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1. 05:39 AM - Re: Rotax 582 (tc9008@aol.com)
2. 05:48 AM - Removing Scratches from Windshields (Guy Buchanan)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: dead-stick topic (Michel Verheughe)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years (Michel Verheughe)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel (Michel Verheughe)
6. 08:25 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years (kitfoxmike)
7. 08:34 AM - Rotax 582 (Larry Martin)
8. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years (Dave G.)
9. 09:33 AM - Broken Skylight (Tinne maha)
10. 09:53 AM - 912 FWF instructions (Brent E Bidus)
11. 10:09 AM - Re: 912 FWF instructions (kitfoxmike)
12. 10:16 AM - Re: Broken Skylight (kitfoxmike)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: 912 FWF instructions (Lowell Fitt)
14. 10:52 AM - Re: Rotax 582 (ron schick)
15. 10:56 AM - 912s install in a series 7 (nealscherm@comcast.net)
16. 11:00 AM - Re: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel (ron schick)
17. 12:23 PM - Re: Possible overheating and EGT question (S.A.)
18. 12:39 PM - Re: 912 FWF instructions (Lynn Matteson)
19. 02:40 PM - Re: 912 FWF instructions (Brent E Bidus)
20. 02:40 PM - Avid Flyer accident. WAS: dead-stick topic (Michel Verheughe)
21. 02:48 PM - Rotax 912 FWF relay question (Brent E Bidus)
22. 05:18 PM - Re: Rotax 912 FWF relay question (Lowell Fitt)
23. 05:58 PM - Re: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel (john perry)
24. 06:16 PM - Re: Avid Flyer accident. WAS: dead-stick topic (ron schick)
25. 06:21 PM - Re: Rotax VS Volks wagon (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
26. 08:52 PM - Re: Rotax VS Volks wagon (ron schick)
27. 11:31 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:32 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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I have a kitfox IV w/582 and cruise at 5800 @5 gph
Travis
-----Original Message-----
From: f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net
Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582
Tell me what you with 582 Rotax experience for average hourly fuel burn? What power
settings that you use for cruise? (RPM)
Frank
Clarkston, Washington
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12/31/2006 12:47 PM
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| Subject: | Removing Scratches from Windshields |
This is a cross-post from the Lancair list. I can't vouch for it but
it has some good points not mentioned before. I'm posting it to get
it into the archives.
Steps:
1. Begin every project like this by cleaning the item just use dish
soap and a soft cloth, no abrasives yet.
2. Before we begin sanding here is some helpful tips to ensure a proper finish:
Tips/Rules for Sanding:
* (Optional) Sand face of entire surface, not just the scratched
area this creates a smoother finish that is free from depressions.
* It is preferable to wet sand under a light stream of water
which is better than simply wetting the surface and the sandpaper.
* When going up in grit number (finer grit) wash surface,
preferably with dish soap to make sure the surface is free of lower
grit particles.
* When switching from one grit to the other sand in a different
direction (up and down, now left and right) this way you can easily
gauge your progress in removing the lower grit's sand lines. To view
these lines while wet simply hold surface at an angle to the light.
* Use room temperature to cold water temps for wet sanding.
* On flat surfaces it is easier to wrap the sandpaper around a
smooth wooden or hard plastic block this gives you more leverage and
can give a more uniform surface in the end on flat/square pieces.
* With plastics, BEWARE of the cutting power of sandpaper you
will be amazed how easy it is to sand down plastics.
* Wet sanding will cut less efficiently than dry sanding but
produces a better finish and is all but required on 600 grit or
higher sanding work.
* If dry sanding remember to fully dry the surface to sand for
the best results.
3. With Medium to deep scratches start with 400 grit paper, wet
sandpaper and surface and begin sanding in whatever way feels
comfortable. After only 15 seconds or so look at the scratch(es). If
they are starting to soften or are even completely gone keep sanding
until they are gone. If no progress was made at all go to step 3a.
3a. Major scratches or plastics/resins that are exceptionally hard
will require more time/effort and so starting at a lower grit
sandpaper will reduce that time/effort. Jump down to 220, scratch for
a few seconds, check, scratch some more, check. When the scratches
are gone IMMEDIATELY clean the surface and move up to 320 grit
different direction until the 220 scratches are gone. Then move back
to 400 wet and use until 320 scratches are gone.
4. Work your way up slowly from 400 to 600 to 800 to 1000 to 1500 to
2000 or even 3000 or higher if you choose (3000 produces an almost
perfect finish by itself). Make sure to complete sanding the
scratches left at a specific grit before going to a higher number!!!!
Otherwise you'll have to go back down and re-sand all over.
5. Now that you have a smooth finish that has a very light matte look
you are almost done make sure to wash THOROUGHLY before the next step
and wipe dry with a very soft cloth and give it a couple of minutes
to let it air dry.
6. Take out the rubbing/polishing cloth and Rubbing Compound. Squirt
a bit on the surface and a bit on the cloth. Begin to vigorously rub
the compound on the surface as if you are sanding rub until product
completely disappears or dries out apply some more and rub some more
until there is a PERFECTLY clear surface or Mirror shine, flawless
finish on a colored plastic.
7. Lightly dampen the other end of the polishing cloth and wipe off
excess rubbing compound from surface again dry with soft towel and
let dry for several minutes.
8. (Optional) Apply a layer of Meguiar's NXT wax to really shine
things up let haze and polish off, then let wax coat harden by
letting the surface dry for a couple of hours.
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| Subject: | Re: dead-stick topic |
On Dec 31, 2006, at 4:58 AM, QSS wrote:
> Imp afraid I don't know how many times it takes to prepare you for the
> real thing.
I don't know either, Graeme. If you go to this site:
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/index.html
then look at "Last Words," in the menu, you'll see from the cockpit
voice recordings that some professional pilots keep professional to
their last words - as if they were robots; while others loose control
of their feelings.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years |
On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Yeah, as Frank Sinatra once sang: "it was a very good year...." : )
... and for 2007, he sings, "Come fly with me" or even "Fly me to the
moon!" :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel |
On Dec 31, 2006, at 7:03 PM, dave wrote:
> Could that sound be simular to the one i mentioned in this post ?
Yes Dave, it could.
On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> I don't suppose your elevator hinges are a bit loose??
Yes, Noel, it could.
On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Dee Young wrote:
> How about the turtle deck drumming.
Yes, Dee, it could.
Thanks for your answers, guys. I think I feel better knowing it's not a
wing. I did lift my headset to hear better (but with the engine on) and
it is definitively coming from right hand and behind me. I'll need a
passenger to do more hearing observation. Yet a new reason to go out
flying! Wow, cool! :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years |
Nice list, a very good accomplishment. Lets see, what's on mine.
I finished my wings for the rv and recieved the fuse kit, woops wrong list.
Kitfox: Oh ya, I flew 242 flights, with over 250hrs. I went to Arlington, which
I always wanted to do in the kitfox. Made it to 5 fly-ins. Got into a very
nice T-hangar, way cool. All in all, had a very good year.
My goal for this year, to beat out 2006 of course, more flights, more fly-ins,
more fun. Have a safe 2007.
--------
kitfoxmike
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I'm seeing 4usg/h at 5400 rpm / 74 mph. This is with a 3:1 C box and a
74x48 wood prop.
larry
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years |
This smacks of the type of stuff that the list-nazi attacks for, but- I
bought my model IV this year, and am partially done repairing it. Thanks to
those who offered advice and assistance. New years afternoon finds me
enjoying one of the bottles given by friends and enjoying my yearly feast of
roast chestnuts.
Do not archive- in fact disregard it completely
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: OFF TOPIC...about New Years
>
> Nice list, a very good accomplishment. Lets see, what's on mine.
>
> I finished my wings for the rv and recieved the fuse kit, woops wrong
> list.
>
> Kitfox: Oh ya, I flew 242 flights, with over 250hrs. I went to Arlington,
> which I always wanted to do in the kitfox. Made it to 5 fly-ins. Got
> into a very nice T-hangar, way cool. All in all, had a very good year.
>
> My goal for this year, to beat out 2006 of course, more flights, more
> fly-ins, more fun. Have a safe 2007.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84816#84816
>
>
>
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Happy New Year to all,
I'm about 12 hours into phase I testing of my S-5 TD with Lyc. Everything
was going great until I decided to try slips yesterday. Left aileron, right
rudder no problem (IAS = 65 mph), but right aileron, left rudder (same
airspeed) & a sudden 'bang' took about 3 or 4 square feet off the skylight
portion of my continuous windscreen/skylight. A little shook up, I slowly
went straight home & landed without further incident. Among other things,
I'm thankful that it happened with just me and 4000' of altitude near home
base rather than with an unsuspecting passenger in a remote place on final.
Before I state what I believe the cause to be, has anyone else had this
experience? I couldn't find anything in the archives.
Thanks,
Grant Krueger
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| Subject: | 912 FWF instructions |
Does anyone have a PDF file for installing a Rotax 912 in a Classic 4
speedster? I just moved back from overseas and can't locate my manual
right now.
Where is the recommended location for the battery in a Classic 4
Speedster with 912 engine? I seem to remember it being right behind the
instrument panel, but I don't have the welded tabs that I remember it
saying to bolt the battery box to. I do have a tray behind the pax seat.
Thanks and Happy New Year. Perhaps this will be the year my Kitfox
flies.
Brent Bidus
Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Re: 912 FWF instructions |
My battery is an ODyssey pc535, great battery, it's location is on the left side
of the firewall, inside the cabin. My elt is mounted on the try you speak of
behind the seat.
model 4 speedster, 912ul
kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Skylight |
I had my skylight lift and brake off the wood in the right rear corner, didn't
notice it until in flight, was lifted up about an inch in flight and settled down
when on the ground. I was able to just put angle pieces of aluminum at the
rib that the winscreen attatches to. Sounds like you're going to have to replace
the windscreen. I also have a problem with the rivits being pulled out
on the right front at the bend. I did find a solution, and that is to heat the
windscreen as you install with a heat gun at the bends. Try practicing with
a scrap piece, you will be amazed at how it bends and keeps it's form. What
I did for now was take all my bends on the windscreen and heated them, I could
here everything creek and settle in. This summer I plan on doing another install
and plan on heating the bends as I install, should be a much eisier install
and should no longer have a problem with brakage.
--------
kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: 912 FWF instructions |
Brent,
My battery box was mounted to the firewall on the pilot side. Now it is in
approximately the same location but in a tray mounted to the tubing on the
side with adel clamps. I went to a sealed battery and it doesn't require a
battery box. Sorry on the PDF files.
I could send a picture if you want to see it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent E Bidus" <brentbidus@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 FWF instructions
>
> Does anyone have a PDF file for installing a Rotax 912 in a Classic 4
> speedster? I just moved back from overseas and can't locate my manual
> right now.
>
> Where is the recommended location for the battery in a Classic 4
> Speedster with 912 engine? I seem to remember it being right behind the
> instrument panel, but I don't have the welded tabs that I remember it
> saying to bolt the battery box to. I do have a tray behind the pax seat.
>
>
> Thanks and Happy New Year. Perhaps this will be the year my Kitfox
> flies.
>
> Brent Bidus
> Colorado Springs
>
>
>
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Laugh all you want, but I threw a VW in the Kitfox and burn 3-3.5 gph. Lazy
on climb, but goes 92 kts. Ron NB Ore
>From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582
>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:54:33 -0600
>
>Frank
>At 5800 rpm i get 4.5 gallon now at 6200 i get 6 gallon an hour . normal
>cruise is 5800 at 65 knots and 6200 at 75-80 knots indicated in higher
>headwinds i will run 6500 and burn 6.5 gallon
>
>John Perry
>Kitfox 2 N718PD
>582 cbox 2:62-1
>IVO inflight 3 blade 68"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank Miles
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:40 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582
>
>
> Tell me what you with 582 Rotax experience for average hourly fuel burn?
>What power settings that you use for cruise? (RPM)
>
>
> Frank
>
> Clarkston, Washington
>
>
> --
> 12/31/2006 12:47 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | 912s install in a series 7 |
Does anyone have the instructions for installing the 912 in a 5-7? The kit I bought
doesn't have them and it looks a little more complex than I tought it would
be.
Thanks,
Neal
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| Subject: | Re: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel |
We lost an Avid on Saturday. Dale Wilson lost power and did not survive his
landing in what appears to be a nice field. May have been wires or other
reason to stall, but nosed in and flipped. Perhaps practice would have
prevented this. Ron NB Ore
ps see Oregonlive.com for news article.
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel Date: Mon,
>1 Jan 2007 16:36:38 +0100
>
>
>On Dec 31, 2006, at 7:03 PM, dave wrote:
>>Could that sound be simular to the one i mentioned in this post ?
>
>Yes Dave, it could.
>
>On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>>I don't suppose your elevator hinges are a bit loose??
>
>Yes, Noel, it could.
>
>On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:20 PM, Dee Young wrote:
>>How about the turtle deck drumming.
>
>Yes, Dee, it could.
>
>Thanks for your answers, guys. I think I feel better knowing it's not a
>wing. I did lift my headset to hear better (but with the engine on) and it
>is definitively coming from right hand and behind me. I'll need a passenger
>to do more hearing observation. Yet a new reason to go out flying! Wow,
>cool! :-)
>
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Possible overheating and EGT question |
You had talked about your egt's at take off being high or close to the max
limit. At take off I will assume you are at full throttle? At the full
throttle setting you are no longer using the needle, you would be using the
main jet. If the temps are high changing the needle will not do much for you
at full throttle. You will need to go in and change the main jet to the next
larger size. The needle is only going to affect your mid range. You ask if
it is normal to change carb settings? Sure it is as the density of the air
changes so does the mixture. More dense the air the leaner the mixture, less
dense air, richer mixture, if you do nothing. This is the most common time
to make the lean to rich change. In the spring it would be rich back to
lean.
As Rex stated you will not change the sync. if you do the same change to
both carbs.
Steve
STA-Lite Aviation, Inc.
Authorized Rotax Repair Station
www.staliteaviation.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Possible overheating and EGT question
>
> I discovered a small puddle of coolant under my airplane this morning. I
had spent the previous day practicing in the pattern for almost two hours
and I?Tm wondering if the constant "touch & go" with all that time at full
throttle caused it to overheat. I'm ashamed to say that I did not notice if
any of the gauges where indicating anything out of the ordinary.
>
> I ran her up on the ground for a while and could not reproduce the leak so
I tried a few turns around the pattern keeping a close eye on the gauges. As
usual the EGT runs near the upper range of the gauge during takeoff at
1600F. I didn't used to worry about that because it's still just shy of max
and it always cools off once I level out for cruise. Today though, I noticed
that it stayed up at 1600 on the downwind leg coming down only when I pulled
back to idle before the base turn.
>
> Is this normal behavior for EGT? Should I bump the mixture a bit? If I do
adjust the mixture, how do I keep the two carbs in sync?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84061#84061
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 FWF instructions |
Give me a day or so to check my manual...it contains the Rotax info
for the 1994 IV, and I'll send the section your way if it will help
you. I went with another engine so I don't need these pages.
Lynn
On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Brent E Bidus wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a PDF file for installing a Rotax 912 in a Classic 4
> speedster? I just moved back from overseas and can't locate my manual
> right now.
>
> Where is the recommended location for the battery in a Classic 4
> Speedster with 912 engine? I seem to remember it being right
> behind the
> instrument panel, but I don't have the welded tabs that I remember it
> saying to bolt the battery box to. I do have a tray behind the pax
> seat.
>
>
> Thanks and Happy New Year. Perhaps this will be the year my Kitfox
> flies.
>
> Brent Bidus
> Colorado Springs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 FWF instructions |
Thanks very much Lynn. I've spent the last few hours sorting through
some parts and just found my manual, so I won't need it. I sincerely
appreciate the offer though.
Brent
On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:40:05 -0500 Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
writes:
>
> Give me a day or so to check my manual...it contains the Rotax info
>
> for the 1994 IV, and I'll send the section your way if it will help
>
> you. I went with another engine so I don't need these pages.
>
> Lynn
> On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Brent E Bidus wrote:
>
> <brentbidus@juno.com>
> >
> > Does anyone have a PDF file for installing a Rotax 912 in a
> Classic 4
> > speedster? I just moved back from overseas and can't locate my
> manual
> > right now.
> >
> > Where is the recommended location for the battery in a Classic 4
> > Speedster with 912 engine? I seem to remember it being right
> > behind the
> > instrument panel, but I don't have the welded tabs that I remember
> it
> > saying to bolt the battery box to. I do have a tray behind the
> pax
> > seat.
> >
> >
> > Thanks and Happy New Year. Perhaps this will be the year my
> Kitfox
> > flies.
> >
> > Brent Bidus
> > Colorado Springs
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Avid Flyer accident. WAS: dead-stick topic |
On Jan 1, 2007, at 7:59 PM, ron schick wrote:
> We lost an Avid on Saturday.
I am so sorry to hear that, Ron. It must be terrible for the family as
I understand he was to become a grand father. Here is the link I found
on Oregonlife.com
http://www.oregonlive.com/newslogs/oregonian/index.ssf?/mtlogs/
olive_oregonian_news/archives/2006_12.html#220527
Our thoughts are with his family and friends,
Michel
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 FWF relay question |
Can anyone confirm that part number 49028 (starter relay provided by
Rotax) is a Prestolite SAZ-4201N solenoid? I can't find anything with
49028 on the tag. Are a starter relay and solenoid the same thing? If
not, what does the solenoid hook up to? I looked up the prestolite part
number on the internet and it shows it as a solenoid. Probably a basic
question but I'm pretty electrically challenged. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Colorado Springs
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 FWF relay question |
Brent,
It is my understanding that the starter relay is different as it is
intermittent only and the Master solenoid is continuous duty. My starter
relay is unmarked, but the can has two tabs on the end for mounting while
the master relay as tabs spot welded to the side.
I did a check on this one and it seems to be an intermitent and likely
provided as the starter relay. see:
http://preview.ametek.com/content-manager/files/APL/SAZ-4201N1.pdf It shoes
a duty of Max 2 min.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent E Bidus" <brentbidus@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912 FWF relay question
>
> Can anyone confirm that part number 49028 (starter relay provided by
> Rotax) is a Prestolite SAZ-4201N solenoid? I can't find anything with
> 49028 on the tag. Are a starter relay and solenoid the same thing? If
> not, what does the solenoid hook up to? I looked up the prestolite part
> number on the internet and it shows it as a solenoid. Probably a basic
> question but I'm pretty electrically challenged. Thanks,
>
> Brent Bidus
> Colorado Springs
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : dead-stick topic The sound Michel |
Ron
I am very sorry for your loss and the families you are all in my thoughts
and prayers.
John Perry
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| Subject: | Avid Flyer accident. WAS: dead-stick topic |
While I did know Dale at least this one was not my neighbor. The sea finaly
returned him last weekend. I was more than a little cautious in the three
hours I flew this weekend. Ron NB Ore
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Flyer accident. WAS: dead-stick topic
>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:39:54 +0100
>
>
>On Jan 1, 2007, at 7:59 PM, ron schick wrote:
>>We lost an Avid on Saturday.
>
>I am so sorry to hear that, Ron. It must be terrible for the family as I
>understand he was to become a grand father. Here is the link I found on
>Oregonlife.com
>
>http://www.oregonlive.com/newslogs/oregonian/index.ssf?/mtlogs/
>olive_oregonian_news/archives/2006_12.html#220527
>
>Our thoughts are with his family and friends,
>Michel
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has
it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax VS Volks wagon |
how many hp and what is the weight ttl mal
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax VS Volks wagon |
Mal my KF IV Speedster is 660LB Have not dynoed, but am jacking up the cc
from 1915 to 2275. I doubt that I am getting 65 hp as I can only get 92kts
WOT, 700 fpm solo and way less at 1200 lbs. My target hp was 70. Finishing
up a few projects then back to my new motor. Got 1.3 hours flying today.
Ron NB Ore Kitfox IV Speedster 1915cc VW Valley Engeneering llc Redrive
1.6:1 72" Ivo ~55 TTEA
>From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax VS Volks wagon Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007
>21:18:00 EST
>
>how many hp and what is the weight ttl mal
_________________________________________________________________
>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has
it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Kitfox-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kitfox-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kitfox-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
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select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
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your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
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Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
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Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
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And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
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subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
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* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
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at the following location:
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email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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