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1. 03:43 AM - Re: Stall speed noise (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:46 AM - 912 Oil Leak - cracked fitting (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:08 AM - Re: 912 Oil Leak - cracked fitting (dave)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: IGNITION GAPS (Barry West)
5. 07:40 AM - Re: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference (Tinne maha)
6. 11:49 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (kurt schrader)
7. 12:51 PM - Re: First Flight G-CDXY (john beirne)
8. 01:01 PM - Floats (Glenn Horne)
9. 01:47 PM - Re: Stall speed noise (Jay Fabian)
10. 02:02 PM - Re: Stall speed noise (Michel Verheughe)
11. 03:13 PM - Aluminium Welding (Rex Shaw)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: Stall speed noise (Lowell Fitt)
13. 05:47 PM - Re: Stall speed noise (Michael Gibbs)
14. 06:37 PM - Re: Floats (Noel Loveys)
15. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall speed noise (Dee Young)
16. 07:38 PM - Re: Series 5 + room (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Stall speed noise (kurt schrader)
18. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Stall speed noise (A Smith)
19. 09:13 PM - Re: Floats (Jim Corner)
20. 11:13 PM - Re: Re: Stall speed noise (Ted Palamarek)
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
I haven't experienced that, Michel. Mine just goes straight over at
stall. I have my fabric poly-brushed firmly to the tanks wherever it
happened to touch, which is probably 60-70% of the area.
Lynn
On Dec 18, 2006, at 2:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> Saturday I wrote a question to the list. Unfortunately, trying to
> copy someone else's style, I wrote it in the "Dear Abby" style,
> something that wasn't appreciated by the list moderator. I
> apologized for that but my question still remains unanswered and it
> worries me because if none of you experience a certain noise when
> the plane starts a stall, then ... something could be wrong with my
> plane.
>
> So, please, if any of you know the reason why I can hear a distinct
> sound that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3 stalls, I'd
> appreciate it. Could it be that, as the air becomes turbulent
> around the wing, that a part of the fabric flaps like a whip on the
> fuel tank? Thanks in advance.
>
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | 912 Oil Leak - cracked fitting |
I'm a plumber by trade (been called other things though) and what you
describe is a common phenomenon that I've wasted many many hours trying
to find the cause. It happens with not only aluminum, but pvc, plastic,
steel, and cast iron. The crack is perpendicular to the female threads
and generally is nearly invisible and usually is caused by the male
fitting being screwed in too tight and it may not show itself for years.
The natural tendency is to take it apart, clean it up, apply some sort
of accapuckky or Teflon tape, or whatever, retighten it, then watch it
begin to leak again. So what do we usually do? Tighten it up some
more! and pipe threads being tapered as they are it only widens the
crack and exacerbates the leak.
This is a good lesson to all of you out there who experience a small
persistent leak in pipe thread type fittings. Get the part out on the
bench under a good magnified light and eyeball it very closely while
tightening the fitting. It's usually visible under those conditions.
Better yet, some dye penetrant will show it up too.
Thanks again for the report Rexter.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Oil Leak
Jimmy, Dekester, and the Group,
I've been searching for the source of this leak since 2003 when it
was a drop or so per hour. Periodically, I'd check the tightness of
everything in the area and the leak was always a little worse afterward.
Each time I checked the sending unit, I was opening the crack a bit
more. I just got the pump back tonight. It looks great, but it's not on
the Fox yet. Looking at the amount of metal in the area where the crack
developed, I might be tempted to have this spacer welded on a healthy
pump BEFORE it cracks.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Rex
Good find. Today I noted that I can feel oil, (just slightly), around
the bottom of the oil pump and cannot find the source of it. So your
email makes me wonder if it is in the area of the sending unit. Mine
seems to be ever so slight, like one drop in 24 hours. Did yours start
out like this?
Thank you.
Jimmie
-- "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com> wrote:
Great sleuth work Rexter in Michigan! When you have your newly
manufactured part in place and checked out, give us a report.
Dekester in Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Oil Leak - cracked fitting |
Deke ,
You are right the NPT thread is tapered and where the female thread is
in a cast part they are prove to cracking from overtightening mostly. If
a new thread can be welded on -GREAT !! If not just goop it up and
hope for the best.
I am not an advocate of teflon tape for fuel and /or hydraulic lines as
it will cause clogging as the tape "threads " off in strands sometimes.
If you careful using it you might be ok but I can cause issues. I find
that plumbers putty in sticks works well and read th label to ensure it
good for gas an oils. Teflon tape Can break down when exposed to Gas
and oils.
I have seen too often teflon tape pieces caught in gascolators.
I know many use it sucessfully without an issue but there are issues
than can arise and caution is warranted.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Oil Leak - cracked fitting
I'm a plumber by trade (been called other things though) and what you
describe is a common phenomenon that I've wasted many many hours trying
to find the cause. It happens with not only aluminum, but pvc, plastic,
steel, and cast iron. The crack is perpendicular to the female threads
and generally is nearly invisible and usually is caused by the male
fitting being screwed in too tight and it may not show itself for years.
The natural tendency is to take it apart, clean it up, apply some sort
of accapuckky or Teflon tape, or whatever, retighten it, then watch it
begin to leak again. So what do we usually do? Tighten it up some
more! and pipe threads being tapered as they are it only widens the
crack and exacerbates the leak.
This is a good lesson to all of you out there who experience a small
persistent leak in pipe thread type fittings. Get the part out on the
bench under a good magnified light and eyeball it very closely while
tightening the fitting. It's usually visible under those conditions.
Better yet, some dye penetrant will show it up too.
Thanks again for the report Rexter.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Oil Leak
Jimmy, Dekester, and the Group,
I've been searching for the source of this leak since 2003 when
it was a drop or so per hour. Periodically, I'd check the tightness of
everything in the area and the leak was always a little worse afterward.
Each time I checked the sending unit, I was opening the crack a bit
more. I just got the pump back tonight. It looks great, but it's not on
the Fox yet. Looking at the amount of metal in the area where the crack
developed, I might be tempted to have this spacer welded on a healthy
pump BEFORE it cracks.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Jimmie Blackwell" <JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Rex
Good find. Today I noted that I can feel oil, (just slightly),
around the bottom of the oil pump and cannot find the source of it. So
your email makes me wonder if it is in the area of the sending unit.
Mine seems to be ever so slight, like one drop in 24 hours. Did yours
start out like this?
Thank you.
Jimmie
-- "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com> wrote:
Great sleuth work Rexter in Michigan! When you have your newly
manufactured part in place and checked out, give us a report.
Dekester in Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: IGNITION GAPS |
Ask the tech reps at Lockwood.
Barry Westt
----- Original Message -----
From: kaufjm@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: IGNITION GAPS
I am checking wiring on my 912S (ROUGH RUNNING ENGINE) and have
discovered that all of my ignition pick-ups have a different gap. I
can't find what the gaps should be in any of my Rotax manuals. Does
anyone know what they should be?
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference |
Hi Lowell,
Thanks for the response. When the weather, my preparation & the airplane
are all just right, I will take my first flight. I'll post results to the
list after I fly a few hours off.
Although I've found it very useful, I'm not sure how the data base list
works. I've copied it off from other posts to the kitfox list (thank you
for your efforts in keeping the list), but I don't know, other than writing
to you, how it gets added to. My intent was to get some discussion.....see
if anyone else has dealt with this bolt-rudder cable interference, or if
everyone else has & I'm the only idiot who missed it or what.
I don't know whether to rate this as a major or minor concern. At first I
thought it was major & I guess it still could be. However, as I haven't
found any evidence of there being a previous discussion on the topic, I
would deduce most kitfoxes are flying this way (& have been for years), so
it obviously isn't a problem. Did you deal with this on your airplane?
Grant
Time: 08:30:33 AM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference
Grant,
Congratulations on the Certificate and the good eyes of the DAR.
This brings to mind the data base I have collected on the flying Kitfoxes.
I will add you to the list and anyone else out there not on the list yet,
drop a note. Other data on the list is exact engine designation, third
wheel configuration, location and anything else particular to your airplane.
Also I would suggest that anyone building drop a note also as there is
plenty of room in the spreadsheet. It's just nice to see what we all are
doing.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:40 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trim Mount Bolt - Rudder Cable Interference
>
>I just completed a series 5 taildragger with Lycoming. The DAR who
>inspected my airplane the other day (I have my airworthiness certificate
>now!) made what I consider to be a very good catch. May or may not apply
>to others here. The right rudder cable was rubbing against the nut end of
>the bolt that mounts the trim motor to the fuselage. He told me to turn
>the bolt around to eliminate the interference. I did what he said & the
>interference is now gone. THANK YOU, Mr D.A.R.!
>
>Although I'm very glad he caught that, I don't really know what to make of
>this. On the one hand, I feel like he might have saved my life, but on the
>other hand there are probably hundreds of Kitfoxes that have been flying
>for years with this same condition [I checked the plans & the way it was
>originally (cable rubbing on bolt) was per the skystar instructions for
>both Series 5 & Series 6.]
>Did I miss a service bulletin, or is this a non-issue?
>
>Sorry if this is a worn out topic: I couldn't find anything in the
>archives, but maybe I didn't use the right search string.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
Dont worry about it Don. Sounds like he never sat in
something to compare it to, or just was window
shopping.
Kurt S.
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> Well, I just had a good prospective buyer look at my
> Classic IV. He was 5'9" and weighed a little over
> 200#. We didn't even fly since he arrived after
> dark. After trying to get into the plane he
> commented how tight it was and left without calling
> back. I know we must have a lot of members that are
> well over 5'9" and weigh more that 200#. I never
> anticipated that the size of the Kitfox would be a
> problem in selling.
>
> Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight G-CDXY |
Best of luck with your Mk 7 David,
Incidently is it the same demensions as the MK 3 with the wings folded.
John.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=82291#82291
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Kitfox list,
I have a model II with tube gear (factory)
I'm trying to sell it and I need to know if
floats can me put on it. It only has the two
attachments points where the gear bolts to.
Any one have a model II with floats?
HELP
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
MODEL II 582
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
Same here, I have the ribs and tank tops pollybrushed too, and rib stitched.
No sound on stall either,( except my heart beating ! :)
jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stall speed noise
>
> I haven't experienced that, Michel. Mine just goes straight over at
> stall. I have my fabric poly-brushed firmly to the tanks wherever it
> happened to touch, which is probably 60-70% of the area.
>
> Lynn
> On Dec 18, 2006, at 2:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> Saturday I wrote a question to the list. Unfortunately, trying to copy
>> someone else's style, I wrote it in the "Dear Abby" style, something
>> that wasn't appreciated by the list moderator. I apologized for that but
>> my question still remains unanswered and it worries me because if none
>> of you experience a certain noise when the plane starts a stall, then
>> ... something could be wrong with my plane.
>>
>> So, please, if any of you know the reason why I can hear a distinct
>> sound that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3 stalls, I'd
>> appreciate it. Could it be that, as the air becomes turbulent around the
>> wing, that a part of the fabric flaps like a whip on the fuel tank?
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
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> 12/16/2006
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> I haven't experienced that, Michel. Mine just goes straight over at
> stall. I have my fabric poly-brushed firmly to the tanks wherever it
> happened to touch, which is probably 60-70% of the area.
Thanks Lynn. It is the same with my plane and my guess was only ... a
guess. I can be anything else. You see, I remember, when I started
flying, that someone told me that I would know when I am about to stall
because the plane will give me a signal. I think someone even mentioned
something about the fabric. So, I never worried about it, thinking:
That's my signal.
But after a few touch and go, last Saturday, flying slow and "landing
in the sky" just to keep with the feeling of the plane - as I was told
I should do from time to time, I started wondering where the sound came
from.
Then I asked the question to the list, not in a worried but a humorous
way. But now, I understand that it is not as usual as I thought it was.
Never mind, I'll ask a passenger to fly with me and, without the
headset, to listen to find the direction of that sound. I am not even
sure at all it comes from the wings.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Aluminium Welding |
Time: 07:38:48 PM PST US
From: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Oil Leak
Jimmy, Dekester, and the Group,
I've been searching for the source of this leak since 2003 when it wa
s a drop or so per hour. Periodically, I'd check the tightness of everyt
hing in the area and the leak was always a little worse afterward. Each
time I checked the sending unit, I was opening the crack a bit more. I j
ust got the pump back tonight. It looks great, but it's not on the Fox y
et. Looking at the amount of metal in the area where the crack developed
, I might be tempted to have this spacer welded on a healthy pump BEFORE
it cracks.
Rex in Michigan
I just thought I'd mention in case you get weeping through a porous weld
here don't despair it's probably not a problem. There is a Loctite
product called Wick-in. This will quickly suck into the open pores and
seal them. Actually I would consider doing this before I filled the
pores with oil as it might work better, although I've never seen it not
work. it's amazing stuff.
Rex in Australia.
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
Michel,
I didn't respond earlier because I didn't know exactly what to say. I did
go flying for a bit this afternoon - a severe clear day after almost three
weeks of rain. I did the deed and did some stalls. I didn't hear anything,
but do have noise cancelling headsets and turn my hearing aids to mode III
which connects them to the voice coils in the headsets electro magnetically
rather than through the microphones. Still, their was no noticable noise.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Stall speed noise
> Hello everyone,
> Saturday I wrote a question to the list. Unfortunately, trying to copy
> someone else's style, I wrote it in the "Dear Abby" style, something that
> wasn't appreciated by the list moderator. I apologized for that but my
> question still remains unanswered and it worries me because if none of you
> experience a certain noise when the plane starts a stall, then ...
> something could be wrong with my plane.
>
> So, please, if any of you know the reason why I can hear a distinct sound
> that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3 stalls, I'd appreciate it.
> Could it be that, as the air becomes turbulent around the wing, that a
> part of the fabric flaps like a whip on the fuel tank? Thanks in advance.
>
> Michel
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
Michel sez:
>...if any of you know the reason why I can hear a distinct sound
>that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3 stalls, I'd appreciate
>it.
I'm sorry Michel, I thought you were kidding around. I never heard
such a sound in my Model IV and I stalled and spun it many times. I
think you are probably right, a careful inspection of the fabric on
the wings is in order. I wouldn't limit the inspection to the fuel
tanks, though, check the entire upper and lower surfaces to be safe.
Mike G.
N728KF
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Kitfox #736 (model is registered as III-A) may be one of the last model II
sold spends most of its time on Aerocet 1100s. Looks kind of ungainly on
the funny round things that came with it.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Horne
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Floats
Kitfox list,
I have a model II with tube gear (factory)
I'm trying to sell it and I need to know if
floats can me put on it. It only has the two
attachments points where the gear bolts to.
Any one have a model II with floats?
HELP
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
MODEL II 582
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
Is it possible the fabric is separating from the cap stips on the ribs
or the tubing on the air frame???
Dee Young
N345DY
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From: Michael Gibbs<mailto:MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Stall speed noise
<MichaelGibbs@cox.net<mailto:MichaelGibbs@cox.net>>
Michel sez:
>...if any of you know the reason why I can hear a distinct sound
>that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3 stalls, I'd appreciate
>it.
I'm sorry Michel, I thought you were kidding around. I never heard
such a sound in my Model IV and I stalled and spun it many times. I
think you are probably right, a careful inspection of the fabric on
the wings is in order. I wouldn't limit the inspection to the fuel
tanks, though, check the entire upper and lower surfaces to be safe.
Mike G.
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Jim,
I am about 6'5" and can't get my feet to the pedals in a model 4. In my
series 5 I am quite comfortable. I have NO padding on the seat, but I guess
the padding I carry around with me suffices.
Randy
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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 5 + room
How much more room, specifically leg room does the series 5 thru 7 have
than the previous models?
I'm 6' 6" and was quite cramped in a model 3. ( only in leg room , my
knees jambed against the panel.) I realize with my height I will
probably feel that way in most, more room the better.
I know the adjustable pedals will be forward..........
JR
> List, I am 6' and my weight I am sorry to say is 295 lbs. I can get in
> and out of my Kitfox II much easier than a Citabria, Aronica Champ or
> a Cessna 150. I know the IV is larger than the II so that may help
> some Don if someone inquires.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
Hi Michel,
I agree with Mike G. You need to do a careful
inspection and look for fabric seperating from a rib
or tank surface on the top. I expect that this is
hard to find since the fabric tension will hold it
down until you get enough lift on the spot.
Any inspection ideas for this from the list?
Michel, is your fabric stitched to the ribs?
Do take someone up with you and do the stall as
quietly as you can, power wise and headsets off, to
find it. Then stop doing stalls!
A very famous pilot named Steve Whitman lost his life
when his fabric seperated enough to cause flutter in
his wing. You don't want it to come loose!
Than again, sound testing in flight, you may find that
it is not in the wing and something else is bothering
you for attention. The baggage sack or other velcroed
part?
The normal indications for stall are shuttering in the
flight controls or entire plane, a flapping sound from
the wind seperating, control response way down (except
in a Fox) the rear window shuttering, that sudden
feeling that the bottom is just about to drop out.....
probably some others I am forgetting. But there
should be no tearing sound.
Our planes will tell us when they are hurting. We
just need to learn to listen and know what they are
saying.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> Michel sez:
>
> >...if any of you know the reason why I can hear a
> distinct sound
> >that reminds of fabric tearing as my model 3
> stalls, I'd appreciate
> >it.
>
> I'm sorry Michel, I thought you were kidding around.
> I never heard
> such a sound in my Model IV and I stalled and spun
> it many times. I
> think you are probably right, a careful inspection
> of the fabric on
> the wings is in order. I wouldn't limit the
> inspection to the fuel
> tanks, though, check the entire upper and lower
> surfaces to be safe.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
You could use a suction cup of the right strength to pull up on the fabric.
Could it be air coming in a place not normally in the stream except just at
stall?
Albert Smith
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Glenn
I have a model 2 on amphib floats .... but I do have the reinforced
attach points that were a factory option at the time.
I could probably find a photo of that area in my construction photos
if that would help.
Jim
I would think that
On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Glenn Horne wrote:
> Kitfox list,
> I have a model II with tube gear (factory)
> I'm trying to sell it and I need to know if
> floats can me put on it. It only has the two
> attachments points where the gear bolts to.
> Any one have a model II with floats?
> HELP
> Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
> MODEL II 582
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| Subject: | Re: Stall speed noise |
Michel
Are your wings rib stitched?? If not then perhaps you have fabric separation
at some location. Just a thought
Ted
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