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1. 01:28 AM - Headroom (Rex Shaw)
2. 01:51 AM - Facet Fuel Pump (Rex Shaw)
3. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: Heater as requested (Dave G.)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades (Don Smythe)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: fluff: world's smallest twin engine airplane (W Duke)
6. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: Vixen: Fuel Gauge Leak.. and Clear Fuel Line Recommendation (W Duke)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: Model 4 headroom clearance (Guy Buchanan)
8. 08:11 AM - Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades (Guy Buchanan)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: gross weight ()
10. 08:32 AM - Re: gross weight (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:45 AM - Re: Model 4 headroom clearance (kitfoxmike)
12. 11:11 AM - Dear Abby (jim)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades (Marco Menezes)
14. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Heater as requested (Marco Menezes)
15. 12:19 PM - Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades (Don Smythe)
16. 12:24 PM - Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades (Don Smythe)
17. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Heater as requested (dave)
18. 02:19 PM - spar mounting brackets (Dave G.)
19. 02:22 PM - Levers on console Mod V on (Dave G.)
20. 02:55 PM - Re: Levers on console Mod V on (Ben Baltrusaitis)
21. 03:40 PM - Re: spar mounting brackets (Alan Daniels)
22. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Heater as requested (Lynn Matteson)
23. 04:41 PM - Re: Dear Abby (kirk hull)
24. 06:44 PM - Re: Dear Abby (ron schick)
25. 08:10 PM - Re: Facet Fuel Pump (A Smith)
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I am considering purchase of a model 4 in need of some work. My concern
is
there seemed to be very little, perhaps only one half inch, of clearance
between my head and the primary structure directly above. I am 5=928
=BD=92=92 tall
(a giant by no means). It seemed like a little turbulence could be a
problem with head banging. The gentleman who owns the aircraft is a
couple
of inches shorter than I, so it could have been a non-issue. I did not
see
any extra padding under the stock seats pads. Ideas, comments, or
design
information appreciated.
John,
I have a Model IV and am 6'2" and I can't remember hitting my
head yet.
Rex.
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I've just ordered a HacMan unit from Greensky Adventures and a Facet
fuel pump
from ACS (as back-up to Mikuni pump). Does anyone have advice on
installation,
operation of these units in context of Rotax 582-90 fuel system?
A plumbing diagram for the Facet as a back-up would be really useful.
Thanks
in advance.
Just keep in mind with pumps in series, pressures are additive. Can your
needle valves handle this if you do this ?
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Heater as requested |
I took a ride in an old Luscomb last winter and in that you had a choice
between cabin heat and carb heat. COLD landings!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater as requested
Hi Marco, Sorry I was lazy and just stuck a camera in the cowl.
but here you go http://www.cfisher.com/heatmuff/
Hope that helps you and yes that is carsb heat that works too.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
Dave,
Could you publish some pictures of your heat muff installation?
Also, anyone else who has used similar technique with a 582 exhaust
system.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
I have a piece of alum bent at about 90 deg in front on bungees to
deflect,
fumes heat etc and protect the bungees from the same.
I have a scoop on backside of rad and it works gear -- no fumes
but Carbon
monoxide it odourless.
Heat Muff on muffler is the best heat aquiring mod you can make in
my
findings. Although a fellow on this list Jim from Belle River
Ontario that
I have met a few times at flyins has a oil cooler plumbed in his
coolant I
think and he says it works great . It is mounted over top of
runner pedals .
He could probably tell you better on the performance of it. He has
little
fans on it too. BTW His Kitfox IV is "pristine" and with 912
weighs at
about 600 lbs- so you know it a rocket !
I have very minimal airleaks as I have sealed up some like you
have.
What dave are you talking to ? >> I saw your video and you have
spring
gear. <<
Too many Daves LOL
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my
heat system
> has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the
right side of
> the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right in
through
> the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had spring
gear I
> had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the floor where
open, guess
> what else, in the summer time I had to close that area up as
much as
> possible, why because I would get a bunch of heat from the
radiator and
> would push up through the floor. Now you can't tell me with your
concern
> that you now should have a concern for co entering your
airplane, I saw
> your video and you have spring gear. Also, the old spring gear
had a
> problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center of
the plane to
> the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem, I can
see it
> hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the
bungees. I
> would be concerned for your situation when i!
> t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
>
>
> Read
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades |
MessageSee drawing if this is what you are saying about check valves on
each pump. This might help in the case of a ruptured pulse line but
would not do you any good with a ruptured diaphragm in the Mik pump.
Follow the dark fuel line from the header to the crankcase. Raw fuel
will pass straight to the crankcase with a ruptured Mik. You would have
to isolate the input to the Mik but would probably be too late after
discovery.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Advice on fuel system upgrades
One way valves ( out) on both pumps and then plumb them in parallel.
Takes care of all the problems you stated.
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| Subject: | Re: fluff: world's smallest twin engine airplane |
This guy has 2 model airplane turbines on his. How cool is that for logging some
multiengine jet time.
http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html
Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
And if you want to find out more about this amazing little plane, go to the
web-site shown on the clip, www.flight.cz/cricri.
Clem Nichols
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Crowder"
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: fluff: world's smallest twin engine airplane
>
> Hey guys. Check out the link below. I don't know how he got himself into
> the plane and boy could it fly.
>
> Jim Crowder
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Vixen: Fuel Gauge Leak.. and Clear Fuel Line Recommendation |
Thanks,
If I remember the recomendation was to inspect every 500 hours of operation.
I was thinking that by the time I remove the engine to inspect that I would
just go ahead and have the thing rebuilt. But the cost is pretty steep. I
have also considered the possibility of working out some sort of belt drive auto
alternator on the front of the engine. I guess I will keep my fingers crossed
until inspection time.
Thanks again,
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
FlyboyTR <flyboytr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Maxwell,
My IO-240 had approximately 260 hours. My rebuilt alternator drive coupling arrived
yesterday...plan to install today and hopefully have the engine back on the
frame before I leave the airport.
Travis
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen
N-789DF
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 headroom clearance |
At 01:09 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote:
>My concern is there seemed to be very little, perhaps only one half inch,
>of clearance between my head and the primary structure directly above. I
>am 58 tall (a giant by no means). It seemed like a little turbulence
>could be a problem with head banging.
I'm a little over 6' and I only occasionally bang my head on the skylight.
(Mind you this was "extreme" turbulence.) In normal flight I keep my lap
belt tight and have no problems. I have also put tubing insulation on a
couple of the internal struts so I don't even notice those bumps. Note that
I wear a headset and have 3" seat padding too. At 5' 8" you should have no
problem.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades |
At 04:33 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote:
>Still not good. Are there any new opinions on this possible situation?
I had a friend at the airport once claim that he had repeatedly suffered
vapor lock in his fuel system in a 582 K-IV. He installed a Facet in series
to cure it. His was the only occurrence of 582 vapor lock I could find.
I'm torn on the question of single-failure-tolerance. The only thing in a
typical 582 installation that's single failure tolerant is the ignition
system, and even that relies on a "single" stator for excitation. You could
call the carbs and cylinders redundant, but you're not going to get very
far on one cylinder. Everything else: gearbox, crank, bearings, rotary
valve, cooling, oil injection, exhaust, charging, and finally fuel pump, is
catastrophic. Realistically, if you demand single-failure-tolerance you
have to fly behind a well designed twin. Otherwise you are relying on
component and system reliability. We foolish pilots typically only demand
redundancy for components that have a history of failing. The Mikuni pump
appears to have a failure rate at least as good as the rest of the 582,
which I grant you isn't saying much.
I guess the ideal replacement might be to get rid of the Mikuni and go to
dual Facet's in series. Unfortunately that adds so much system complexity
over the Mikuni that I hesitate to declare it significantly better. (Four
connections, two check valves, two pumps, two electrical supplies, two
switches, electrical requirement, two fuses, probably a fuel pressure gauge
with all the attendant plumbing, manual operation including the possibility
of flooding or forgetting to turn one on. You get the idea.) I decided that
I would meticulously over-maintain the Mikuni and rely on its simplicity
and autonomy for reliability.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: gross weight |
Kirk asked:
> I was thinking about testing for a gross weight of 1250 and was
> wandering if anybody has had problems operating over 1200?
I told the FAA my Model IV-1200 Speedster had a maximum gross weight of 1232 and
they never questioned it. The insurance company didn't question it after my
accident, either (and yes, they checked all my documentation carefully). The
examiner does have considerable discretion, though, so your mileage may vary.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: gross weight |
I've got 'em all (speedster mods) including the short wings, and I flew
16 lbs over (full gas and a heavy friend : )), and there was no
problem...a bit longer TO roll, but no problem. DISCLAIMER: As I often
leave my house unlocked, and my computer on, anybody could have written
this...that's for the FAA in case they're listening/lurking. : )
Lynn
p.s. Jabiru 85 horse engine with cruise prop
On Tuesday, December 12, 2006, at 10:53 PM, kirk hull wrote:
> I am flying a classic 4 with a suberu engine and all of the speedster
> mods except the shorter wing. I was thinking about testing for a gross
> weight of 1250 and was wandering if anybody has had problems operating
> over 1200?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 headroom clearance |
My suggestion is to take a picture of what you have and post it so we can try and
figure out what is not normal on your fox. I have the model 4 with 4 inches
on the bottom seating for my short self, just under 5'8" and I have plenty of
head room.
--------
kitfoxmike
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Dear Abby, I've never written to you before, but I really need your
advice on what could be a crucial decision. I've suspected for some time
now that my wife has been cheating on me. The usual signs... phone rings
but if I answer, the caller hangs up. My wife has been going out with
the girls a lot recently although when I ask their names she always
says, "Just some friends from work, you don't know them." I always stay
awake to look out for her taxi coming home, but she always walks down
the drive. Although I can hear a car driving off, as if she has gotten
out of the car round the corner. Why? Maybe she wasn't in a taxi? I once
picked her cell phone up just to see what time it was and she went
berserk and screamed that I should never touch her phone again and why
was I checking up on her. Anyway, I have never approached the subject
with my wife. I think deep down I just didn't want to know the truth,
but last night she went out again and I decided to really check on her.
I decided to park my Kitfox trailer next to the garage and then hide
behind it so I could get a good view of the whole street when she came
home. It was at that dreadful moment, crouching behind my plane, that I
noticed a large area of de-lamination of poly-fiber on my lower
elevator. Is this something I can fix myself with my Technical Counselor
or should I take it to a A&P?
Thanks, Jim
Happy Holidays
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades |
My bad Don. I checked the archives after posting my question. That discussion ended
pretty much as it began, i.e., with different opinions on parallel backup
vs series backup vs no backup at all. For me, the most relevant conclusion was
that the Mikuni pump is probably the most reliable item forward of the firewall
so why back it up? Just check it frequently and rebuild it annually. So I'm
sending the Facet back, trading it for a Mikuni rebuild kit.
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Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
We had a discussion long time ago about the Facet Backup on a 582.
About the only thing that can go wrong with the standard Rotax pulse pump is 1.
The pulse line ruptures causing the pump to become inoperative. 2. The internal
diagram of the pump ruptures causing the pump to stop pumping. In the case
of #2, if you turn on the backup Facet, the fuel will be pumped into the Rotax
pump and then through the ruptured diaphragm and into the crankcase. In this
case, a backup will do you no good what-so-ever. In the case of #1, if you
turn on the backup, the fuel will also be pumped out the ruptured pulse line
and all over the engine. Still not good. Are there any new opinions on this
possible situation?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Advice on fuel system upgrades
Listers:
I've just ordered a HacMan unit from Greensky Adventures and a Facet fuel pump
from ACS (as back-up to Mikuni pump). Does anyone have advice on installation,
operation of these units in context of Rotax 582-90 fuel system?
A plumbing diagram for the Facet as a back-up would be really useful. Thanks
in advance.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Heater as requested |
Thanks Dave. That's about what I saw in my "mind's eye" when you described it.
One question: How do you shut it off in the Summer?
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote: Hi Marco, Sorry I was lazy and just stuck
a camera in the cowl.
but here you go http://www.cfisher.com/heatmuff/
Hope that helps you and yes that is carsb heat that works too.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
Dave,
Could you publish some pictures of your heat muff installation? Also, anyone
else who has used similar technique with a 582 exhaust system.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
I have a piece of alum bent at about 90 deg in front on bungees to deflect,
fumes heat etc and protect the bungees from the same.
I have a scoop on backside of rad and it works gear -- no fumes but Carbon
monoxide it odourless.
Heat Muff on muffler is the best heat aquiring mod you can make in my
findings. Although a fellow on this list Jim from Belle River Ontario that
I have met a few times at flyins has a oil cooler plumbed in his coolant I
think and he says it works great . It is mounted over top of runner pedals .
He could probably tell you better on the performance of it. He has little
fans on it too. BTW His Kitfox IV is "pristine" and with 912 weighs at
about 600 lbs- so you know it a rocket !
I have very minimal airleaks as I have sealed up some like you have.
What dave are you talking to ? >> I saw your video and you have spring
gear. <<
Too many Daves LOL
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike"
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my heat system
> has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the right side of
> the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right in through
> the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had spring gear I
> had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the floor where open, guess
> what else, in the summer time I had to close that area up as much as
> possible, why because I would get a bunch of heat from the radiator and
> would push up through the floor. Now you can't tell me with your concern
> that you now should have a concern for co entering your airplane, I saw
> your video and you have spring gear. Also, the old spring gear had a
> problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center of the plane to
> the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem, I can see it
> hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the bungees. I
> would be concerned for your situation when i!
> t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades |
Guy,
See below
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Advice on fuel system upgrades
> I had a friend at the airport once claim that he had repeatedly suffered
> vapor lock in his fuel system in a 582 K-IV. He installed a Facet in
> series to cure it. His was the only occurrence of 582 vapor lock I could
> find.
I would suspect the plumbing might have been the root of his vapor lock
problem. i.e. continiously down hill, high loops, etc. I've heard of
installing a Facet pump other than right near the header can in itself cause
vapor lock. This happen to Michael Harter a few years back (Suburu). He
had to relocate the Facet from the firewall back to the header.
>. The Mikuni pump appears to have a failure rate at least as good as the
>rest of the 582, which I grant you isn't saying much.
I do not remember hearing about a single Mik pump failure in the last 10
years on the list. However, I'm sure there must have been one I just missed
it. Also, I can only recall a couple 582's that went down due to engine
failure and both that I recall were pilot/builder error.
>I decided that I would meticulously over-maintain the Mikuni and rely on
>its simplicity and autonomy for reliability.
I replace my Mik ever other year. I've heard in several circles that
purchasing a new one is preferred to rebuilding. Don't know.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Advice on fuel system upgrades |
Sounds like a fair conclusion to me. The only thing I would question is
rebuilding the pump. For some reason and I don't know why, several
Rotax articles I've read have suggested replacing with a new pump over
rebuilding??? They are after all, fairly inexpensive.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
it annually. So I'm sending the Facet back, trading it for a Mikuni
rebuild kit.
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| Subject: | Re: Heater as requested |
Take the hoses off. And put cover the inlets to cabin.
No needs for all those fancy cables and knobs. they only extra weight.
:)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater as requested
Thanks Dave. That's about what I saw in my "mind's eye" when you
described it. One question: How do you shut it off in the Summer?
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Hi Marco, Sorry I was lazy and just stuck a camera in the cowl.
but here you go http://www.cfisher.com/heatmuff/
Hope that helps you and yes that is carsb heat that works too.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
Dave,
Could you publish some pictures of your heat muff installation?
Also, anyone else who has used similar technique with a 582 exhaust
system.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
I have a piece of alum bent at about 90 deg in front on bungees
to deflect,
fumes heat etc and protect the bungees from the same.
I have a scoop on backside of rad and it works gear -- no fumes
but Carbon
monoxide it odourless.
Heat Muff on muffler is the best heat aquiring mod you can make
in my
findings. Although a fellow on this list Jim from Belle River
Ontario that
I have met a few times at flyins has a oil cooler plumbed in his
coolant I
think and he says it works great . It is mounted over top of
runner pedals .
He could probably tell you better on the performance of it. He
has little
fans on it too. BTW His Kitfox IV is "pristine" and with 912
weighs at
about 600 lbs- so you know it a rocket !
I have very minimal airleaks as I have sealed up some like you
have.
What dave are you talking to ? >> I saw your video and you have
spring
gear. <<
Too many Daves LOL
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my
heat system
> has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the
right side of
> the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right
in through
> the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had
spring gear I
> had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the floor where
open, guess
> what else, in the summer time I had to close that area up as
much as
> possible, why because I would get a bunch of heat from the
radiator and
> would push up through the floor. Now you can't tell me with
your concern
> that you now should have a concern for co entering your
airplane, I saw
> your video and you have spring gear. Also, the old spring gear
had a
> problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center of
the plane to
> the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem, I
can see it
> hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the
bungees. I
> would be concerned for your situation when i!
> t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
>
>
>
>
> Read
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| Subject: | spar mounting brackets |
I'm sure many of you have seen the ads for those tubular inserts for the
spars, meant to replace the strips that get riveted and glued into the
roots. Has anyone used these, or have an opinion (I'm sure many have
opinions)? Sportplane/kitfox has many accessories but do not list these.
They can be seen with the kitfox accessories on Blue Sky site:
http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
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| Subject: | Levers on console Mod V on |
I've seen two levers in the later models of Kitfox one on each side
forward of the flap lever. What are they for?
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| Subject: | Re: Levers on console Mod V on |
Adjustable rudder pedals.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 12/13/2006 5:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Levers on console Mod V on
I've seen two levers in the later models of Kitfox one on each side
forward of the flap lever. What are they for?
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| Subject: | Re: spar mounting brackets |
IMHO the spar insert is a great repair item, but if the doublers are
installed and reamed per kit instructions they work great. I have seen
were a Kitfox did an forced landing and hit a tree with a wing, tearing
out the front attach point. It pulled the pin through the spar and
doublers, but it also BROKE the carry through tube in the center
cluster. The tube was welded up and an insert riveted in and he was back
flying. The insert is also a good repair if the hole was drilled and
the hole starts to wobble out, or if you goof up and put the hole in the
wrong spot.
Dave G. wrote:
> I'm sure many of you have seen the ads for those tubular inserts for
> the spars, meant to replace the strips that get riveted and glued into
> the roots. Has anyone used these, or have an opinion (I'm sure many
> have opinions)? Sportplane/kitfox has many accessories but do not list
> these. They can be seen with the kitfox accessories on Blue Sky site:
> http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
>
>
>
> Do not archive
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Heater as requested |
Not me, Dave..I'm a cable and knob kind of guy...I like being able to
pull on some heat when these old bones get chilly, and pull on some
vent when it gets warm out. Besides, all those knobs impress the
ladies. : )
Lynn
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On Wednesday, December 13, 2006, at 03:25 PM, dave wrote:
> Take the hoses off. And put cover the inlets to cabin.
>
> No needs for all those fancy cables and knobs. they only extra
> weight. :)
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco Menezes
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater as requested
>
> Thanks Dave. That's about what I saw in my "mind's eye" when you
> described it. One question: How do you shut it off in the Summer?
>
> dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Marco, Sorry I was lazy and just stuck a camera in the cowl.
> but here you go http://www.cfisher.com/heatmuff/
>
> Hope that helps you and yes that is carsb heat that works too.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco Menezes
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
> Dave,
>
> Could you publish some pictures of your heat muff installation? Also,
> anyone else who has used similar technique with a582 exhaust system.
>
> dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have a piece of alum bent at about 90 deg in front on bungees to
> deflect,
> fumes heat etc and protect the bungees from the same.
>
> I have a scoop on backside of rad and it works gear -- no fumes but
> Carbon
> monoxide it odourless.
>
> Heat Muff on muffler is the best heat aquiring mod you can make in my
> findings. Although a fellow on this list Jim from Belle River Ontario
> that
> I have met a few times at flyins has a oil cooler plumbed in his
> coolant I
> think and he says it works great . It is mounted over top of runner
> pedals .
> He could probably tell you better on the performance of it. He has
> little
> fans on it too. BTW His Kitfox IV is "pristine" and with 912 weighs at
> about 600 lbs- so you know it a rocket !
>
> I have very minimal airleaks as I have sealed up some like you have.
>
> What dave are you talking to ? >> I saw your video and you have spring
> gear. <<
>
> Too many Daves LOL
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kitfoxmike"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:17 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Heater
>
>
> >
> > Ok Dave you asked for it [Twisted Evil] , now you say that my heat
> system
> > has the risk of co in the cabin, first off it pulls from the right
> side of
> > the radiator, and only the right 4 inches. I channel it right in
> through
> > the hole for the bungee's in the floor. Now, before I had spring
> gear I
> > had the bungee gear, guess what, the holes in the floor where open,
> guess
> > what else, in the summer time I had to close that area up as much as
> > possible, why because I would get a bunch of heat from the radiator
> and
> > would push up through the floor. Now you can't tell me with your
> concern
> > that you now should have a concern for co entering your airplane, I
> saw
> > your video and you have spring gear. Also, the old spring gear had a
> > problem from exhaust hitting the leg going from the center of the
> plane to
> > the wheel, that's what caused most of that gears problem, I can see
> it
> > hitting the leg and shooting up into the little hole for the
> bungees. I
> > would be concerned for your situation when i!
> > t comes to the exhaust as well. [Wink]
> >
> > --------
> > kitfoxmike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read
>
> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>
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The elevator is the perfect part to learn how to cover on. Anyone familiar
with fabric could walk you through it in no time.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Dear Abby
Dear Abby, I've never written to you before, but I really need your
advice on what could be a crucial decision. I've suspected for some time
now that my wife has been cheating on me. The usual signs... phone rings
but if I answer, the caller hangs up. My wife has been going out with
the girls a lot recently although when I ask their names she always
says, "Just some friends from work, you don't know them." I always stay
awake to look out for her taxi coming home, but she always walks down
the drive. Although I can hear a car driving off, as if she has gotten
out of the car round the corner. Why? Maybe she wasn't in a taxi? I once
picked her cell phone up just to see what time it was and she went
berserk and screamed that I should never touch her phone again and why
was I checking up on her. Anyway, I have never approached the subject
with my wife. I think deep down I just didn't want to know the truth,
but last night she went out again and I decided to really check on her.
I decided to park my Kitfox trailer next to the garage and then hide
behind it so I could get a good view of the whole street when she came
home. It was at that dreadful moment, crouching behind my plane, that I
noticed a large area of de-lamination of poly-fiber on my lower
elevator. Is this something I can fix myself with my Technical Counselor
or should I take it to a A&P?
Thanks, Jim
Happy Holidays
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Jim I would probably look for a counselor who could help with the repairs.
You are obviously not spending enough time with your plane if you noticed
the wife cheating. do not archive
Ron NB Ore
>From: jim <jimrody@WI.RR.COM>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Dear Abby
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:10:35 -0600
>
>
>Dear Abby, I've never written to you before, but I really need your advice
>on what could be a crucial decision. I've suspected for some time now that
>my wife has been cheating on me. The usual signs... phone rings but if I
>answer, the caller hangs up. My wife has been going out with the girls a
>lot recently although when I ask their names she always says, "Just some
>friends from work, you don't know them." I always stay awake to look out
>for her taxi coming home, but she always walks down the drive. Although I
>can hear a car driving off, as if she has gotten out of the car round the
>corner. Why? Maybe she wasn't in a taxi? I once picked her cell phone up
>just to see what time it was and she went berserk and screamed that I
>should never touch her phone again and why was I checking up on her.
>Anyway, I have never approached the subject with my wife. I think deep down
>I just didn't want to know the truth, but last night she went out again and
>I decided to really check on her. I decided to park my Kitfox trailer next
>to the garage and then hide behind it so I could get a good view of the
>whole street when she came home. It was at that dreadful moment, crouching
>behind my plane, that I noticed a large area of de-lamination of poly-fiber
>on my lower elevator. Is this something I can fix myself with my Technical
>Counselor or should I take it to a A&P?
>
>Thanks, Jim
>
>Happy Holidays
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Facet Fuel Pump |
I run 2 Facet pumps in series. I only run 1 at a time though. They seem
to flow through just fine. These are for an NSI powerplant.
Albert Smith
NSI and mod 5
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