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1. 02:30 AM - Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? (kurt schrader)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: Ski installation (Michel Verheughe)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds (Paul Seehafer)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Ski installation (Paul Seehafer)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Over-torqued GSC Prop (David Dawe)
7. 06:40 AM - Have a great Christmas, & 582 question (Dave G.)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Jet Man (Rexinator)
9. 07:59 AM - Re: Poly oil injection tank (Guy Buchanan)
10. 07:59 AM - Re: Have a great Christmas, & 582 question (Guy Buchanan)
11. 10:17 AM - GSC prop vs Ivo (nealscherm@comcast.net)
12. 10:47 AM - Re: Poly oil injection tank (Don Smythe)
13. 10:57 AM - Re: GSC prop vs Ivo (john perry)
14. 11:11 AM - Re: Poly oil injection tank (ron schick)
15. 11:17 AM - Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? (ron schick)
16. 11:59 AM - Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? (TC)
17. 12:29 PM - Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? (john perry)
18. 12:31 PM - Re: Have a great Christmas, & 582 question (fox5flyer)
19. 12:40 PM - Re: Have a great Christmas, & 582 question EIS (Aerobatics@aol.com)
20. 12:59 PM - Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? (Michel Verheughe)
21. 01:07 PM - Re: Skis for Kitfox's (john perry)
22. 01:19 PM - Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds (Michel Verheughe)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? (TC)
24. 03:13 PM - Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds (akflyer)
25. 04:26 PM - Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds (john perry)
26. 05:40 PM - Re: GSC prop vs Ivo (crazyivan)
27. 06:01 PM - Re: GSC prop vs Ivo (Joel)
28. 06:11 PM - No skis and four inches of snow (Joel)
29. 08:17 PM - Re: cruise speeds universe? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
30. 08:55 PM - Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? |
I agree Jim, a great deal. Wish someone had some good
tundra tires at such a low price that could take the
beating I would give them, ha ha.
Kurt S.
--- Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> wrote:
> That's exactly the way I saw it, too. But they
> sounded like such a
> good deal. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing
> something and missing out.
>
> Thanks, Jim Crowder
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds |
Hello Leni and Ron,
On Dec 22, 2006, at 3:55 AM, ron schick wrote:
> Hi Michel I think the undercamber in itself creates drag.
Of course! But maybe I misunderstood what was in that scanned article.
I understood that if Denney had used a lesser AoA at the fixation of
the wing's root to the fuselage, the models 1, 2 and 3 would fly
faster. And that is what I don't understand. But if I misread then ...
I understand! :-)
Happy holidays,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Ski installation |
On Dec 22, 2006, at 5:24 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> You need to remember that the ski is flying in the air
> and not on it like on the snow. With the curve up, it
> acts like the top of a wing upside down and lifts down
> in front.
Okay, I understand, Kurt. Hum, this was one of my concern when I first
installed the skis. Was the bungee tight enough to keep the skis
horizontal in flight? So, I opened the door, on the first test flight,
and saw that the aft retaining cable was tight, then I thought it was
okay and that the shape of the tip was aerodynamically holding the ski
nose-up.
Next time I install the skis (snow has first to come to Norway!) I will
use a dynamometer to see how much the bungees pull.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds |
Michel,
I'm not sure about your X-plane flight simulator, but if you check out books
on the subject of aerodynamics and aircraft design it might clear this up
for you better than I can. But I do think Leni did a pretty good job of
explaining it. By getting the wing incidence out of wack it makes the tail
have to compensate, and adds further drag.
This whole scenario was played out somewhat years ago when Piper created
their PA-12 Supercruiser. One of the things they did to make their new Fat
supercub airframe fly faster was to reduce the amount of positive wing
incidence. And it worked. Although they did lose a bit of the Supercub
STOL performance. But not much. Today with the higher horsepower
conversions done to both the PA-12 Supercruiser as well as the Supercub, you
can hardly notice any STOL loss on the SuperCruiser. Somewhat similar to
what we've experienced with the Kitfoxes.
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Older Kitfox cruise speeds
>
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Paul Seehafer wrote:
>> Sure, the newer Kitfox (Riblett) airfoil helps to make the newer Kitfoxes
>> cruise faster, but even if you were to put a new Riblett wing on an older
>> Kitfox, my guess is you wouldn't see a lot of cruise speed increase,
>> because there is just too much positive wing incidence causing a lot of
>> drag.
>
> Hello Paul,
> Since I read your email, yesterday, I have been thinking about this and I
> just can't figure out how it works. From the X-Plane flight simulator, I
> am used to make digital models. I don't know how it is done in real life
> but I guess it is done in relation to a reference line. Let's say, a line
> going from the prop hub to the end of the fuselage. From that, various
> airfoils can be built, each with a different angle of attack. I think
> angle of attack (AoA) is usually used as the angle to that reference line,
> where angle of incidence is the actual angle made by the apparent wind and
> the airfoil.
> If we look at the AoA, we see that, as it increases, the coefficient of
> lift and the coefficient of drag increase too. As speed increases and lift
> increases to the square of the speed, one has to push the stick to keep
> the plane at level flight.
> Now, if the actual attachment of the wings' root to the fuselage is
> different from one model to another, it means that, for the same speed,
> one plane will fly with a slightly greater nose-down attitude. But how
> does that influences the maximum speed you can achieve for a given engine
> horse power? My understanding is that an airfoil has a constant lift/drag
> ration for a given AoA. Did I miss something?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ski installation |
If skis are rigged properly, with proper tension and proper springs or
bungees, the tips will ALWAYS stay up in flight. Kitfoxes aren't capable of
such high speeds that they can pull the ski tips down. If they do, they
need heavier springs or bungees on the front cable.
Paul Seehafer
300 hour ski pilot using Avid wheel penetrations skis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski installation
>
> Kurt-
> Does this mean that once the ski-equipped plane slows to landing
> speed...and the ski stops producing lift...that the ski will then return
> to the normal (bungees relaxed) position...about 15 up, as I read here?
>
> Lynn
> On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:24 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
>
>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I Michel,
>>
>> You need to remember that the ski is flying in the air
>> and not on it like on the snow. With the curve up, it
>> acts like the top of a wing upside down and lifts down
>> in front. Once it goes down a little, it will pull
>> down hard because the axis is near the middle and not
>> forward of the center of pressure, which is around 25%
>> of the length.
>>
>> Merry Christmas,
>>
>> Kurt S.
>>
>> --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>>
>>> That's when I started wondering how a ski can tilt
>>> downward in flight.
>>> My opinion is that the shape of the ski tip would
>>> create an
>>> aero-dynamic pressure upward and landing with a ski
>>> pointing upward is
>>> certainly not the same hazard as when pointing down.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michel
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Over-torqued GSC Prop |
Merry Christmas to all!
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Over-torqued GSC Prop> From: dwaynemccourt@yahoo.co
m> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:17:15 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> >
s anyone had any sucess in shimming an apparently over torqued GSC three bl
ade on 912... ie; no gap, blades will start going out of pitch in 30-40 hou
rs. Someone has likely been sucessful in shimming this prop. I know this ma
y sound dangerous but it could be done safely too....> > > > > Read this to
pic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83056#830
==================> > >
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| Subject: | Have a great Christmas, & 582 question |
I'd like to thank those of you who have assited me in restoring the
Kitfox over the past many months and wish you the very best for
Christmas and also the New year. I'll have many more questions in the
future I have no doubt.
Just so the intolerant can manage to get past this message without
having a stroke, I have been reading a bit about engine monitors,
ignition and such for my 582 which should be checked over and possibly
rebuilt before flight as it has been sitting for a few years. I have the
standard analogue guages and was wondering about the electronic
versions. Any experiences?
As always, off line responses are probably best. occom@ns.sympatico.ca
Do not archive
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Just thought I'd add this direct link to the jet-man web site for those
interested.
http://www.jet-man.com/
Rexinator
Colorado
do not archive
Don Pearsall wrote:
> For those of you YouTube watchers here is an amazing video of a guy
> who straps a wing on his back with several rocket engines bolted to
> it, and then zooms around the (Swiss?) countryside. Just amazing.
>
>
>
> Oh and it is on topic because the launch plane looks kind of like a
> Kitfox.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dST-a5IU_h4
>
>
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Poly oil injection tank |
At 10:04 PM 12/22/2006, you wrote:
>Guy,
> The largest of the bottles looks almost exactly like
> mine. Sorry the site didn't give dimensions.
It's probably the same. My original came from Skystar. I purchased
it's replacement from US Plastics. I could not find the outlet that
Skystar was gluing to the bottom of their bottle so I did some
research and found a polyethylene bulkhead fitting for 1/4 NPT
threads. I mounted this to the bottom of the bottle using 2-part
polysulfide sealant. If you have access to plastic welding equipment
you could weld a fitting to the bottom; much better. I've also
recently discovered that there is such a thing as polyethylene
adhesive that might enable you to bond a boss to the bottom.
When I return home on the 4th I'll track down the source of my
bulkhead fitting. I couldn't find it again on-line.
Have a great Christmas Season!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
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| Subject: | Re: Have a great Christmas, & 582 question |
At 06:40 AM 12/23/2006, you wrote:
>I have the standard analogue guages and was wondering about the
>electronic versions. Any experiences?
I have the Grand Rapids EIS. I like it a lot, as it gives warnings
when my EGT peaks. I can't vouch for the reliability of even mine
since I've only got 55 hours on it. Customer service was great,
however, when I had trouble figuring out what wire to use for RPM. Oh
yes, it's very easy to install, with clear instructions.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
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Hey all,
I am looking at the Ivo and the GSC inflight adjustable props. Does anyone here
have any experience between the two?
I like the simplicity of the GSC but want the best cruise speed. Any input?
Thanks,
Neal
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Poly oil injection tank |
Guy,
I'm not real happy with gluing anything that holds my life in it's
hands. There might be some glues out there that work wonders with Poly but,
I'd prefer to put in a metal bulkhead fitting with threads/nuts/lockwire and
secure things like that.
Don Smythe
Do Not Archive
> It's probably the same. My original came from Skystar. I purchased it's
> replacement from US Plastics. I could not find the outlet that Skystar was
> gluing to the bottom of their bottle so I did
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop vs Ivo |
Neal i love my IVO 68" 3 blade inflight adjustable prop ITS awsome . I
could never get my 3 blade ground adjustable to perform like this IVO. .
Now I do like the looks of the GSC better the wood is beautiful . In a
water condition though like flying floats the IVO is much better . I
have not tried the GSC inflight though.
Good luck with your search for the rite prop .
Merry Christmas everyone
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: nealscherm@comcast.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC prop vs Ivo
Hey all,
I am looking at the Ivo and the GSC inflight adjustable props. Does
anyone here have any experience between the two?
I like the simplicity of the GSC but want the best cruise speed. Any
input?
Thanks,
Neal
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| Subject: | Re: Poly oil injection tank |
There is one on Barnstormers for a 5 I think. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poly oil injection tank
>Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:04:51 -0500
>
>
>Guy,
> The largest of the bottles looks almost exactly like mine. Sorry the
>site didn't give dimensions.
>
>Thanks
>Don Smythe
>Do Not Archive
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poly oil injection tank
>
>
>>
>>Don,
>> Check the following link to see if any of these bottles look like
>>yours. I'm away from my plane for a couple of weeks or I'd measure mine to
>>correlate.
>>
>>http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=15034&product%5Fid=14979
>>
>> Let me know if this looks like yours. First, though, ask John if
>>he's stocking any replacements at Kitfox. If not I'll talk you through how
>>I did my bottle.
>>
>>At 01:31 PM 12/22/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Guy,
>>> My tank was provided in the Kit from SS. It measures about 7" wide X
>>>8"-10" high and 3" deep.
>>>
>>>Don Smythe
>>>Do Not Archive
>>
>>Guy Buchanan
>>K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? |
I ordered two pair. If I ever mount them they will hopefully absorb the
beating. Ron NB Ore
>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:25:50 -0800 (PST)
>
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>I agree Jim, a great deal. Wish someone had some good
>tundra tires at such a low price that could take the
>beating I would give them, ha ha.
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> wrote:
>
> > That's exactly the way I saw it, too. But they
> > sounded like such a
> > good deal. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing
> > something and missing out.
> >
> > Thanks, Jim Crowder
> >
> > do not archive
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? |
Many of the 2 ply tires (particularly ATV) that we've been using on Foxes
for years don't even have a 700lb rating or a rotational speed rating that
meets the TO & landing speeds of the Kitfox...
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
I ordered two pair. If I ever mount them they will hopefully absorb the
beating. Ron NB Ore
>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:25:50 -0800 (PST)
>
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>I agree Jim, a great deal. Wish someone had some good
>tundra tires at such a low price that could take the
>beating I would give them, ha ha.
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> wrote:
>
> > That's exactly the way I saw it, too. But they
> > sounded like such a
> > good deal. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing
> > something and missing out.
> >
> > Thanks, Jim Crowder
> >
> > do not archive
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? |
I cant figure this one out . Take a 300-500 pound machine and jump it 30
feet or more in the air and come down hard and the tires do not blow up and
run the machine at 65-70 or even faster . I do believe the tires can handle
the speeds and the weight of the fox quite well. we are easier on the tires
than the ATV's are . I know I run atv's quite hard . AndI also fly my fox
with 2 ply tire and land on some very unforgiving ground . the tires I am
now using are the Kends tires i like the lugs on them better than the
original Cheng shin tires that Kitfox used with the lugs ground off. I do
not get flats now and they look cool on the off road airplane .
Merry Christmas everyone
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "TC" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>
> Many of the 2 ply tires (particularly ATV) that we've been using on Foxes
> for years don't even have a 700lb rating or a rotational speed rating that
> meets the TO & landing speeds of the Kitfox...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I ordered two pair. If I ever mount them they will hopefully absorb the
> beating. Ron NB Ore
>
>
>>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:25:50 -0800 (PST)
>>
>><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>>I agree Jim, a great deal. Wish someone had some good
>>tundra tires at such a low price that could take the
>>beating I would give them, ha ha.
>>
>>Kurt S.
>>
>>--- Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > That's exactly the way I saw it, too. But they
>> > sounded like such a
>> > good deal. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing
>> > something and missing out.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Jim Crowder
>> >
>> > do not archive
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Have a great Christmas, & 582 question |
I have in the neighborhood of 350 hours on mine. No problems ever.
Deke
>
>At 06:40 AM 12/23/2006, you wrote:
>>I have the standard analogue guages and was wondering about the
>>electronic versions. Any experiences?
>
>I have the Grand Rapids EIS. I like it a lot, as it gives warnings
>when my EGT peaks. I can't vouch for the reliability of even mine
>since I've only got 55 hours on it. Customer service was great,
>however, when I had trouble figuring out what wire to use for RPM. Oh
>
>yes, it's very easy to install, with clear instructions.
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
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| Subject: | Re: Have a great Christmas, & 582 question EIS |
I used to have one on another plane and totally I agree LOVED it.... I
have steam gauges now and they work fine but the EIS was a great system... just
hate to replace a good working system, but if I had a choice, the EIS would
certainly be my choice
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? |
On Dec 23, 2006, at 9:27 PM, john perry wrote:
> I cant figure this one out . Take a 300-500 pound machine and jump it
> 30 feet or more in the air and come down hard and the tires do not
> blow up and run the machine at 65-70 or even faster
When I was looking for new tyres, I noticed that they are rated for a
maximum speed and a maximum weight. But, I believe, this is meant for a
constant speed and weight over a certain time. Admittedly, when we
land, we may experience up to 2 Gs i.e. twice our weight. But that is
only for a very short lap of time. When we slow down or take off, if we
reach say 50 MPH or even more, the wings are already taking much of the
weight on the tyres, aren't they?
In any case, I was considering the MIPPI tyres long before they came at
a bargain price, but unfortunately they are much too wide to fit in my
wheel penetration skis.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Skis for Kitfox's |
40LBS of skis for $3600. yes three thousand six hundread big ones . I
dont think so . these are for the so called certified aircraft . Now if
they got them down to around 10 pounds each and a reasonable 500 bucks
then they would probably be worth the money . If you read on the website
after certification the price is going up more, what a rip off .
I wish the company well in there endevores
Merry Christmas everyone
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Kfyellowbird@cs.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skis for Kitfox's
Lynn-Check out trickair.com. They make what you are looking for.
Lowell N560KF
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| Subject: | Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds |
On Dec 23, 2006, at 3:05 AM, Paul Seehafer wrote:
> By getting the wing incidence out of wack it makes the tail have to
> compensate, and adds further drag.
Yes, Paul, I understand that and while I will always take a simulator
with a grain of salt, mine does a pretty good job at modelling things
like that. I am always amazed to see how changing one degree in the AoA
of the horizontal stab, or moving the CoG a couple of inches, changes
entirely the flight model, stall, etc.
I am not contesting the Kitfox article, nor the Piper engineers, I
merely try to understand how this works because if I learn something
today, then it is a good day.
Here is an hypothesis: The day Mr Denney sat and drew the first Kitfox,
as he made the line that would define the AoA of the wing, a fly came
to rest on his pencil. In a quantum of time, two different universes
came to exist: One where he drew the intended line, as it as now; and
another one where he was distracted by the fly and his ruler slid
slightly down thus making a line with a lesser AoA.
In both universes, now moving in their own individual existence, it
resulted in a constructed plane. In the first one, Mr Denney - after
the first test flight - realises that to keep a proper balance, the
horizontal stab has to be modified to keep the nose slightly up. In
the other universe, he decides - for the same reason - that it has to
be modified to keep the nose slightly down.
The question then is: Will the Kitfox in one universe - with the same
engine, etc. - fly slower than the Kitfox in the other universe?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Kit Fox Tires only $2.50? |
Exactly my point John. I'll bet many folks would be surprised if they
investigated the specs of their tires.
I have two sets of the King Foxes on the way myself. I may put some tubes
in them just for the rocks & thorns. Without lugs the slicks are a little
more puncture prone :^)
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
I cant figure this one out . Take a 300-500 pound machine and jump it 30
feet or more in the air and come down hard and the tires do not blow up and
run the machine at 65-70 or even faster . I do believe the tires can handle
the speeds and the weight of the fox quite well. we are easier on the tires
than the ATV's are . I know I run atv's quite hard . AndI also fly my fox
with 2 ply tire and land on some very unforgiving ground . the tires I am
now using are the Kends tires i like the lugs on them better than the
original Cheng shin tires that Kitfox used with the lugs ground off. I do
not get flats now and they look cool on the off road airplane .
Merry Christmas everyone
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "TC" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>
> Many of the 2 ply tires (particularly ATV) that we've been using on Foxes
> for years don't even have a 700lb rating or a rotational speed rating that
> meets the TO & landing speeds of the Kitfox...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> I ordered two pair. If I ever mount them they will hopefully absorb the
> beating. Ron NB Ore
>
>
>>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox Tires only $2.50?
>>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:25:50 -0800 (PST)
>>
>><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>>I agree Jim, a great deal. Wish someone had some good
>>tundra tires at such a low price that could take the
>>beating I would give them, ha ha.
>>
>>Kurt S.
>>
>>--- Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > That's exactly the way I saw it, too. But they
>> > sounded like such a
>> > good deal. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing
>> > something and missing out.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Jim Crowder
>> >
>> > do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds |
has someone been hitting the kitfox holiday eggnog a little early????
or are they watching kitfox Xfiles????
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Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
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| Subject: | Re: Older Kitfox cruise speeds |
I can answer this one .
In one universe the air is more dense than the other so both Kitfoxes are
flying at the same speed .
Cheers
Merry Christmas everyone
IN the holiday spirit uhhh holliday spirits in me lol
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop vs Ivo |
Look at the list topic I started last month for my numbers. IVO is a great prop,
but that is in comparison to a 10 year old GSC.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=17756
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: GSC prop vs Ivo |
If you have a 100hp Rotax engine don't use the Warp Drive blades with the GSC /
GTA in-flight adjustable pitch prop as per Daryl with Warp Drive. If you have
the 80hp 912 and are interested in the GTA / Warp Drive combination please contact
me off list.
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Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | No skis and four inches of snow |
Woke up this morning to 4 inches of snow but clearing conditions, so I went out
to the airport full of hope. After tinkering for a couple of hours waiting for
the fog to lift I decided to try taxiing my model 5 with tricycle tube gear
for a bit. It took a lot more throttle to get her moving (kind of like me on a
cold day) and ground handling was a little odd. Despite my pleadings the fog
never lifted although pale blue could be seen when looking straight up. Hope Santa
has better luck with visibility for his flight tomorrow night. Merry Christmas!
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Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: cruise speeds universe? |
you may want to be careful with your analogy fly, s and all. we had a guy
around for a while talking about blue coolaid and we finely had to chase him
off. mal
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| Subject: | Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this |
?
Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S to the
Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered to only two
inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb pusher, but many Kitfoxes
use the same class engines and props, so im hoping someone here might know the
answer to this.
All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way through from
the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this spacer the entire
load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of aluminum. After reading stories
of high streingth bolts breaking on occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches
of aluminum could be safe to transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever
seen a prop adapter / spacer like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let
the entire prop fly into the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any
thought you may have would be appreciated.
Michael A. Bigelow
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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