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1. 02:40 AM - Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (JC Propellerdesign)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (Clem Nichols)
3. 09:20 AM - Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (Guy Buchanan)
4. 09:48 AM - ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (dave)
5. 10:55 AM - A Christmas Wish from Grant Bright (Grant Bright)
6. 11:05 AM - Kitfox to look at (Don Smythe)
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Have a great Christmas, (Larry Martin)
8. 01:02 PM - ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen o (akflyer)
9. 01:08 PM - Re: No skis and four inches of snow (akflyer)
10. 01:58 PM - Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (noel anderson)
11. 03:18 PM - Painting Alclad aluminum (Clem Nichols)
12. 03:29 PM - Re: ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (noel anderson)
13. 03:29 PM - Re: ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like this ? (QSS)
14. 03:40 PM - Re: Painting Alclad aluminum (nealscherm@comcast.net)
15. 04:55 PM - Auto pilot in a 5-7 (nealscherm@comcast.net)
16. 04:59 PM - Re: Painting Alclad aluminum (Clem Nichols)
17. 06:08 PM - Re: ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen o (Lynn Matteson)
18. 08:47 PM - FW: Kitfox List (nealscherm@comcast.net)
19. 08:54 PM - 2006! (Torgeir Mortensen)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like |
this ?
In General it is not the bolt that prevent the flange, prop or hub
extension to move relative to each other it is the friction between them
from the squeezing effect of the bolts, if the torque of the bolts is
not enough the bolts will be sheered off in a short time.
The small diameter of the hub extension is a different issue, it have to
be analyzed and tested on each engine that take it. it is a big
different from a 912 and 912 -S the torque of engine isn't the big thing
here but torsion vibrations, and the -S is reported to be hard in this
respect, there is additional items to add to the gearbox, making it a
little better, but it is an option.
Jan Carlsson
jcpropellerdesign
----- Original Message -----
From: JetPilot
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one
like this ?
Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax
912-S to the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is
tapered to only two inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb
pusher, but many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and props, so im
hoping someone here might know the answer to this.
All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way
through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this
spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of
aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on
occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to
transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter /
spacer like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop
fly into the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought
you may have would be appreciated.
Michael A. Bigelow
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
you could have !!!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83331#83331
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like |
this ?
All other considerations aside, I think one important consideration would be
if it is cast aluminum or cut from a solid billet. It it's cast, I wouldn't
trust it for a minute.
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like
this ?
>
> Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S to
> the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered to
> only two inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb pusher, but
> many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and props, so im hoping someone
> here might know the answer to this.
>
> All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way
> through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this
> spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of
> aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on
> occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to
> transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer
> like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into
> the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may have
> would be appreciated.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83331#83331
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like |
this ?
At 08:54 PM 12/23/2006, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer like this ? Is this
>very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into the back of my
>Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may have would be
>appreciated.
It looks nicely made, with adequate radii. Certainly the engine-side
flange looks big enough! I would guess it's turned from billet but
Clem's right, the material is important. Jan's right too, that the
static thrust and torque loads are generally insignificant in the
design of drive components. Much more important are the loads
resulting from harmonic amplification of the engine's natural torque
pulses. Given the right combination of engine / spacer / prop it is
possible to generate enough resonance to be a problem. In the
certificated world there are some engine / prop combinations which
are forbidden for just this reason. Others have cautionary operating
regions where resonances occur that are harmful, but not catastrophically so.
The answer to your question is that the spacer can only be considered
"safe" if your exact engine / spacer / prop combination has been
tested, either on the bench, or in flight, for a given number of
hours. (The airframe might also contribute to the response, but these
engines are typically so softly mounted that you might be able to
discount the airframe. Certainly any test will want to use a similar
mounting system so the engine vibrates similarly to your aircraft.)
The spacer could then be considered "safe" up to, and only up to,
some fraction of that number of hours. If you can find no such
testing then, guess what, YOU'RE THE TEST PILOT! Neat, huh?
Looking at your spacer, and based on my experience in the world of
recreational engineering, (that's engineering FOR the recreational
industry, not engineering AS recreation,) a really good designer
would start with the 912 output shaft dimensions. If they were
really, really good they might do some hardness testing of that shaft
to estimate its hardness. They then could design an aluminum "shaft"
by similarity to give equivalent fatigue life. Unfortunately this
design would completely ignore any system resonance modification
induced by the spacer. And more unfortunately, the aluminum spacer
will act as a relatively low frequency spring with negligible
damping, capable of dramatically increasing the system resonance. I
suppose a really, really, really good engineer would mount the stock
engine / prop combo and run it festooned with accelerometers in an
attempt to determine the system harmonics. They could then install
the spacer and confirm the system response was NO WORSE across the
entire operating range of the engine. You could then feel confident
the spacer had not decreased the reliability of the system FOR THAT
ENGINE / SPACER / PROP COMBINATION. You would, of course, have to run
this test for every engine / prop combo.
Finally note that I have quite obviously neglected the increase
bending loads in the 912 output shaft caused by the increased prop
offset. This works to reduce the fatigue life of the output shaft and
bearings, particularly if the prop is not perfectly balanced. You
would definitely want to make sure your system was dynamically
balanced fairly often to mitigate this detriment.
I've given you all this information mostly because I like to hear
myself talk, ;-) but also to give you some questions to ask the
spacer's designer. It's even odds you're operating as a test pilot.
What do you do then? First you get parachutes for you and your
passengers. (A BRS obviously counts.) Then you always fly high enough
to use them. (You'll be at risk during take-off and landing.) Then
you decide how long you want to do the test. To do that you note that
you're going to replace a big chunk of the Rotax output system plus
the spacer at some hours interval. (Let's say the output shaft,
bearings, and spacer.) The cost of that replacement will help you
determine how many hours you want to run between replacements. (Note
that you don't get to fly up to the number of hours you tested, but
only to a fraction of those hours to account for variations in
fatigue life. What's the fraction? I don't know off the top of my
head, but we could probably come up with a conservative value with
some investigation.)
Now I'd really better shut-up. Good luck!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV/1200 w/ 582 C-box & Warp 3 blade
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen |
one like this ?
What does this have to do with Kitfox ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 11:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like
this ?
>
> Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S to
> the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered to
> only two inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb pusher, but
> many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and props, so im hoping someone
> here might know the answer to this.
>
> All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way
> through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this
> spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of
> aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on
> occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to
> transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer
> like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into
> the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may have
> would be appreciated.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83331#83331
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbpropspacer12_19_2006_41_104.jpg
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| Subject: | A Christmas Wish from Grant Bright |
May Santa grant you
the serenity to
accept the gifts you cannot return,
the courage to exchange the presents you can,
and the receipts
to know the difference!
Merry Christmas
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| Subject: | Kitfox to look at |
All,
I have a person interested in my Fox. He is 6'3" @240#. He is located
in Orem Utah (about 30 miles south of Salt Lake City) and has never really
seen a kitfox. He is willing to travel up to 150 miles to look/sit/possibly
fly in a Kitfox. Is there anyone in that area that could give the guy a
look and at least let him sit in one. Quite frankly, I told him not to even
consider purchasing a Kitfox or anything else until he could at least see
one. He's operating on the Kitfox reputation only.
Thanks,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Have a great Christmas, |
Dave,
I have been using the EMS -582 for several years now and can highly
recommend it as a less expensive choice than the EIS.
http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/SmartSingles/smartsingl
es.html
Merry Christmas
larry
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| Subject: | Re: ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen o |
duhhhhh... didya read the original post ??????
"This setup is on a Kolb pusher, but many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and
props, so im hoping someone here might know the answer to this."
if you read above I think it may answer your question.....
Have you and Michael been sharing the egg nogg ??? just wondering lol..
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83428#83428
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| Subject: | Re: No skis and four inches of snow |
yikes...
Years ago I grabbed the 152 from the local club to go spot carribou. After 3 hrs
I had to swing into Port Alsworth as nature was screaming in my ear to "pull
over". There was 4-6" of fresh fluffy snow on the runway, but I figured what
the heck.. its 3000' long so it would not be a problem.. Landing was VERY short,
and takeoff was aborted twice before I finally got that pig into the air...
I had many soft field takeoffs in the plane before but never in snow....I
would never have thought in a million years that only that little amount of snow
would have that much drag.
Now I dont set one down unless I am on big tundra tires (31") or skis / full lotus
floats.
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83429#83429
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one like |
this ?
Hi Team .
I hope you all have very Happy Christmas.. Re the Prop
spacer (if it's cast)...............It depends on several factors, what type
of Al. is it made from, under what conditions was it cast, what was the
casting medium,(die or sand, low presure or high) heat treated or not. To
make the statment that one would "not trust it for a moment" is to not know
the facts. Casting are used in every aircraft that ever left the ground, the
wing pivot on F111 is one of the largest. Not one WW2 aircraft was built
without castings, especially engine parts, as with everything, if it's
properly engineered, and not done "on the cheap" it will be "fit for use" .
I think the main problem with this spacer, could be one of balance, thus
putting stress on the engine/gearbox bearings, how often is the full 100hp
used or should be used??? Just my 2cents!!!!
Fly Safe Noel (5th
generation foundryman with 55yrs in the game) SAANZ SP2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one
like this ?
>
> All other considerations aside, I think one important consideration would
> be if it is cast aluminum or cut from a solid billet. It it's cast, I
> wouldn't trust it for a minute.
>
> Clem Nichols
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:54 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one
> like this ?
>
>
>>
>> Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S
>> to the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered
>> to only two inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb pusher,
>> but many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and props, so im hoping
>> someone here might know the answer to this.
>>
>> All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way
>> through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this
>> spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of
>> aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on
>> occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to
>> transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer
>> like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into
>> the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may
>> have would be appreciated.
>>
>> Michael A. Bigelow
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
>> could have !!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83331#83331
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbpropspacer12_19_2006_41_104.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbdetail12_20_2006_112_208.jpg
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| Subject: | Painting Alclad aluminum |
What type of surface preparation is necessary before applying paint to
2024 Alclad aluminum?
Clem Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever |
seen one like this ?
It has to do with safety..... even KF's have to be safe!!!!!
Fly Safe Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:48 AM
Subject: ? ? ? Re: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen
one like this ?
>
> What does this have to do with Kitfox ?
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 11:54 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one
> like this ?
>
>
>>
>> Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S
>> to the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered
>> to only two inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb pusher,
>> but many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and props, so im hoping
>> someone here might know the answer to this.
>>
>> All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way
>> through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this
>> spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of
>> aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on
>> occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to
>> transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer
>> like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into
>> the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may
>> have would be appreciated.
>>
>> Michael A. Bigelow
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
>> could have !!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83331#83331
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbpropspacer12_19_2006_41_104.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbdetail12_20_2006_112_208.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever |
seen one like this ?
Hi Dave, I have a friend with an Australian Light Wing. (Not as good as a
Kitfox :) and he has the same prop with a 2" spacer also. As an indication
of their ability to do the job, he hit a cow that ran into his takeoff role
and he hit it smack bang in the rear end. It completely destroyed the Kiev
as they are a foam filed hollow prop but the spacer was returned to service
without a blemish.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 3:48 AM
Subject: ? ? ? Re: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen
one like this ?
>
> What does this have to do with Kitfox ?
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 11:54 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen one
> like this ?
>
>
>>
>> Here are some pictures of the prop spacer that goes from my Rotax 912-S
>> to the Kiev Hot Prop. It is made out of aluminum and the shaft is tapered
>> to only two inches at its narrow point. This setup is on a Kolb pusher,
>> but many Kitfoxes use the same class engines and props, so im hoping
>> someone here might know the answer to this.
>>
>> All the spacers I have ever seen have the prop bolts go all the way
>> through from the prop hub to the steel engine output flange. With this
>> spacer the entire load is transmitted to the prop through 2 inches of
>> aluminum. After reading stories of high streingth bolts breaking on
>> occasion, I am wonding how just 2 inches of aluminum could be safe to
>> transmit 100 HP to the prop. Has anyone ever seen a prop adapter / spacer
>> like this ? Is this very likely to fail and let the entire prop fly into
>> the back of my Kolb ? Would you guys trust this ? Any thought you may
>> have would be appreciated.
>>
>> Michael A. Bigelow
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
>> could have !!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83331#83331
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbpropspacer12_19_2006_41_104.jpg
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> --
> 22/12/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Alclad aluminum |
Hey Clem,
I would suggest using Scotchbrite green pads, then clean with solvent or soap and
warm water and then use an etching primer. I like DuPont's best.....
Neal
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
What type of surface preparation is necessary before applying paint to 2024 Alclad
aluminum?
Clem Nichols
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<DIV>Hey Clem,</DIV>
<DIV>I would suggest using Scotchbrite green pads, then clean with solvent
or soap and warm water and then use an etching primer. I like DuPont's best.....</DIV>
<DIV>Neal</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What type of surface preparation is necessary before
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| Subject: | Auto pilot in a 5-7 |
Has anyone installed an autopilot in a series 5 or later? What brand? Any pictures
of the installation?
Merry Christmas,
Neal
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<DIV>Has anyone installed an autopilot in a series 5 or later? What brand? Any
pictures of the installation?</DIV>
<DIV>Merry Christmas,</DIV>
<DIV>Neal</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Alclad aluminum |
Neal:
Thanks a bunch.
Clem Nichols
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From: nealscherm@comcast.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting Alclad aluminum
Hey Clem,
I would suggest using Scotchbrite green pads, then clean with solvent
or soap and warm water and then use an etching primer. I like DuPont's
best.....
Neal
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From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
What type of surface preparation is necessary before applying paint
to 2024 Alclad aluminum?
Clem Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: ? ? ? Re: Prop Spacer for 912-S - Has anyone ever seen |
o
It helps if you include a line or two FROM the original post just to
refresh our memories when replying...that is an act that has been
missing from a LOT of replies lately, and maybe it's time for our
moderators to remind us about this (although we ought to know this by
now).
Lynn
On Dec 24, 2006, at 4:02 PM, akflyer wrote:
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> duhhhhh... didya read the original post ??????
>
>
> "This setup is on a Kolb pusher, but many Kitfoxes use the same
> class engines and props, so im hoping someone here might know the
> answer to this."
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> if you read above I think it may answer your question.....
>
> Have you and Michael been sharing the egg nogg ??? just wondering
> lol..
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> Leni
> Avid C W/582
> 1260 full lotus
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> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83428#83428
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Merry Christmas to the Kitfox Family and Friends !!
The New Year is going to be very exciting !!
John & Debra McBean
Kitfox Aircraft
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Hi, Dear Kitfox Friend!
Suddenly -a year is past -almost, oh., how fast the times go by..
Here's a little picture of me, (that) I did not know about, -shot by my
son in May this year..
You see, I'm ready for the first flight.....
Now, take care, every one of you- and fly safe.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone of You.
Best regards
Torgeir.
Pan, Pan, Pan....
Also, a special greetings, to my friend in the south of Norway, Michel.
(Ok., here's a link to a special site, in the North ...
http://www.kvalsund.kommune.no/index.php?cat=37032&id=0&pf=19926&f
older=19927
Enjoy the pictures and see my place; "the years picture of a Fox" shot b
y
Paal Reidar Fredriksen, -yes this is from my place, just a couple miles
North...
I'll got the link to this site yesterday, from one of my best friend, I
haven't seen for years (who shot all this pictures).)
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