be interesting to see what countries do have a tail wheel
endorsement. I'll Start:
North of the 49th I don't know of any requirement for an endorsement to fly
conventional gear. There are endorsements for IFR, floats and weight.
Noel
>
> The FAA requires pilots without prior tail wheel experience to have a
> specific logbook endorsement to fly one. They must think a tail
> wheel poses a little more challenge.
>
> Certainly, people become comfortable with what they are familiar with
> and often fear the unfamiliar. Those that have mastered any tricky
> feat tend to forget the effort it took to learn it in the first place.
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers |
Lynn sez:
>I wonder if the FAA required a similar endorsement when the tricycle
>gear first came out? After all, pilots up until then had ONLY
>taildragger experience.
Since tricycle gear airplanes are inherently directionally stable on
the ground, I doubt it. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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When I got the kit there was conflicting information on gross so I opted for
the higher gross 1,050 llbs.
Dee
Do Not Archive
Noel says
>Thanks
>
>Did you have to do much in the way of mods to your airplane to get the 1050
>gross?
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers |
Hi,
In Germany you need to have a tail wheel endorsement.
Cheers
Werner
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Noel Loveys
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2006 15:59
An: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Betreff: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Taildraggers
I'm not saying the FAA is wrong on this one... In fact they are probably
right. However in other countries around the world there is no tail wheel
endorsement.
It may be interesting to see what countries do have a tail wheel
endorsement. I'll Start:
North of the 49th I don't know of any requirement for an endorsement to fly
conventional gear. There are endorsements for IFR, floats and weight.
Noel
>
> The FAA requires pilots without prior tail wheel experience to have a
> specific logbook endorsement to fly one. They must think a tail wheel
> poses a little more challenge.
>
> Certainly, people become comfortable with what they are familiar with
> and often fear the unfamiliar. Those that have mastered any tricky
> feat tend to forget the effort it took to learn it in the first place.
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| Subject: | RE:stits epoxy primer how-to? |
Dave,
I would consider pulling a wire through the tube then attach a varnish
soaked rag to the wire and pull it through. Do it a couple times with a
really wet rag and the inside will be properly coated.
Cal
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers |
On Nov 26, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Werner Keiper wrote:
> In Germany you need to have a tail wheel endorsement.
Same in Norway and taildragger instructors are very difficult to find.
Probably the reason I was very quickly asked, after my endorsement if I
wanted to train to become an instructor myself. It could have been nice
but I didn't wanted to use my Kitfox as a training plane. She is my
loved one and I share her with no one, if not, maybe my son ... but
then only when he asks politely! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] Shadow |
On Nov 26, 2006, at 9:06 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> Cheap talk?
Maybe but you made me laugh, Kurt! Good one!
Michel
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I've heard that a limitation for light sport is 45 vso max. As a licensed
pilot I should have this in my head, but.. VS is clean vs VSO is
landing configuration. Is this power on or off? I can drag my model IV on
the prop very slow, but barely make the sport requirement if they mean power
off continual glide. A quick search yielded no answer so I ask my diverse
Kitfox friends. Ron NB, Ore.
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| Subject: | Ever had this happen? |
This is why an old bush pilot told me to wear a felt
cap. It was his backup filter, but let it air out
before putting it back on.... :-(
Kurt S. S-5
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> If the pilot was using a felt (Chamois) to filter
> his fuel, it won't pass water.....
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Ron, the Light Sport Aircraft requirement is Vs1 of not more than 45 knots (51
mph) CAS at maximum certificated takeoff weight. Thats stalling speed clean for
a kitfox.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Low spot in fuel system |
I have a nose tank (panel tank) in a Classic 4. There is no header tank behind
the seat. The fuel system is built by the book. Fuel line runs from the outlet
at the foreward bottom center of the tank back to the on/off valve at the
bottom of the panel, then foreward through the firewall. The gascolator is on
the lower right of the firewall.
There is a low spot in the fuel line at the on/off valve with the tail on the ground
and a low spot in the line at the tank outlet when the plane is level.
I worry about water collecting in the low spots. Has anyone figured out a way
to eliminate these low spots in a fuel system like this? Picture attached.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Question |
Does anyone know if a Biannual Flight Review (BFR) is required for the
Sport Pilot? My local CFI isn't sure.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Question |
Yup, it is.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Question |
Yes it is the CFI that performs the BI annual as well as gives chek rides
for flying into controled air space and plains flying over 87 nots malcolm
michigan kit foxer
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Are you saying that a Kitfox IV stall speed is 51 mph ?
Mine is about 40 mph on amphibs and less on wheels clean and at gross
With flapperons you can knock off another 5 to 8 mph.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VSO ELSA
>
> Ron, the Light Sport Aircraft requirement is Vs1 of not more than 45 knots
> (51 mph) CAS at maximum certificated takeoff weight. Thats stalling speed
> clean for a kitfox.
> Tom Jones
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77098#77098
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low spot in fuel system |
Hi Tom,
Looks like you have a early IV-1200 instead of the Classic as the
Classic and late 1200s had the behind the seat tank.
Anyway I would advise you to reroute the fuel line so that is
gradually slopes to the gascolator and does not have a low spot.
Humps in the fuel line are problematic for causing flow stoppage due
to bubbles in the line. The new routing will probably require new
tubing from the valve to the gacolator. Place the plane in a
horizontal position the use a level to see how to route the new line
to make sure it slopes down hill from the valve.
Regards, Paul
===================
At 01:26 PM 11/26/2006, you wrote:
>
>I have a nose tank (panel tank) in a Classic 4. There is no header
>tank behind the seat. The fuel system is built by the book. Fuel
>line runs from the outlet at the foreward bottom center of the tank
>back to the on/off valve at the bottom of the panel, then foreward
>through the firewall. The gascolator is on the lower right of the firewall.
>
>There is a low spot in the fuel line at the on/off valve with the
>tail on the ground and a low spot in the line at the tank outlet
>when the plane is level. I worry about water collecting in the low
>spots. Has anyone figured out a way to eliminate these low spots in
>a fuel system like this? Picture attached.
>
>Tom Jones
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77104#77104
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_5032_812.jpg
>
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I said that stall speed in a confusing way didn't I. I meant to say, Vs1 means
stalling speed clean for a kitfox. Sport Plane criteria is a Vs1 of less than
45 knots (51mph). How's that?
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Low spot in fuel system |
Thanks Paul. Yes I agree the line needs to slope down hill all the way to the
gascolator. I can't seem to figure out how to do that with the parts I have.
It is a Classic 4 but I think Skystar cleaned out all the miselaneous parts they
had laying around left over from the XL model when they filled the crate it
came in.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Low spot in fuel system |
Tom,
I have the Classic IV and my kit (Late 95) didn't come with a Gascalator
or include it in the installation manual. My low point is the header
(located low behind passenger seat). Just wondering why you have a
gascalator?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Low spot in fuel system
>
> Thanks Paul. Yes I agree the line needs to slope down hill all the way to
> the gascolator. I can't seem to figure out how to do that with the parts
> I have. It is a Classic 4 but I think Skystar cleaned out all the
> miselaneous parts they had laying around left over from the XL model when
> they filled the crate it came in.
> Tom Jones
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77132#77132
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filter for 912UL |
Are any of you with 912 engines using Carquest or Wix oil filters?
Would like to have the filter number for these brands if anyone is
sucessfully using them.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Question |
Yes it is.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Question
Does anyone know if a Biannual Flight Review (BFR) is required for the
Sport Pilot? My local CFI isn't sure.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter for 912UL |
Carquest 85056
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Filter for 912UL
Are any of you with 912 engines using Carquest or Wix oil filters? Would
like to have the filter number for these brands if anyone is sucessfully
using them.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter for 912UL |
Thank you Lowell.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Filter for 912UL
>
> Carquest 85056
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:46 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Filter for 912UL
>
>
> Are any of you with 912 engines using Carquest or Wix oil filters? Would
> like to have the filter number for these brands if anyone is sucessfully
> using them.
>
> Thanks
> Jimmie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filter for 912UL |
Hi Jimmie and the rest,
I've attended the four stroke engine seminar twice with Eric Tucker as t
he instructor. He really does a fine job in case you ever get the chance
to attend. He addressed the topic of aftermarket filters and said that
they have different pressure relief points than the Rotax filters. Even
though they may fit the engine, you're more likely to pump unfiltered oi
l through your engine. I don't have my notes here at home from the semin
ar, but I'm pretty sure this is accurate. I had been running a car oil f
ilter until attending that seminar and changed as soon as I returned hom
e.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Are any of you with 912 engines using Carquest or Wix oil filters? Woul
d like to have the filter number for these brands if anyone is sucessful
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id that they have different pressure relief points than the Rotax filter
s. Even though they may fit the engine, you're more likely to pump unfil
tered oil through your engine. I don't have my notes here at home from t
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Question |
yes it is required.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Question
Does anyone know if a Biannual Flight Review (BFR) is required for the
Sport Pilot? My local CFI isn't sure.
Don Smythe
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11/26/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers |
The requirement for a tail wheel endorsement came about after most students
were learning to fly in nose wheels and there were a number of accidents
when they first tried to fly a tail wheel. The FAA rarely make any changes
until someone dies.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Taildraggers
Lynn sez:
>I wonder if the FAA required a similar endorsement when the tricycle
>gear first came out? After all, pilots up until then had ONLY
>taildragger experience.
Since tricycle gear airplanes are inherently directionally stable on
the ground, I doubt it. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Low spot in fuel system |
Don,
My Classic 4 did not come with a header tank for behind the seat. I wish it would
have, then I would not need the gascolator. I purchased the gascolator as
an option to install in the low point of the nose tank fuel system.
For what its worth, the wing tanks feed the nose tank instead of a header tank.
It looks like I may have purchased my kit just before you did. I should have
waited then maybe I would have received the good header tank system.
The problem I have run into is there is no way to plumb the fuel lines into the
shutoff valve where it is designed to go and still have a continuous down hill
flow.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter for 912UL |
I attended his course with Eric about 2 years ago and it was a really
good course. After attending his course I changed from Carquest to
Rotax oil filters and had since forgotten the number for the Carquest
filter. The difference I noted when I changed from the Carquest to the
Rotax filter is the number of compression strokes I must turn my engine
through before it will burp from the oil tank. With the Carquest filter
I was able to get the engine to burp after about 30 compression strokes
even after the plane sat idle for several days. With the Rotax oil
filter it takes about 135 compression strokes to burp the engine. I
don't know the why of this but it would seem to save a lot of preflight
work if everything else is equal between the Rotax and Carquest filter.
You could certainly be right about there being a difference in pressure
relief points and hopefully someone of the list has done some research
of this. Definitely need to check into it.
Thank you Rex. Good thoughts.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Filter for 912UL
Hi Jimmie and the rest,
I've attended the four stroke engine seminar twice with Eric Tucker as
the instructor. He really does a fine job in case you ever get the
chance to attend. He addressed the topic of aftermarket filters and said
that they have different pressure relief points than the Rotax filters.
Even though they may fit the engine, you're more likely to pump
unfiltered oil through your engine. I don't have my notes here at home
from the seminar, but I'm pretty sure this is accurate. I had been
running a car oil filter until attending that seminar and changed as
soon as I returned home.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Are any of you with 912 engines using Carquest or Wix oil filters?
Would like to have the filter number for these brands if anyone is
sucessfully using them.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
Thanks for the comic relief ;-)
Andrew
CFI/CFII/MEI
KF3
ERJ-145 Hopeful
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>From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: off topic PA 28 crash
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:50:40 -0700
>
>
>>oh yeah... and to keep it relevant, I hope no one from this list does this
>>in a KITFOX.
>
>I guess that makes my accident a UFIT. :-)
>
>Mike G.
>N728KF
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filter for 912UL |
Lockwood is saying the same thing. The pressure relief points are
different.
Randy - Using Carquest until the next oil change.
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Filter for 912UL
Hi Jimmie and the rest,
I've attended the four stroke engine seminar twice with Eric Tucker as the
instructor. He really does a fine job in case you ever get the chance to
attend. He addressed the topic of aftermarket filters and said that they
have different pressure relief points than the Rotax filters. Even though
they may fit the engine, you're more likely to pump unfiltered oil through
your engine. I don't have my notes here at home from the seminar, but I'm
pretty sure this is accurate. I had been running a car oil filter until
attending that seminar and changed as soon as I returned home.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Are any of you with 912 engines using Carquest or Wix oil filters? Would
like to have the filter number for these brands if anyone is sucessfully
using them.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: off topic PA 28 crash |
Still not much news... with 48 hrs the plane was removed by NTSB.
Flew over with my kitfox and took a few photos. It appeared it went close
to straight in. Also 1/2 a stab was found alone about 1,000 feet away. I
asked the NTSB investigator and he would say nothing....
We have had spectacular weather for this time of year.... been getting all
the KF flying possible.
Dave
KF2
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| Subject: | Wheel Pants on a KF 2 |
Has anyone added Wheel pants and measured the difference?
I added fairings and was a big difference.
PS An Avid Heavy hauler landed at my strip this afternoon. A really nice
plane.
Dave
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