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1. 06:09 AM - Re: cont.A65 (Mnflyer)
2. 08:59 AM - Re: Movie of = > : King Fox tire reviews (kitfoxmike)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: N926JB flys again ! (Guy Buchanan)
4. 10:15 AM - Re: VW engine/pics (Keith C.)
5. 11:23 AM - Re: VW engine/pics (Larry Martin)
6. 11:29 AM - Rim Question for Kitfoxmike (Larry Martin)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: King Fox tire reviews (dcsfoto)
8. 12:37 PM - Re: header tank (dcsfoto)
9. 12:58 PM - Re: N926JB flys again ! (Lynn Matteson)
10. 01:55 PM - Weight (Glenn Horne)
11. 02:04 PM - Re: Weight (Mnflyer)
12. 02:14 PM - Re: Weight (Ron Liebmann)
13. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviews (Lowell Fitt)
14. 02:37 PM - Re: Weight (john perry)
15. 03:39 PM - Re: Weight (Bradley M Webb)
16. 04:04 PM - Re: Weight (Lynn Matteson)
17. 04:16 PM - Re: Weight (dave)
18. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviews (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
19. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviews (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
20. 05:02 PM - Re: Weight (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
21. 05:08 PM - Re: Weight (john perry)
22. 05:13 PM - Re: header tank (nealscherm@comcast.net)
23. 05:17 PM - Lesson Learned (David Estapa)
24. 05:28 PM - Rim Question for Dave Fisher (Larry Martin)
25. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviews (dave)
26. 06:46 PM - Re: Weight (Noel Loveys)
27. 06:49 PM - HKS engines (Noel Loveys)
28. 07:02 PM - Re: Weight (Jerry Liles)
29. 07:18 PM - Re: mod 2 weight (GONER752@aol.com)
30. 07:32 PM - Re: Weight (Noel Loveys)
31. 07:50 PM - Re: Weight (john perry)
32. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviews (Lowell Fitt)
33. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: VW engine/pics (ron schick)
34. 09:26 PM - Re: Lesson Learned (Alan Daniels)
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Hi Dwight, I thought about a Cont 65 or 85 also thought about the Lycoming 65 hp.
The lack of an engine kind of stopped me as I didn't want to go thur the trouble
of building one and the lack of electrical on the 65 hp engines. As for
being heavy they are not as heavy as the Sub's that have been installed, but they
are wider thus reqiuring major cowl rework. As for old tech. yes they are
old but they run and run and run, and the VW engine tech is just as old.
I went to a HKS 700E and really really like the engine installed it last winter
got it flying in April 06 and as of 12/28/06 had 125.1 hrs on it. From my stand
point its the best upgrade from a Rotax 582 same power slightly less takeoff
roll (100') less ROC about 100' but 5 mph more cruise and best of all went from
4.5 gph to 3 gph. The HKS now has a TBO of 1000 hrs full electrical and starts
and runs like a jewel.
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GB
MNFlyer
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| Subject: | Re: Movie of = > : King Fox tire reviews |
Dave,
It's been way to cold here, I hope to be flying again in a couple days, I draw
the line below 25 degrees, currently 3 degrees. Oh and is that how you clean
the underbody.
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kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: N926JB flys again ! |
At 05:47 PM 1/13/2007, you wrote:
>I also found the pilot who flew it for it's first test flight back
>then. Today he flew N926JB for the first time in over 9 years. After his
>test flight he took me up for about 30 minutes. Of course I was thrilled.
Congratulations Todd. I'm guessing you'll continue to be thrilled as you
play with it more and more. I know I am.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: VW engine/pics |
Hey Ron,
Thanks for the pics and advice, all will be needed as I go through this.
Keith
Sacto
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VW engine/pics
> Hi Kieth check the archives as this subject keeps popping up. I'll try
> to
> post pics to sportflight if I get time meanwhile I'll attach some to this.
> Sorry If the files are large. One suggestion is to use more than 1915cc
> like
> I did. Valley Engineering LLC makes a redrive. Ron NB Ore 1915cc VW,
> 1.61:1 redrive, 72" Ivo ~50 hours and going flying now.
>
>>From: "Keith C." <kcflys@pacbell.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: VW engine
>>Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:25:14 -0800
>>
>>Ron,
>>
>>New to this and asking questions. VW is the way I am considering going.
>>Any advice, suggestions, pics.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Keith C.
>>Sacto, CA
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes
>>has
> it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW engine/pics |
Hi Ron,
I get the list in the digest format and did not receive the file &
pics. Would you mind sending them to me?
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | Rim Question for Kitfoxmike |
Subject: Re: : King fox Tires first report
Hey Mike,
What wheel rim and tire do you now have? ( the big one on your
website) I currently have Matco 6" rims, and it looks like that is at
least an 8" tire, so I would have to change rims. How high is your axle
from the ground with that set up?
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviews |
installed a set some time ago, they do not seem to hold air as good as what I had
prior but they are a great tire and well worth the money.
thanks
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intrested in details on your 2 gal tank. Iam building a 7.
the header tank that mounts behind the seat is the same as I have a MIII
and a M7.
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| Subject: | Re: N926JB flys again ! |
Congrats, Todd....boy that's a pretty patriotic paint job!
Have fun...
Lynn
On Jan 13, 2007, at 8:47 PM, Todd Leiss wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Last April, I purchased a Kitfox Model IV Speedster - 912UL, It
> had ~ 200 hours. Unfortunately the original builder, Mr. Joseph
> Bender, had passed away some time ago. Then the plane sat in a
> shed virtually untouched for 8 years. I towed it home and over
> the past 8-9 months I have replaced a lot, and refinished a lot...
> Well you guys all know what I mean.
>
> I had the condition Inspection last Saturday, by the same man who
> was the DAR that signed it off back in December 1994.
>
> I also found the pilot who flew it for it's first test flight back
> then. Today he flew N926JB for the first time in over 9 years.
> After his test flight he took me up for about 30 minutes. Of
> course I was thrilled.
>
> Although I'm a commercial pilot, the insurance company wants me to
> have 5 hours of instruction in type, so I will be starting that
> ASAP, and have a Kitfox builder on the field who is qualified.
>
> I want to thank everyone on this list. I've learned so much, so
> many little things, that you just can't get from the builders manual.
>
> And of course I want to thank Mr. Joe Bender for building a great
> airplane.
>
> Todd Leiss
> Merritt Island, Fl
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List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
Thanks
Glenn
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Hi Glenn, my Model III weighed 510 lbs when it had a 582 while not the same model
its close, now with the HKS installed it comes in at 525 lbs.
:D [Wink]
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GB
MNFlyer
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Glen,
My Model 2/582 weights in at 535 lbs. including a BRS.
Ron
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----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
Thanks
Glenn
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviews |
Holding Air.
I just put on my second set and found that there was a slight leak at the
bead on one tire. After the tire softened other parts of the bead began to
leak and it was almost like a blowout as it collapsed. I broke the bead on
that side and cleaned again the rim and made sure there was no debris there
and re-inflated. I am convinced it is not the tire, but likely just the way
the bead was set after inflation.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviews
>
> installed a set some time ago, they do not seem to hold air as good as
> what I had prior but they are a great tire and well worth the money.
> thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87589#87589
>
>
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Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
Thanks
Glenn
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My 2 with the 582 was at 478.
Bradley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne <mailto:glennflys@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
Thanks
Glenn
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Good Lord, you guys must be filling the wings with helium! These low
weights have got to be with the 6 gallon tanks, right? What else
makes these planes so light compared to the IV's? Jeez, if my ex-
wives climbed on your scales we might still be married.
Lynn
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On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Bradley M Webb wrote:
> My 2 with the 582 was at 478.
>
>
> Bradley
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:37 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
>
>
> Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Glenn Horne
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
>
>
> List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
>
> I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
>
> Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
>
> Thanks
>
> Glenn
>
>
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MY IV is about 540
my Buddies Model 1 is 430 with 503
Lynn are you watching moveis yet >?
short one here a new one http://www.cfisher.com/kitfox/
Let me know if you like those big tires movie and i put up more coverage.
If i see the adds getting cliked alot I know you like it :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
>
> Good Lord, you guys must be filling the wings with helium! These low
> weights have got to be with the 6 gallon tanks, right? What else
> makes these planes so light compared to the IV's? Jeez, if my ex-
> wives climbed on your scales we might still be married.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Bradley M Webb wrote:
>
>> My 2 with the 582 was at 478.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bradley
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:37 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
>>
>>
>>
>> Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Glenn Horne
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
>>
>>
>>
>> List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
>>
>> I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
>>
>> Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviews |
I don't know about that for sure. I had the old style taht was made from
ground down 4-wheeler tires and they never leaked. I put a set of these on
before the big sale due to cracks in the old resulting from an almost groundloop
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviews |
That got sent before I finished. I was saying I had the old style and they
never leaked. I almost ground looped and a crack came down the center of one
of the old style tires due to side stress. The tires were probably dry
rotted anyway as the kit set in a garage about ten years before I got it.
Anyway, I put two of the new style on before the big sale and they both leak.
My
plane usually sits two weeks between flights due to my work and I have to add
air everytime. I think it is the core. I have changed it out twice but
still a small leak.
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I believe you made that same remark when I told you my IV-1050 weighed only
575 with a subaru on front, but it is a fact. Now that I have added the
farings for the struts and landing gear, it is about 585.
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nope , 13 gallon right tank and 10 gallon nose tank . . did a new weight and
balance last year after installing new ELT and was same weight . light coats
of poly brush and poly spray and very light coat of paint . . Makes for a
great awsome offroad vehicle not to metion the climbout and STOL performance
.
Im not going there on the wife's weight or i might have a new one lol .
I tease her ansd say when she flys with me i have a heavy hauler OUCH.
JP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
>
> Good Lord, you guys must be filling the wings with helium! These low
> weights have got to be with the 6 gallon tanks, right? What else makes
> these planes so light compared to the IV's? Jeez, if my ex- wives climbed
> on your scales we might still be married.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Bradley M Webb wrote:
>
>> My 2 with the 582 was at 478.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bradley
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:37 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
>>
>>
>>
>> Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Glenn Horne
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
>>
>>
>>
>> List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
>>
>> I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
>>
>> Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
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Hey David,
I bought it a couple of years ago from someone off this list. I'll have to see
who made it for me. I have attached a picture of it next to the original. I'll
see what info I can dig up for you.
Where are you building your 7 at?
Take care,
Neal
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
>
> intrested in details on your 2 gal tank. Iam building a 7.
> the header tank that mounts behind the seat is the same as I have a MIII
> and a M7.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87590#87590
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<DIV>Hey David,</DIV>
<DIV>I bought it a couple of years ago from someone off this list. I'll have to
see who made it for me. I have attached a picture of it next to the original.
I'll see what info I can dig up for you.</DIV>
<DIV>Where are you building your 7 at?</DIV>
<DIV>Take care,</DIV>
<DIV>Neal</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
nd muc
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This afternoon while working on my 5 with a 912 S I learned a Valuable
LESSON. My engine has been running extremely rough. (Only has just a
little over a hour on it.) I manually balanced carbs and did not help.
Tried pneumatically balancing carbs and engine was running so rough I
could not get the screw driver on the idle stop screws. We decided to
shut down and try turning screws with engine off to see if we could get
it close enough to try with engine running. When trying to restart the
battery final gave up. After charging for 45 minutes we were ready to try
again. My buddy in the cockpit said "why don't you pull it through a
couple of times to save battery (to pull fuel into the engine). Master
off, ignition switch off, and kill switches off. ( I had earlier in the
day pulled the prop through about 30 blades to burp the engine). I pulled
one blade when the engine caught with everything off. It probably only
ran for 2-3 seconds. The second blade brushed my nuckles. Fortunately I
still have all my body parts. Further investigation revealed that a wire
had come out of a connector on the ignition module and one ignition
system was not grounding. Fixed that, balanced carbs and now she is
smooth as silk. Sorry to be so long winded, but I thought this was
important. DON" EVER LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT YOU CAN'T PULL A GEARED
ROTAX ENGINE FAST ENOUGH TO CREATE SPARK. From now on I will remember my
training and consider the ignition live at all time when around the prop.
Next time I burp it I will do so as if I'm propping a non starter
airplane. Will take longer, but safer. This thing might fly real soon.
David Estapa
Woodstock, GA
S5TD, N97DE
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| Subject: | Rim Question for Dave Fisher |
Subject: Re: : King fox Tires first report
Hey Dave,
What wheel rim and tire do you now have? ( the big one on your
website) I currently have Matco 6" rims, and it looks like that is at
least an 8" wheel, so I would have to change rims. How high is your
axle from the ground with that set up? What axle/rim do you have?
Thanks,
larry
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviews |
Lowell,
If you cannot see the leak , immerse the whole tire in a tank or a pool (
neighbors if you not got one. )
I use dish soap around bend before installed tire and so far so good but it
only 3 days and 4 hours flying.
I checked my pressures today and set them at about 8 or 9 psi -- what do you
others run at ?
GENTRYLL
I only have 4 hours on these tires and only thing I notices is it more like
being on skis as they do not offer much directional stability- i.e. tracking
? Kind of like driving on black ice . That being said..... I have flown
about 4 hours now on them and about 20 or 30 take offs and landings from
muddy fields, water puddles on grass about 6 inches deep , laying water in
muddy tilled field up to 10 inches deep and grass strips covered in freezing
rain and snow .
I do not find any more tendency to groudloop that with my old tires but If
you not on top of your yaw control , well I suppose it could happen.
And wow A Soobie at 575 pounds -- that is remarkable. How is the
performance ? Must be a near record for a IV with a Suberu.
Dave
http://www.cfisher.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviews
>
> Holding Air.
>
> I just put on my second set and found that there was a slight leak at the
> bead on one tire. After the tire softened other parts of the bead began
> to leak and it was almost like a blowout as it collapsed. I broke the
> bead on that side and cleaned again the rim and made sure there was no
> debris there and re-inflated. I am convinced it is not the tire, but
> likely just the way the bead was set after inflation.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:34 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviews
>
>
>>
>> installed a set some time ago, they do not seem to hold air as good as
>> what I had prior but they are a great tire and well worth the money.
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87589#87589
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I haven't weighed mine but the W&B that came with it says 511 on wheels.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Horne
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
Thanks
Glenn
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Which HKS engine do you have?? How was the installation and hoe does it
operate?? Any problems??
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mnflyer
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Weight
>
>
>
> Hi Glenn, my Model III weighed 510 lbs when it had a 582
> while not the same model its close, now with the HKS
> installed it comes in at 525 lbs.
> :D [Wink]
>
> --------
> GB
> MNFlyer
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What makes the 1s and 2s and 3s so light is thiner spars, fewer ribs,
light fabric, thinner and smaller diameter struts, simple, light
engines, single fuselage fuel tank, or smaller wing tanks, minimal
instrumentation, no amenities such as cabin heat, insulation, baggage
storage, etc. In other words the least amount of materials were used to
make a safe airplane with an enclosed cabin. If it wasn't necessary for
flight and minimal comfort it isn't on the airplane. And that's why a
503 powered Model II or a B Model Avid with minimal equipment and paint
can get off in under 100 feet and climb like a bat. Each succeding
Model gained horsepower, comfort, and weight, lots of weight. Of course
most builders seem to have to improve things, which almost always means
adding weight, often lots of weight which results in some fat Model 2s
and 3s. Glenn's model II weighs almost as much as my Avid MK IV STOL
(547lbs). I still think the earlier Avids and Kitfoxes when built
light are the most fun of the litter.
Jerry Liles
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Good Lord, you guys must be filling the wings with helium! These low
> weights have got to be with the 6 gallon tanks, right? What else
> makes these planes so light compared to the IV's? Jeez, if my ex-
> wives climbed on your scales we might still be married.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Bradley M Webb wrote:
>
>> My 2 with the 582 was at 478.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bradley
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:37 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
>>
>>
>>
>> Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Glenn Horne
>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
>>
>>
>>
>> List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
>>
>> I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
>>
>> Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | re: mod 2 weight |
I haven't put it on scales myself yet, but my 1990 m2 shows 566 empty on the
data plate.two 6 gal. wing tanks,two 1 gal. headers behind panel, 582 single
carb,no oil injection,brs,gsc 3 blade grnd adj.,c-box.
Hope this helps.
Greg Gerace
N375KL
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What's missing from your plane?? A starter and battery???
That's light!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight
Model 2 with 582 c box ivo inflight , 467 lbs empty
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn <mailto:glennflys@verizon.net> Horne
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight
List, Glenn Horne here. I have a Model II with a 582.
I would like to get some empty weight of other Model II w/ 582's.
Mine seems to be little heavy empty.581 lb's.
Thanks
Glenn
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MessageI have starter battery 13 gallon wing tank 10 gallon nose tank
nav strobe lights full instruments with lighting and heater insulation
all the comforts of home and she is only 467 empty . The secret is in
the finishing of the fabric . Use minumum amounts of silver and paint
and you will have a lite weight bird.
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weight
What's missing from your plane?? A starter and battery???
That's light!
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviews |
Dave, I soaped them with a brush and found the leak. I recleaned the bead
area of the rim and no problem to date.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviews
>
> Lowell,
> If you cannot see the leak , immerse the whole tire in a tank or a pool
> ( neighbors if you not got one. )
> I use dish soap around bend before installed tire and so far so good but
> it only 3 days and 4 hours flying.
> I checked my pressures today and set them at about 8 or 9 psi -- what do
> you others run at ?
>
> GENTRYLL
> I only have 4 hours on these tires and only thing I notices is it more
> like being on skis as they do not offer much directional stability- i.e.
> tracking ? Kind of like driving on black ice . That being said..... I
> have flown about 4 hours now on them and about 20 or 30 take offs and
> landings from muddy fields, water puddles on grass about 6 inches deep ,
> laying water in muddy tilled field up to 10 inches deep and grass strips
> covered in freezing rain and snow .
>
> I do not find any more tendency to groudloop that with my old tires but If
> you not on top of your yaw control , well I suppose it could happen.
>
> And wow A Soobie at 575 pounds -- that is remarkable. How is the
> performance ? Must be a near record for a IV with a Suberu.
>
> Dave
> http://www.cfisher.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviews
>
>
>>
>> Holding Air.
>>
>> I just put on my second set and found that there was a slight leak at the
>> bead on one tire. After the tire softened other parts of the bead began
>> to leak and it was almost like a blowout as it collapsed. I broke the
>> bead on that side and cleaned again the rim and made sure there was no
>> debris there and re-inflated. I am convinced it is not the tire, but
>> likely just the way the bead was set after inflation.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:34 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviews
>>
>>
>>>
>>> installed a set some time ago, they do not seem to hold air as good as
>>> what I had prior but they are a great tire and well worth the money.
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87589#87589
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW engine/pics |
I think the pics get stored somewhere on matronics, but I'll send some
direct. Anyone know where to find the pics in digest surfing? Ron NB Ore
>From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
>To: <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VW engine/pics
>Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:19:54 -0600
>
>Hi Ron,
>
> I get the list in the digest format and did not receive the file & pics.
> Would you mind sending them to me?
>
>Thanks,
>larry
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
Holy C*** I could have been killed doing what I have been doing. I had
understood that it was impossible to get a spark from that system by
hand. Sure am happy you were not hurt.
David Estapa wrote:
>
>
> This afternoon while working on my 5 with a 912 S I learned a Valuable
>
>
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