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1. 05:45 AM - Model 4 engine swap (Lyle Persels)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Fuel shut offs (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: Model 4 engine swap (dcsfoto)
4. 11:26 AM - Re: Model 4 engine swap (crazyivan)
5. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: new kitfox2 (Michel Verheughe)
6. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: dead-stick topic (Michel Verheughe)
7. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: new kitfox2 (Randy Daughenbaugh)
8. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Model 4 engine swap (dwight purdy)
9. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Model 4 engine swap (Clint Bazzill)
10. 03:24 PM - List (ddunbar)
11. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Model 4 engine swap (Jimmie Blackwell)
12. 09:11 PM - Re: Re: dead-stick topic (kurt schrader)
13. 09:39 PM - Re: new kitfox2 (kurt schrader)
14. 09:54 PM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (Aerobatics@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Model 4 engine swap |
I'm nearing completion of replacement of the Rotax 912 UL with a 912
ULS in my Model 4. Does this constitute a major change that will
require a new FAA inspection, signoff, certificate, and test period?
Or can I just go fly?
Oh, by the way, my old 912 UL with about 440 hours is for sale. No
price set. What's it worth?
Lyle Persels
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel shut offs |
Speaking of having help...when I had a tail pipe break off from my
Jabiru exhaust system, (due to me adding unsupported length) and the
resultant flame licked at my engine mount and scorched the outer
layer of my fuel sleeve. Yeah, the aviation Gods were looking out for
me that day. And when I filled the tanks to the max, and parked at a
slight side angle to load up my Granddaughter for a flight. My
daughter said "what's this water running off the wing here"? Holy
mackerel, get away from the plane while I level it out...yeah that
was a close one too.
Thanks to this list, I really feel like I HAVE made some progress,
Kurt. From advice as to which plane to buy, to knowing how much fuel
to (not) cram into the tanks, to recent advice on building
skis...which are now in progress...thanks guys and gals. : )
Lynn
On Jan 3, 2007, at 11:41 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> But my gascolator drain failure inches from my
> exhaust last year got my attention. I think I had
> help on that one....
> As always on this list, it is interesting to remember
> your history here and think of all the progress you
> made, Lynn.
>
> Have a great New Year.
>
> Kurt S. S-5
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 engine swap |
look at your limitations. they should tell you if you need to contact the FAA.
if it was me I would find out the name of the local FAA airworthiness supervisor.
call that person,if he says ok without reentering phase 1 again you need to
write him a letter confirming your talk.
if you need help contact me.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85364#85364
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 engine swap |
When I changed props from the GSC to the Ivo, I called my local FSDO. Since it
was a "like" swap (meaning both are ground adjustable, 3 blade) recommended by
the kit and prop manufacturers, my FSDO guy said I didn't need to perform the
5 hour test period.
Since the 914UL and ULS are similar and supported by the manufacturer you might
be able to get away with a minimal or no test period. But, since the aircraft
registration lists the engine then there might be some re-registration paperwork
hassle to go along with it.
Call your FSDO and they should give you the legal ruling. I found them to be friendly and helpful. http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/dsm/contact/
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85450#85450
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On Jan 2, 2007, at 8:02 PM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> Adverse yaw, what's that, oh! that's what makes the kitfox fun.
Gosh! Then I am not the only one to enjoy adverse yaw! I just love to
put my model 3 in a coordinated turn on one side, then to the other
side, using my feet to keep the ball in the center. I must have been a
horseman ... in a parallel universe! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: dead-stick topic |
On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:10 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> You said it sounds like fabric ripping? Back there?
> Check all your elevator/stab mounts for solid
> attachment. It may take a lot of force, but then they
> move a little?
Well, not exactly ripping fabric, Kurt, but rather 'slamming on the
fabric.' Of course, I do a very careful walk-around prior to each
flight and I haven't notice anything loose or even slightly untied. But
when I lift the horizontal stab, with my hand, I can hear a sound that
comes from the elevator's hinges that are slightly moving. But it's a
weak sound and I doubt that's what I hear when I stall. But I'll try
your trick of using the unused headset mike as a direction finder.
Actually, I'll do anything to have a reason to go out flying! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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I actually wish my Fox had MORE adverse yaw.
It is always fun to take a Cessna driver for a ride and let them fly to Fox
a bit. This is always a real easy way to pick out the tail dragger pilots
or glider pilots. It may take them a few turns to fine tune their foot
work, but at least they know what their feet are for.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: new kitfox2
On Jan 2, 2007, at 8:02 PM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> Adverse yaw, what's that, oh! that's what makes the kitfox fun.
Gosh! Then I am not the only one to enjoy adverse yaw! I just love to
put my model 3 in a coordinated turn on one side, then to the other
side, using my feet to keep the ball in the center. I must have been a
horseman ... in a parallel universe! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 engine swap |
Have always wondered about this issue. When you look up an aircraft
registration on the FAA web site it say Rotax ,I believe followed by the
word All.
Dwight
At 11:25 AM 1/4/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>When I changed props from the GSC to the Ivo, I called my local
>FSDO. Since it was a "like" swap (meaning both are ground adjustable, 3
>blade) recommended by the kit and prop manufacturers, my FSDO guy said I
>didn't need to perform the 5 hour test period.
>
>Since the 914UL and ULS are similar and supported by the manufacturer you
>might be able to get away with a minimal or no test period. But, since
>the aircraft registration lists the engine then there might be some
>re-registration paperwork hassle to go along with it.
>
>Call your FSDO and they should give you the legal ruling. I found them to
>be friendly and
>helpful. http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/dsm/contact/
>
>--------
>Dave
>Speedster 912 UL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85450#85450
>
>
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>1:34 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 engine swap |
I changed my engine out in 1999. Had 912ULS changed to 912ULS. Just fax
info to FAA with your intentions and they will reply back very quickly with
instructions on what they expect. Did t his with engine, props, landing
gear, and vortex generators. Good luck. Clint
From: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 engine swap
Have always wondered about this issue. When you look up an aircraft
registration on the FAA web site it say Rotax ,I believe followed by the
word All.
Dwight
At 11:25 AM 1/4/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>When I changed props from the GSC to the Ivo, I called my local FSDO.
>Since it was a "like" swap (meaning both are ground adjustable, 3 blade)
>recommended by the kit and prop manufacturers, my FSDO guy said I didn't
>need to perform the 5 hour test period.
>
>Since the 914UL and ULS are similar and supported by the manufacturer you
>might be able to get away with a minimal or no test period. But, since the
>aircraft registration lists the engine then there might be some
>re-registration paperwork hassle to go along with it.
>
>Call your FSDO and they should give you the legal ruling. I found them to
>be friendly and helpful.
>http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/dsm/contact/
>
>--------
>Dave
>Speedster 912 UL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85450#85450
>
>
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>1:34 PM
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Hello kitfox-list,
Please take me of this list.
I joined the Lightning list only.
I don't know why I ended up on this one
--
Best regards,
ddunbar mailto:ddunbar@echidna.id.au
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 engine swap |
It is amazing the difference between FSDO's I did exactly the same thing,
changed a GSC to IVO. My FSDO in San Antonio required me to perform a 5
hour test period. However, they were very friendly and helpful on the
documentation.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 engine swap
>
> When I changed props from the GSC to the Ivo, I called my local FSDO.
> Since it was a "like" swap (meaning both are ground adjustable, 3 blade)
> recommended by the kit and prop manufacturers, my FSDO guy said I didn't
> need to perform the 5 hour test period.
>
> Since the 914UL and ULS are similar and supported by the manufacturer you
> might be able to get away with a minimal or no test period. But, since
> the aircraft registration lists the engine then there might be some
> re-registration paperwork hassle to go along with it.
>
> Call your FSDO and they should give you the legal ruling. I found them to
> be friendly and helpful.
> http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/dsm/contact/
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85450#85450
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dead-stick topic |
Michel,
Right after I finished my last test flying, I had a
loud drumming on the belly fabric on landing from the
next flight. It really got my attention! What was
coming appart!!!
Seems that I had removed the camera I used for
inflight panel recording during testing, but didn't
remove the rubber washer from the camera mount bolt.
It came off the (up facing) bolt and that little
rubber washer (about the size for a garden hose)
sounded like the tail wheel was coming off. Found it
under the baggage deck.
Sometimes it is the simple stuff....
Kurt S. S-5
...........
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:10 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> > You said it sounds like fabric ripping? Back
> there?
> > Check all your elevator/stab mounts for solid
> > attachment. It may take a lot of force, but then
> they move a little?
..........
> Well, not exactly ripping fabric, Kurt, but rather
> 'slamming on the
> fabric.' Of course, I do a very careful walk-around
> prior to each
> flight and I haven't notice anything loose or even
> slightly untied. But
> when I lift the horizontal stab, with my hand, I can
> hear a sound that
> comes from the elevator's hinges that are slightly
> moving. But it's a
> weak sound and I doubt that's what I hear when I
> stall. But I'll try
> your trick of using the unused headset mike as a
> direction finder.
> Actually, I'll do anything to have a reason to go
> out flying! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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I haven't flown a -2, but here is an idea:
I know that some others have added a center stringer
and fillet to the front of the verticle stab for
looks. I think this would also help with the
stability as well as make it look better.
Gap filling to the rudder will help and adding ribs to
the verticle stab will help too. That flat sided stab
wanders more than an aerodynamic airfoil and you might
gain an mph or 2 as well.
None of these things will require a lot of weight or
changing to the basic plane.
Maybe someone can lend a pic of their top stringer and
fillet, or verticle stab ribs to assist?
Kurt S.
--- jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm new to kitfox , Just purchased a kitfox 2 and I
> was interested in making the rudder and the stab
> taller to help the yaw ? I'm still in the stage of
> building before the covering. What is the thoughts
> has anyone done this? Also is there anyone in North
> Cal near paradise that I can see there kitfox and
> ask questions about building?
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| Subject: | Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. |
I have a totally stock #2 when I added clear tape to rudder gap the
difference was huge. In fact, every 2 years or so I replace .
For me its a strong recommendation and very easy to do.
I flew it about 100 hours without, and now have about 350 TT.
Without the tape, if, in calm air trimmed hands off and I lift my feet off
the floor, it would yaw to one side or another... with a touch of aileron it
would yaw strongly the opposite way. With the tape it holds direction and
adverse yaw is still there but less.
Its simply a case of increasing area aft of CG. A gap leaks terribly.
I do the elevator too.
Ailerons are kinda tough to seal however...
Dave P
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