Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Tank Sloshing (Colin Durey)
2. 05:31 AM - New - SKI FLYING Video (dave)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Dee Young)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Heater Questions (RRTRACK@aol.com)
6. 06:23 AM - Gloves for Poly (Dave G.)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video Lynn MAC (dave)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Michel Verheughe)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: Tank Sloshing (Michel Verheughe)
10. 08:22 AM - Re: Gloves for Poly (Alan Daniels)
11. 08:37 AM - Re: type of fuel (Mark Thompson)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Lowell Fitt)
13. 09:34 AM - Re: Cabin Heater Questions (kitfoxmike)
14. 09:37 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video Lynn MAC (Lynn Matteson)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Lynn Matteson)
16. 09:48 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Lynn Matteson)
17. 09:51 AM - Re: Gloves for Poly (Lynn Matteson)
18. 10:23 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (dave)
19. 10:41 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (JC Propellerdesign)
20. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Cabin Heater Questions (Lowell Fitt)
21. 12:32 PM - Re: Gloves for Poly (flier)
22. 02:14 PM - First Flight G-CDXY (David Steade)
23. 02:46 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (Don Pearsall)
24. 02:59 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (Michel Verheughe)
25. 03:31 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (dave)
26. 03:40 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (john perry)
27. 04:15 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (Sjklerks@aol.com)
28. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Heater Questions (dave)
29. 08:46 PM - Spark Plug Caps (Rex Shaw)
30. 08:59 PM - Heater (Rex Shaw)
31. 09:28 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Sloshing |
Lowell,
Thank you very much for the detailed response. I'll go with either the
Kreem or the JC Whitnbey product. I'm not sure who handles these products
in Australia, but will investigate. Once again, thanks for your help.
Regads
Colin Durey
Sydney
Lowell Fitt said:
>
> List
>
> I have been running some tests on the alcohol issue. The result is
> preliminary, as it has only been going on since October 1.
>
> FYI, the purpose of the testing is to find a coating for a balsa wood
> float
> used in a low fuel sensor.
>
> The test consists of a series of test tubes with floats coated with
> various
> coatings and separated from the glass walls of the test tubes with a guide
> wire. The guide wire prevents surface tension - floats against the glass
> from masking the floats
> ability to sink in the event it loses buoyancy.
>
> This is the set-up:
>
> Two floats coated with vinyl ester resin.
> Two floats coated with vinyl ester resin that had been mixed in a plastic
> cup attacked by the resin to see if the cup somehow degraded the resin.
> Two floats coated with Kreem
> One float coated with a fuel tank sealer from JC Whitney
>
> One of each float is submerged in our version of California pump fuel
> which
> I have measured as containing 6-7% ethanol. One of each float is
> submerged
> in 97% ethanol (denatured alcohol). The Lone JC Whitney coated float is
> in
> mogas.
>
> For the first two weeks, on a daily basis, I took the floats up to a
> virtual
> 14,000 ft in a
> bell jar to simulate flying to altitude to see if the coatings were
> breaking
> down and allowing the floats to de-gas. since then the altitude test has
> been conducted about weekly.
>
> The result of the tests so far is as follows.
>
> Early on, one of the Kreem coated floats degassed under vacuum suggesting
> a
> breach of the coating. The air bubble was large - 1/16" and was on the
> end
> of the float. Past experience suggests that if the coating fails large
> bubbles from
> the float interior will appear on the surface.
>
> After 30 days, I removed the vinyl ester coated floats from the 97%
> ethanol
> and mogas for observation. The submersion had dulled the surface from
> it's
> original shiny appearance on both floats. The surface looked etched.
> When
> returned to the test tube, They resumed their normal floating
> condition. When I took the floats to the 14,000 ft. altitude, both floats
> began to degass with what seemed to be thousands of microscopic, very
> difficult to see bubbles. I saw no difference in the two mixes of resin.
>
> To date, all Kreem coated floats have retained their luster in both the
> mogas and the alcohol.
>
> Since the early bubble seen on one Kreem Float, no evidence of coating
> breach has been seen on any of the floats when taken to the 14,000 ft.
> pressure in the vacuum chamber.
>
> Discussion:
>
> When brushing on the coating, it is more difficult to get full coverage
> with
> Kreem if there is any oughness or pitting as was sometimes found on the
> end
> grain balsa. This may be due to the very rapid evaporation of the MEK
> thinner.
> Fuel tank coating, I suspect would be more effective as it is a closed
> system and the
> MEK would be in a saturated environment and evaporation would be minimal
> until the tank is vented. The surface of the Kreem retained it's luster
> and
> is intact
> and with the exception of one faulty coating, Kreem seems to have worked
> well
> to date.
>
> The "Gas Tank Sealant" from JC Whitney has reacted identically to the
> Kreem.
> The only difference between the two so far is that Kreem is a little
> yellower in color
> out of the can while the JC Whitney product is snow white,
>
> With the loss of surface luster, I concluded that the vinyl ester resin
> had
> been attacked by the alcohol (fuel) in both solutions and portions had
> been
> dissolved. I am not a chemist, but I think when the resin cures it does
> not result in a homogeneous solid, but is more like a sponge with areas of
> hard resin with interspersed pockets of a more vulnerable material. I
> think
> the softer material dissolved out into the alcohol / fuel. Then when
> dried,
> air diffused into the porous surface and degassed as the pressure in the
> bell jar was reduced. Vinyl ester resins are mixed similarly to polyester
> resins with the use of MEKP and proportioned to determine curing times.
> Small areas of roughness from the brush application were present
> indicating
> that the resin was not being dissolved en masse.
>
>>From this and past list discussions, my present conclusion is if you can
>> get
> the Kreem to stick and fill all the pinholes it is a good surface
> preparation for alcohol resistence.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "colindu" <colin@ptcsg.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:49 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tank Sloshing
>
>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm about to fabric the wings on our KFIV, so before I do, I'd like to
>> know what the latest reccomendation is for sloshing the tanks,
>> especially
>> with regard to the advent of ethanol. Non-ethanol fuel is standard here,
>> but I'm sure it will develop into an issue sooner rather than later, so
>> I
>> really want to make the right choice now.
>>
>> Any words of wisdom will be most welcome.
>>
>> Regards
>> Colin Durey
>> Sydney
>>
>> --------
>> Colin Durey
>> Sydney
>> +61-418-677073
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p020#80020
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | New - SKI FLYING Video |
Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on Saturday.
Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>
> Bob
> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs . One
> Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as recommended by
> Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these plugs have to be
> gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come pre gapped though by
> rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps are anywhere form .016 to
> .045 depending on the vehicle and machine and how it is to be used . Now
> when you go to the dealer they will look up the part by the manufacturer
> number as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 . and
> what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to the spec for that
> application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is this someone else I
> guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug and charging us more
> but there is absolutely no difference in the plug other than the gap .
>
> John Perry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>
>
>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>
>> Perry,
>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in North
>> America do not have all the info and internal goings on of NGK's head
>> office.
>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Bob R
>>
> -----
>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it stays -
>>>>>> who knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are aviation
>>>>>>> solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap (.035+-)
>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for their
>>>>>>> plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive solid core
>>>>>>> plugs
>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that the
>>>>>>> ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed because
>>>>>>> ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and secondly ,the
>>>>>>> gap and grounding tab were different. We returned all but 30 of
>>>>>>> these (a back up in case we got short stocked on the ones we were
>>>>>>> getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually selling
>>>>>>> the automotive plug.
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all handle
>>>>>>> the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam flats
>>>>>>> (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in terms
>>>>>>> of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25 hour
>>>>>>> intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there would
>>>>>>> be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75 or 100 hour
>>>>>>> change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the manuals state, but
>>>>>>> the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE" days
>>>>>>> (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The bits and
>>>>>>> pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple answer to at
>>>>>>> least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and NGK asking about
>>>>>>> the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the
>>>>>>> delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my opinion,
>>>>>>> the shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I want
>>>>>>> some of them......
>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid tip??????
>>>>>>> They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver solid
>>>>>>> tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in the auto
>>>>>>> store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
good vidio, thanks for sharing with us
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: dave<mailto:dave@cfisher.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:30 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
<dave@cfisher.com<mailto:dave@cfisher.com>>
Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on
Saturday.
Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/<http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/>
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com<mailto:eskflyer@lvcisp.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
<eskflyer@lvcisp.com<mailto:eskflyer@lvcisp.com>>
>
> Bob
> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs .
One
> Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as
recommended by
> Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these plugs have to
be
> gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come pre gapped though
by
> rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps are anywhere form
016 to
> .045 depending on the vehicle and machine and how it is to be used .
Now
> when you go to the dealer they will look up the part by the
manufacturer
> number as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 .
and
> what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to the spec for
that
> application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is this someone else
I
> guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug and charging us
more
> but there is absolutely no difference in the plug other than the gap
>
> John Perry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca<mailto:aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>
>
>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca<mailto:aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>>
>>
>> Perry,
>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in
North
>> America do not have all the info and internal goings on of NGK's
head
>> office.
>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Bob R
>>
> -----
>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com<mailto:dave@cfisher.com>>
>>>>> To:
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
<dave@cfisher.com<mailto:dave@cfisher.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm<http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
stays -
>>>>>> who knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca<mailto:aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>>
>>>>>> To:
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca<mailto:aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
aviation
>>>>>>> solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap (.035+-)
>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for
their
>>>>>>> plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive solid
core
>>>>>>> plugs
>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that
the
>>>>>>> ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed because
>>>>>>> ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and secondly
,the
>>>>>>> gap and grounding tab were different. We returned all but 30
of
>>>>>>> these (a back up in case we got short stocked on the ones we
were
>>>>>>> getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
selling
>>>>>>> the automotive plug.
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
handle
>>>>>>> the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam
flats
>>>>>>> (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in
terms
>>>>>>> of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25 hour
>>>>>>> intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
would
>>>>>>> be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75 or
100 hour
>>>>>>> change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the manuals
state, but
>>>>>>> the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca<http://www.rtx-av-engines.ca/>
>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net<http://www.aerocontrols.net/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net<mailto:dosmythe@cox.net>>
>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List"
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE"
days
>>>>>>> (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The bits
and
>>>>>>> pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple answer to
at
>>>>>>> least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and NGK asking
about
>>>>>>> the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the
>>>>>>> delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my
opinion,
>>>>>>> the shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I
want
>>>>>>> some of them......
>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid
tip??????
>>>>>>> They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver solid
>>>>>>> tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in the
auto
>>>>>>> store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos? Or tell me what
I need...besides an IBM clone?...ain't gonna do that. I've already
discussed this matter with Dave and he's run out of ideas. I can go to
Paul's site and view his videos, but I can't download.
Lynn
do not archive
>
> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on Saturday.
> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
>
> About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>
>
>>
>> Bob
>> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
>> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs .
>> One Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as
>> recommended by Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these
>> plugs have to be gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come
>> pre gapped though by rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps
>> are anywhere form .016 to .045 depending on the vehicle and machine
>> and how it is to be used . Now when you go to the dealer they will
>> look up the part by the manufacturer number as in rotaxes specs it
>> says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 . and what they hand you is a NGK
>> part number 3961 gapped to the spec for that application not by NGK
>> but by someone else. Who is this someone else I guess rotax is taking
>> the time to gap the same plug and charging us more but there is
>> absolutely no difference in the plug other than the gap .
>>
>> John Perry
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>
>>
>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>
>>> Perry,
>>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in
>>> North America do not have all the info and internal goings on of
>>> NGK's head office.
>>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Bob R
>>>
>> -----
>>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
>>>>>>> stays - who knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
>>>>>>>> aviation solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap
>>>>>>>> (.035+-)
>>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for
>>>>>>>> their plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive
>>>>>>>> solid core plugs
>>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that
>>>>>>>> the ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed
>>>>>>>> because ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and
>>>>>>>> secondly ,the gap and grounding tab were different. We
>>>>>>>> returned all but 30 of these (a back up in case we got short
>>>>>>>> stocked on the ones we were getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
>>>>>>>> selling the automotive plug.
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
>>>>>>>> handle the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam
>>>>>>>> flats (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in
>>>>>>>> terms of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25
>>>>>>>> hour intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
>>>>>>>> would be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75
>>>>>>>> or 100 hour change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the
>>>>>>>> manuals state, but the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe"
>>>>>>>> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE"
>>>>>>>> days (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The
>>>>>>>> bits and pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple
>>>>>>>> answer to at least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and
>>>>>>>> NGK asking about the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also
>>>>>>>> asking about the delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus
>>>>>>>> .035". In my opinion, the shorter ground and .018" gap is a
>>>>>>>> more important issue. I want some of them......
>>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid
>>>>>>>> tip?????? They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver
>>>>>>>> solid tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in
>>>>>>>> the auto store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater Questions |
I would just want to caution any one taking air from behind the radiator for
cabin heat to make sure the exhaust is not part of the mix. I have wanted to
try this myself but have to tape up most of the radiator in winter to keep
the engine temps up.
Mark
Wisconsin
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I have been using the blue nitrile gloves for work with the Hysol and
with mek and such while working with my wings and such. I have found
that they seem to degrade very quickly if I get mek on the fingers. I
have a very heavy set of chemical resistant gloves made of neoprene that
are better but with much less feel. The question is what do you use? I
understand that once I get to the actual "gluing" with Polytak, I will
be getting a bit of this on my fingers and if the nitril gloves that I
wear while working on my bike aren't going to cut it, what will?
As always, please do not reply to the list. occom@ns.sympatico.ca
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video Lynn MAC |
Lynn,
I took the liberty of emailing Michel to ask him and he said he had no
trouble any videos from his mac that I put up.
He had 2 thoughts - one was you down loading as text possibly ?
And the other was a possible setting on your browser.
I ma clueless on most topics and even more so on a MAC .
Sorry Lynn.
I can tell you that it is a .wmv format and should be adaptable and
downloadable from a PC or a MAC.
You did say that you cannot view google video so it does suggest that
possibily you have a setting somewhere that needs to be changed?
Heck why not fly over here today ? You wold have a 50 knot tailwind. at
4000 feet :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos? Or tell me what I
> need...besides an IBM clone?...ain't gonna do that. I've already
> discussed this matter with Dave and he's run out of ideas. I can go to
> Paul's site and view his videos, but I can't download.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>>
>> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on Saturday.
>> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
>>
>> About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
>> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
>>> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs . One
>>> Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as recommended
>>> by Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these plugs have to
>>> be gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come pre gapped though
>>> by rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps are anywhere form
>>> .016 to .045 depending on the vehicle and machine and how it is to be
>>> used . Now when you go to the dealer they will look up the part by the
>>> manufacturer number as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number#
>>> 897-055 . and what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to
>>> the spec for that application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is
>>> this someone else I guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug
>>> and charging us more but there is absolutely no difference in the plug
>>> other than the gap .
>>>
>>> John Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>
>>>> Perry,
>>>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in North
>>>> America do not have all the info and internal goings on of NGK's head
>>>> office.
>>>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Bob R
>>>>
>>> -----
>>>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
>>>>>>>> stays - who knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
>>>>>>>>> aviation solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap
>>>>>>>>> (.035+-)
>>>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for their
>>>>>>>>> plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive solid core
>>>>>>>>> plugs
>>>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that the
>>>>>>>>> ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed because
>>>>>>>>> ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and secondly
>>>>>>>>> ,the gap and grounding tab were different. We returned all but
>>>>>>>>> 30 of these (a back up in case we got short stocked on the ones
>>>>>>>>> we were getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
>>>>>>>>> selling the automotive plug.
>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
>>>>>>>>> handle the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam flats
>>>>>>>>> (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in
>>>>>>>>> terms of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25 hour
>>>>>>>>> intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
>>>>>>>>> would be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75 or
>>>>>>>>> 100 hour change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the
>>>>>>>>> manuals state, but the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe"
>>>>>>>>> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE" days
>>>>>>>>> (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The bits and
>>>>>>>>> pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple answer to at
>>>>>>>>> least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and NGK asking about
>>>>>>>>> the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the
>>>>>>>>> delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my opinion,
>>>>>>>>> the shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I
>>>>>>>>> want some of them......
>>>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid tip??????
>>>>>>>>> They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver solid
>>>>>>>>> tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in the auto
>>>>>>>>> store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
On Dec 10, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos?
Sir, Yes Sir! I open the web page in Safari, click on the link to
download and it opens in Safari with the QuickTime reader.
Try this, Lynn: Ctrl-click the link, then choose Download Linked File.
Now you'll have the movie on your hard disk. Then try to open it with
different viewers like QuickTime and Windows Media Player. The latter
is no longer updated for the Macintosh but it should work for this type
of .wmv file.
Otherwise, I agree with you, it's a jungle out there, especially for
video formats.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Sloshing |
On Dec 10, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Colin Durey wrote:
> Thank you very much for the detailed response.
Isn't Lowell a great guy? You see, at this very moment, the Jabiru list
argue about all the stuff that should, or should not be done after the
last service bulletin concerning the flywheel. Everybody gives his
opinion and it's very confusing. Lowell doesn't give his opinion about
tank sloshing, he gets to work and come with some neat results. Facts!
That's great!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Gloves for Poly |
I use an invisible glove. It is a cream sold by most aircraft supply
places that will protect you from the chemicals, but will wash off with
water.
Dave G. wrote:
> I have been using the blue nitrile gloves for work with the Hysol and
> with mek and such while working with my wings and such. I have found
> that they seem to degrade very quickly if I get mek on the fingers. I
> have a very heavy set of chemical resistant gloves made of neoprene
> that are better but with much less feel. The question is what do you
> use? I understand that once I get to the actual "gluing" with Polytak,
> I will be getting a bit of this on my fingers and if the nitril gloves
> that I wear while working on my bike aren't going to cut it, what will?
>
> As always, please do not reply to the list. occom@ns.sympatico.ca
> <mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: type of fuel |
Hi all,I have done some testing with my fox as far as avgas ,and using
fully synthetic oil on VW,and I do not recomend this type of oil if you are
running avgas due to the lead deposit of 100LL, this is fine if you are
running car fuel.....no lead....What happens is your oil temps go way up
and your oil pressure fall tolow levels.This info was tested by me over 10
hrs off flight time and then verified by Mobile Tech support......I have
found that mobile does make a aircraft grade synthetic oil,but it was
easier to go back to standard 20/50 organic oils.
Sincerely......Mark N61AC
> [Original Message]
> From: Margaret Hastedt <hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/1/2006 10:20:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: type of fuel
>
<hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
>
> I haven't used anyting BUT avgas in my EA-81 engine. No problems to date,
but with only 45 hours of flight time it's not very conclusive. I haven't
been using any lead scavenging products either. To be continued...
>
> Margaret H.
> Classic IV N3076U
>
> >>> wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com 12/1/2006 4:14 PM >>>
>
> I have an EA81 subaru engine and use auto fuel. I want to do a long cross
country and it is not always possible to get auto fuel at all the stops.
Any experience with changing to aviation fuel or mixing the differant types?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78504#78504
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Lynn,
Daves videos are posted as wmv files. Not generic with the Mac but there is
a version of Windows Media Player for the Mac that is downloadable. Go to:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/AllDownloads.aspx?displang=en&qstechnology=
Click on All verions and I hope you have OS X .
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos? Or tell me what I
> need...besides an IBM clone?...ain't gonna do that. I've already
> discussed this matter with Dave and he's run out of ideas. I can go to
> Paul's site and view his videos, but I can't download.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>>
>> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on Saturday.
>> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
>>
>> About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
>> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
>>> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs . One
>>> Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as recommended
>>> by Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these plugs have to
>>> be gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come pre gapped though
>>> by rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps are anywhere form
>>> .016 to .045 depending on the vehicle and machine and how it is to be
>>> used . Now when you go to the dealer they will look up the part by the
>>> manufacturer number as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number#
>>> 897-055 . and what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to
>>> the spec for that application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is
>>> this someone else I guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug
>>> and charging us more but there is absolutely no difference in the plug
>>> other than the gap .
>>>
>>> John Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>
>>>> Perry,
>>>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in North
>>>> America do not have all the info and internal goings on of NGK's head
>>>> office.
>>>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Bob R
>>>>
>>> -----
>>>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
>>>>>>>> stays - who knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
>>>>>>>>> aviation solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap
>>>>>>>>> (.035+-)
>>>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for their
>>>>>>>>> plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive solid core
>>>>>>>>> plugs
>>>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that the
>>>>>>>>> ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed because
>>>>>>>>> ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and secondly
>>>>>>>>> ,the gap and grounding tab were different. We returned all but
>>>>>>>>> 30 of these (a back up in case we got short stocked on the ones
>>>>>>>>> we were getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
>>>>>>>>> selling the automotive plug.
>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
>>>>>>>>> handle the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam flats
>>>>>>>>> (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in
>>>>>>>>> terms of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25 hour
>>>>>>>>> intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
>>>>>>>>> would be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75 or
>>>>>>>>> 100 hour change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the
>>>>>>>>> manuals state, but the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe"
>>>>>>>>> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE" days
>>>>>>>>> (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The bits and
>>>>>>>>> pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple answer to at
>>>>>>>>> least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and NGK asking about
>>>>>>>>> the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the
>>>>>>>>> delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my opinion,
>>>>>>>>> the shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I
>>>>>>>>> want some of them......
>>>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid tip??????
>>>>>>>>> They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver solid
>>>>>>>>> tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in the auto
>>>>>>>>> store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater Questions |
first off, you don't pull air off the strip stream of the exhaust. I have the
912 and the radiator is away from the exhaust. If you are worried about it, put
in a co meter.
I put in my wrap yesterday and wow, what difference. No air in the cockpit at all,
real nice.
--------
kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p548#80548
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video Lynn MAC |
I had a 56mph tailwind yesterday, but I didn't have to land in 30
inches of snow. : ) I was doing 150mph groundspeed on my GPS...with the
wind....about 46 against it.
It was strange...at 2700' I was bucking the wind heading 220, but if I
went to 2800' it was calm as can be...still strong wind, but not
turbulent. Any more of this talk and we'll be stepping on toes.
I'll get my Mac-savvy neighbor to come and take a look at my download
problem....as to the downloading as text? I just went to your site and
clicked on the blue words that said "download" right under the picture
of the plane on skis in snow, and I got what amounts to a billboard of
every letter, symbol, number, punctuation mark, etc., known to man, and
in every (probable) language.
Thanks for looking into the matter, Dave, but if Michel couldn't help,
it must be on my end of things.
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, December 10, 2006, at 09:35 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn,
>
> I took the liberty of emailing Michel to ask him and he said he had no
> trouble any videos from his mac that I put up.
> He had 2 thoughts - one was you down loading as text possibly ?
> And the other was a possible setting on your browser.
>
> I ma clueless on most topics and even more so on a MAC .
> Sorry Lynn.
>
> I can tell you that it is a .wmv format and should be adaptable and
> downloadable from a PC or a MAC.
>
> You did say that you cannot view google video so it does suggest that
> possibily you have a setting somewhere that needs to be changed?
>
> Heck why not fly over here today ? You wold have a 50 knot tailwind.
> at 4000 feet :)
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
>
>>
>> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
>> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos? Or tell me
>> what I need...besides an IBM clone?...ain't gonna do that. I've
>> already discussed this matter with Dave and he's run out of ideas. I
>> can go to Paul's site and view his videos, but I can't download.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>>>
>>> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on
>>> Saturday.
>>> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
>>>
>>> About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
>>> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
>>>> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs .
>>>> One Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as
>>>> recommended by Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961
>>>> these plugs have to be gapped by the owner when replacing them
>>>> ,they come pre gapped though by rotax or skidoo when buying a new
>>>> machine . gaps are anywhere form .016 to .045 depending on the
>>>> vehicle and machine and how it is to be used . Now when you go to
>>>> the dealer they will look up the part by the manufacturer number
>>>> as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 . and
>>>> what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to the spec
>>>> for that application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is this
>>>> someone else I guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug
>>>> and charging us more but there is absolutely no difference in the
>>>> plug other than the gap .
>>>>
>>>> John Perry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perry,
>>>>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in
>>>>> North America do not have all the info and internal goings on of
>>>>> NGK's head office.
>>>>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
>>>>>>>>> stays - who knows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
>>>>>>>>>> aviation solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap
>>>>>>>>>> (.035+-)
>>>>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for
>>>>>>>>>> their plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive
>>>>>>>>>> solid core plugs
>>>>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that
>>>>>>>>>> the ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed
>>>>>>>>>> because ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and
>>>>>>>>>> secondly ,the gap and grounding tab were different. We
>>>>>>>>>> returned all but 30 of these (a back up in case we got short
>>>>>>>>>> stocked on the ones we were getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
>>>>>>>>>> selling the automotive plug.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
>>>>>>>>>> handle the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam
>>>>>>>>>> flats (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs
>>>>>>>>>> in terms of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at
>>>>>>>>>> 25 hour intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
>>>>>>>>>> would be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a
>>>>>>>>>> 75 or 100 hour change out schedule (that's a lot longer than
>>>>>>>>>> the manuals state, but the plugs seem to be going the
>>>>>>>>>> distance).
>>>>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe"
>>>>>>>>>> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to
>>>>>>>>>> get excited about this and it reminds me of the old
>>>>>>>>>> "KITFOXSAFE" days (beat it to death and come up with all the
>>>>>>>>>> facts). The bits and pieces are coming in and I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>> there is a simple answer to at least, my confusion. I've
>>>>>>>>>> sent emails to CPS and NGK asking about the aviation/non
>>>>>>>>>> aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the delivered
>>>>>>>>>> pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my opinion, the
>>>>>>>>>> shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I
>>>>>>>>>> want some of them......
>>>>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid
>>>>>>>>>> tip?????? They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers
>>>>>>>>>> deliver solid tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as
>>>>>>>>>> you get in the auto store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> -- ----------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Ok, Michel, I just did that, and it started my download manager up and
appears to be downloading...only 1 hour 27 minutes to go...I've got
time to go to the hangar and finish my heat muff modification. Thanks,
I'll let you and Dave know how it works out via personal email.
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, December 10, 2006, at 09:44 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Dec 10, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
>> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos?
>
> Sir, Yes Sir! I open the web page in Safari, click on the link to
> download and it opens in Safari with the QuickTime reader.
> Try this, Lynn: Ctrl-click the link, then choose Download Linked File.
> Now you'll have the movie on your hard disk. Then try to open it with
> different viewers like QuickTime and Windows Media Player. The latter
> is no longer updated for the Macintosh but it should work for this
> type of .wmv file.
> Otherwise, I agree with you, it's a jungle out there, especially for
> video formats.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Yes to the OS X, Lowell...I've got a download going now, and I'll see
what that produces in about an hour...boy, I miss the good old days at
the University, where the pipeline was a LOT faster than my phone line.
: )
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, December 10, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> Daves videos are posted as wmv files. Not generic with the Mac but
> there is a version of Windows Media Player for the Mac that is
> downloadable. Go to:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/
> AllDownloads.aspx?displang=en&qstechnology= Click on All verions and I
> hope you have OS X .
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
>
>>
>> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
>> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos? Or tell me
>> what I need...besides an IBM clone?...ain't gonna do that. I've
>> already discussed this matter with Dave and he's run out of ideas. I
>> can go to Paul's site and view his videos, but I can't download.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>>>
>>> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on
>>> Saturday.
>>> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
>>>
>>> About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
>>> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
>>>> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs .
>>>> One Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as
>>>> recommended by Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961
>>>> these plugs have to be gapped by the owner when replacing them
>>>> ,they come pre gapped though by rotax or skidoo when buying a new
>>>> machine . gaps are anywhere form .016 to .045 depending on the
>>>> vehicle and machine and how it is to be used . Now when you go to
>>>> the dealer they will look up the part by the manufacturer number
>>>> as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 . and
>>>> what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to the spec
>>>> for that application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is this
>>>> someone else I guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug
>>>> and charging us more but there is absolutely no difference in the
>>>> plug other than the gap .
>>>>
>>>> John Perry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perry,
>>>>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in
>>>>> North America do not have all the info and internal goings on of
>>>>> NGK's head office.
>>>>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
>>>>>>>>> stays - who knows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
>>>>>>>>>> aviation solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap
>>>>>>>>>> (.035+-)
>>>>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for
>>>>>>>>>> their plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive
>>>>>>>>>> solid core plugs
>>>>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that
>>>>>>>>>> the ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed
>>>>>>>>>> because ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and
>>>>>>>>>> secondly ,the gap and grounding tab were different. We
>>>>>>>>>> returned all but 30 of these (a back up in case we got short
>>>>>>>>>> stocked on the ones we were getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
>>>>>>>>>> selling the automotive plug.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
>>>>>>>>>> handle the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam
>>>>>>>>>> flats (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs
>>>>>>>>>> in terms of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at
>>>>>>>>>> 25 hour intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
>>>>>>>>>> would be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a
>>>>>>>>>> 75 or 100 hour change out schedule (that's a lot longer than
>>>>>>>>>> the manuals state, but the plugs seem to be going the
>>>>>>>>>> distance).
>>>>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe"
>>>>>>>>>> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to
>>>>>>>>>> get excited about this and it reminds me of the old
>>>>>>>>>> "KITFOXSAFE" days (beat it to death and come up with all the
>>>>>>>>>> facts). The bits and pieces are coming in and I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>> there is a simple answer to at least, my confusion. I've
>>>>>>>>>> sent emails to CPS and NGK asking about the aviation/non
>>>>>>>>>> aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the delivered
>>>>>>>>>> pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my opinion, the
>>>>>>>>>> shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I
>>>>>>>>>> want some of them......
>>>>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid
>>>>>>>>>> tip?????? They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers
>>>>>>>>>> deliver solid tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as
>>>>>>>>>> you get in the auto store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> -- ----------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gloves for Poly |
I used the invisible gloves...when I remembered...and also some orange
gloves that I got at Gordon Food Service, that said right on the
package that they are impervious to MEK, among other chemicals. They
aren't too thick to work with, I didn't feel....or actually, I DID
feel...pun intended.
Lynn
On Sunday, December 10, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Alan Daniels wrote:
> <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
>
> I use an invisible glove. It is a cream sold by most aircraft supply
> places that will protect you from the chemicals, but will wash off
> with water.
> Dave G. wrote:
>> I have been using the blue nitrile gloves for work with the Hysol and
>> with mek and such while working with my wings and such. I have found
>> that they seem to degrade very quickly if I get mek on the fingers. I
>> have a very heavy set of chemical resistant gloves made of neoprene
>> that are better but with much less feel. The question is what do you
>> use? I understand that once I get to the actual "gluing" with
>> Polytak, I will be getting a bit of this on my fingers and if the
>> nitril gloves that I wear while working on my bike aren't going to
>> cut it, what will?
>> As always, please do not reply to the list. occom@ns.sympatico.ca
>> <mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Good work guys on getting Lynn set up...........
Lynn i predict will be the next google video nut and be seeking high speed
internet.
I am in the country and run a hig speed wireless an it 44$ a month.
haha
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
> Ok, Michel, I just did that, and it started my download manager up and
> appears to be downloading...only 1 hour 27 minutes to go...I've got time
> to go to the hangar and finish my heat muff modification. Thanks, I'll let
> you and Dave know how it works out via personal email.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Sunday, December 10, 2006, at 09:44 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
>>> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos?
>>
>> Sir, Yes Sir! I open the web page in Safari, click on the link to
>> download and it opens in Safari with the QuickTime reader.
>> Try this, Lynn: Ctrl-click the link, then choose Download Linked File.
>> Now you'll have the movie on your hard disk. Then try to open it with
>> different viewers like QuickTime and Windows Media Player. The latter is
>> no longer updated for the Macintosh but it should work for this type of
>> .wmv file.
>> Otherwise, I agree with you, it's a jungle out there, especially for
>> video formats.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Very Nice Video Dave.
Jan
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From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on
Saturday.
Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
<eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>
> Bob
> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs .
One
> Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as
recommended by
> Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these plugs have to
be
> gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come pre gapped though
by
> rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps are anywhere form
.016 to
> .045 depending on the vehicle and machine and how it is to be used .
Now
> when you go to the dealer they will look up the part by the
manufacturer
> number as in rotaxes specs it says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 .
and
> what they hand you is a NGK part number 3961 gapped to the spec for
that
> application not by NGK but by someone else. Who is this someone else
I
> guess rotax is taking the time to gap the same plug and charging us
more
> but there is absolutely no difference in the plug other than the gap
.
>
> John Perry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>
>
>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>
>> Perry,
>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in
North
>> America do not have all the info and internal goings on of NGK's
head
>> office.
>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Bob R
>>
> -----
>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
stays -
>>>>>> who knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
aviation
>>>>>>> solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap (.035+-)
>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for
their
>>>>>>> plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive solid
core
>>>>>>> plugs
>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that
the
>>>>>>> ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed because
>>>>>>> ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and secondly
,the
>>>>>>> gap and grounding tab were different. We returned all but 30
of
>>>>>>> these (a back up in case we got short stocked on the ones we
were
>>>>>>> getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
selling
>>>>>>> the automotive plug.
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
handle
>>>>>>> the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam
flats
>>>>>>> (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in
terms
>>>>>>> of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25 hour
>>>>>>> intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
would
>>>>>>> be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75 or
100 hour
>>>>>>> change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the manuals
state, but
>>>>>>> the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE"
days
>>>>>>> (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The bits
and
>>>>>>> pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple answer to
at
>>>>>>> least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and NGK asking
about
>>>>>>> the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also asking about the
>>>>>>> delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus .035". In my
opinion,
>>>>>>> the shorter ground and .018" gap is a more important issue. I
want
>>>>>>> some of them......
>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid
tip??????
>>>>>>> They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver solid
>>>>>>> tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in the
auto
>>>>>>> store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
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>>> --
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater Questions |
There is a start up company - HighWing LLC (Yes I am involved) that has a
radiator shutter kit for the Skystar supplied radiator for the 912 series
engines. It is an easy assembly and attached to the radiator with Nylon Tie
wraps. It requires a Button Lock dash control like the A-700 from ACS for
operation.
For other radiators, an exact dimensional drawing with location of the inlet
and outlet accurately depicted and we will make up jigs from that.
Attached - two photos. one installed in a Speedster radiator shroud and one
uninstalled.
If anyone is interested drop an off list note.
Lowell
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From: <RRTRACK@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin Heater Questions
>I would just want to caution any one taking air from behind the radiator
>for
> cabin heat to make sure the exhaust is not part of the mix. I have wanted
> to
> try this myself but have to tape up most of the radiator in winter to keep
> the engine temps up.
> Mark
> Wisconsin
>
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I've also used invisible glove. Works great.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Daniels
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gloves for Poly
I use an invisible glove. It is a cream sold by most aircraft supply
places that will protect you from the chemicals, but will wash off with
water.
Dave G. wrote:
> I have been using the blue nitrile gloves for work with the Hysol and
> with mek and such while working with my wings and such. I have found
> that they seem to degrade very quickly if I get mek on the fingers. I
> have a very heavy set of chemical resistant gloves made of neoprene
> that are better but with much less feel. The question is what do you
> use? I understand that once I get to the actual "gluing" with Polytak,
> I will be getting a bit of this on my fingers and if the nitril gloves
> that I wear while working on my bike aren't going to cut it, what will?
>
> As always, please do not reply to the list. occom@ns.sympatico.ca
> <mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | First Flight G-CDXY |
Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th
December after 3 1/2 years construction.
Here are some of the details.
100hp Rotax engine
VP 50 in flight variable pitch propeller
830 lbs empty
Take off run about 200 Yards
Rate of climb 1 up 1/3rd fuel 1200 fpm
Rate of climb 2 up 1/2 fuel 900 fpm
Cruise 60 to 70% power 90 knots (4800 rpm at 26 inches manifold)
Max straight and level 102 knots
3 flights total 2 hours
No adjustments needed
Elevator trim very powerful almost no rudder required at any cruise
speed.
Much better than I hoped and a lot different to the Mk3 I had
previously.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | First Flight G-CDXY |
David, congratulations on your first flight! You built a beautiful aircraft.
Thanks for sharing it with us
Don Pearsall
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Steade
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight G-CDXY
Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th December
after 3 1/2 years construction.
Here are some of the details.
100hp Rotax engine
VP 50 in flight variable pitch propeller
830 lbs empty
Take off run about 200 Yards
Rate of climb 1 up 1/3rd fuel 1200 fpm
Rate of climb 2 up 1/2 fuel 900 fpm
Cruise 60 to 70% power 90 knots (4800 rpm at 26 inches manifold)
Max straight and level 102 knots
3 flights total 2 hours
No adjustments needed
Elevator trim very powerful almost no rudder required at any cruise speed.
Much better than I hoped and a lot different to the Mk3 I had previously.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-CDXY |
On Dec 10, 2006, at 11:13 PM, David Steade wrote:
> Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th
> December after 3 1/2 years construction.
Congratulations, David.
> Much better than I hoped and a lot different to the Mk3 I had
> previously.
Please, let us know. I have a model 3.
Cheers,
Michel
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Way to go David !!
----- Original Message -----
From: David Steade
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight G-CDXY
Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th
December after 3 1/2 years construction.
Here are some of the details.
100hp Rotax engine
VP 50 in flight variable pitch propeller
830 lbs empty
Take off run about 200 Yards
Rate of climb 1 up 1/3rd fuel 1200 fpm
Rate of climb 2 up 1/2 fuel 900 fpm
Cruise 60 to 70% power 90 knots (4800 rpm at 26 inches manifold)
Max straight and level 102 knots
3 flights total 2 hours
No adjustments needed
Elevator trim very powerful almost no rudder required at any cruise
speed.
Much better than I hoped and a lot different to the Mk3 I had
previously.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-CDXY |
YEEEEEEEHAWWWW way to go now go have fun and fly safe Congratulations
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-CDXY |
Nice looking 7 congrats
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater Questions |
Hey Mike,
You put in a wrap ? what is that ? I assume a heat muff?
I pull heat from my radiator with no exhaust at all but I also havc an
extention on mine as you can see in those videos I posted. But my Heat
muff gives the most heat . I can fly at 0 F and keep cabin temp of over 50
F on cloudy days. Much warmer on sunny days. My record is over 2 hour x
country at - 25 C and never wore gloves entire trip till i landed on Lake
at flyin.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin Heater Questions
>
> first off, you don't pull air off the strip stream of the exhaust. I have
> the 912 and the radiator is away from the exhaust. If you are worried
> about it, put in a co meter.
>
> I put in my wrap yesterday and wow, what difference. No air in the cockpit
> at all, real nice.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p548#80548
>
>
>
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The 582 is one of the few beasties that has a recommendation to use both
resistor caps and resistor plugs. I had the resistors on a set of plugs
short out once and even with the resistor caps communications line of
sight
with the tower was impossible. If you are carrying a radio I don't
think
the automotive style caps will work.
Noel
Hi ! Noel,
I use non resistor NGK caps from the Auto store and
BR8EIX resistor plugs and I certainly get no problems. My 582 Blue Head
motor runs sweet and same with my communications. An Icom A20 MKII
mounted on the panel with external antenna and power from the plane via
a Pi filter circuit I made.
If you had trouble with say a resistor in a plug shorting out then I
can well imagine the resistor caps are not going to cover this problem.
Rex.
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I am planning on installing an inverter behind the seat that will
connect to a separate battery. From the inverter I will run a small
electrical heater and mount it under the dash. Does anyone know why
I should not do this?
Michael
Hi ! Michael,
You can't get enough heat this way at least
without flattening the battery real quick indeed. Let's say you use a
500 watt heater. I can't see where you are going to find smaller and I
think you would need that anyway. So that 500 watt heater will actually
draw more than that out of the battery and the total output of your
charging system is probably only 170 watts and you need some of that for
other things plus you would not want to run your charging system flat
out all the time. Did you realise it works out to power a 500 watt
heater you need to draw about 45 Amps ?
Sorry you will need to use a heat muff or water.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-CDXY |
At 02:13 PM 12/10/2006, you wrote:
>Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th December
>after 3 1/2 years construction.
Congratulations David! I'm looking forward to seeing you at the Desert Fox
Fly-in in March.
>
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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