---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/05/07: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (Noel Loveys) 2. 06:06 AM - Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers (dave) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (dave) 4. 07:13 AM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (Aerobatics@aol.com) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers (Aerobatics@aol.com) 6. 07:28 AM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (dave) 7. 07:28 AM - Re: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers (dave) 8. 07:44 AM - Repairing an IVOPROP (wingnut) 9. 08:45 AM - Re: Repairing an IVOPROP (Fox5flyer) 10. 08:59 AM - kitfox2 new builder (jerry evans) 11. 09:40 AM - Re: kitfox2 new builder (dave) 12. 09:51 AM - Re: kitfox2 new builder (Frank Miles) 13. 10:00 AM - Re: Repairing an IVOPROP (Lowell Fitt) 14. 11:33 AM - Re: new kitfox2 (Lynn Matteson) 15. 12:43 PM - Re: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers (Aerobatics@aol.com) 16. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: dead-stick topic (Michel Verheughe) 17. 12:46 PM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (Aerobatics@aol.com) 18. 12:53 PM - Re: new kitfox2 great ideas.. (Noel Loveys) 19. 01:06 PM - Re: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers (dave) 20. 01:53 PM - Re: new kitfox2 (jerry evans) 21. 05:23 PM - Re: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers (Aerobatics@aol.com) 22. 06:29 PM - Rear spar attach reinforcement (kentk) 23. 06:40 PM - Re: Repairing an IVOPROP (wingnut) 24. 07:12 PM - Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement (kurt schrader) 25. 07:21 PM - Re: float retracting system (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 26. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: dead-stick topic (kurt schrader) 27. 08:35 PM - Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement (kentk) 28. 08:37 PM - Re: new kitfox2 (kurt schrader) 29. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement (ron schick) 30. 09:43 PM - Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement (kentk) 31. 10:21 PM - Re: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement (Rexinator) 32. 11:03 PM - Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement (A Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:00 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. I put a small tab on my rudder. It seems to keep the plane pretty straight at most flight attitudes. Previous to the tab installation I would come back from an hour of flying with cramps in my right foot. The gap seals sound like a good idea more rudder authority will give a better slip performance too! As you say the seals will help reduce drag not that its a big concern to me the plane will never see warp factor 1!! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aerobatics@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. I have a totally stock #2 when I added clear tape to rudder gap the difference was huge. In fact, every 2 years or so I replace . For me its a strong recommendation and very easy to do. I flew it about 100 hours without, and now have about 350 TT. Without the tape, if, in calm air trimmed hands off and I lift my feet off the floor, it would yaw to one side or another... with a touch of aileron it would yaw strongly the opposite way. With the tape it holds direction and adverse yaw is still there but less. Its simply a case of increasing area aft of CG. A gap leaks terribly. I do the elevator too. Ailerons are kinda tough to seal however... Dave P ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:42 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item =330071354570 Another Kitfox on EBAY ser number 225 would make it a Model 1 Look at that performance flying dual me 210lb instructor170lb 10gal fuel rollout was 96 feet climeout 1370fpm 96 hours TT Good deal for someone if it does not have too high of a reserve. Dave ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:04 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. MessageNoel , do you havea ventral fin on your Kitfox while on floats ? I have flown with and without and find with the fin it flys with less control power needed for rudder pedals. Without the fin it wass like flying on train tracks with very stiff rudder. Gaps seals, I have not done but I have good elevator authority but will you gain anything from it speed wise ? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. I put a small tab on my rudder. It seems to keep the plane pretty straight at most flight attitudes. Previous to the tab installation I would come back from an hour of flying with cramps in my right foot. The gap seals sound like a good idea more rudder authority will give a better slip performance too! As you say the seals will help reduce drag not that its a big concern to me the plane will never see warp factor 1!! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aerobatics@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:24 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. I have a totally stock #2 when I added clear tape to rudder gap the difference was huge. In fact, every 2 years or so I replace . For me its a strong recommendation and very easy to do. I flew it about 100 hours without, and now have about 350 TT. Without the tape, if, in calm air trimmed hands off and I lift my feet off the floor, it would yaw to one side or another... with a touch of aileron it would yaw strongly the opposite way. With the tape it holds direction and adverse yaw is still there but less. Its simply a case of increasing area aft of CG. A gap leaks terribly. I do the elevator too. Ailerons are kinda tough to seal however... Dave P href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:30 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. If there was a speed gain, I didn't notice. Putting fairings on all struts made a very big difference. In fact, installing wheel pants ( fairings) now.... Dave P KF 2 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:24 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers 96 feet at gross wt? yes quite impressive....:-) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:06 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. Dave, Interesting. What size tires are you using ? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerobatics@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. If there was a speed gain, I didn't notice. Putting fairings on all struts made a very big difference. In fact, installing wheel pants ( fairings) now.... Dave P KF 2 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:47 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers have to remember the model 1 might weight about 400 pounds empty. Weight is your enemy Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerobatics@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers 96 feet at gross wt? yes quite impressive....:-) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:55 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Repairing an IVOPROP From: "wingnut" I have an in flight adjustable IVOPROP ultralight. One of the blades has developed a small nick about the size of an eraser head. It's deap enough that the weave in the fiberglass is exposed. Is it possible to repair this or should I just replace the blade? Luis Rodriguez N824KF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85638#85638 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:58 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Repairing an IVOPROP Warp recommends mixing up some epoxy and microballoons to fill in the nicks. When its completely cured, file/sand smooth and paint (optional). I would assume IVO would be similar. Then again, you could send it to IVO for them to evaluate and repair. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Repairing an IVOPROP > > I have an in flight adjustable IVOPROP ultralight. One of the blades has developed a small nick about the size of an eraser head. It's deap enough that the weave in the fiberglass is exposed. Is it possible to repair this or should I just replace the blade? > > Luis Rodriguez > N824KF > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85638#85638 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:28 AM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox2 new builder What have you all done with the flap controller I'm playing around with it today and it seems to be loose ,does it hold when you put on flaps or do you have to hold it up? Mine has the leather in it, but seems like it should have clicks or something, any advise? Jerry Evans kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:55 AM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox2 new builder Jerry, I tighten mine tighter when mine gets loose and put a cotter pin back in. Mine holds at any flap setting in flight fine Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry evans To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox2 new builder What have you all done with the flap controller I'm playing around with it today and it seems to be loose ,does it hold when you put on flaps or do you have to hold it up? Mine has the leather in it, but seems like it should have clicks or something, any advise? Jerry Evans kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:10 AM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: kitfox2 new builder Jerry, It is held in place by friction. You have to tighten the control handle until in flight air pressure will no longer move it. Looks like a poor system but it does work. Frank _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jerry evans Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox2 new builder What have you all done with the flap controller I'm playing around with it today and it seems to be loose ,does it hold when you put on flaps or do you have to hold it up? Mine has the leather in it, but seems like it should have clicks or something, any advise? Jerry Evans kitfox 555 HYPERLINK "http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif" "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Kitfox-List -- 1:34 PM -- 1:34 PM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:07 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Repairing an IVOPROP Luis, You'll get lots of opinions and second hand information from the list. My suggestion is that you contact IVO. Then you will get some solid advice. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Repairing an IVOPROP > > I have an in flight adjustable IVOPROP ultralight. One of the blades has > developed a small nick about the size of an eraser head. It's deap enough > that the weave in the fiberglass is exposed. Is it possible to repair this > or should I just replace the blade? > > Luis Rodriguez > N824KF > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85638#85638 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:01 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 I've got pictures of my vertical ribs, but the last time I tried to post, the file was huge...could I send 'em your way, Kurt, and you could post em? Each picture is about 56KB when I send via email. I've got pics of several stages of the airfoiling process. Lynn On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:38 AM, kurt schrader wrote: > > > I haven't flown a -2, but here is an idea: > > I know that some others have added a center stringer > and fillet to the front of the verticle stab for > looks. I think this would also help with the > stability as well as make it look better. > > Gap filling to the rudder will help and adding ribs to > the verticle stab will help too. That flat sided stab > wanders more than an aerodynamic airfoil and you might > gain an mph or 2 as well. > > None of these things will require a lot of weight or > changing to the basic plane. > > Maybe someone can lend a pic of their top stringer and > fillet, or verticle stab ribs to assist? > > Kurt S. > > --- jerry evans wrote: > >> I'm new to kitfox , Just purchased a kitfox 2 and I >> was interested in making the rudder and the stab >> taller to help the yaw ? I'm still in the stage of >> building before the covering. What is the thoughts >> has anyone done this? Also is there anyone in North >> Cal near paradise that I can see there kitfox and >> ask questions about building? > > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:25 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:30:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@cfisher.com writes: have to remember the model 1 might weight about 400 pounds empty. Weight is your enemy Dave Mine is 450 empty.... 1/2 fuel solo ( I am 175) IVO 3 blade that is better than my original CGS.... on a CALM day I dont come near 100 feet... and I have measured.... closer to 200 feet Climb solo is 1,000 to 1,400 fpm cruise 80 mph at 5,800 75 at 5,600 speed checked with GPS in different directions.. Climb RPM is usually 6,300 sometimes 6,400 I am not saying its impossible... but TO in 1/2 the distance is impressive.. :-) PS These numbers are off a grass field.. Dave Patrick KF2 582 BH ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:24 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dead-stick topic On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:10 AM, kurt schrader wrote: > Sometimes it is the simple stuff.... I agree Kurt. Maybe it's only (the stall sound) my denture coming loose, hitting my glass eye, which lifts my wig and disturbs my hearing aid. ;-) Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:22 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:30:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@cfisher.com writes: Dave, Interesting. What size tires are you using ? Dave Big Tuntra ones that came with the kit... Ill have to look to see what size.. I made my own fiberglass parts ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:32 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. Yes the ventral fin attaches to the front cross through tube and the support for the tail wheel spring. I was able to design a simple stinger to bolt through with it... They say it's not really a floatplane without the stinger. ;-) Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. Noel , do you havea ventral fin on your Kitfox while on floats ? I have flown with and without and find with the fin it flys with less control power needed for rudder pedals. Without the fin it wass like flying on train tracks with very stiff rudder. Gaps seals, I have not done but I have good elevator authority but will you gain anything from it speed wise ? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. I put a small tab on my rudder. It seems to keep the plane pretty straight at most flight attitudes. Previous to the tab installation I would come back from an hour of flying with cramps in my right foot. The gap seals sound like a good idea more rudder authority will give a better slip performance too! As you say the seals will help reduce drag not that its a big concern to me the plane will never see warp factor 1!! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aerobatics@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 great ideas.. I have a totally stock #2 when I added clear tape to rudder gap the difference was huge. In fact, every 2 years or so I replace . For me its a strong recommendation and very easy to do. I flew it about 100 hours without, and now have about 350 TT. Without the tape, if, in calm air trimmed hands off and I lift my feet off the floor, it would yaw to one side or another... with a touch of aileron it would yaw strongly the opposite way. With the tape it holds direction and adverse yaw is still there but less. Its simply a case of increasing area aft of CG. A gap leaks terribly. I do the elevator too. Ailerons are kinda tough to seal however... Dave P href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:11 PM PST US From: "dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers I know i can easily break gound in under 200 feet on a calm day with 540 lbs IV Kitfox Movies - 3 rd link on left http://www.cfisher.com I will get some more done soon and will mark off the distances . My short runway is 550 x 100 and I will take off across it into wind. but don't trust my word for it untill i get video proof up :) I have more flaps than you as well but you have undercambered wing Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerobatics@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:30:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@cfisher.com writes: have to remember the model 1 might weight about 400 pounds empty. Weight is your enemy Dave Mine is 450 empty.... 1/2 fuel solo ( I am 175) IVO 3 blade that is better than my original CGS.... on a CALM day I dont come near 100 feet... and I have measured.... closer to 200 feet Climb solo is 1,000 to 1,400 fpm cruise 80 mph at 5,800 75 at 5,600 speed checked with GPS in different directions.. Climb RPM is usually 6,300 sometimes 6,400 I am not saying its impossible... but TO in 1/2 the distance is impressive.. :-) PS These numbers are off a grass field.. Dave Patrick KF2 582 BH ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:15 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 Lynn I would love to see those pic new builder Jerry I've got pictures of my vertical ribs, but the last time I tried to post, the file was huge...could I send 'em your way, Kurt, and you could post em? Each picture is about 56KB when I send via email. I've got pics of several stages of the airfoiling process. Lynn On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:38 AM, kurt schrader wrote: > > > I haven't flown a -2, but here is an idea: > > I know that some others have added a center stringer > and fillet to the front of the verticle stab for > looks. I think this would also help with the > stability as well as make it look better. > > Gap filling to the rudder will help and adding ribs to > the verticle stab will help too. That flat sided stab > wanders more than an aerodynamic airfoil and you might > gain an mph or 2 as well. > > None of these things will require a lot of weight or > changing to the basic plane. > > Maybe someone can lend a pic of their top stringer and > fillet, or verticle stab ribs to assist? > > Kurt S. > > --- jerry evans wrote: > >> I'm new to kitfox , Just purchased a kitfox 2 and I >> was interested in making the rudder and the stab >> taller to help the yaw ? I'm still in the stage of >> building before the covering. What is the thoughts >> has anyone done this? Also is there anyone in North >> Cal near paradise that I can see there kitfox and >> ask questions about building? > > > __________________________________________________ > > Jerry Evans kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:49 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox on EBAY with some impresive numbers I have tried with and without flaps and adding flaps just before rotation... a bit better. But there is a big difference from 200 feet to 96 at gross :-) my runway is 70 feet wide and I have done a TO across... but, there was a strong breeze :-) My runway is about 750 long "the nice" grass is about 375 feet. I dont think I have ever used more than 400 gets too bumpy LOL The more difficult part is landing, one needs to be careful to make sure your slow enough over the threshold. Downwind at cruise (80) On base I bleed speed to 65, turning onto final at 65 mid final 55 short final 42 to 45 not 47 ... if 50 go around. I bleed the last 8 or so mph during flare which starts about 100 feet before end of runway. Before the Kitfox, I had a Kolb firestar slightly better at STOL. Between the 2, I have flown around 600 hours from here. We are so lucky. I have a Warrior 2 that I am a partner in and fly that a lot... fun too. Nice to have 4 seats and 125 to 130 mph... But for the pure joy of flying there is nothing like these light planes. NOTHING :-) In fact with a good friend in a trike a cpl months ago we flew over 850 miles and 14 airports in 4 days. Probably the best flying trip I ever had... Sorry if I got long winded, no football on TV Dave ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:04 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Rear spar attach reinforcement From: "kentk" OK, this is my first post here on Matronics, so please forgive me if I break some cardinal rule. I tried to make my first part #22003 Rear Spar Attach Reinforcement (for Model 4-1200) and I think I may have shaved off a wee bit too much metal. I will try to attach a picture of the part so that some of you experts can give me some guidance. At this point I am thinking that the part may still be used, but will have to be checked at every pre-flight. Thanks in advance, Kent -------- kentk25[at]yahoo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85782#85782 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/22003_764.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Repairing an IVOPROP From: "wingnut" Got a response from IVO in case anyone is interested. Here's their short list of reccomended filler starting with the best option: Polyester gel coat Polyester fiber glass resin 2 part epoxy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85786#85786 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:52 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear spar attach reinforcement Hi Kent, --- kentk wrote: > OK, this is my first post here on Matronics, so > please forgive me if I break some cardinal rule. No problem. Here we have 1 Pope, 2 cardinals and a whole lot of sinners. :-) I tried to make my first part #22003 Rear Spar Attach > Reinforcement (for Model 4-1200) and I think I may > have shaved off a wee bit too much metal. I will > try to attach a picture of the part so that some of > you experts can give me some guidance. At this > point I am thinking that the part may still be used, > but will have to be checked at every pre-flight. > > Thanks in advance, > Kent Right or wrong on this part will depend upon what you have left, of course. I think I built 1.3 Kitfox's to cover the "not quite good enough" parts I remade. Some are remade just for looks, but if it is critical, you don't want to be flying wondering if it is good enough. Make a new one and be sure. To me, the rear attachment falls into the "make sure" category rather than the preflight check category. Let's see what others say. But go ahead and attach a pic, if nothing else than for practice, and confirmation from all on what they would do. We like to discuss stuff here.... :-) Kurt S. S-5 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:03 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:float retracting system anybody got a retracting system for the old zenair float? 950 or 1100 we only need one to use as a pattern so we can make a set. is john nap out there snaps to the rescue. mal ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:10 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dead-stick topic Actually, I first thought of viking helmit horns doing something bad during stalls.... ;-) First sign of a Norwegian stall? Your helmit sticks to the skylight... For me, stalls are usually fine. But if I haven't spun in a while, there is usually a strange noise coming from the cockpit. Kurt S. --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:10 AM, kurt schrader wrote: > > Sometimes it is the simple stuff.... > > I agree Kurt. Maybe it's only (the stall sound) my > denture coming > loose, hitting my glass eye, which lifts my wig and > disturbs my hearing aid. ;-) > > Michel > > do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement From: "kentk" smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho wrote: > Hi Kent, > > --- kentk wrote: > > > > OK, this is my first post here on Matronics, so > > please forgive me if I break some cardinal rule. > > > > > > No problem. Here we have 1 Pope, 2 cardinals and a > whole lot of sinners. :-) > > Hah, good one! At least I wasn't accused of making a bad aircraft pun. I send my question to the Kitfox company, but last time I asked them for info it took something like 2 weeks to get a reply. Does anyone know if I can purchase part #22003 (or have a spare for sale)? If not, I guess will seriously consider those spar inserts from Blueskyaviation. Thanks again, Kurt for the response and insight. Kind Regards, Kent -------- kentk25[at]yahoo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85804#85804 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:53 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: new kitfox2 Lynn and Michel, My best contact for this is Michel, or Norski sailor and computer hacker.... Michel. Can you take Lynn's pics, reduce them and post them to the old Sportflight site? I made my verticle stab ribs by taking the one bottom rib to a copy machine and making a copy of it before installing it. Then I used the % reduction function on the copier to make the other ribs to size. Cut them from hobby shop plywood and that was that. Unfortunately I will not be home to help with this for over a week. Michel! Can you help? Kurt S. S-5 --- Lynn Matteson wrote: > I've got pictures of my vertical ribs, but the last > time I tried to > post, the file was huge...could I send 'em your way, > Kurt, and you > could post em? Each picture is about 56KB when I > send via email. I've > got pics of several stages of the airfoiling > process. > > Lynn __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:39 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement Kent please hit the attach button and show us the part. May or may not be a problem, but we like to over analyse. Ron NB Ore >From: "kentk" >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:33:52 -0800 > > > >smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho wrote: > > Hi Kent, > > > > --- kentk wrote: > > > > > > > OK, this is my first post here on Matronics, so > > > please forgive me if I break some cardinal rule. > > > > > > > > > > No problem. Here we have 1 Pope, 2 cardinals and a > > whole lot of sinners. :-) > > > > > > >Hah, good one! At least I wasn't accused of making a bad aircraft pun. > >I send my question to the Kitfox company, but last time I asked them for >info it took something like 2 weeks to get a reply. Does anyone know if I >can purchase part #22003 (or have a spare for sale)? If not, I guess will >seriously consider those spar inserts from Blueskyaviation. > >Thanks again, Kurt for the response and insight. > >Kind Regards, >Kent > >-------- >kentk25[at]yahoo > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85804#85804 > > _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement From: "kentk" roncarolnikko(at)hotmail. wrote: > Kent please hit the attach button and show us the part. May or may not be a > problem, but we like to over analyse. Ron NB Ore > Is the image not showing up for anyone but me? If that is the case, here is the link to the photo: http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=3526 Regards, Kent -------- kentk25[at]yahoo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85817#85817 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:05 PM PST US From: Rexinator Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rear spar attach reinforcement Kent, The link worked on your 1st post before. I have included it here from your 1st post. http://forums.matronics.com//files/22003_764.jpg They both result in the same image. BTW, I can also offer to post an image for those unsure how to do it and when Michel becomes overwhelmed. :-) Rex Colorado kentk wrote: > Is the image not showing up for anyone but me? If that is the case, > here is the link to the photo: > >http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=3526 > >Regards, >Kent > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:07 PM PST US From: "A Smith" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rear spar attach reinforcement Hey Kent I wish I would have used the inserts. They look like a lot better way to do it. If not just build some new parts. Spar attach points tend to be important. 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