---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/16/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby (Noel Loveys) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby (john perry) 3. 06:41 AM - Re: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby (Noel Loveys) 4. 08:53 AM - Her critical spot (Michel Verheughe) 5. 09:30 AM - Please no more Dear Abby (Don Pearsall) 6. 10:59 AM - Re: Please no more Dear Abby (Michel Verheughe) 7. 12:38 PM - Test (Clint Bazzill) 8. 12:46 PM - Plain Text (Clint Bazzill) 9. 12:53 PM - Vixen Information (RRTRACK@aol.com) 10. 01:32 PM - Re: Vixen Information (Fox5flyer) 11. 01:50 PM - Re: Vixen Information (Alan Daniels) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:34 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby Displaced from where?? Alaska, NWT, Greenland.... Do not archive Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > john perry > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:31 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Dear Abby > > > > Okie heck i'm a displaced eskimo. Did i get it ? what did I > miss ? LMAO. > Yep pretty funny to think he did not get it that we got it . > > Take care > Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly Kitfox or something else lol > John Perry > Kitfox 2 N718PD > 582 c box > Hot pink IVO inflight > TD / Straight Floats > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > uhhhhh... who did not get it ????? I think they were dripping with > > sarcasm...But I could be wrong... eskflyer is an okie now lmao.. > > > > -------- > > Leni > > Avid C W/582 > > 1260 full lotus > > > > .......DO NOT ARCHIVE..... > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:10 AM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby Noel I am from the big ALASKA . Born and raised there ,moved to America . Take care fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly Kitfox or that other thing think its called a avid lol . Happy Holidays Merry CHRISTMAS John Perry DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby > > Displaced from where?? Alaska, NWT, Greenland.... > Do not archive > > Noel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> john perry >> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:31 AM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Dear Abby >> >> >> >> Okie heck i'm a displaced eskimo. Did i get it ? what did I >> miss ? LMAO. >> Yep pretty funny to think he did not get it that we got it . >> >> Take care >> Fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly Kitfox or something else lol >> John Perry >> Kitfox 2 N718PD >> 582 c box >> Hot pink IVO inflight >> TD / Straight Floats >> >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> > uhhhhh... who did not get it ????? I think they were dripping with >> > sarcasm...But I could be wrong... eskflyer is an okie now lmao.. >> > >> > -------- >> > Leni >> > Avid C W/582 >> > 1260 full lotus >> > >> > .......DO NOT ARCHIVE..... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:15 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby I spent some time in Labrador several years ago. At one time or the other I've been hitch hikes ( by bush plane) most of the Labrador populated area. Oh yes... "Beothuck Explorer" is a Kitfox III-A ( discussion on that one ) 582 grey W/ "B" box swinging an Ivo UL in flight adj... All mounted on Aerocet 1100 straight floats. Noel Merry Christmas! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > john perry > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:18 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Off Topic Dear Abby > > > > Noel > I am from the big ALASKA . Born and raised there ,moved to America . > Take care fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly Kitfox or > that other thing > think its called a avid lol . > > Happy Holidays Merry CHRISTMAS > John Perry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:33 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Her critical spot Dear Abby, Here is a question I have always wondered about but never dared to ask. My loved one and I have a beautiful, sensual relationship. Yet, each time I take her close to the G-point ... err, sorry, the stall point, prior to mush down with pleasure, she gives me a faint noise that sounds like the fabric cracking on her wings or fuselage. Is this normal? Yours truly, Michel ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:19 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: Kitfox-List: Please no more Dear Abby After the recent spate of complaints about off-topic posts, let's not get too far into risqu or humorous posts. I personally think these are funny, but remember the KF list rules. I am sure there are members out there who do not appreciate the humor. Back to discussing Kitfoxes in a non-humorous way please Don (Grinch) Pearsall - List Admin -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Her critical spot Dear Abby, Here is a question I have always wondered about but never dared to ask. My loved one and I have a beautiful, sensual relationship. Yet, each time I take her close to the G-point ... err, sorry, the stall point, prior to mush down with pleasure, she gives me a faint noise that sounds like the fabric cracking on her wings or fuselage. Is this normal? Yours truly, Michel ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:38 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Please no more Dear Abby On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Don Pearsall wrote: > After the recent spate of complaints about off-topic posts, let's not > get > too far into risqu or humorous posts. I am sorry, Don, I won't do it again. Here is the question in a serious way: Is it normal to hear a sharp noise sounding like a tear in the fabric when stalling. Thanks in avance, Michel ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:10 PM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Subject: Kitfox-List: Test Test for plain text. _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version.Join now. http://ideas.live.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:29 PM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Subject: Kitfox-List: Plain Text Test _________________________________________________________________ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:11 PM PST US From: RRTRACK@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Vixen Information I have just purchased a Kitfox Vixen ( HCY-012 ) and would like to talk with any early Vixen owners/builders. This Kitfox has the long ( 32' ) wings and the wide ( 7' 11" ) elevator. And the wings are swept forward 1 degree. All similar to the Continental-powered Series 5 Vixen shown in the Pilot's Operating Handbook, but this one was originally built and is still powered by a 912 UL . I did not get a builder's manual with the plane and would like to know if this was the recommended set-up for this configuration. None of the "Tested CG Range" charts seem to match the weight and balance information received with the plane. I have heard of some Kitfox IV builders forward sweeping there wings, was this to compensate for a heavy engine or for some performance design? What should this do for my Vixen? Also would like to know what the gross weight should be for this Vixen. Thanks for your help, Mark Wisconsin _RRTRACK@AOL.COM_ (mailto:RRTRACK@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:28 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vixen Information Congrats Mark on your new purchase. Yes, the forward wing sweep was to compensate for the heavy engine, namely the Lycoming O235, Cont IO240, and Subarus. Using the light 912 engine with forward sweep wings would probably create a tail heavy condition if not compensated by something extreme forward such as a heavy prop. The gross weight would be determined by the model/year serial number which would be either 1400 or 1550. Just my 2 cents. Deke S5 with forward swept wings and Soob with heavy prop ----- Original Message ----- From: RRTRACK@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Vixen Information I have just purchased a Kitfox Vixen ( HCY-012 ) and would like to talk with any early Vixen owners/builders. This Kitfox has the long ( 32' ) wings and the wide ( 7' 11" ) elevator. And the wings are swept forward 1 degree. All similar to the Continental-powered Series 5 Vixen shown in the Pilot's Operating Handbook, but this one was originally built and is still powered by a 912 UL . I did not get a builder's manual with the plane and would like to know if this was the recommended set-up for this configuration. None of the "Tested CG Range" charts seem to match the weight and balance information received with the plane. I have heard of some Kitfox IV builders forward sweeping there wings, was this to compensate for a heavy engine or for some performance design? What should this do for my Vixen? Also would like to know what the gross weight should be for this Vixen. Thanks for your help, Mark Wisconsin RRTRACK@AOL.COM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:48 PM PST US From: Alan Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vixen Information The 1 degree forward sweep is to move the center of lift forward to give a better CG for heavy engines. I also put 1 degree on my 5 with a 7 FWF tailwheel with a 912s that was built light and licensed for 1320 so I could get the tailwheel on with better control. The only thing it did for my weight and balance is that it limits how much I can carry in the cargo compartment. I think it limits me to about 120 pounds, but if I am not carrying bricks or sacks of cement it is not a problem. You would have to do the math to see where it puts you with the short engine mount of the early Vixen, but it should not be a problem. As far as gross weight it could be 1400 or if it is one of the real early ones it could be less. The information with the plane should tell you what the design weights are. Even the later Vixen was limited to 1400 pounds with the 80 HP engine due to performance limitations. RRTRACK@aol.com wrote: > I have just purchased a Kitfox Vixen ( HCY-012 ) and would like to > talk with any early Vixen owners/builders. > This Kitfox has the long ( 32' ) wings and the wide ( 7' 11" ) > elevator. And the wings are swept forward 1 degree. All similar to > the Continental-powered Series 5 Vixen shown in the Pilot's Operating > Handbook, but this one was originally built and is still powered by a > 912 UL . I did not get a builder's manual with the plane and would > like to know if this was the recommended set-up for this > configuration. None of the "Tested CG Range" charts seem to match the > weight and balance information received with the plane. > I have heard of some Kitfox IV builders forward sweeping there > wings, was this to compensate for a heavy engine or for some > performance design? What should this do for my Vixen? Also would like > to know what the gross weight should be for this Vixen. > Thanks for your help, > Mark > Wisconsin > RRTRACK@AOL.COM > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.