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1. 03:23 AM - Re: Failure Point (dave)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (Fox5flyer)
3. 07:11 AM - Oil Filters for 912UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
4. 07:25 AM - Re: Oil Filters for 912UL (Fox5flyer)
5. 08:00 AM - Fw: Defective Rotax Oil Filters (Jimmie Blackwell)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Conventional Vs Tail and other training (Michael Gibbs)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Conventional Vs Tail and other training (Michael Gibbs)
8. 09:46 AM - Re: Oil Filters for 912UL (dcsfoto)
9. 09:57 AM - Re: Oil Filters for 912UL (johnciolino@comcast.net)
10. 10:02 AM - CH-701 vs Kitfox7 (dcsfoto)
11. 10:22 AM - Re: CH-701 vs Kitfox7 (dave)
12. 11:09 AM - Re: Oil Filters for 912UL (flier)
13. 02:14 PM - type of fuel (wannafly)
14. 02:39 PM - Subaru EA-81 (Kathy & Dick Toomey)
15. 03:13 PM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (GAry Olson)
16. 03:31 PM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (Don Smythe)
17. 04:06 PM - Re: Oil Filters for 912UL (JOHN May)
18. 05:13 PM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (kirk hull)
19. 05:15 PM - Re: type of fuel (kirk hull)
20. 05:28 PM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (kirk hull)
21. 05:29 PM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (PWilson)
22. 05:49 PM - Re: Beacon? Strobe? (ron schick)
23. 07:16 PM - Re: type of fuel (Margaret Hastedt)
24. 11:31 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:34 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Failure Point |
Hi Rex,
I have a Model IV with rods ends, I have seen earlier Kitfox models
without rod ends and the end of strut just like the avid strut. I
would guess that the rod end was used to make accommodate for wing
adjustment to allow to a less precision wing build ?
I found this on the carry through tube issue on the Skyfox
http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/an956issue3x.doc
I have yet to see the same on Kitfoxes. Has there been any reported rod
end or carry through failures ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Failure Point
Where did it fail ?
The carry throguh tube would be one of the weakest links.
Rod ends would be the next weakest link I think. If you look at the
Avids
they do not use rod ends.
Dave
Dave,
I'm only going on memory here so please no one take it for
gospel but I seem to remember the weakest link is the rod end but also
here in Australia anyway we have Skyfox's that are rough copies of
Kitfox's. These are apparently failing at the carry through tube and
there is an AD out for that. I understand they have a weaker tube, maybe
wall thickness not sure !
Also took my interest to read the Avid does not use rod ends. What
do they do ? I assume just a bolt ! Is it in shear ?
I think that loading the wing to failure point is on a video copied
by Grant Fluent on this list. I guess anyone that wants a copy could
first check with Grant that this is on the Video then buy a copy from
him. I remember his price was extremely reasonable and there was a lot
of interesting stuff on the DVD copy like loops and rolls in a Kitfox.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Beacon? Strobe? |
Ron, as much as I tried, I can't get my feeble brain to visualize what you
described for a mounting. Can you try it from a different angle?
Thanks,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Dan go to Chief Aircraft or Aircraft Spruce. There are self contained
> beacons for 50- 125.00. I found one on fleabay and mounted it on my
> vertical stab. I used a plastic funnel cut to fit down over the stab,
then
> poured full of epoxy and chopped glass for a nice fairing/ mount. The low
> profile thing is hard to achieve without needing a belly mount also. Ron
NB
> Ore
>
>
> >From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
> >To: kitfox-list <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
> >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:15:25 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit to the
> >top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I have a 912s,
so
> >the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
> > Still Building
> > Thanks,
> > Dan B
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filters for 912UL |
In recent days I have done some research on oil filters and in
particular Rotax filters versus Carquest and Wix filters. The results
are rather revealing.
I think that all Kitfoxers should know these results, however there
seems to be a reluctance to discuss oil filters on the list, so I will
not publish the results of my research on the list. Guess I am to dumb
to understand why very few on the list want to discuss this important
topic.
I will be happy to provide the information to anyone that contacts me
directly on line or on my cell phone 512 695-6627.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filters for 912UL |
Jimmie, perhaps I missed what you're talking about, but I haven't
noticed any reluctance to discuss oil filters. It's a topic that
affects all of us. Please post your results.
Thanks,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Filters for 912UL
In recent days I have done some research on oil filters and in
particular Rotax filters versus Carquest and Wix filters. The results
are rather revealing.
I think that all Kitfoxers should know these results, however there
seems to be a reluctance to discuss oil filters on the list, so I will
not publish the results of my research on the list. Guess I am to dumb
to understand why very few on the list want to discuss this important
topic.
I will be happy to provide the information to anyone that contacts me
directly on line or on my cell phone 512 695-6627.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Fw: Defective Rotax Oil Filters |
This is an email that I sent to Phil Lockwood at Lockwood Aviation
Supply. Bottom line is that Rotax has been supplying defective oil
filters for quiet some time. Most of us are in the habit of turning our
prop until the burp is herd from the oil tank(30 to 40) compression
strokes before starting. If you had one of the defective filters you
would need to turn your prop through at least 100 compression strokes
and perhaps as many as 150 compression strokes to insure that oil is
immediately available for the engine upon start. Fortunetly, I was
persistant and turned and turned my prop until I heard the air from the
tank. Many of the owners that I know simply did not do that and they
may have damaged their engines.
I have good information that Rotax and their major dealers in the U.S.
were aware of the problem and I for one am darned mad that they dragged
their feet about telling us. Not sure I will be able to believe Rotax
again.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: Defective Rotax Oil Filters
Please pass this message to Phil Lockwood.
This is to let you know of my great disappointment with Rotax and
Lockwood Aviation Supply.
I just learned about having used four defective Rotax oil filters on my
912 UL. Has my engine been damaged and will you overhaul it for me free
of charge? Rotax should be ashamed for not having better quality control
and notifying us as users. I have yet to be notified even though I have
bought Rotax oil filters from almost every major Rotax dealer in the
U.S.
Now I am not able to find a serviceable Rotax oil filter anywhere and to
top it off Rotax will not even recommend an interim filter. Surely,
someone in the world makes a filter that would be suitable for the 912
UL engine. How about some customer loyalty Rotax and Mr. Lockwood?
Recommend a filter for us other than Rotax so we can get our airplanes
flying again.
Please publish a reply for all of us 912UL owners to see. Can we
believe Rotax in the future when a part is recommended?
Jimmie Blackwell
1302 Roadrunner Dr.
Cedar Park, Texas 78613
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| Subject: | Re: Conventional Vs Tail and other training |
Noel sez:
>Let me get this straight...A vehicle with a high centre of gravity
>on a short wheel base is more stable than the same machine
>configured with a longer wheel base and a lower centre of gravity.
We are talking about directional stability here, Noel, not lateral.
How high the thing sits has nothing to do with directional stability.
Here's an experiment for you to conduct:
Go down to the local grocery store and grab a shopping cart that's in
reasonably good shape. Give it a push across the parking lot
(watching out for parked cars, of course) and see how it travels.
Now take the same cart and turn it around backward and give it a
shove. This time it will flip around forward on its own.
Now, fill the cart with a heavy load of groceries and do both test
runs again. You'll see that the cart still continues straight when
pushed forward and still flips around when pushed backward. The
higher load makes no difference.
Now go to your local Home Depot or Lowes or hardware store and get
one of those flat carts used for hauling bricks and lumber (NOT one
with wheels mounted in the MIDDLE, it must have FIXED wheels at one
end and SWIVEL wheels at the other end). Push one of these both
forward and back and you'll see it stay straight when the swivel
wheels are in the front and it will flip around when the swivel
wheels are in back. Now load this one up with a bunch of heavy
stuff--no change!
>I will agree that the tricycle plane will have more longitudal
>stability than its conventional counterpart but only for the few
>seconds after touch down.
As I've said repeatedly, you are talking about CONTROLABILITY. I am
talking about STABILITY. They are NOT the same thing.
>The conventional aircraft is only less stable for a few seconds...
It is ALWAYS unstable by definition. I hope after conducting the
shopping cart experiment you'll understand that.
>As for the bicycle if you spin the wheels fast enough it will stay
>up on it's own.
It seems like you are trying very hard to NOT understand the
underlying concept of stability. Try another experiment: go out and
push the bicycle as fast as you or the kid down the block can
POSSIBLY push it and see if that is enough to keep it upright. My
point was that even though the bike (at reasonable speeds) wants to
fall over, the rider can easily CONTROL it even though it is UNSTABLE.
>I notice no one has said anything about the numbers of ground
>accidents involving tricycle vs. conventional gear planes.
I am quite certain that if I invested the considerable amount of time
required to show that, per capita, there are more
loss-of-control-on-the-ground accidents in tail draggers you would
dispute the source of the data, dispute what constitutes a loss of
control, and dispute the experience and qualifications of the pilots
involved and go on believing that since you are able to CONTROL a
tail dragger it must be stable.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Conventional Vs Tail and other training |
Lowell asks:
>A bit ago you intruduced the center of pressure into the stability
>equation. I am totally confused now. Isn't the center of pressure a
>factor when moving on the ground as well as in the air?
It is a factor, Lowell, but when the airplane is on the ground it
cannot pivot around the center of pressure like it would in
flight--it will always pivot around the main gear (unless you are
skidding the wheels, of course).
So, in flight, the center of mass is forward of the pivot point
(center of pressure), giving the airplane positive yaw stability. On
the ground, a tail dragger's pivot point is now the main gear, which
is in forward of the center of mass, causing negative stability. A
tricycle gear airplane's pivot point is also the main gear, but they
are still behind the center of mass, therefore it has positive
stability.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filters for 912UL |
I say post and thanks for taking the time to look into.
My model III was run on carquest by the past owner for over 100 hrs and still runs
great. I use Rotax now.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78436#78436
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filters for 912UL |
Jimmy,
I would agree there is no reluctance to discuss oil filters but there is certainly
a lack of information. It aggravates my penny-pinching soul to pay as much
as asked for a Rotax filter when an appropriate auto filter will do the same
thing. I tried to find the specs for the Rotax filer but had no luck. If you
have info please post we all need it--even if we decide not to use it.
John Ciolino
Movel IV-1200
N9294Y
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
In recent days I have done some research on oil filters and in particular Rotax
filters versus Carquest and Wix filters. The results are rather revealing.
I think that all Kitfoxers should know these results, however there seems to be
a reluctance to discuss oil filters on the list, so I will not publish the results
of my research on the list. Guess I am to dumb to understand why very few
on the list want to discuss this important topic.
I will be happy to provide the information to anyone that contacts me directly
on line or on my cell phone 512 695-6627.
Jimmie
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<DIV>I would agree there is no reluctance to discuss oil filters but there
is certainly a lack of information. It aggravates my penny-pinching soul to pay
as much as asked for a Rotax filter when an appropriate auto filter will do
the same thing. I tried to find the specs for the Rotax filer but had no
luck. If you have info please post we all need it--even if we decide not
to use it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ciolino</DIV>
<DIV>Movel IV-1200</DIV>
<DIV>N9294Y</DIV>
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| Subject: | CH-701 vs Kitfox7 |
I have scrach built one 701 and now have a Model III Kitfox .
love Kitfox so much I now have a Model 7 under work in the shop
Both aircraft takeoff and land in short order.
Kitfox: less time to build , due to quickbuild options
much higher VNE
more engine options
MUCH larger baggage ( see Kitfox for new baggage details}
baggage is low behind seat and is safer
easier to work on due to removeable boot cowl and glareshield
easy to convert taildragger to trike and back
wings can be folded by one person
hands down the Kitfox is the winner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78442#78442
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 vs Kitfox7 |
I agree 100%
We had this dicussion a week or two ago.
Mind you I would like to see some flight test results of the 701 without
the slats and or with the Savanah ( 701 clone)
http://www.cfisher.com/ bottom link on left -- trailer park movies --
Kitfox a easy simple efficient plane.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: CH-701 vs Kitfox7
>
> I have scrach built one 701 and now have a Model III Kitfox .
> love Kitfox so much I now have a Model 7 under work in the shop
> Both aircraft takeoff and land in short order.
> Kitfox: less time to build , due to quickbuild options
> much higher VNE
> more engine options
> MUCH larger baggage ( see Kitfox for new baggage details}
> baggage is low behind seat and is safer
> easier to work on due to removeable boot cowl and glareshield
> easy to convert taildragger to trike and back
> wings can be folded by one person
> hands down the Kitfox is the winner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78442#78442
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filters for 912UL |
Most of us around Houston have used the Carquest
85056 (if I remember the number right) for the last
10 years and for nearly a couple thousand hrs
combined on our 912s with no problems. What's the
beef?
--- Original Message ---
From: johnciolino@comcast.net
list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Filters for 912UL
>Jimmy,
>
>I would agree there is no reluctance to discuss oil
filters but there is certainly a lack of information.
It aggravates my penny-pinching soul to pay as much
as asked for a Rotax filter when an appropriate auto
filter will do the same thing. I tried to find the
specs for the Rotax filer but had no luck. If you
have info please post we all need it--even if we
decide not to use it.
>
>John Ciolino
>Movel IV-1200
>N9294Y
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com>
>
>In recent days I have done some research on oil
filters and in particular Rotax filters versus
Carquest and Wix filters. The results are rather
revealing.
>
>I think that all Kitfoxers should know these
results, however there seems to be a reluctance to
discuss oil filters on the list, so I will not
publish the results of my research on the list.
Guess I am to dumb to understand why very few on the
list want to discuss this important topic.
>
>I will be happy to provide the information to anyone
that contacts me directly on line or on my cell phone
512 695-6627.
>
>Jimmie
>
>
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I have an EA81 subaru engine and use auto fuel. I want to do a long cross country
and it is not always possible to get auto fuel at all the stops. Any experience
with changing to aviation fuel or mixing the differant types?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78504#78504
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I am curious to what size radiators are being used (Square inches) with
success for proper cooling on a Subaru EA-81 engine with carburetors.
Also is an oil cooler necessary?
Thanks
Dick
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| Subject: | Re: Beacon? Strobe? |
Does anybody know what are the intensity minimums are for position/anti-collision
lights per the FAA?
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:51:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
I went with the LEDs and constructed "bulbs" which fit into the
unmodified Whelen sockets. Sources, pictures, and specifics are
on my web site (about halfway down the page) at:
www.itsys3.com/kitfox/discover.shtml
Bill Hammond
Series 6 N913KF
Parker, Colorado
kirk hull wrote:
> I had the same feeling and gutted the fixture and made a micarda insert
> that holds a 20 watt halogen bulb from the auto parts store ($1.50).
> The actual wheelen parts came from a junk pile at the local shop.
> LEDs would work great inside this type of fixture as they do not but
> out as much heat. Where are you getting your LEDs and how big are they?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:26 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
>
> Kirk,
>
> Thanks for the idea. I just can't stand the thought of paying Whellen
> $300 for a friken lightbulb. I found a source for high intensity LED's
> and plan to see what I can develop.
>
> Dan
>
> kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I made mine out of a tail light assembly with a wing tip lens and a
> heavy-duty turn signal flasher.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:15 AM
> To: kitfox-list
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
>
> Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit
> to the top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I
> have a 912s, so the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
>
> Still Building
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan B
>
>
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
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| Subject: | Re: Beacon? Strobe? |
Gary,
That's a good question. Same question I tried to figure out about 8
years ago. I'm under the impression that the Aero Flash units did/do not
meet the minimums for FAA requirements. Maybe your question will have
better luck this time. Sorry, I'm still not sure. The only good part is,
an FAA inspector probably doesn't know either.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "GAry Olson" <n113gb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
Does anybody know what are the intensity minimums are for
position/anti-collision lights per the FAA?
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:51:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
I went with the LEDs and constructed "bulbs" which fit into the
unmodified Whelen sockets. Sources, pictures, and specifics are
on my web site (about halfway down the page) at:
www.itsys3.com/kitfox/discover.shtml
Bill Hammond
Series 6 N913KF
Parker, Colorado
kirk hull wrote:
> I had the same feeling and gutted the fixture and made a micarda insert
> that holds a 20 watt halogen bulb from the auto parts store ($1.50).
> The actual wheelen parts came from a junk pile at the local shop.
> LEDs would work great inside this type of fixture as they do not but
> out as much heat. Where are you getting your LEDs and how big are they?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:26 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
> Kirk,
>
> Thanks for the idea. I just can't stand the thought of paying Whellen
> $300 for a friken lightbulb. I found a source for high intensity LED's
> and plan to see what I can develop.
>
> Dan
>
> kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I made mine out of a tail light assembly with a wing tip lens and a
> heavy-duty turn signal flasher.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:15 AM
> To: kitfox-list
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
> Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit
> to the top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I
> have a 912s, so the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
>
> Still Building
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan B
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filters for 912UL |
Jimmie,
This is John May iin Kalamazoo Michigan. I have a Model IV-1200 Speedster with
a Rotax 912UL (approx 735 Hours). I am the second owner ( I bought it at 500
Hours). The original owner/builder told me to use the NAPA gold #1056 spin on
oil filter. Every other oil change I have the oil analysis done by Blackstone.
The oil analysis up to this point has always been in line with what is to be
expected for its age. I want to do what is best for the engine so I am interested
in what you have found out. John May
Jimmie Blackwell <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
In recent days I have done some research on oil filters and in particular
Rotax filters versus Carquest and Wix filters. The results are rather revealing.
I think that all Kitfoxers should know these results, however there seems to
be a reluctance to discuss oil filters on the list, so I will not publish the
results of my research on the list. Guess I am to dumb to understand why very
few on the list want to discuss this important topic.
I will be happy to provide the information to anyone that contacts me directly
on line or on my cell phone 512 695-6627.
Jimmie
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There is an AC out dealing with that. I will try to find it
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
Gary,
That's a good question. Same question I tried to figure out about 8
years ago. I'm under the impression that the Aero Flash units did/do not
meet the minimums for FAA requirements. Maybe your question will have
better luck this time. Sorry, I'm still not sure. The only good part is,
an FAA inspector probably doesn't know either.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "GAry Olson" <n113gb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
Does anybody know what are the intensity minimums are for
position/anti-collision lights per the FAA?
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:51:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
I went with the LEDs and constructed "bulbs" which fit into the
unmodified Whelen sockets. Sources, pictures, and specifics are
on my web site (about halfway down the page) at:
www.itsys3.com/kitfox/discover.shtml
Bill Hammond
Series 6 N913KF
Parker, Colorado
kirk hull wrote:
> I had the same feeling and gutted the fixture and made a micarda insert
> that holds a 20 watt halogen bulb from the auto parts store ($1.50).
> The actual wheelen parts came from a junk pile at the local shop.
> LED?s would work great inside this type of fixture as they do not but
> out as much heat. Where are you getting your LED?s and how big are they?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:26 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
> Kirk,
>
> Thanks for the idea. I just can't stand the thought of paying Whellen
> $300 for a friken lightbulb. I found a source for high intensity LED's
> and plan to see what I can develop.
>
> Dan
>
> kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I made mine out of a tail light assembly with a wing tip lens and a
> heavy-duty turn signal flasher.
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:15 AM
> To: kitfox-list
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
> Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit
> to the top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I
> have a 912s, so the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
>
> Still Building
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan B
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
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I have run 100LL in many cars ( with no cats ) and also in my fox with a
Subaru. No problems with any of the engines
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wannafly
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: type of fuel
I have an EA81 subaru engine and use auto fuel. I want to do a long cross
country and it is not always possible to get auto fuel at all the stops. Any
experience with changing to aviation fuel or mixing the differant types?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78504#78504
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The info is in AC 20-30B that can be found on FAA.GOV under advisory
circulars or I have a 648 KB PDF that I can email if needed
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GAry Olson
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
Does anybody know what are the intensity minimums are for
position/anti-collision lights per the FAA?
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:51:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
I went with the LEDs and constructed "bulbs" which fit into the
unmodified Whelen sockets. Sources, pictures, and specifics are
on my web site (about halfway down the page) at:
www.itsys3.com/kitfox/discover.shtml
Bill Hammond
Series 6 N913KF
Parker, Colorado
kirk hull wrote:
> I had the same feeling and gutted the fixture and made a micarda insert
> that holds a 20 watt halogen bulb from the auto parts store ($1.50).
> The actual wheelen parts came from a junk pile at the local shop.
> LED?s would work great inside this type of fixture as they do not but
> out as much heat. Where are you getting your LED?s and how big are they?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:26 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
>
> Kirk,
>
> Thanks for the idea. I just can't stand the thought of paying Whellen
> $300 for a friken lightbulb. I found a source for high intensity LED's
> and plan to see what I can develop.
>
> Dan
>
> kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I made mine out of a tail light assembly with a wing tip lens and a
> heavy-duty turn signal flasher.
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Billingsley
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:15 AM
> To: kitfox-list
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
>
> Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit
> to the top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I
> have a 912s, so the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
>
> Still Building
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan B
>
>
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
>
> www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Beacon? Strobe? |
Don't have the info you all want but a search of
the aeroelectric archives no doubt will yield the
data. They had a long thread on the subject.
Paul
============
At 03:31 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
>
>Gary,
> That's a good question. Same question I
> tried to figure out about 8 years ago. I'm
> under the impression that the Aero Flash units
> did/do not meet the minimums for FAA
> requirements. Maybe your question will have
> better luck this time. Sorry, I'm still not
> sure. The only good part is, an FAA inspector probably doesn't know either.
>
>Don Smythe
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" <n113gb@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:12 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
>
>Does anybody know what are the intensity
>minimums are for position/anti-collision lights per the FAA?
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Bill Hammond <kitfox@itsys3.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:51:10 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
>
>I went with the LEDs and constructed "bulbs" which fit into the
>unmodified Whelen sockets. Sources, pictures, and specifics are
>on my web site (about halfway down the page) at:
>
>www.itsys3.com/kitfox/discover.shtml
>
>Bill Hammond
>Series 6 N913KF
>Parker, Colorado
>
>kirk hull wrote:
>>I had the same feeling and gutted the fixture and made a micarda insert
>>that holds a 20 watt halogen bulb from the auto parts store ($1.50).
>> The actual wheelen parts came from a junk pile at the local shop.
>> LEDs would work great inside this type of fixture as they do not but
>>out as much heat. Where are you getting your LEDs and how big are they?
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley
>>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:26 PM
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>>
>>
>>
>>Kirk,
>>
>>Thanks for the idea. I just can't stand the thought of paying Whellen
>>$300 for a friken lightbulb. I found a source for high intensity LED's
>>and plan to see what I can develop.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> I made mine out of a tail light assembly with a wing tip lens and a
>> heavy-duty turn signal flasher.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Billingsley
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:15 AM
>> To: kitfox-list
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit
>> to the top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I
>> have a 912s, so the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
>>
>> Still Building
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dan B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>www.aeroelectric.com
>>
>>www.kitlog.com
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>www.aeroelectric.com
>>
>>www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com>
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Beacon? Strobe? |
Deke I'll post an after picture. The funnel sits pointing downward as if in
use. the flat top is where the base of the light attaches. The spout and
part of the sides get cut off to form a channel which drops over the
vertical stab. Place plastic barrier over stab, then place funnel over,
then fill with epoxy. Remove, sand paint, walla. Sorry I don't have a
close up, but it flares to a flat spot like a Cessna. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 06:37:06 -0500
>
>
>Ron, as much as I tried, I can't get my feeble brain to visualize what you
>described for a mounting. Can you try it from a different angle?
>Thanks,
>Deke
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:28 PM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
>
>
><roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Dan go to Chief Aircraft or Aircraft Spruce. There are self contained
> > beacons for 50- 125.00. I found one on fleabay and mounted it on my
> > vertical stab. I used a plastic funnel cut to fit down over the stab,
>then
> > poured full of epoxy and chopped glass for a nice fairing/ mount. The
>low
> > profile thing is hard to achieve without needing a belly mount also.
>Ron
>NB
> > Ore
> >
> >
> > >From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
> > >To: kitfox-list <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Beacon? Strobe?
> > >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:15:25 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Has anyone found or know of a low profile beacon that could be fit to
>the
> > >top of the vertical Stab? What are others doing for this? I have a
>912s,
>so
> > >the Amp draw needs to be kept low.
> > > Still Building
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan B
> >
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| Subject: | Re: type of fuel |
I haven't used anyting BUT avgas in my EA-81 engine. No problems to date, but with
only 45 hours of flight time it's not very conclusive. I haven't been using
any lead scavenging products either. To be continued...
Margaret H.
Classic IV N3076U
>>> wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com 12/1/2006 4:14 PM >>>
I have an EA81 subaru engine and use auto fuel. I want to do a long cross country
and it is not always possible to get auto fuel at all the stops. Any experience
with changing to aviation fuel or mixing the differant types?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78504#78504
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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