Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Sun 12/17/06


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 06:13 AM - Kitfox for sale (Don Smythe)
     2. 06:24 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale ()
     3. 06:42 AM - Kitfox for sale (Dee Young)
     4. 06:46 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (dave)
     5. 06:56 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Don Smythe)
     6. 07:00 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Don Smythe)
     7. 07:12 AM - Size (RAY Gignac)
     8. 07:41 AM - Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference (Tinne maha)
     9. 08:14 AM - Series 5 + room (jim)
    10. 08:23 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Lynn Matteson)
    11. 08:30 AM - Re: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference (Lowell Fitt)
    12. 09:02 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (kitfoxmike)
    13. 09:15 AM - OIl Leak / Lowell (Rexster)
    14. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox for sale (Alan Daniels)
    15. 10:01 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Joyce & Jim)
    16. 10:11 AM - Re: OIl Leak / Lowell (akflyer)
    17. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox for sale (Barry West)
    18. 10:46 AM - Re: OIl Leak / Lowell (Lowell Fitt)
    19. 01:11 PM - KITFOX flight PUGET Sound area (Joyce & Jim)
    20. 01:14 PM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Noel Loveys)
    21. 01:17 PM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Noel Loveys)
    22. 01:59 PM - IGNITION GAPS (kaufjm@aol.com)
    23. 02:18 PM - Re: OIl Leak / Lowell (Fox5flyer)
    24. 02:32 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (skyring)
    25. 07:38 PM - 912 Oil Leak  (Rexster)
    26. 11:52 PM - Stall speed noise (Michel Verheughe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:13:58 AM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Kitfox for sale
    Well, I just had a good prospective buyer look at my Classic IV. He was 5'9" and weighed a little over 200#. We didn't even fly since he arrived after dark. After trying to get into the plane he commented how tight it was and left without calling back. I know we must have a lot of members that are well over 5'9" and weigh more that 200#. I never anticipated that the size of the Kitfox would be a problem in selling. Don Smythe Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:24:06 AM PST US
    From: <cphill@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    Hi Don...what are you asking for your Classic... Carl ______________________________________________________________________ Carl Hill cphill@frontiernet.net 304.947.7981 (o) 989.225.1920 (c) 304.947.5022 (fx) for a look at some interesting stuff..click here!! http://www.p3psales.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale Well, I just had a good prospective buyer look at my Classic IV. He was 5'9" and weighed a little over 200#. We didn't even fly since he arrived after dark. After trying to get into the plane he commented how tight it was and left without calling back. I know we must have a lot of members that are well over 5'9" and weigh more that 200#. I never anticipated that the size of the Kitfox would be a problem in selling. Don Smythe Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:42:57 AM PST US
    From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
    Subject: Kitfox for sale
    List, I am 6' and my weight I am sorry to say is 295 lbs. I can get in and out of my Kitfox II much easier than a Citabria, Aronica Champ or a Cessna 150. I know the IV is larger than the II so that may help some Don if someone inquires. Dee Young Model II Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:46:53 AM PST US
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    Don, I weigh 210 and 5" 9" and have taken guys up to 6 ' 4" with a problem. I will say that the leg room is the biggest issue for the over 6 footers I have found. Kitfox is more comfortable than a 152 and has alot more to offer than a 152. Kitfoxes are cheap in my opinion and you can buy them for 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost to build a new one. The question is why? I see Challengers, Chinnooks and Beavers RX selling for more than Kitfoxes and they are not even half the airplane. So bottom line is used Kitfoxes are a hell of a deal. That one i posted here a week or two ago that i called a great deal wa a Kitfox 3 582 170TT on aerocet amphibs...... Well it sold last week and the new owner is in transit home now. It sold for 25k US $ so a KF IV like your Don should be able to fetch your 20k without a doubt and maybe more -- question is WHY NOT yet ? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Smythe To: Kitfox List Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale Well, I just had a good prospective buyer look at my Classic IV. He was 5'9" and weighed a little over 200#. We didn't even fly since he arrived after dark. After trying to get into the plane he commented how tight it was and left without calling back. I know we must have a lot of members that are well over 5'9" and weigh more that 200#. I never anticipated that the size of the Kitfox would be a problem in selling. Don Smythe Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:56:19 AM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    $20K firm Don Smythe Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: <cphill@frontiernet.net> > Hi Don...what are you asking for your Classic... Carl >


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    Time: 07:00:50 AM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    Well, I'm 5'2" at 140#. When I built the fox, I use the old famous JC Penny's rocking chair cushions that are 4" thick. I also put in shorter links on the rudder cables to bring the pedals back to a comfortable leg length for me. I explained to the guy that replacing the links with longer ones would easily give him 2"+ more leg room. Michael Harter (close to 6') did a big part of my 40 hours fly-off with no problems. Don Smythe Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: dave To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale Don, I weigh 210 and 5" 9" and have taken guys up to 6 ' 4" with a problem. I will say that the leg room is the biggest issue for the over 6 footers I have found. Kitfox is more comfortable than a 152 and has alot more to offer than a 152. Kitfoxes are cheap in my opinion and you can buy them for 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost to build a new one. The question is why? I see Challengers, Chinnooks and Beavers RX selling for more than Kitfoxes and they are not even half the airplane. So bottom line is used Kitfoxes are a hell of a deal.


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    Time: 07:12:01 AM PST US
    From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
    Subject: Size
    My two cents worth! I am 6'1" 210, I fly a model IV 1200 with a 912uls. Only problem area is getting in and out. Once inside my fox I'm fine. As for passengers, no problems. Ray _________________________________________________________________ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us


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    Time: 07:41:03 AM PST US
    From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference
    I just completed a series 5 taildragger with Lycoming. The DAR who inspected my airplane the other day (I have my airworthiness certificate now!) made what I consider to be a very good catch. May or may not apply to others here. The right rudder cable was rubbing against the nut end of the bolt that mounts the trim motor to the fuselage. He told me to turn the bolt around to eliminate the interference. I did what he said & the interference is now gone. THANK YOU, Mr D.A.R.! Although I'm very glad he caught that, I don't really know what to make of this. On the one hand, I feel like he might have saved my life, but on the other hand there are probably hundreds of Kitfoxes that have been flying for years with this same condition [I checked the plans & the way it was originally (cable rubbing on bolt) was per the skystar instructions for both Series 5 & Series 6.] Did I miss a service bulletin, or is this a non-issue? Sorry if this is a worn out topic: I couldn't find anything in the archives, but maybe I didn't use the right search string. Grant Krueger _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list.


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    Time: 08:14:14 AM PST US
    From: jim <jimrody@WI.RR.COM>
    Subject: Series 5 + room
    How much more room, specifically leg room does the series 5 thru 7 have than the previous models? I'm 6' 6" and was quite cramped in a model 3. ( only in leg room , my knees jambed against the panel.) I realize with my height I will probably feel that way in most, more room the better. I know the adjustable pedals will be forward.......... JR > List, I am 6' and my weight I am sorry to say is 295 lbs. I can get in > and out of my Kitfox II much easier than a Citabria, Aronica Champ or > a Cessna 150. I know the IV is larger than the II so that may help > some Don if someone inquires. > > Dee Young > Model II > > Do Not Archive > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:23:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    I took a 5' 11"...240 pounder up yesterday in my IV with shorter rudder cables ( shortened for me), and he took up a lot of "stick wiggle" room, but the plane flew fine at almost exactly right on the gross weight of 1200 lbs. Lynn On Sunday, December 17, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Don Smythe wrote: > Well, I'm 5'2" at 140#. When I built the fox, I use the old famous JC > Penny's rocking chair cushions that are 4" thick. I also put in > shorter links on the rudder cables to bring the pedals back to a > comfortable leg length for me. I explained to the guy that replacing > the links with longer oneswould easily give him 2"+ more leg room. > Michael Harter (close to 6') did a big part of my 40 hours fly-off > with no problems. > > Don Smythe > Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dave > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale > > Don, > I weigh 210 and 5" 9" and have taken guys up to 6 ' 4" with a > problem. > I will say that the leg room is the biggest issue for the over 6 > footers I have found. > > Kitfox is more comfortable than a 152 and has alot more to offer than > a 152. > > Kitfoxes are cheap in my opinion and you can buy them for 1/2 to 1/3 > of the cost to build a new one. The question is why? > I see Challengers, Chinnooks and Beavers RX selling for more than > Kitfoxes and they are not even half the airplane. > > So bottom line is used Kitfoxes are a hell of a deal. > > >


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    Time: 08:30:33 AM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference
    Grant, Congratulations on the Certificate and the good eyes of the DAR. This brings to mind the data base I have collected on the flying Kitfoxes. I will add you to the list and anyone else out there not on the list yet, drop a note. Other data on the list is exact engine designation, third wheel configuration, location and anything else particular to your airplane. Also I would suggest that anyone building drop a note also as there is plenty of room in the spreadsheet. It's just nice to see what we all are doing. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:40 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference > > I just completed a series 5 taildragger with Lycoming. The DAR who > inspected my airplane the other day (I have my airworthiness certificate > now!) made what I consider to be a very good catch. May or may not apply > to others here. The right rudder cable was rubbing against the nut end of > the bolt that mounts the trim motor to the fuselage. He told me to turn > the bolt around to eliminate the interference. I did what he said & the > interference is now gone. THANK YOU, Mr D.A.R.! > > Although I'm very glad he caught that, I don't really know what to make of > this. On the one hand, I feel like he might have saved my life, but on > the other hand there are probably hundreds of Kitfoxes that have been > flying for years with this same condition [I checked the plans & the way > it was originally (cable rubbing on bolt) was per the skystar instructions > for both Series 5 & Series 6.] > Did I miss a service bulletin, or is this a non-issue? > > Sorry if this is a worn out topic: I couldn't find anything in the > archives, but maybe I didn't use the right search string. > > Grant Krueger > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends > list. > > >


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    Time: 09:02:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    I have a saying when a person wants a ride in my fox, "If you can fit in it, you can go". It's amazing how many BIG people give me a bad look. On the other hand, I'm a little guy and always got razed growing up, I guess it's my turn to get back at all those tall, big, towering people, because the fox is very, very, very fun to fly. -------- kitfoxmike Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82083#82083


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    Time: 09:15:30 AM PST US
    From: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
    Subject: OIl Leak / Lowell
    Lowell and the rest, A couple weeks ago, I mentioned that I had an oil leak in the front r ight side of my 912. I found it last week and think you guys may benefit from what I found. The oil pump housing had cracked right where the sen ding unit screws in. The sending unit is a pipe thread (meaning that it' s tapered). Every time I snugged everything up trying to stop the leak, I opened up the crack a bit more. The oil pump housing is very thin righ t there and can't handle much torque on the sending unit. It's very diff icult to get a torque wrench on the sending unit and the only way I thin k it can be done is with a wrench, a spring scale, and some math. The to rque setting calls for 266 inch pounds. Lo and behold, last weekend, I o pened up a Rotax list of recent service bulletins and they've changed th e torque on the sending unit! It's been cut in half from 266 inch pounds to only 133 inch pounds. The manual calls for Loctite 221 on the thread s which is difficult to find. I called LEAF and they said to use Loctite 242 which I have. That cracked housing on the pump is not available separately. We have to purchase the entire pump to get it. Make sure you're sitting before you read the price of the pump. It costs $514 plus some change, tax and shipping. There's a fellow in our chapter who is quite a welder. He look ed at it and has an idea of welding a spacer on to the housing where the sender used to screw in. Then, he's going to put a pipe thread in the s pacer for the sending unit. He doesn't know yet if the type of aluminum is weldable or not, but he'll know by next weekend. I sure am glad that he's currently borrowing my HVLP paint system for his plane! Next time you're looking at your sending unit, check out how thin the metal is on the pump on the engine side of the sending unit. I'm guessi ng that Rotax has had other pumps break in this same area, hence the red uced torque specification. If my friend can weld that spacer on, it will be much stronger. If not, I've got to buy a new pump. I hope this helps save some of you from this same problem. Rex in Michigan -- "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote: This brings to mind the data base I have collected on the flying Kitfoxe s. I will add you to the list and anyone else out there not on the list yet , drop a note. Other data on the list is exact engine designation, third wheel configuration, location and anything else particular to your airpl ane. Also I would suggest that anyone building drop a note also as there is plenty of room in the spreadsheet. It's just nice to see what we all ar e doing. Lowell <html><P>Lowell and the rest,</P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; A couple weeks ago, I mentioned that I had an oil leak i n the front right side of my 912. I found it last week and think you guy s may benefit from what I found. The oil pump housing had cracked right where the sending unit screws in. The sending unit is a pipe thread (mea ning that it's tapered). Every time I snugged everything up trying to st op the leak, I opened up the crack a bit more. The oil pump housing is v ery thin right there and can't handle much torque on the sending unit. I t's very difficult to get a torque wrench on the sending unit and the on ly way I think it can be done is with a wrench, a spring scale, and some math. The torque setting calls for 266 inch pounds. Lo and behold, last weekend, I opened up a Rotax list of recent service bulletins and they' ve changed the torque on the sending unit! It's been cut in half from 26 6 inch pounds to only 133 inch pounds. The manual calls for Loctite 221 on the threads which is difficult to find. I called LEAF and they said t o use Loctite 242 which I have.</P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; That cracked housing on the pump is not available separa tely. We have to purchase the entire pump to get it. Make sure you're si tting before you read the price of the pump. It costs $514 plus some cha nge, tax and shipping. There's a fellow in our chapter who&nbsp;is quite a welder. He looked at it and has an idea of welding a spacer on to the housing where the sender used to screw in. Then, he's going to&nbsp;put a pipe thread in the spacer&nbsp;for the sending unit. He doesn't know yet if the type of aluminum is weldable or not, but he'll know by next w eekend. I sure am glad that&nbsp;he's currently borrowing my HVLP paint system for his plane!</P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; Next time you're looking at your sending unit, check out how thin the metal is on the pump on the engine side of the sending uni t. I'm&nbsp;guessing that Rotax has had other pumps break&nbsp;in this s ame area, hence the reduced torque specification. If my friend can weld that spacer on, it will be much stronger. If not, I've got to buy a new pump. I hope this helps save some of you from this same problem.</P> <P>Rex in Michigan</P> <P><BR>--&nbsp;"Lowell&nbsp;Fitt"&nbsp;&lt;lcfitt@sbcglobal.net&gt;&nbsp ;wrote:<BR>--&gt;&nbsp;Kitfox-List&nbsp;message&nbsp;posted&nbsp;by:&nbs p;"Lowell&nbsp;Fitt"&nbsp;<A href="mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net">lcfitt @sbcglobal.net</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR>This&nbsp;brings&nbsp;to &nbsp;mind&nbsp;the&nbsp;data&nbsp;base&nbsp;I&nbsp;have&nbsp;collected& nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;flying&nbsp;Kitfoxes.&nbsp;<BR>I&nbsp;will&nbsp;ad d&nbsp;you&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;list&nbsp;and&nbsp;anyone&nbsp;else&nbs p;out&nbsp;there&nbsp;not&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;list&nbsp;yet,&nbsp;<BR> drop&nbsp;a&nbsp;note.&nbsp;&nbsp;Other&nbsp;data&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp; list&nbsp;is&nbsp;exact&nbsp;engine&nbsp;designation,&nbsp;third&nbsp;<B R>wheel&nbsp;configuration,&nbsp;location&nbsp;and&nbsp;anything&nbsp;el se&nbsp;particular&nbsp;to&nbsp;your&nbsp;airplane.<BR><BR>Also&nbsp;I&n bsp;would&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;that&nbsp;anyone&nbsp;building&nbsp;drop&nbs p;a&nbsp;note&nbsp;also&nbsp;as&nbsp;there&nbsp;is&nbsp;<BR>plenty&nbsp; of&nbsp;room&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;spreadsheet.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's&nbsp;jus t&nbsp;nice&nbsp;to&nbsp;see&nbsp;what&nbsp;we&nbsp;all&nbsp;are&nbsp;<B R>doing.<BR><BR>Lowell<BR><BR></P> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 09:40:16 AM PST US
    From: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    I have found that it is more how they are big that is a problem. Some guys with heavy legs can get in, but I can't move the stick enough. A really big belly also blocks the stick. For a big person I usually take the seat cushions out and have them sit on the fiberglass pan. We made our Fox's with two different size seat cushions, very thin for me and thicker for my wife. We just move them to whichever side we need them. I am jammed in with her seats to the point I will not even taxi the plane, but am perfectly comfortable with mine. At 6-2 and 230 I can't sit centered on the seat in a Piper Arrow as my shoulders are against the wall of the plane, but my Fox is the most comfortable seat in the house. kitfoxmike wrote: > > I have a saying when a person wants a ride in my fox, "If you can fit in it, you can go". It's amazing how many BIG people give me a bad look. On the other hand, I'm a little guy and always got razed growing up, I guess it's my turn to get back at all those tall, big, towering people, because the fox is very, very, very fun to fly. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82083#82083 > > >


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    Time: 10:01:28 AM PST US
    From: "Joyce & Jim" <jimmiepat@cavanaugh.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    Don, New topic. Where are You and your Kitfox IV located ? request particulars of airplanr for sale. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Smythe To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale Well, I'm 5'2" at 140#. When I built the fox, I use the old famous JC Penny's rocking chair cushions that are 4" thick. I also put in shorter links on the rudder cables to bring the pedals back to a comfortable leg length for me. I explained to the guy that replacing the links with longer ones would easily give him 2"+ more leg room. Michael Harter (close to 6') did a big part of my 40 hours fly-off with no problems. Don Smythe Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: dave To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale Don, I weigh 210 and 5" 9" and have taken guys up to 6 ' 4" with a problem. I will say that the leg room is the biggest issue for the over 6 footers I have found. Kitfox is more comfortable than a 152 and has alot more to offer than a 152. Kitfoxes are cheap in my opinion and you can buy them for 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost to build a new one. The question is why? I see Challengers, Chinnooks and Beavers RX selling for more than Kitfoxes and they are not even half the airplane. So bottom line is used Kitfoxes are a hell of a deal.


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    Time: 10:11:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: OIl Leak / Lowell
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    I have used alumaloy in many applications ranging from boat hulls to VW blocks to boat props to transmitions and have had very good luck with it. On some thicker metals I went with Mapp gas to get the heat input up, but most of the time you can just use a propane torch. Be carefull as aluminum does not give you much warning from being hot enough to weld / braze and turning into a glob of goo on the shop floor.. -------- Leni Avid C W/582 1260 full lotus .......DO NOT ARCHIVE..... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82094#82094


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    Time: 10:30:07 AM PST US
    From: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox for sale
    OK, I have to throw this in. I took a 7 ft tall basketball player in my Classic IV. His knees were near his chin, but he loved it. BarryWest ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox for sale > > I have a saying when a person wants a ride in my fox, "If you can fit in > it, you can go". It's amazing how many BIG people give me a bad look. On > the other hand, I'm a little guy and always got razed growing up, I guess > it's my turn to get back at all those tall, big, towering people, because > the fox is very, very, very fun to fly. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82083#82083 > > >


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    Time: 10:46:41 AM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: OIl Leak / Lowell
    Ouch! Thanks for the report and the warning. Good luck on the welding project. Actually I can't imagine 266 inch pounds on that fitting. It must have been an original misprint. The prop bolts are less than that. And we are talking high strength steel bolts here. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: OIl Leak / Lowell Lowell and the rest, A couple weeks ago, I mentioned that I had an oil leak in the front right side of my 912. I found it last week and think you guys may benefit from what I found. The oil pump housing had cracked right where the sending unit screws in. The sending unit is a pipe thread (meaning that it's tapered). Every time I snugged everything up trying to stop the leak, I opened up the crack a bit more. The oil pump housing is very thin right there and can't handle much torque on the sending unit. It's very difficult to get a torque wrench on the sending unit and the only way I think it can be done is with a wrench, a spring scale, and some math. The torque setting calls for 266 inch pounds. Lo and behold, last weekend, I opened up a Rotax list of recent service bulletins and they've changed the torque on the sending unit! It's been cut in half from 266 inch pounds to only 133 inch pounds. The manual calls for Loctite 221 on the threads which is difficult to find. I called LEAF and they said to use Loctite 242 which I have. That cracked housing on the pump is not available separately. We have to purchase the entire pump to get it. Make sure you're sitting before you read the price of the pump. It costs $514 plus some change, tax and shipping. There's a fellow in our chapter who is quite a welder. He looked at it and has an idea of welding a spacer on to the housing where the sender used to screw in. Then, he's going to put a pipe thread in the spacer for the sending unit. He doesn't know yet if the type of aluminum is weldable or not, but he'll know by next weekend. I sure am glad that he's currently borrowing my HVLP paint system for his plane! Next time you're looking at your sending unit, check out how thin the metal is on the pump on the engine side of the sending unit. I'm guessing that Rotax has had other pumps break in this same area, hence the reduced torque specification. If my friend can weld that spacer on, it will be much stronger. If not, I've got to buy a new pump. I hope this helps save some of you from this same problem. Rex in Michigan -- "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote: This brings to mind the data base I have collected on the flying Kitfoxes. I will add you to the list and anyone else out there not on the list yet, drop a note. Other data on the list is exact engine designation, third wheel configuration, location and anything else particular to your airplane. Also I would suggest that anyone building drop a note also as there is plenty of room in the spreadsheet. It's just nice to see what we all are doing. Lowell


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    Time: 01:11:22 PM PST US
    From: "Joyce & Jim" <jimmiepat@cavanaugh.net>
    Subject: KITFOX flight PUGET Sound area
    DO NOT ARCHIVE. This writer feels KitFox is the airplane to buy - from my reading. However, need to fly one first. Is there an owner in Puget Sound area who would give me a flight in his airplane. Would pay for the trouble. Me, I'm 66 yr old x-Naval aviator, x commercial pilot. Tail wheel experience in Super cub and C-45 (world famous Navy SNB "Bugsmasher". About 800 hrs in general aviation tricycle gear airplanes. I'm on Whidbey Island and would drive to your Puget Sound site. Jim Cavanaugh (360)678-3251


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    Time: 01:14:02 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Kitfox for sale
    I'm just under 6' and quite a bit (won't say how much) over 200lb. I find the 'Fox easier to get in and out of than the Cessna $15X. A lot more plane there too! Part of the extra room in the 'fox is because you don't have a yoke which chews up a good bit of room. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale Well, I just had a good prospective buyer look at my Classic IV. He was 5'9" and weighed a little over 200#. We didn't even fly since he arrived after dark. After trying to get into the plane he commented how tight it was and left without calling back. I know we must have a lot of members that are well over 5'9" and weigh more that 200#. I never anticipated that the size of the Kitfox would be a problem in selling. Don Smythe Do Not Archive


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    Time: 01:17:40 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Kitfox for sale
    The Super Cub (PA 18) seemed to have a bit more room inside some of that is due to the tandem seating. Again a lot more plane than a C $150. It's almost as good as the 'Fox! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale List, I am 6' and my weight I am sorry to say is 295 lbs. I can get in and out of my Kitfox II much easier than a Citabria, Aronica Champ or a Cessna 150. I know the IV is larger than the II so that may help some Don if someone inquires. Dee Young Model II Do Not Archive


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    Time: 01:59:04 PM PST US
    Subject: IGNITION GAPS
    From: kaufjm@aol.com
    I am checking wiring on my 912S (ROUGH RUNNING ENGINE) and have discovered that all of my ignition pick-ups have a different gap. I can't find what the gaps should be in any of my Rotax manuals. Does anyone know what they should be? Jon ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 02:18:58 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
    Subject: Re: OIl Leak / Lowell
    Great sleuth work Rexter in Michigan! When you have your newly manufactured part in place and checked out, give us a report. Dekester in Michigan do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Rexster To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: OIl Leak / Lowell Lowell and the rest, A couple weeks ago, I mentioned that I had an oil leak in the front right side of my 912. I found it last week and think you guys may benefit from what I found. The oil pump housing had cracked right where the sending unit screws in. The sending unit is a pipe snip...


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    Time: 02:32:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight G-CDXY
    From: "skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
    David that looks great. We have a similar S5 in Austria with 100 hp Rotax but with 8" tyres so maybe a bit more drag. Currently doing taxi tests and engine run-ups so it will fly very soon. Actually we had some short flights 12 months ago but then had to change the engine so basically a 12 month set back. We will one day fly to England in OE-MJU so will catch up with you. Or maybe meet in France or Germany? Anyway well done. I think the 5 will be a very good plane. Kerry. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82137#82137


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    Time: 07:38:48 PM PST US
    From: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
    Subject: 912 Oil Leak
    Jimmy, Dekester, and the Group, I've been searching for the source of this leak since 2003 when it wa s a drop or so per hour. Periodically, I'd check the tightness of everyt hing in the area and the leak was always a little worse afterward. Each time I checked the sending unit, I was opening the crack a bit more. I j ust got the pump back tonight. It looks great, but it's not on the Fox y et. Looking at the amount of metal in the area where the crack developed , I might be tempted to have this spacer welded on a healthy pump BEFORE it cracks. Rex in Michigan -- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote: Rex Good find. Today I noted that I can feel oil, (just slightly), arou nd the bottom of the oil pump and cannot find the source of it. So your email makes me wonder if it is in the area of the sending unit. Mine s eems to be ever so slight, like one drop in 24 hours. Did yours start o ut like this? Thank you. Jimmie -- "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com> wrote: Great sleuth work Rexter in Michigan! When you have your newly manufact ured part in place and checked out, give us a report.Dekester in Michiga n do not archive <html><P>Jimmy, Dekester, and the Group,</P> <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; I've been searching for the source of this leak since 20 03 when it was a drop or so per hour. Periodically, I'd check the tightn ess of everything in the area and the leak was always a little worse aft erward. Each time I checked the sending unit, I was opening the crack a bit more. I just got the pump back tonight. It looks great, but it's not on the Fox yet. Looking at the amount of metal in the area where the cr ack developed, I might be tempted to have this spacer welded on a health y pump BEFORE it cracks.</P> <P>Rex in Michigan<BR><BR>--&nbsp;"Jimmie&nbsp;Blackwell"&nbsp;&lt;Jimmi eBlackwell@austin.rr.com&gt;&nbsp;wrote:<BR></P> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rex</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good find.&nbsp; Today I noted that I c an feel oil, (just slightly), around the bottom of the oil pump and cann ot find the source of it.&nbsp; So your email makes me wonder if it is i n the area of the sending unit.&nbsp; Mine seems to be ever so slight, l ike one drop in 24 hours.&nbsp; Did yours start out like this?</FONT></D IV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jimmie</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>--&nbsp;"Fox 5flyer"&nbsp;&lt;fox5flyer@i-star.com&gt;&nbsp;wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great sleuth work Rexter in Michigan!&n bsp; When you have your newly manufactured part in place and checked out , give us a report.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dekester in Michigan</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>do not archive</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 11:52:45 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Stall speed noise
    Hello everyone, Saturday I wrote a question to the list. Unfortunately, trying to copy someone else's style, I wrote it in the "Dear Abby" style, something that wasn't appreciated by the list moderator. I apologized for that but my question still remains unanswered and it worries me because if none of you experience a certain noise when the plane starts a stall, then ... something could be wrong with my plane. So, please, if any of you know the reason why I can hear a distinct sound that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3 stalls, I'd appreciate it. Could it be that, as the air becomes turbulent around the wing, that a part of the fabric flaps like a whip on the fuel tank? Thanks in advance. Michel <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>




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