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1. 12:30 AM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:03 AM - Re: Heater (crazyivan)
3. 05:42 AM - - SKI FLYING Video now on youtube (dave)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (jdmcbean)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: - SKI FLYING Video now on youtube (Rexinator)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: Cabin Heater Questions (kitfoxmike)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: Gloves for Poly (akflyer)
8. 07:17 AM - Re: Heater (kitfoxmike)
9. 07:23 AM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (Lowell Fitt)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (kitfoxmike)
11. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Heater (dave)
12. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Gloves for Poly (Lynn Matteson)
13. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Heater (Lynn Matteson)
14. 09:31 AM - Re: Heater (kitfoxmike)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Heater (dave)
16. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Heater (Marco Menezes)
17. 10:14 AM - Cabin Heater Questions (Paul Seehafer)
18. 10:41 AM - Re: Heater (kitfoxmike)
19. 10:44 AM - Re: Cabin Heater Questions (kitfoxmike)
20. 11:32 AM - Fluff and DO NOT ARCHIVE (Ted Palamarek)
21. 12:34 PM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (Paul Seehafer)
22. 04:13 PM - Re: New - SKI FLYING Video (dave)
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| Subject: | RE: First Flight G-CDXY |
> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> Congratulations David! I'm looking forward to seeing you at the Desert Fox
> Fly-in in March.
Isn't the Desert Fox fly-in in the US? Isn't David in UK?
Just wondering,
Michel
do not archive
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Too heavy and it brings your cg aft.
A heater core with a small fan or a heat muff off of your exhaust are lighter but
a little more complicated to install.
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | - SKI FLYING Video now on youtube |
Hi guys,
I added a link here http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ for you tube as well.
resolution is not as good and it smaller but hopefully if any had troubles
viewing before like Lynn ,
this might help.
Our snow is 3/4s gone with 6 to 8 inches left now and rain forecast next 3
days and temps 40 to 50 F .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
> Yes to the OS X, Lowell...I've got a download going now, and I'll see
> what that produces in about an hour...boy, I miss the good old days at
> the University, where the pipeline was a LOT faster than my phone line.
> : )
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Sunday, December 10, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn,
>> Daves videos are posted as wmv files. Not generic with the Mac but
>> there is a version of Windows Media Player for the Mac that is
>> downloadable. Go to:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/
>> AllDownloads.aspx?displang=en&qstechnology= Click on All verions and I
>> hope you have OS X .
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Damn! And here I sit with a Mac and all I get is a long page of
>>> gobbledegook....Michel, can you download Dave's videos? Or tell me what
>>> I need...besides an IBM clone?...ain't gonna do that. I've already
>>> discussed this matter with Dave and he's run out of ideas. I can go to
>>> Paul's site and view his videos, but I can't download.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on
>>>> Saturday.
>>>> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
>>>>
>>>> About 25 meg -- download and enjoy
>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> It is interesting to note that in all Skidoo,s with Rotax engines
>>>>> recommended plugs for engines are common stock numbered NGK plugs .
>>>>> One Plug in particular is used in many of the rotax engines as
>>>>> recommended by Rotax that is the plug BR8ES Stock number #3961 these
>>>>> plugs have to be gapped by the owner when replacing them ,they come
>>>>> pre gapped though by rotax or skidoo when buying a new machine . gaps
>>>>> are anywhere form .016 to .045 depending on the vehicle and machine
>>>>> and how it is to be used . Now when you go to the dealer they will
>>>>> look up the part by the manufacturer number as in rotaxes specs it
>>>>> says for 582 Rotax number# 897-055 . and what they hand you is a NGK
>>>>> part number 3961 gapped to the spec for that application not by NGK
>>>>> but by someone else. Who is this someone else I guess rotax is taking
>>>>> the time to gap the same plug and charging us more but there is
>>>>> absolutely no difference in the plug other than the gap .
>>>>>
>>>>> John Perry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perry,
>>>>>> I guess you will just have to wait. I would believe that NGK in
>>>>>> North America do not have all the info and internal goings on of
>>>>>> NGK's head office.
>>>>>> I can only tell you what is passed along to us from Rotax.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 9:48 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs BOb can you comment ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Bob and All .
>>>>>>>>>> I took a few pics of the different plugs here.
>>>>>>>>>> Been a long day so I hope i got it right.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cfisher.com/ngk.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if I screwed it up .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW we got over 12 inches of white stuff today- how long it
>>>>>>>>>> stays - who knows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Robertson"
>>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don....
>>>>>>>>>>> O.K. there are solid core automotove plugs and there are
>>>>>>>>>>> aviation solid core plugs. The auto plugs have a larger gap
>>>>>>>>>>> (.035+-)
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't comment on what other service centers are doing for
>>>>>>>>>>> their plugs sales. I know we purchased a case of automotive
>>>>>>>>>>> solid core plugs
>>>>>>>>>>> because they wer a dollar or so less expensive (my cost) that
>>>>>>>>>>> the ones we were buying from Rotax.. I was dissapointed
>>>>>>>>>>> because ,firstly, they were marked "not for aircraft use" and
>>>>>>>>>>> secondly ,the gap and grounding tab were different. We
>>>>>>>>>>> returned all but 30 of these (a back up in case we got short
>>>>>>>>>>> stocked on the ones we were getting from Rotax).
>>>>>>>>>>> I would not be suprised that some Rotax dealers are actually
>>>>>>>>>>> selling the automotive plug.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that Lockwood, LEAF and South Misissippi all
>>>>>>>>>>> handle the plugs we get from Rotax.
>>>>>>>>>>> As they come from Austria, our plugs come in bulk styrafoam
>>>>>>>>>>> flats (not indicidual boxes).
>>>>>>>>>>> How much difference are there between the two type of plugs in
>>>>>>>>>>> terms of performance. Iff'n you change the plugs out at 25
>>>>>>>>>>> hour intervals, I doubt you would see any difference.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a change out schedule of 50 hours I'm sure there
>>>>>>>>>>> would be a difference. We have lots of customers who use a 75
>>>>>>>>>>> or 100 hour change out schedule (that's a lot longer than the
>>>>>>>>>>> manuals state, but the plugs seem to be going the distance).
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this un-muddies the water a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Robertson
>>>>>>>>>>> Light Engine Services Ltd.
>>>>>>>>>>> Rotax Service Center
>>>>>>>>>>> Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>>>>>>>>>>> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>>>>>>>>>>> www.aerocontrols.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe"
>>>>>>>>>>> <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bear with me on this spark plug issue. I'm starting to get
>>>>>>>>>>> excited about this and it reminds me of the old "KITFOXSAFE"
>>>>>>>>>>> days (beat it to death and come up with all the facts). The
>>>>>>>>>>> bits and pieces are coming in and I'm sure there is a simple
>>>>>>>>>>> answer to at least, my confusion. I've sent emails to CPS and
>>>>>>>>>>> NGK asking about the aviation/non aviation BR8ES plugs. Also
>>>>>>>>>>> asking about the delivered pre-gap settings of .018" versus
>>>>>>>>>>> .035". In my opinion, the shorter ground and .018" gap is a
>>>>>>>>>>> more important issue. I want some of them......
>>>>>>>>>>> So far, there have been part numbers given for solid
>>>>>>>>>>> tip?????? They are for auto use only????? Rotax centers deliver
>>>>>>>>>>> solid tip/.018" gap?????? CPS delivers the same as you get in
>>>>>>>>>>> the auto store (.035" gap)?????
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still Confused but will get straight,
>>>>>>>>>>> Don Smythe
>>>>>>>>>>> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | First Flight G-CDXY |
Congrats David !!!
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Steade
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight G-CDXY
Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th December
after 3 1/2 years construction.
Here are some of the details.
100hp Rotax engine
VP 50 in flight variable pitch propeller
830 lbs empty
Take off run about 200 Yards
Rate of climb 1 up 1/3rd fuel 1200 fpm
Rate of climb 2 up 1/2 fuel 900 fpm
Cruise 60 to 70% power 90 knots (4800 rpm at 26 inches manifold)
Max straight and level 102 knots
3 flights total 2 hours
No adjustments needed
Elevator trim very powerful almost no rudder required at any cruise speed.
Much better than I hoped and a lot different to the Mk3 I had previously.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Re: - SKI FLYING Video now on youtube |
Looks like fun was had by all. Nice!
(might I suggest that a monopod camera support would help reduce
telephoto camera shake?)
Last night the Discovery channel had programs about dangerous jobs in
Alaska and one was Bush Pilot. Some interesting videos there as well.
Rex
Colorado
M2/582 - wing under repair
dave wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I added a link here http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/ for you tube as
> well.
> resolution is not as good and it smaller but hopefully if any had
> troubles viewing before like Lynn ,
> this might help.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater Questions |
No, much better. You can't have heat inside unless you can keep it in. You remove
the cowls, get some plastic, I used the stuff you buy for your home windows,
it comes in a roll and has a backing, thick stuff. Next you wrap between
the windscreen and the firewall, I taped mine at the edges with clear duct tape
and then use a razor blade and x'd the openings for the cam locks, sealed all
the air leaks I was getting. Then you put the cowls back on, nobody can see
the plastic, but you know it's there.
--------
kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Gloves for Poly |
I have been using the Blue Nitrile gloves while covering mine. They hold up well
unless you go straight MEK, but no reason for that. They have held up to poly
tac and poly brush so far, with a bit of acetone here and there.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my heat system has the
risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the right side of the radiator,
and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right in through the hole for
the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had spring gear I had the bungee gear,
guess what, the holes in the floor where open, guess what else, in the summer
time I had to close that area up as much as possible, why because I would get
a bunch of heat from the radiator and would push up through the floor. Now
you can't tell me with your concern that you now should have a concern for co
entering your airplane, I saw your video and you have spring gear. Also, the
old spring gear had a problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center
of the plane to the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem,
I can see it hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the bungees.
I would be concerned for your situation when it comes to the exhaust as
well. [Wink]
--------
kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-CDXY |
David,
Very nice! congratulations.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Steade" <david.steade@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: First Flight G-CDXY
Just to let everyone know I finally flew my Mk 7 on Saturday 9th December
after 3 1/2 years construction.
Here are some of the details.
100hp Rotax engine
VP 50 in flight variable pitch propeller
830 lbs empty
Take off run about 200 Yards
Rate of climb 1 up 1/3rd fuel 1200 fpm
Rate of climb 2 up 1/2 fuel 900 fpm
Cruise 60 to 70% power 90 knots (4800 rpm at 26 inches manifold)
Max straight and level 102 knots
3 flights total 2 hours
No adjustments needed
Elevator trim very powerful almost no rudder required at any cruise speed.
Much better than I hoped and a lot different to the Mk3 I had previously.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Dave,
thanks for posting the video, I always wondered what a slip to landing looked like
in the fox. Now I know, it looks real cool 8) . I myself do it all the time
and have had people say it looked real cool. But, I never saw it myself.
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kitfoxmike
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I have a piece of alum bent at about 90 deg in front on bungees to deflect,
fumes heat etc and protect the bungees from the same.
I have a scoop on backside of rad and it works gear -- no fumes but Carbon
monoxide it odourless.
Heat Muff on muffler is the best heat aquiring mod you can make in my
findings. Although a fellow on this list Jim from Belle River Ontario that
I have met a few times at flyins has a oil cooler plumbed in his coolant I
think and he says it works great . It is mounted over top of runner pedals .
He could probably tell you better on the performance of it. He has little
fans on it too. BTW His Kitfox IV is "pristine" and with 912 weighs at
about 600 lbs- so you know it a rocket !
I have very minimal airleaks as I have sealed up some like you have.
What dave are you talking to ? >> I saw your video and you have spring
gear. <<
Too many Daves LOL
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my heat system
> has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the right side of
> the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right in through
> the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had spring gear I
> had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the floor where open, guess
> what else, in the summer time I had to close that area up as much as
> possible, why because I would get a bunch of heat from the radiator and
> would push up through the floor. Now you can't tell me with your concern
> that you now should have a concern for co entering your airplane, I saw
> your video and you have spring gear. Also, the old spring gear had a
> problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center of the plane to
> the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem, I can see it
> hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the bungees. I
> would be concerned for your situation when i!
> t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p756#80756
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gloves for Poly |
A followup on my post...the gloves I used were latex #8430 from Impact
Products LLC...www.impact-products.com.
Lynn
On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 10:17 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
> I have been using the Blue Nitrile gloves while covering mine. They
> hold up well unless you go straight MEK, but no reason for that. They
> have held up to poly tac and poly brush so far, with a bit of acetone
> here and there.
>
> --------
> Leni
> Avid C W/582
> 1260 full lotus
>
> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p755#80755
>
>
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Maybe Dave did what I did...I covered the bungee holes while I was
covering my plane, because I had already made up my mind to go spring
gear.
Lynn
On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 10:17 AM, kitfoxmike wrote:
>
> Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my heat
> system has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the
> right side of the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it
> right in through the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before
> I had spring gear I had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the
> floor where open, guess what else, in the summer time I had to close
> that area up as much as possible, why because I would get a bunch of
> heat from the radiator and would push up through the floor. Now you
> can't tell me with your concern that you now should have a concern for
> co entering your airplane, I saw your video and you have spring gear.
> Also, the old spring gear had a problem from exhaust hitting the leg
> going from the center of the plane to the wheel, that's what caused
> most of that gears problem, I can see it hitting the leg and shooting
> up into the little hole for the bungees. I would be concerned for
> your situation when i!
> t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p756#80756
>
>
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I guess I was refering to Dave with the ski video. Yup, to many Dave's.
I would say the best thing to do is invest in a co meter, than you don't have to
guess about it.
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kitfoxmike
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I am the Ski video guy but I have tube gear ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> I guess I was refering to Dave with the ski video. Yup, to many Dave's.
> I would say the best thing to do is invest in a co meter, than you don't
> have to guess about it.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p813#80813
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Dave,
Could you publish some pictures of your heat muff installation? Also, anyone
else who has used similar technique with a 582 exhaust system.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
I have a piece of alum bent at about 90 deg in front on bungees to deflect,
fumes heat etc and protect the bungees from the same.
I have a scoop on backside of rad and it works gear -- no fumes but Carbon
monoxide it odourless.
Heat Muff on muffler is the best heat aquiring mod you can make in my
findings. Although a fellow on this list Jim from Belle River Ontario that
I have met a few times at flyins has a oil cooler plumbed in his coolant I
think and he says it works great . It is mounted over top of runner pedals .
He could probably tell you better on the performance of it. He has little
fans on it too. BTW His Kitfox IV is "pristine" and with 912 weighs at
about 600 lbs- so you know it a rocket !
I have very minimal airleaks as I have sealed up some like you have.
What dave are you talking to ? >> I saw your video and you have spring
gear. <<
Too many Daves LOL
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike"
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my heat system
> has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the right side of
> the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right in through
> the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had spring gear I
> had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the floor where open, guess
> what else, in the summer time I had to close that area up as much as
> possible, why because I would get a bunch of heat from the radiator and
> would push up through the floor. Now you can't tell me with your concern
> that you now should have a concern for co entering your airplane, I saw
> your video and you have spring gear. Also, the old spring gear had a
> problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center of the plane to
> the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem, I can see it
> hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the bungees. I
> would be concerned for your situation when i!
> t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p756#80756
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Cabin Heater Questions |
Nick,
In response to your earlier question about cabin heat, I installed a heater
core with a fan controlled by an automotive water shutoff valve in my 912ul
Model IV-1200. It works good as long as you keep your CHT's around 200
degrees, and keep the cabin well sealed. I don't have any photos convenient
but would be happy to take some if you'd like to see more of the
installation.
BUT if it were me, I'd utilize the carb heat muff before going through all
the bother with the heater core setup. It would be easier to do, less
expensive, lighter, and most likely provide even better heat than the heater
core setup. But I doubt using the carb heat system as it is (by letting the
hot air just rise up into a scat tube that would go to the cabin) would
provide very little heat. So here's what I think one needs to do to create a
very good heat system using just the existing carb heat muff;
I haven't done it yet on my airplane (I too have the removed carb heat setup
you do), but my plan is to use the old carb heat muff off the left front
exhaust header by attaching a scat tube to the top of it and then attaching
it near the gearbox inside the cowl so it gets a direct prop blast of
pressurized air. I'd then fabricate from a piece of aluminum or stainless a
four or five inch extension to the bottom of the muff, with a round outlet
on it to attach a piece of scat tubing that will then go to a controllable
firewall heater air valve. End result, a simple, light, inexpensive cabin
heat system that is controllable from the instrument panel. I'm confident
this setup will provide very good heat, as a Rans I fly has a similar setup
and it gets very warm. The exhaust temps coming right off that cylinder
head should be nice and toasty. Plus, with no welds anywhere in the area,
there is much less risk of exhaust fumes in the cabin. BTW, don't forget to
stuff the heat muff with some good stainless or brass scouring pads. They
retain heat and slow down the air movement, providing significantly more
heat than a system without any.
If after that I find that I need (or maybe just want) even more cabin heat,
I would then make a heat muff to fit around my muffler, and connect the carb
heat muff scat tube to that. Then run two short scat tubes to airboxes on
the firewall (so you now have two controllable heat vents. Your wife will
love it....) You will probably want to play with scouring pad use in this
system, as you shouldn't slow down the air so much that you cause excessive
exhaust pipe temps. (I'm going to guess you could just remove the pads from
the header pipe muff, but keeping them in the muffler muff. You will
essentially have preheated air entering the muffler, and being heated again
before entering the cabin). This double heat muff system should allow you
to fly in the coldest of conditions.
And then if all else fails, install that heater core system as well for a
"three heat system". But bear in mind, should your heater ever fail in a
full heat mode, you had better be ready to fly home naked :-) You will
have one hot cabin!
I've attached a quick drawing I did that should make this all more
understandable, hopefully.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
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Ooops, I had spring on the brain. everywhere I put spring gear twards the end
of the message, replace with tubegear. I meant to say the tube gear will have
problems with the exhaust going up the bungee's and you have the tube gear. :?
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heater Questions |
I thought the same idea, but instead of pulling air from the outside, plumb air
from the inside and put a little fan from a computer into the hose to bring you
air, that way it can get hot faster and better. just my thought on the inlet
air.
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| Subject: | Fluff and DO NOT ARCHIVE |
Hey fellows --- its not even new years and we're getting into bad habits
already ---- How about a few "DO NOT ARCHIVE" on some of the fluff --- Like
way to go -- Congratulations etc.
Some members are good at Do NOT ARCHIVE but some are terrible. Let's try
clean up the archives a bit so that when we go back to look for info all
that crap is not in the archive files.
Okay fire away!!!
Cheers and Merry Christmas --- Ted
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Awesome video Dave! Lots of snow to play in. I can tell you've done a bit
of ski flying in your day...
Paul Seehafer
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on Saturday.
> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
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| Subject: | Re: New - SKI FLYING Video |
Hi Paul,
Appreciate the kind words and really glad you enjoyed the videos. I just
checked the site and it been downloaded 349 times in 2 days now . I have
had numberous mails as well thanking me and all I have to say is your are
all welcome !!
I wish everyone would put up videos for us to all enjoy.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
> Awesome video Dave! Lots of snow to play in. I can tell you've done a
> bit of ski flying in your day...
>
> Paul Seehafer
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New - SKI FLYING Video
>
>
> Ok guys got about 10 mins of Ski flying for you guys done on Saturday.
>> Snow could all melt any day now LOL .
> ...............................
>
>
>
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