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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Aerobatics@AOL.COM)
2. 12:37 AM - Re: HKS engines (Michel Verheughe)
3. 12:55 AM - Re: Lesson Learned Hand prop (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Dave G.)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: header tank (Bob)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Lesson Learned (Noel Loveys)
7. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Noel Loveys)
8. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Noel Loveys)
9. 06:10 AM - Re: Lesson Learned Hand prop (Noel Loveys)
10. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviewsKing Fox tire reviews (Sjklerks@aol.com)
11. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Noel Loveys)
12. 06:38 AM - Fuel Tank Update (Cliff Olson)
13. 07:05 AM - Re: Lesson Learned (kitfoxmike)
14. 07:22 AM - Re: Rim Question for Kitfoxmike (kitfoxmike)
15. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: King Fox tire reviewsKing Fox tire reviews (john perry)
16. 07:25 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (kitfoxmike)
17. 07:47 AM - Re: Lesson Learned (Dwayne)
18. 09:09 AM - tail wheel fun (kitfoxmike)
19. 09:41 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (crazyivan)
20. 09:58 AM - Re: tail wheel fun (dave)
21. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ (dave)
22. 10:05 AM - Re: charging problem (Marco Menezes)
23. 10:09 AM - Re: tail wheel fun (kitfoxmike)
24. 10:11 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (kitfoxmike)
25. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (dave)
26. 10:46 AM - Re: tail wheel fun (kitfoxmike)
27. 11:04 AM - Re: HKS engines (Mnflyer)
28. 11:06 AM - Re: HKS engines (Mnflyer)
29. 11:12 AM - Re: tail wheel fun (kitfoxmike)
30. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (dave)
31. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Aerobatics@aol.com)
32. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Lowell Fitt)
33. 12:43 PM - Re: tail wheel fun (Bob)
34. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ (PWilson)
35. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (Michel Verheughe)
36. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (dave)
37. 01:23 PM - Re: tail wheel fun (kitfoxmike)
38. 01:31 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (Lowell Fitt)
39. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (Don Smythe)
40. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (Noel Loveys)
41. 02:20 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (nealscherm@comcast.net)
42. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (dave)
43. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (dave)
44. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Update (Noel Loveys)
45. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (Lowell Fitt)
46. 02:50 PM - Re: tail wheel fun (Noel Loveys)
47. 03:02 PM - Off topic Ethanol on WSJ (Noel Loveys)
48. 03:05 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (crazyivan)
49. 03:15 PM - Magnetic Plug (Roger McConnell)
50. 03:31 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (kitfoxmike)
51. 03:34 PM - Re: tail wheel fun (kitfoxmike)
52. 03:40 PM - 100LL and TCP (Roger Standley)
53. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ (Noel Loveys)
54. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (Noel Loveys)
55. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (Noel Loveys)
56. 04:09 PM - Off topic - Fuel Tank Update (Noel Loveys)
57. 04:24 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Noel Loveys)
58. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (Don Smythe)
59. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun (Noel Loveys)
60. 04:41 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (TC)
61. 04:44 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Noel Loveys)
62. 04:52 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (kitfoxmike)
63. 05:39 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Wwillyard@aol.com)
64. 06:22 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Lowell Fitt)
65. 06:28 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Lowell Fitt)
66. 06:29 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Roger McConnell)
67. 06:35 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Update (Lowell Fitt)
68. 06:39 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Jimmie Blackwell)
69. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Update (dave)
70. 06:58 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Update Lowell, (dave)
71. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (PWilson)
72. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (dave)
73. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (Randy Daughenbaugh)
74. 07:47 PM - Re: Lesson Learned (Dwayne)
75. 08:01 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Noel Loveys)
76. 08:09 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Noel Loveys)
77. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (Noel Loveys)
78. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Noel Loveys)
79. 11:28 PM - CDI Yes/No (Rex Shaw)
80. 11:30 PM - Re 582 on long trip (Rex Shaw)
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These are all great engines. The HKS is a really nice engine. As good as
it is, it just doesn't have the power of the 582. Mark B who is used in the
HKS ads with his Odessy... loves his but says they use small horses in me
asuring HP. In his view, it has the power of a 503 but heavier and much more
fuel efficient.
I got to fly in that plane. If it had just a bit more power, I would use it,
other than that it seems to be a wonderful engine.
Again my strip is short, and on a hot day, no wind I like that extra
margin... if my strip was longer, I may have an HKS installed. With my 16 gallons
I could fly forever!
We have a guy that just had a new HKS installed in a KF2 it will be really
interesting to compare side by side... with mine... will keep you posted
Dave
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> From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net]
> I think the every three to four weeks is a bit of an exaggeration
I agree, Lowell. I am still on the Rotax service bulletin email system and it's
far less than that. But, unless you're a mechanic, there is also a factor to
consider prior to decide on an engine, and that is: Who is representing the engine
in your district and what kind of service can you expect?
I my case, although I was pleased with my old 582, I wasn't with the Scandinavian
Rotax dealer.
I also agree with Dave who writes: "They are all fine engines." Now, when can we
expect a diesel engine light enough for a Kitfox? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Lesson Learned Hand prop |
> From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> CDI or not before you turn over a prop by hand check to make sure the mag
> switches are off.
Yep! And that's why I wrote that I hand prop in the hangar, Noel, prior to enter
or move the plane; and just after the oil and gascolator check. It's like a
ritual. For the oil, I don't even need to wipe the dipstick; for the gascolator,
if any water or dirt is there, it will come out first as it would have settled
at the bottom.
Cheers,
Michel
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The whole concept of auto-compensating for the CV carbs is a little off
base. I have had these on motorcycles for years and they will absolutely run
rich at high altitudes. They do offer a slight compensation, but the real
advantage is that a four stroke is not near as fussy about jetting, and will
not seize if it's off a bit. The vacuum bleed type of HAC should work with
these carbs, not sure how fussy to adjust they are as I've never actually
seen one.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
> I'm flying a model III-A (Probably a prototype Mod III) with the 582. I
> am
> planning a trip all the way across Canada in '09 and at the present time
> I'm
> a bit worried that the 582 may not be the best choice of engines. If I
> change out the engine I'll have to get it inspected again and may have to
> do
> another fly off. That means that if I change out it will have to be done
> before summer '08.
>
> I believe the carbs are altitude compensating. There are times here, at
> ~10' ASL the pressure altitude gets down way below sea level. On the trip
> I
> expect I may have to fly as high as 10,000' will the HKS carbs accommodate
> that.
>
> The other question is on the weight of the installation. Considering you
> removed your unnecessary plumbing what was your weight change overall??
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mnflyer
>> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:19 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Noel, if your asking me, the HKS I converted to is their
>> only one the 700E, its 60 hp @6200 RPMs, I got my engine &
>> mount from Lost Hill Aviation in Mo. It was fairly straight
>> forward to install had to modify the upper round cowl with
>> two bumps for cylinder clearance and modify the lower boot
>> cowl to allow air out for cooling. The engine is a jewel it
>> starts and runs very nice and smooth, does require about 6
>> min. to warm up to get to the required oil temp for takeoff.
>> I used my 66" tech III GSC prop from the 582, pitch setting
>> was reduced from 14 degrees to 13.5 degrees the takeoff roll
>> increased by about 100' and the rate of climb went down by
>> about 100' but my cruise increased by a solid 5 MPH. The fuel
>> burn went from 4.25 to 4.5 gph with the 582 to 3 GPH MAX with
>> the HKS, thats running at 5700 RPMs at cruise. I flew it 125
>> hrs since last April and I really like and now the TBO has
>> been upped to 1000 hrs and the cost of parts to OH is about
>> $1500, plus any good mecha!
>> nic can overhaul it, no pressed togather crankshaft etc.
>> I have absolutely no problems just change oil & filter and
>> add gas, it has used NO oil in the 125 hrs. there isn't 15 CC
>> of oil in the breather bottle in 125 hrs. The ignition and
>> alternator are so quite that I can hear my radio clearly now
>> unlike the Rotax (and I tried all the fixs for the Rotax
>> still always had noise) nothing now and I like that.
>>
>> --------
>> GB
>> MNFlyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87813#87813
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I'm starting on a Kitfox 5 and would be interested in any details on the 2 gallon
tank.
Thanks!
Bob
Damascus, MD
--------
Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87984#87984
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Most Contis have an impulse starter. Without going into how it works, what
it does is give a good solid spark each time the cylinders reach TDC or even
later as long as the rpm of the engine is below 300rpm.
When the engine is shut down you will hear the impulse couplings cut it...
that makes the engine sound like it's falling apart at the seams and has a
big piece of something hard rattling around inside the crank case.
With those engines you must be double careful the mags are grounded out.
Most GA pilots only pull the mix and hit the master before getting out of
plane. Few will do a check to make sure the mag grounding leads are solid.
For that reason I carry a couple of jumper leads that I install on the
P-Lead post of the mags and also to a good ground. If I had a nickel for
every time I have seen broken or disconnected P-Leads and ignition switches
turned on I'd be wealthy today.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:56 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lesson Learned
>
>
>
> One time the battery was dead, so, being used to
> Aeroncas and Taylorcrafts etc, I just hand propped the
> 912UL. It started right up. You have to be even more
> careful than with a small Continental because the
> Continental kind of sputters to a start while the
> Rotax lights off fast and has 3 blades coming round
> quick. A defective ground might make it hot and a
> defective throttle is supposed to cause the throttle
> to default to full power. So I guess the grounds and
> throttle connection needs to be checked, but the real
> lesson seems to be - like a loaded gun - be careful
> and always treat it like it is live when turning it
> over. JA KF IV Speedster.
>
>
>
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks Dave
To be honest The 582 is rated at 64 Hp I could see myself wanting about
ten
more horespower not ten less. After all I do have to lift the floats
out of
the water.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
These are all great engines. The HKS is a really nice engine. As good
as
it is, it just doesn't have the power of the 582. Mark B who is used in
the
HKS ads with his Odessy... loves his but says they use small horses in
measuring HP. In his view, it has the power of a 503 but heavier and
much
more fuel efficient.
I got to fly in that plane. If it had just a bit more power, I would use
it,
other than that it seems to be a wonderful engine.
Again my strip is short, and on a hot day, no wind I like that extra
margin... if my strip was longer, I may have an HKS installed. With my
16
gallons I could fly forever!
We have a guy that just had a new HKS installed in a KF2 it will be
really
interesting to compare side by side... with mine... will keep you posted
Dave
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Diesel engine??? Now you're talking!!
Low RPM, high torque, great fuel economy and altitude compensation!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:06 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
>
> > From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net]
> > I think the every three to four weeks is a bit of an exaggeration
>
> I agree, Lowell. I am still on the Rotax service bulletin
> email system and it's far less than that. But, unless you're
> a mechanic, there is also a factor to consider prior to
> decide on an engine, and that is: Who is representing the
> engine in your district and what kind of service can you expect?
> I my case, although I was pleased with my old 582, I wasn't
> with the Scandinavian Rotax dealer.
>
> I also agree with Dave who writes: "They are all fine
> engines." Now, when can we expect a diesel engine light
> enough for a Kitfox? :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
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| Subject: | Lesson Learned Hand prop |
I do a post flight inspection... I consider that to be the important one.
If there are any little things about the plane that I want to check on it
will be fresh in my mind.
Then I trailer the plane home and put it in my garage/workshop and now
hangar. Before the next fight I will check everything. All hoses, tubes,
filters ( gascolator) and of course wiring.
When I go to fly I will do a whole walk around/ inspection again. Last year
I found on the final inspection that the rudder had been bent.. It took a
day to get it ready to fly again.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:25 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lesson Learned Hand prop
>
>
> > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> > CDI or not before you turn over a prop by hand check to
> make sure the mag
> > switches are off.
> Yep! And that's why I wrote that I hand prop in the hangar,
> Noel, prior to enter or move the plane; and just after the
> oil and gascolator check. It's like a ritual. For the oil, I
> don't even need to wipe the dipstick; for the gascolator, if
> any water or dirt is there, it will come out first as it
> would have settled at the bottom.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
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> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://w
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</a>
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviewsKing Fox tire reviews |
Hi John, Do you know if those Douglas rims are still availible? Did skystar
or did douglas weld the little plates on the back were the brake rotor bolts
on ?
Jim
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If I decide to keep the 582 then I'll install an HACMAN. The two strokes
have to be critically tuned for power and to avoid passing the piston out
the exhaust port... I've seen that one!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:30 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
>
>
> The whole concept of auto-compensating for the CV carbs is a
> little off
> base. I have had these on motorcycles for years and they will
> absolutely run
> rich at high altitudes. They do offer a slight compensation,
> but the real
> advantage is that a four stroke is not near as fussy about
> jetting, and will
> not seize if it's off a bit. The vacuum bleed type of HAC
> should work with
> these carbs, not sure how fussy to adjust they are as I've
> never actually
> seen one.
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 6:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
>
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > I'm flying a model III-A (Probably a prototype Mod III)
> with the 582. I
> > am
> > planning a trip all the way across Canada in '09 and at the
> present time
> > I'm
> > a bit worried that the 582 may not be the best choice of
> engines. If I
> > change out the engine I'll have to get it inspected again
> and may have to
> > do
> > another fly off. That means that if I change out it will
> have to be done
> > before summer '08.
> >
> > I believe the carbs are altitude compensating. There are
> times here, at
> > ~10' ASL the pressure altitude gets down way below sea
> level. On the trip
> > I
> > expect I may have to fly as high as 10,000' will the HKS
> carbs accommodate
> > that.
> >
> > The other question is on the weight of the installation.
> Considering you
> > removed your unnecessary plumbing what was your weight
> change overall??
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Mnflyer
> >> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:19 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Noel, if your asking me, the HKS I converted to is their
> >> only one the 700E, its 60 hp @6200 RPMs, I got my engine &
> >> mount from Lost Hill Aviation in Mo. It was fairly straight
> >> forward to install had to modify the upper round cowl with
> >> two bumps for cylinder clearance and modify the lower boot
> >> cowl to allow air out for cooling. The engine is a jewel it
> >> starts and runs very nice and smooth, does require about 6
> >> min. to warm up to get to the required oil temp for takeoff.
> >> I used my 66" tech III GSC prop from the 582, pitch setting
> >> was reduced from 14 degrees to 13.5 degrees the takeoff roll
> >> increased by about 100' and the rate of climb went down by
> >> about 100' but my cruise increased by a solid 5 MPH. The fuel
> >> burn went from 4.25 to 4.5 gph with the 582 to 3 GPH MAX with
> >> the HKS, thats running at 5700 RPMs at cruise. I flew it 125
> >> hrs since last April and I really like and now the TBO has
> >> been upped to 1000 hrs and the cost of parts to OH is about
> >> $1500, plus any good mecha!
> >> nic can overhaul it, no pressed togather crankshaft etc.
> >> I have absolutely no problems just change oil & filter and
> >> add gas, it has used NO oil in the 125 hrs. there isn't 15 CC
> >> of oil in the breather bottle in 125 hrs. The ignition and
> >> alternator are so quite that I can hear my radio clearly now
> >> unlike the Rotax (and I tried all the fixs for the Rotax
> >> still always had noise) nothing now and I like that.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> GB
> >> MNFlyer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87813#87813
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Update |
I've looked at the archives on fuel tank problems and fixes and I gather
Skystars last fuel tanks where built using a vinyl ester resin.Has
anyone using that tank experienced problems with auto fuel and the
additives?I've pulled the 13 gal.tanks on my 1992 IV 1050 and I'm
concidering buying Johns new tanks and I'd like to continue to use auto
fuel.Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
Dave,
Your problem wasn't that your mags didn't work. What the problem was is that you
had the right conditions inside the engine, air and fuel, and when you turned(by
hand) over the engine it dieseled, yup, if you would have manually had things
grounded to prevent the mags from working the engine would have still fired.
I've had mine fire like this after pulling the choke and having the mags off and
letting it turn over for a count of 12. When I turn the mags back on and try
to start it doesn't want to hit on all 4 so I quickly turn the mags off and
pull the choke and turn it over some more, the very first turn over will make
the engine fire, but not start, it dieseled.
The accurance is perfectly normal, you had been try to start the engine on one
mag because you stated that you found a wire off, reinstalled it and now it works
fine.
Move on and learn from it. As far as the pre turn over to burp the engine. Fooy
on that I don't do it. What I do is, only on a cold engine that hasn't been
run for at least 24 hrs. is to rotate the prop no more that one complete turn(I'm
checking for hydrolic lock) then I get in the plane after doing my other
check list. I pull the choke and leave the mags OFF, then I'll turn over the
engine for a count of 4 in the summer and 12 in the winter, also I look at the
oil pressure to make sure I have pressure. I release the starter switch. Then
I let go of the choke and turn on the mags and start the engine.
This is not only the safest way to start the engine, but I find it less of a strain
on my muscles.
Hope this helps.
kitfoxmike
912ul
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larry,
not sure what you are wanting to know, but I have the old atv wheel. The tire
is that same size as the skyfox tire that is talked about. as far as the ground
to axle distance, I'll have to take a measurement for an exact for the tire
does squish a little sitting on the ground.
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| Subject: | Re: King Fox tire reviewsKing Fox tire reviews |
Rims are still available and its very easy to tig on the mounting lugs
for the rotors .
John
eskflyer@lvcisp.com
580-695-8778
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: King Fox tire reviewsKing Fox tire
reviews
Hi John, Do you know if those Douglas rims are still availible? Did
skystar or did douglas weld the little plates on the back were the brake
rotor bolts on ?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
currenty I'm running on the left tank, which I believe is one of those tanks, I
replaced the smaller tank on the left wing with a new larger one bought from
skystar two years ago just before they went defunked. I put in auto fuel and
locally it's suppose to have 10% alchahol, and it's also oxegenated, whatever
that is suppose to mean, totally. I've been a mechanic for 28 years and I still
don't fully understand what they are doing with our fuel, if you know what
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Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping. However they don't seem
to charge if the battery was dead and they were started by propping them. It
seems that the charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that right? To reiterate,
the engine will always easily start by propping with no battery power (or
very little) the engine will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with zero charge time,
everything will work and charge.
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I thought I would give a report on a little tail wheel experience that I had a
couple weeks ago. First off, I have a home builders tail wheel. Second, the
temps outside was 25degrees f. I went out to fly and was having a good time doing
main wheel touches and decided it was time to land. I came in slow and did
a three point land, as soon as I touched I was all over the place, major right
then left after correction. I did a go around and tried a wheel landing trying
to figure out what was happening, nice and smooth until the rear wheel touched,
then it was all over the place again, I came to a stop and taxied a little
to make sure the tail wheel was hopefully locked in, seemed to be. I took
back off and went to the other runway this time and landed, nice and straight
and on track. Got to the hanger and shut down and proceeded to back it into
the t-hangar and found the tail wheel was having a terrible time locking in.
I went to the shop and got my grease gun with Amzoil grease. I went back to the
hangar and raised the rear of the plane and greased the wheel and made sure
all the old grease came out and the wheel locked and unlocked. This made a huge
difference on the tail wheel, works perfect now. I suggest the Amzoil grease
be used in both the tail wheel and the main wheel bearings. I went and did
an experiment and repacked the left wheel and left the right one with the old
grease in it. Then I went up and watched the wheels on both take off and wheel
touch and goes and wow that left wheel free rolls a lot more than the right,
I have the same preload on both. I went and did the right side and it now turns
like the left. This stuff is great, expecially in the cold.
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Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know what they are
doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping on the ethanol band wagon,
but I think it's only a matter of time before some hack bureaucrats put the
squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo science.
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
Mike ,
I find the same on my Matco tailwheel , keep it greased.
I use that blue grease ( lithium ? not sure) , same as we use to sno
machines, farm equip and everything.
Amsoil ? I have no idea but if it is synthetic it is possbile that is will
attract moisture and not repel it.
Dave
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From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel fun
>
> I thought I would give a report on a little tail wheel experience that I
> had a couple weeks ago. First off, I have a home builders tail wheel.
> Second, the temps outside was 25degrees f. I went out to fly and was
> having a good time doing main wheel touches and decided it was time to
> land. I came in slow and did a three point land, as soon as I touched I
> was all over the place, major right then left after correction. I did a
> go around and tried a wheel landing trying to figure out what was
> happening, nice and smooth until the rear wheel touched, then it was all
> over the place again, I came to a stop and taxied a little to make sure
> the tail wheel was hopefully locked in, seemed to be. I took back off and
> went to the other runway this time and landed, nice and straight and on
> track. Got to the hanger and shut down and proceeded to back it into the
> t-hangar and found the tail wheel was having a terrible time locking in.
>
> I went to the shop and got my grease gun with Amzoil grease. I went back
> to the hangar and raised the rear of the plane and greased the wheel and
> made sure all the old grease came out and the wheel locked and unlocked.
> This made a huge difference on the tail wheel, works perfect now. I
> suggest the Amzoil grease be used in both the tail wheel and the main
> wheel bearings. I went and did an experiment and repacked the left wheel
> and left the right one with the old grease in it. Then I went up and
> watched the wheels on both take off and wheel touch and goes and wow that
> left wheel free rolls a lot more than the right, I have the same preload
> on both. I went and did the right side and it now turns like the left.
> This stuff is great, expecially in the cold.
>
> kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88038#88038
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>
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Here is something i got today , hog producers are going to hurt because
ethanol is driving up corn prices?
I still do not think corn ethanol is a benefit to us all .
A little off topic but on topic about ethanol .
I have the rest of article , if you want private mail me.
Dave
DJ FOCUS: High Corn, New US Pork Plant Could Cause Shake-Up(DJ)
By Curt Thacker
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
KANSAS CITY (Dow Jones)--A tug of war could develop between
packers for available hog supplies before the end of the decade if
processing capacity increases as currently planned and production
cutbacks occur because of skyrocketing corn prices.
U.S. hog slaughter capacity is expected to expand further within
the next two to three years while swine production is expected to
eventually decline. The result could be the eventual closure of
one or more existing plants, especially those that are older and
considered to be the least efficient operations.
Ethanol Impact
Demand for corn from the growing ethanol industry has boosted feed
prices since last autumn, and that has raised feed prices for
livestock and poultry producers. Hog prices through December were
high enough to keep producers in the black, but the combination of
lower prices and high feed costs likely will result in negative
returns for at least some producers during the first quarter.
The demand-driven rise in corn prices, unlike past spikes caused
mainly by periodic drought problems, is expected to last for the
foreseeable future due to the burgeoning ethanol industry. In the
U.S., corn is the main feedstock. Just Friday, the U.S. Department
of Agriculture estimated nearly 23% of the 2006-07 corn harvest went
to ethanol.
The prospect of corn prices at a new higher plateau of $3.50 per
bushel or more could cause some hog producers to exit the business
altogether while others may reduce their herd size due to tightened
margins. While ethanol has been a factor in corn prices for some
time, corn prices zoomed in the fall, and Chicago Board of Trade
corn prices rose about 70% in 2006.
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From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>
> Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know what
> they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping on the
> ethanol band wagon, but I think it's only a matter of time before some
> hack bureaucrats put the squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo
> science.
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: charging problem |
I had a similar experience with the Rotax stock regulator/rectifier on my Mod 2/582.
Also noticed that surface of the unit was bubbled as tho it had overheated.
I replaced with the Key West, an easy job, and no problems since.
I have a model 4 with a 582 rotax. My volt guage reads 12 to 16volts. In flight.
the last time I flew it after about 10 min it droped to 12volts and stayed their.
I currently have the regulator/rectifier #264 870
I am wanting to upgrade to the KEY WEST POWER SUPPLY or the
KUNTZLEMAN POWER SUPPLY. Has anyone had any experience with these options? what
are your recomendations?
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
I also wiped off all grease. Plus I decided to put grease in the wheel monthy.
which for me is about 50 hrs. Good note on the lithium grease though.
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I agree, we are left pretty well in the dark.
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
Mike, After this king fox vidoe on the weekend the tailwheel was frozen a
gain as well as most of the controls
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kitfoxflyer
Hosed it down and it thawed, then re - greased that tailwheel .
If we get everyone on this list to do a 10 minute movie each - well then we
can get our own site like KITFOXTUBE.com lol
would be the ultimate and show those supercub hardcore guys that there is
life beyond a Piper product
< snicker>
btw if you search on youtue for supercub hardcore i made a treat for you
guys
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=supercub+hardcore
:)
Dave
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
> I also wiped off all grease. Plus I decided to put grease in the wheel
> monthy. which for me is about 50 hrs. Good note on the lithium grease
> though.
>
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Dave,
great idea, I have a nice vid camera and I want to make some, just too cold and
I need to get the boy out on the runway to take pics. I see that you are 47,
I turned 49 last August. I also put my heat gun in the hangar for when the door
wheels decide to freeze and for any thing like the tail wheel freezing, works
good.
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>From my experience of flying a 582 for 278 hrs and now flying the HKS 125 hrs
the HKS has as much power as the 582, it has far more power than the 503, the
HKS needs a long prop to use its available torque and of course not all airplane
repond to engines and props the same. But properly fit with the right prop
and pitch setting the HKS is equal in power and prefornace to the out582 anyday
of the week. My airfield is not high 1400' MSL and 1300' long has obstuctions
at both ends and I would not even consider a Kitfox with a 503 but the HKS
gets me in and out as well as the 582 ever did on any given day.
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>From my experience of flying a 582 for 278 hrs and now flying the HKS 125 hrs
the HKS has as much power as the 582, it has far more power than the 503, the
HKS needs a long prop to use its available torque and of course not all airplanes
repond to engines and props the same. But properly fit with the right prop
and pitch setting the HKS is equal in power and prefornace to the out582 anyday
of the week. My airfield is not high 1400' MSL and 1300' long has obstuctions
at both ends and I would not even consider a Kitfox with a 503 but the HKS
gets me in and out as well as the 582 ever did on any given day.
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
also, the heat I use is the 1500 watt gun. When I use a heat gun on fabric for
those occational wrinkles, I use a heat gun used on monokote for remote aircraft.
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How much does your Kitfox weigh with the HKS ?
I fly regularly a friend Kitfox 1 with 503 single carb and it will clear a
75 foot obstacle in about 600 feet . It weights about 430 lbs i think. This
is his here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR16rYZFccU The second plane
is a 503 and 84 yr old man flying it .
I don't think you can compare a 582 shortfield to a HKS .......
Here is 582 performance http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kitfoxflyer
If your HKS can compare to that equally , well pass over the crow and i will
eat it. :-) an some salt an pepper :)
Dave
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
>>From my experience of flying a 582 for 278 hrs and now flying the HKS 125
>>hrs the HKS has as much power as the 582, it has far more power than the
>>503, the HKS needs a long prop to use its available torque and of course
>>not all airplanes repond to engines and props the same. But properly fit
>>with the right prop and pitch setting the HKS is equal in power and
>>prefornace to the out582 anyday of the week. My airfield is not high
>>1400' MSL and 1300' long has obstuctions at both ends and I would not
>>even consider a Kitfox with a 503 but the HKS gets me in and out as well
>>as the 582 ever did on any given day.
>
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> MNFlyer
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well I think it will be interesting.... probably this spring.... to
really compare two KF 2 side by side.. we will have that chance to have an
objective comparison...
One KF2 was converted I believe from a 532 to a brand new, latest version of
the HKS and mine a KF2 with a 582 BH I have about 400 hours on mine .. as far
as the shorter take off... my bet is on the 582, as far as fuel economy...
easy HKS.... as far as cruise.... no idea.... but be patient we have
crappy weather ...
This will be fun...
will keep you posted...
Dave
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Dave, Side by side is exactly what we need. Even the post on the 912 vs
the Jab 2200 the two airplanes didn't fly side by side due to an unforseen
problem. I would trust side by side comparisons anytime over stop watch
comparisons.
Lowell
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
> These are all great engines. The HKS is a really nice engine. As good
> as
> it is, it just doesn't have the power of the 582. Mark B who is used in
> the
> HKS ads with his Odessy... loves his but says they use small horses in
> me
> asuring HP. In his view, it has the power of a 503 but heavier and much
> more
> fuel efficient.
>
> I got to fly in that plane. If it had just a bit more power, I would use
> it,
> other than that it seems to be a wonderful engine.
>
> Again my strip is short, and on a hot day, no wind I like that extra
> margin... if my strip was longer, I may have an HKS installed. With my 16
> gallons
> I could fly forever!
>
> We have a guy that just had a new HKS installed in a KF2 it will be
> really
> interesting to compare side by side... with mine... will keep you posted
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating water like that?
Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am curious if you got any
erosion of the leading edge and what type of prop it is?
Thanks
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ |
The CEO of BP made the observation that is does not seem correct that
there are millions of people starving in the 3rd world and in the US
they use corn to propel cars.
Not his exact words but the same meaning.
Paul
================
At 10:01 AM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
>
>Here is something i got today , hog producers are going to hurt
>because ethanol is driving up corn prices?
>
>I still do not think corn ethanol is a benefit to us all .
>A little off topic but on topic about ethanol .
>I have the rest of article , if you want private mail me.
>
>Dave
>
>
> DJ FOCUS: High Corn, New US Pork Plant Could Cause Shake-Up(DJ)
>
>
> By Curt Thacker
> Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
>
> KANSAS CITY (Dow Jones)--A tug of war could develop between
>packers for available hog supplies before the end of the decade if
>processing capacity increases as currently planned and production
>cutbacks occur because of skyrocketing corn prices.
> U.S. hog slaughter capacity is expected to expand further within
>the next two to three years while swine production is expected to
>eventually decline. The result could be the eventual closure of
>one or more existing plants, especially those that are older and
>considered to be the least efficient operations.
>
> Ethanol Impact
>
> Demand for corn from the growing ethanol industry has boosted feed
>prices since last autumn, and that has raised feed prices for
>livestock and poultry producers. Hog prices through December were
>high enough to keep producers in the black, but the combination of
>lower prices and high feed costs likely will result in negative
>returns for at least some producers during the first quarter.
> The demand-driven rise in corn prices, unlike past spikes caused
>mainly by periodic drought problems, is expected to last for the
>foreseeable future due to the burgeoning ethanol industry. In the
>U.S., corn is the main feedstock. Just Friday, the U.S. Department
>of Agriculture estimated nearly 23% of the 2006-07 corn harvest went
>to ethanol.
> The prospect of corn prices at a new higher plateau of $3.50 per
>bushel or more could cause some hog producers to exit the business
>altogether while others may reduce their herd size due to tightened
>margins. While ethanol has been a factor in corn prices for some
>time, corn prices zoomed in the fall, and Chicago Board of Trade
>corn prices rose about 70% in 2006.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:41 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>
>
>>
>>Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know
>>what they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping
>>on the ethanol band wagon, but I think it's only a matter of time
>>before some hack bureaucrats put the squeeze on us to comply with
>>their voodoo science.
>>
>>--------
>>Dave
>>Speedster 912 UL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88043#88043
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
On Jan 16, 2007, at 7:34 PM, dave wrote:
> If we get everyone on this list to do a 10 minute movie each - well
> then we can get our own site like KITFOXTUBE.com lol
That would be great, Dave, but we already have:
http://kitfox.lazair.com/
with Kitfox video. Should we try to regroup everything in one place?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually "IF"
I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP prop on
floats with no erosion.
I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about 25F
that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating water
> like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am curious if
> you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of prop it is?
> Thanks
> Bob
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88091#88091
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
instead of being called, response to mowing the grass, it should be boys playing
in the mud.
--------
kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
Cliff,
I have researeched Vinyl Ester resins and it seems that there are numerous
formulations. Some are formulated for alcohol resistance, others for other
purposes. I have been running an experiment since October first of 2006 and
have several balsa wood floats coated with: 1) the vinyl ester resin
avalilable from Aircraft Spruce, 2) Kreem, the fuel tank sloshing compound
provided by Skystar, and 3) Gas Tank Sealer from JC Whitney. I have these
floats in test tubes in California auto gas - 7% ethanol, I believe, and
denatured alcohol 97% ethonol.
Periodically, I take the floats up to a virtual altitude of 14,000 ft. which
is likely above the service ceiling of our aircraft. This allows me to
check for a violation of the integrety of the coating as in a low pressure
environment, the air in the balsa would expand and force it's way through
the coating resulting on a bubble or bubbles on the surface of the float.
This vacuum testis done in a bell jar and is observed closely.
I can tell you this much. Keep in mind that the vinyl ester resin from
Aircraft Spruce in an unknown quantity as it comes in a plain can with only
a flamability lable and the ACS part number. I think it is a 3M product per
the ACS catalogue, but have been unable to indentify it more closely than
that. The vinyl ester resin is the only one to date that has any detectable
reaction to the alcohol. In both instances - the 7% and the 97% the surface
has lost it's sheen. None of the floats covered with the tank sealer have
shown any difference in appearance.
To examine the surface appearance of the floats, they must be dried. After
returning the floats to their respective fluid environments, the sealer
coated floats showed no difference taken to the 14,000 ft. pressure, but the
vinyl ester floats showed that they had absorbed air in to the resin layer
as thousands of near microscopic bubbles were seen coming from the entire
resin surface.
What does this all mean? Who knows for sure, but I have the 1992/3 fuel
tanks Kreem sloshed. I am happy with that. For my own personal sense of
well being, if I had the newer vinyl ester resin tanks, I would slosh them
with Kreem using the Kreem guidelines with some info gleaned from this list
regarding thinning of the Kreem before sloshing.
Other opinions may vary.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Olson" <colsonj@provide.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Update
I've looked at the archives on fuel tank problems and fixes and I gather
Skystars last fuel tanks where built using a vinyl ester resin.Has anyone
using that tank experienced problems with auto fuel and the additives?I've
pulled the 13 gal.tanks on my 1992 IV 1050 and I'm concidering buying Johns
new tanks and I'd like to continue to use auto fuel.Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
Dave,
I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On a
25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One other
video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't you worry
about an engine seizure?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
> prop on floats with no erosion.
> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
>
>>
>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating water
>> like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am curious if
>> you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of prop it is?
>> Thanks
>> Bob
>>
>> --------
>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88091#88091
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
What you have to do is to energize the field coils of your alternator before
it can produce any current. If you battery is so far gone it won't even
energize the filed coils than I guess it's time to send it off to the
knackers. If your battery is discharging while the engine is stopped try
installing a master switch to completely isolate the battery.... BTW some
planes are wired so the clock is always live.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>
>
>
> Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping.
> However they don't seem to charge if the battery was dead and
> they were started by propping them. It seems that the
> charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
> the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that
> right? To reiterate, the engine will always easily start by
> propping with no battery power (or very little) the engine
> will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
> gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with
> zero charge time, everything will work and charge.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88021#88021
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
OK,
So how are you thinning the slosh? I have the new tanks and will take your suggestion.
Thanks,
Neal
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Cliff,
>
> I have researeched Vinyl Ester resins and it seems that there are numerous
> formulations. Some are formulated for alcohol resistance, others for other
> purposes. I have been running an experiment since October first of 2006 and
> have several balsa wood floats coated with: 1) the vinyl ester resin
> avalilable from Aircraft Spruce, 2) Kreem, the fuel tank sloshing compound
> provided by Skystar, and 3) Gas Tank Sealer from JC Whitney. I have these
> floats in test tubes in California auto gas - 7% ethanol, I believe, and
> denatured alcohol 97% ethonol.
>
> Periodically, I take the floats up to a virtual altitude of 14,000 ft. which
> is likely above the service ceiling of our aircraft. This allows me to
> check for a violation of the integrety of the coating as in a low pressure
> environment, the air in the balsa would expand and force it's way through
> the coating resulting on a bubble or bubbles on the surface of the float.
> This vacuum testis done in a bell jar and is observed closely.
>
> I can tell you this much. Keep in mind that the vinyl ester resin from
> Aircraft Spruce in an unknown quantity as it comes in a plain can with only
> a flamability lable and the ACS part number. I think it is a 3M product per
> the ACS catalogue, but have been unable to indentify it more closely than
> that. The vinyl ester resin is the only one to date that has any detectable
> reaction to the alcohol. In both instances - the 7% and the 97% the surface
> has lost it's sheen. None of the floats covered with the tank sealer have
> shown any difference in appearance.
>
> To examine the surface appearance of the floats, they must be dried. After
> returning the floats to their respective fluid environments, the sealer
> coated floats showed no difference taken to the 14,000 ft. pressure, but the
> vinyl ester floats showed that they had absorbed air in to the resin layer
> as thousands of near microscopic bubbles were seen coming from the entire
> resin surface.
>
> What does this all mean? Who knows for sure, but I have the 1992/3 fuel
> tanks Kreem sloshed. I am happy with that. For my own personal sense of
> well being, if I had the newer vinyl ester resin tanks, I would slosh them
> with Kreem using the Kreem guidelines with some info gleaned from this list
> regarding thinning of the Kreem before sloshing.
>
> Other opinions may vary.
>
> Lowell
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<DIV>OK,</DIV>
<DIV>So how are you thinning the slosh? I have the new tanks and will take your
suggestion.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Neal</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Lowell Fitt" <LCFITT@SBCGLOBAL.NET><BR>> <BR>> Cliff, <BR>> <BR>>
I have researeched Vinyl Ester resins and it seems that there are numerous
<BR>> formulations. Some are formulated for alcohol resistance, others for
other <BR>> purposes. I have been running an experiment since October first
of 2006 and <BR>> have several balsa wood floats coated with: 1) the vinyl
ester resin <BR>> avalilable from Aircraft Spruce, 2) Kreem, the fuel tank
sloshing compound <BR>> provided by Skystar, and 3) Gas Tank Sealer from
JC Whitney. I have these <BR>> floats in test tubes in California auto gas
- 7% ethanol, I believe, and <BR>> denatured alcohol 97% ethonol. <BR>>
<BR>> Periodically, I take the floats up to a vir
tual a
ltitude of 14,000 ft. which <BR>> is likely above the service ceiling of our
aircraft. This allows me to <BR>> check for a violation of the integrety of
the coating as in a low pressure <BR>> environment, the air in the balsa
would expand and force it's way through <BR>> the coating resulting on a bubble
or bubbles on the surface of the float. <BR>> This vacuum testis done
in a bell jar and is observed closely. <BR>> <BR>> I can tell you this much.
Keep in mind that the vinyl ester resin from <BR>> Aircraft Spruce in
an unknown quantity as it comes in a plain can with only <BR>> a flamability
lable and the ACS part number. I think it is a 3M product per <BR>> the ACS
catalogue, but have been unable to indentify it more closely than <BR>>
that. The vinyl ester resin is the only one to date that has any detectable <BR>>
reaction to the alcohol. In both instances - the 7% and the 97% the surface
<BR>> has lost it's sheen. None of the floats
cover
ed with the tank sealer have <BR>> shown any difference in appearance. <BR>>
<BR>> To examine the surface appearance of the floats, they must be dried.
After <BR>> returning the floats to their respective fluid environments,
the sealer <BR>> coated floats showed no difference taken to the 14,000 ft.
pressure, but the <BR>> vinyl ester floats showed that they had absorbed
air in to the resin layer <BR>> as thousands of near microscopic bubbles were
seen coming from the entire <BR>> resin surface. <BR>> <BR>> What
does this all mean? Who knows for sure, but I have the 1992/3 fuel <BR>> tanks
Kreem sloshed. I am happy with that. For my own personal sense of <BR>>
well being, if I had the newer vinyl ester resin tanks, I would slosh them <BR>>
with Kreem using the Kreem guidelines with some info gleaned from this
list <BR>> regarding thinning of the Kreem before sloshing. <BR>> <BR>>
Other opinions may vary. <BR>> <BR>> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
Don,
You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after a cold
start. But I think you are talking about the air start video ? I think
it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the engine
longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the other
clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the temps
stabilized over 150.
Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs at about
120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual due soon so I
will most likely replace then plugs then.
Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as well
cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You know once the
temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure waiting to
happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few times till the temps climb
up to 150 or so before full power.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
> Dave,
> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On a
> 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One
> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't you
> worry about an engine seizure?
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
>
>>
>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating water
>>> like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am curious if
>>> you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of prop it is?
>>> Thanks
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88091#88091
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
hehe YUP !!
I used to be big into 4 wheeling in the late 70s to early 80s
I was the first guy to do a 4 x 4 Pinto that was 6 feet tall with 350
HP plus used to do serious off roading.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
> instead of being called, response to mowing the grass, it should be boys
> playing in the mud.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88102#88102
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
Voodoo science??
What an overt dirty insult to true Voodoo science!
Noel
When You're right, you're right!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:11 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>
>
>
> Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to
> know what they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far
> resisted jumping on the ethanol band wagon, but I think it's
> only a matter of time before some hack bureaucrats put the
> squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo science.
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88043#88043
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
Sorry, Noel, No field coils in a 912. Nor an alternator, unless the owner
opted for the alternator upgrade.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>
> What you have to do is to energize the field coils of your alternator
> before
> it can produce any current. If you battery is so far gone it won't even
> energize the filed coils than I guess it's time to send it off to the
> knackers. If your battery is discharging while the engine is stopped try
> installing a master switch to completely isolate the battery.... BTW some
> planes are wired so the clock is always live.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:17 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>>
>>
>>
>> Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping.
>> However they don't seem to charge if the battery was dead and
>> they were started by propping them. It seems that the
>> charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
>> the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that
>> right? To reiterate, the engine will always easily start by
>> propping with no battery power (or very little) the engine
>> will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
>> gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with
>> zero charge time, everything will work and charge.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88021#88021
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Lithium is the milky white grease. As the lithium in it oxidizes it gets
darker. Blue may be Teflon.
Noel
Do not archive... Ok.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:28 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel fun
>
>
>
> Mike ,
>
> I find the same on my Matco tailwheel , keep it greased.
> I use that blue grease ( lithium ? not sure) , same as we use to sno
> machines, farm equip and everything.
> Amsoil ? I have no idea but if it is synthetic it is
> possbile that is will
> attract moisture and not repel it.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:08 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel fun
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
> >
> > I thought I would give a report on a little tail wheel
> experience that I
> > had a couple weeks ago. First off, I have a home builders
> tail wheel.
> > Second, the temps outside was 25degrees f. I went out to
> fly and was
> > having a good time doing main wheel touches and decided it
> was time to
> > land. I came in slow and did a three point land, as soon
> as I touched I
> > was all over the place, major right then left after
> correction. I did a
> > go around and tried a wheel landing trying to figure out what was
> > happening, nice and smooth until the rear wheel touched,
> then it was all
> > over the place again, I came to a stop and taxied a little
> to make sure
> > the tail wheel was hopefully locked in, seemed to be. I
> took back off and
> > went to the other runway this time and landed, nice and
> straight and on
> > track. Got to the hanger and shut down and proceeded to
> back it into the
> > t-hangar and found the tail wheel was having a terrible
> time locking in.
> >
> > I went to the shop and got my grease gun with Amzoil
> grease. I went back
> > to the hangar and raised the rear of the plane and greased
> the wheel and
> > made sure all the old grease came out and the wheel locked
> and unlocked.
> > This made a huge difference on the tail wheel, works
> perfect now. I
> > suggest the Amzoil grease be used in both the tail wheel
> and the main
> > wheel bearings. I went and did an experiment and repacked
> the left wheel
> > and left the right one with the old grease in it. Then I
> went up and
> > watched the wheels on both take off and wheel touch and
> goes and wow that
> > left wheel free rolls a lot more than the right, I have the
> same preload
> > on both. I went and did the right side and it now turns
> like the left.
> > This stuff is great, expecially in the cold.
> >
> > kitfoxmike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Off topic Ethanol on WSJ |
Just a few points... I don't want to belabour the point, my feelings on the
use of ethanol as engine fuel are well documented.
Dave:
Hog producers won't be the only ones who are going to suffer because of the
ethanol. This whole idea is going to accelerate inflation and then we all
can pay..... Both sides of the 49th.
I remember saying that the land should be put to work producing food not
some cost in effective bio fuel. Idiots in both our governments either
can't read or count... Probably neither!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:32 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ
>
>
>
> Here is something i got today , hog producers are going to
> hurt because
> ethanol is driving up corn prices?
>
> I still do not think corn ethanol is a benefit to us all .
> A little off topic but on topic about ethanol .
> I have the rest of article , if you want private mail me.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> DJ FOCUS: High Corn, New US Pork Plant Could Cause Shake-Up(DJ)
>
>
> By Curt Thacker
> Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
>
> KANSAS CITY (Dow Jones)--A tug of war could develop between
> packers for available hog supplies before the end of the decade if
> processing capacity increases as currently planned and production
> cutbacks occur because of skyrocketing corn prices.
> U.S. hog slaughter capacity is expected to expand further within
> the next two to three years while swine production is expected to
> eventually decline. The result could be the eventual closure of
> one or more existing plants, especially those that are older and
> considered to be the least efficient operations.
>
> Ethanol Impact
>
> Demand for corn from the growing ethanol industry has boosted feed
> prices since last autumn, and that has raised feed prices for
> livestock and poultry producers. Hog prices through December were
> high enough to keep producers in the black, but the combination of
> lower prices and high feed costs likely will result in negative
> returns for at least some producers during the first quarter.
> The demand-driven rise in corn prices, unlike past spikes caused
> mainly by periodic drought problems, is expected to last for the
> foreseeable future due to the burgeoning ethanol industry. In the
> U.S., corn is the main feedstock. Just Friday, the U.S. Department
> of Agriculture estimated nearly 23% of the 2006-07 corn harvest went
> to ethanol.
> The prospect of corn prices at a new higher plateau of $3.50 per
> bushel or more could cause some hog producers to exit the business
> altogether while others may reduce their herd size due to tightened
> margins. While ethanol has been a factor in corn prices for some
> time, corn prices zoomed in the fall, and Chicago Board of Trade
> corn prices rose about 70% in 2006.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:41 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>
>
> >
> > Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist
> to know what
> > they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted
> jumping on the
> > ethanol band wagon, but I think it's only a matter of time
> before some
> > hack bureaucrats put the squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo
> > science.
> >
> > --------
> > Dave
> > Speedster 912 UL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88043#88043
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
My apology to all of the Voodoo Scientists I insulted. You are all a million times
better than the stinking politicians and the lobbyists.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the magnetic
plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be removed to check for
engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as they say it can be? I'm
getting ready to do this and was curious what I'm getting into.
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
one note on the new tank that I got from skystar, it's fiberglass and I asked if
it needed to be sloshed, frank told me no. So I didn't.
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kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
The teflon grease I have is blue and in a can. THis stuff is fluffy, real light,
like wipped cream. I use it on the splines in drive lines.
--------
kitfoxmike
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=0AHi List,=0A=0AIs anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL?
Any problems? How do you get the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL.
Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and mogas that has ethanol? =0A
=0AI recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are v
ery prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.=0A=0ARog
er=0AN499KF
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ |
Tell the CEO of BP not to ever consider going into politics..... He has too
much common sense!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update Ethanol on WSJ
>
>
>
> The CEO of BP made the observation that is does not seem correct that
> there are millions of people starving in the 3rd world and in the US
> they use corn to propel cars.
> Not his exact words but the same meaning.
> Paul
> ================
> At 10:01 AM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >Here is something i got today , hog producers are going to hurt
> >because ethanol is driving up corn prices?
> >
> >I still do not think corn ethanol is a benefit to us all .
> >A little off topic but on topic about ethanol .
> >I have the rest of article , if you want private mail me.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > DJ FOCUS: High Corn, New US Pork Plant Could Cause Shake-Up(DJ)
> >
> >
> > By Curt Thacker
> > Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
> >
> > KANSAS CITY (Dow Jones)--A tug of war could develop between
> >packers for available hog supplies before the end of the decade if
> >processing capacity increases as currently planned and production
> >cutbacks occur because of skyrocketing corn prices.
> > U.S. hog slaughter capacity is expected to expand further within
> >the next two to three years while swine production is expected to
> >eventually decline. The result could be the eventual closure of
> >one or more existing plants, especially those that are older and
> >considered to be the least efficient operations.
> >
> > Ethanol Impact
> >
> > Demand for corn from the growing ethanol industry has boosted feed
> >prices since last autumn, and that has raised feed prices for
> >livestock and poultry producers. Hog prices through December were
> >high enough to keep producers in the black, but the combination of
> >lower prices and high feed costs likely will result in negative
> >returns for at least some producers during the first quarter.
> > The demand-driven rise in corn prices, unlike past spikes caused
> >mainly by periodic drought problems, is expected to last for the
> >foreseeable future due to the burgeoning ethanol industry. In the
> >U.S., corn is the main feedstock. Just Friday, the U.S. Department
> >of Agriculture estimated nearly 23% of the 2006-07 corn harvest went
> >to ethanol.
> > The prospect of corn prices at a new higher plateau of $3.50 per
> >bushel or more could cause some hog producers to exit the business
> >altogether while others may reduce their herd size due to tightened
> >margins. While ethanol has been a factor in corn prices for some
> >time, corn prices zoomed in the fall, and Chicago Board of Trade
> >corn prices rose about 70% in 2006.
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:41 PM
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know
> >>what they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping
> >>on the ethanol band wagon, but I think it's only a matter of time
> >>before some hack bureaucrats put the squeeze on us to comply with
> >>their voodoo science.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Dave
> >>Speedster 912 UL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88043#88043
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
I was on the Lazair sight the other night and I don't think it's any where
near back to fully operational.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:18 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2007, at 7:34 PM, dave wrote:
> > If we get everyone on this list to do a 10 minute movie each - well
> > then we can get our own site like KITFOXTUBE.com lol
>
> That would be great, Dave, but we already have:
> http://kitfox.lazair.com/
> with Kitfox video. Should we try to regroup everything in one place?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
Generators usually use a permanent magnet to generate power. While
alternators use a field coil. When he said it wouldn't charge the battery
unless it had been boosted first that sure sounds like a field coil not
energizing.
Some turbine starter generators also have to be flashed with forward current
to change form starter to generator. Doubt you or I will ever see one in a
Kitfox.... Unless the next generation of planes are electric powered!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Sorry, Noel, No field coils in a 912. Nor an alternator,
> unless the owner
> opted for the alternator upgrade.
>
> Lowell
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:08 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>
>
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > What you have to do is to energize the field coils of your
> alternator
> > before
> > it can produce any current. If you battery is so far gone
> it won't even
> > energize the filed coils than I guess it's time to send it
> off to the
> > knackers. If your battery is discharging while the engine
> is stopped try
> > installing a master switch to completely isolate the
> battery.... BTW some
> > planes are wired so the clock is always live.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:17 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> >>
> >>
> <dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping.
> >> However they don't seem to charge if the battery was dead and
> >> they were started by propping them. It seems that the
> >> charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
> >> the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that
> >> right? To reiterate, the engine will always easily start by
> >> propping with no battery power (or very little) the engine
> >> will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
> >> gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with
> >> zero charge time, everything will work and charge.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88021#88021
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| Subject: | Off topic - Fuel Tank Update |
On behalf of the Voodoo scientists, of which I am not one, thank you.
Politicians I expect are to stunned to be stinking..... Lobbyists however,
are another bucket of shaving cream.
Do not archive
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:36 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>
>
>
> My apology to all of the Voodoo Scientists I insulted. You
> are all a million times better than the stinking politicians
> and the lobbyists.
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88137#88137
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I haven't seen the ones on the Rotax engines but the ones that I've seen
in
GA were just like short bolts. you will probably have to cut some lock
wire
and pull the plug. Usually it is the same plug used to drain the engine
oil
so have a container ready to catch the oil. When you put the plug back
in
be sure to redo the lock wire if it was installed.
If you see any silver coloured shiny stuff (shavings) you may not want
to
operate the engine until it's been serviced by a shop. A little black
grit
(sludge) may be normal.
When you do your oil changes you should also change the oil filter.
Take
the old used filter and cut it open with tin snips if you don't have the
proper cutter ( I don't). Inside you will find a pleated paper filter
medium. On a clean bench spread the filter out and look for large
silver
particles. This is where you will probably find metal shavings before
the
magnetic plug.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the
magnetic
plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be removed to check
for
engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as they say it can be? I'm
getting ready to do this and was curious what I'm getting into.
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree range
during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my
radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to
completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
> Don,
>
> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after a
> cold start. But I think you are talking about the air start video ? I
> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
>
> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the engine
> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the other
> clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the temps
> stabilized over 150.
>
> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs at
> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual due
> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
>
> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as
> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You know
> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure
> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few times till
> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
>
>>
>> Dave,
>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On a
>> 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One
>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't
>> you worry about an engine seizure?
>>
>> Don Smythe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating
>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am
>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of
>>>> prop it is?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88091#88091
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun |
You got me...
The last Teflon grease I had was believe it or not pink. It turns as hard
as a rock when the temperature drops. I had a small supply of light green
Teflon grease a few years ago. It was the only thing I could use on the
dryer section of photographic processors that didn't pick up all kinds of
dust. I expect there are different weights/types of Teflon grease.... Then
again the label should tell you all you need to know.
Noel
Do not archive.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> The teflon grease I have is blue and in a can. THis stuff is
> fluffy, real light, like wipped cream. I use it on the
> splines in drive lines.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> Do not archive
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Are you talking about the plug on the gearbox? I check it every oil
change...
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the magnetic
plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be removed to check for
engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as they say it can be? I'm
getting ready to do this and was curious what I'm getting into.
Roger Mac
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The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it can use 100LL
in
small quantities extended use may damage your engine or shorten your
TBO..... use what the manufacturer recommends. You may have to carry
your
fuel in. Check in your area. It is possible that only the regular
grade of
gas is contaminated/degraded with Eth.
Just watch the expression of your FBOs A&P when you ask him about the
dangers of Ethanol in aviation fuel. What are the bets he answers with
one
word....."Don't"!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Standley
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
Hi List,
Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get
the
TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP
and
mogas that has ethanol?
I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very
prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.
Roger
N499KF
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I say you can do it, I did all last winter. This winter I went all auto fuel and
had no problems at all. Are you in a community hanger? Can you get into the
hanger after hours? I would just move the plane out on the flight line and
pull your vehicle up to it and put the car gas in it. I use to put it in the
airplane in the hanger, generally after hours. I can get 5 gallons from the
storage container to the plastic jug to the airplane in about 5 minutes or less.
--------
kitfoxmike
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88175#88175
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP |
>Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get
the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and
mogas that has ethanol?
Roger, I have been using 100LL with TCP and Mystery oil for the past year in
my 912ul with no problem. The spark plugs show no sign of lead deposits and
the oil seems to stay very clean looking as compared to how fast I remember
the oil turning dark in my Cessna with out TCP, probably talking apples and
oranges here, but just my observation. I simply add the appropriate amounts of
both to the fuel tanks after toping off. I figure dispersion and sloshing
during the next flight will take care of the mixing. I can't comment on the
ethanol part as I have made a point to avoid it and this is the major reason for
switching to 100LL.
Bill W.
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Plug |
Noel,
First it's field coils on the 912 then it's the magnet is on the same plug
used to drain the oil. Not even close either time. Keep trying, though.
For Roger, I pull the plug on every oil change. I use an allen socket with
a wobble extension. It will loosen with a pop. The seal is just the face
of the case against the inner face of the plug. I don't remember the torque
for tightening, but I find the safety wiring the biggest chaellenge next to
keeping the mess down.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
I haven't seen the ones on the Rotax engines but the ones that I've seen in
GA were just like short bolts. you will probably have to cut some lock wire
and pull the plug. Usually it is the same plug used to drain the engine oil
so have a container ready to catch the oil. When you put the plug back in
be sure to redo the lock wire if it was installed.
If you see any silver coloured shiny stuff (shavings) you may not want to
operate the engine until it's been serviced by a shop. A little black grit
(sludge) may be normal.
When you do your oil changes you should also change the oil filter. Take
the old used filter and cut it open with tin snips if you don't have the
proper cutter ( I don't). Inside you will find a pleated paper filter
medium. On a clean bench spread the filter out and look for large silver
particles. This is where you will probably find metal shavings before the
magnetic plug.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the magnetic
plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be removed to check for
engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as they say it can be? I'm
getting ready to do this and was curious what I'm getting into.
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP |
Roger,
I have used the product John McBean sells on his Sportplane LLC website.
The guys I see using it pours the appropriate amount in the tank before
fueling. I think the thinking is that the fuel flowing in the tank will
give a sufficient mixing.
The stuff John sells is not flamable and is packaged in a squeeze container
that has a measuring feature in it. It works very nicely at the pump.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
Hi List,
Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the
TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and
mogas that has ethanol?
I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very
prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.
Roger
N499KF
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I believe it is on the left side just behind the gear box.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TC
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Are you talking about the plug on the gearbox? I check it every oil
change...
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the magnetic
plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be removed to check for
engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as they say it can be? I'm
getting ready to do this and was curious what I'm getting into.
Roger Mac
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
Cliff,
I hope someone chimes in here if I have this wrong, but I think the
recommendation is that you first rinse with Acetone to remove any residue
that may be in the tank. For some reason there tends to be a build up of
pressure when rinsing, so have some way to bleed that off during the rinse.
Thin the Kreem with MEK 50:50 and use that for the slosh. Follow the
directions on the btle for the actual sloshing.
Regarding MEK, before anyone chimes in about its hazards, please do a Google
search and read the MSDS. There are far too many urban legends on this
stuff.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <nealscherm@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Update
> OK,
> So how are you thinning the slosh? I have the new tanks and will take your
> suggestion.
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
>>
>> Cliff,
>>
>> I have researeched Vinyl Ester resins and it seems that there are
>> numerous
>> formulations. Some are formulated for alcohol resistance, others for
>> other
>> purposes. I have been running an experiment since October first of 2006
>> and
>> have several balsa wood floats coated with: 1) the vinyl ester resin
>> avalilable from Aircraft Spruce, 2) Kreem, the fuel tank sloshing
>> compound
>> provided by Skystar, and 3) Gas Tank Sealer from JC Whitney. I have these
>> floats in test tubes in California auto gas - 7% ethanol, I believe, and
>> denatured alcohol 97% ethonol.
>>
>> Periodically, I take the floats up to a virtual altitude of 14,000 ft.
>> which
>> is likely above the service ceiling of our aircraft. This allows me to
>> check for a violation of the integrety of the coating as in a low
>> pressure
>> environment, the air in the balsa would expand and force it's way through
>> the coating resulting on a bubble or bubbles on the surface of the float.
>> This vacuum testis done in a bell jar and is observed closely.
>>
>> I can tell you this much. Keep in mind that the vinyl ester resin from
>> Aircraft Spruce in an unknown quantity as it comes in a plain can with
>> only
>> a flamability lable and the ACS part number. I think it is a 3M product
>> per
>> the ACS catalogue, but have been unable to indentify it more closely than
>> that. The vinyl ester resin is the only one to date that has any
>> detectable
>> reaction to the alcohol. In both instances - the 7% and the 97% the
>> surface
>> has lost it's sheen. None of the floats covered with the tank sealer have
>> shown any difference in appearance.
>>
>> To examine the surface appearance of the floats, they must be dried.
>> After
>> returning the floats to their respective fluid environments, the sealer
>> coated floats showed no difference taken to the 14,000 ft. pressure, but
>> the
>> vinyl ester floats showed that they had absorbed air in to the resin
>> layer
>> as thousands of near microscopic bubbles were seen coming from the entire
>> resin surface.
>>
>> What does this all mean? Who knows for sure, but I have the 1992/3 fuel
>> tanks Kreem sloshed. I am happy with that. For my own personal sense of
>> well being, if I had the newer vinyl ester resin tanks, I would slosh
>> them
>> with Kreem using the Kreem guidelines with some info gleaned from this
>> list
>> regarding thinning of the Kreem before sloshing.
>>
>> Other opinions may vary.
>>
>> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Plug |
I check mine at every oil change and have not had any trouble getting
removing it.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger McConnell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the
magnetic plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be removed
to check for engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as they say it
can be? I'm getting ready to do this and was curious what I'm getting
into.
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
all you guys ..sheesh
GREASE IS BLUE AND LITHIUM
HERE IT IS http://www.valvoline.ca/pages/products/heavyduty.asp
All-Fleet Cerulean #2 Grease
Valvoline Cerulean Grease (Blue Lithium Complex) is a premium
grease designed to meet the stressful demands of off-road, commercial fleet
and industrial environments. It provides excellent performance over a
variety of operating conditions and may displace other top-of-the-line
greases for severe and general purpose lubrication.
a.. Is designed as a tacky, lithium complex grease containing
a high level of select extreme-pressure additives for maximum loading
protection
b.. Contains oxidation, rust and corrosion inhibitors for
long-life performance
c.. Features excellent resistance to water washout
d.. Is dyed blue for easy identification
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>
> Voodoo science??
>
> What an overt dirty insult to true Voodoo science!
>
> Noel
> When You're right, you're right!
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of crazyivan
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
>>
>>
>>
>> Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to
>> know what they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far
>> resisted jumping on the ethanol band wagon, but I think it's
>> only a matter of time before some hack bureaucrats put the
>> squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo science.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave
>> Speedster 912 UL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88043#88043
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update Lowell, |
Hey Speaking of Gas Tanks and Wing tanks .
someone made a plastic one I thought ?
Was it Steve Winder at Airdale ?
I tohught I read that some where.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Update
>
> Cliff,
>
> I hope someone chimes in here if I have this wrong, but I think the
> recommendation is that you first rinse with Acetone to remove any residue
> that may be in the tank. For some reason there tends to be a build up of
> pressure when rinsing, so have some way to bleed that off during the
> rinse. Thin the Kreem with MEK 50:50 and use that for the slosh. Follow
> the directions on the btle for the actual sloshing.
>
> Regarding MEK, before anyone chimes in about its hazards, please do a
> Google search and read the MSDS. There are far too many urban legends on
> this stuff.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nealscherm@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tank Update
>
>
>> OK,
>> So how are you thinning the slosh? I have the new tanks and will take
>> your suggestion.
>> Thanks,
>> Neal
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>>
>>> Cliff,
>>>
>>> I have researeched Vinyl Ester resins and it seems that there are
>>> numerous
>>> formulations. Some are formulated for alcohol resistance, others for
>>> other
>>> purposes. I have been running an experiment since October first of 2006
>>> and
>>> have several balsa wood floats coated with: 1) the vinyl ester resin
>>> avalilable from Aircraft Spruce, 2) Kreem, the fuel tank sloshing
>>> compound
>>> provided by Skystar, and 3) Gas Tank Sealer from JC Whitney. I have
>>> these
>>> floats in test tubes in California auto gas - 7% ethanol, I believe, and
>>> denatured alcohol 97% ethonol.
>>>
>>> Periodically, I take the floats up to a virtual altitude of 14,000 ft.
>>> which
>>> is likely above the service ceiling of our aircraft. This allows me to
>>> check for a violation of the integrety of the coating as in a low
>>> pressure
>>> environment, the air in the balsa would expand and force it's way
>>> through
>>> the coating resulting on a bubble or bubbles on the surface of the
>>> float.
>>> This vacuum testis done in a bell jar and is observed closely.
>>>
>>> I can tell you this much. Keep in mind that the vinyl ester resin from
>>> Aircraft Spruce in an unknown quantity as it comes in a plain can with
>>> only
>>> a flamability lable and the ACS part number. I think it is a 3M product
>>> per
>>> the ACS catalogue, but have been unable to indentify it more closely
>>> than
>>> that. The vinyl ester resin is the only one to date that has any
>>> detectable
>>> reaction to the alcohol. In both instances - the 7% and the 97% the
>>> surface
>>> has lost it's sheen. None of the floats covered with the tank sealer
>>> have
>>> shown any difference in appearance.
>>>
>>> To examine the surface appearance of the floats, they must be dried.
>>> After
>>> returning the floats to their respective fluid environments, the sealer
>>> coated floats showed no difference taken to the 14,000 ft. pressure, but
>>> the
>>> vinyl ester floats showed that they had absorbed air in to the resin
>>> layer
>>> as thousands of near microscopic bubbles were seen coming from the
>>> entire
>>> resin surface.
>>>
>>> What does this all mean? Who knows for sure, but I have the 1992/3 fuel
>>> tanks Kreem sloshed. I am happy with that. For my own personal sense of
>>> well being, if I had the newer vinyl ester resin tanks, I would slosh
>>> them
>>> with Kreem using the Kreem guidelines with some info gleaned from this
>>> list
>>> regarding thinning of the Kreem before sloshing.
>>>
>>> Other opinions may vary.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
I thought the R9xx engines used a permanent magnet alternator (called
a generator by R) and these types require a small voltage to kick
start them. So a dead battery would be a no charge. But then the
starter would be a no go as well.
Paul
=================
At 04:04 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
>
>Generators usually use a permanent magnet to generate power. While
>alternators use a field coil. When he said it wouldn't charge the battery
>unless it had been boosted first that sure sounds like a field coil not
>energizing.
>
>Some turbine starter generators also have to be flashed with forward current
>to change form starter to generator. Doubt you or I will ever see one in a
>Kitfox.... Unless the next generation of planes are electric powered!
>
>Noel
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Lowell Fitt
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> >
> >
> > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Sorry, Noel, No field coils in a 912. Nor an alternator,
> > unless the owner
> > opted for the alternator upgrade.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> >
> >
> > <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > >
> > > What you have to do is to energize the field coils of your
> > alternator
> > > before
> > > it can produce any current. If you battery is so far gone
> > it won't even
> > > energize the filed coils than I guess it's time to send it
> > off to the
> > > knackers. If your battery is discharging while the engine
> > is stopped try
> > > installing a master switch to completely isolate the
> > battery.... BTW some
> > > planes are wired so the clock is always live.
> > >
> > > Noel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:17 PM
> > >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> > >>
> > >>
> > <dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com>
> > >>
> > >> Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping.
> > >> However they don't seem to charge if the battery was dead and
> > >> they were started by propping them. It seems that the
> > >> charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
> > >> the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that
> > >> right? To reiterate, the engine will always easily start by
> > >> propping with no battery power (or very little) the engine
> > >> will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
> > >> gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with
> > >> zero charge time, everything will work and charge.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88021#88021
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
Don,
For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking were
alitle higher than 25 F
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?timeframe=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5
9 C = 48 F
But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have for a
month at least.
MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4 inches ahead
of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all. Over 120
hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year without
heating issues.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
> I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree range
> during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my
> radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to
> completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after a
>> cold start. But I think you are talking about the air start video ? I
>> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
>>
>> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the engine
>> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the
>> other clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the
>> temps stabilized over 150.
>>
>> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs at
>> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual due
>> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
>>
>> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as
>> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You know
>> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure
>> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few times till
>> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On
>>> a 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One
>>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't
>>> you worry about an engine seizure?
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
>>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
>>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
>>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
>>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating
>>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am
>>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of
>>>>> prop it is?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88091#88091
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
The 912S does have an alternator. I kept running down my battery in early
tests, because I neglected the wire to energize the field. Once I put that
in place all worked well, recharging the battery.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
I thought the R9xx engines used a permanent magnet alternator (called
a generator by R) and these types require a small voltage to kick
start them. So a dead battery would be a no charge. But then the
starter would be a no go as well.
Paul
=================
At 04:04 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
>
>Generators usually use a permanent magnet to generate power. While
>alternators use a field coil. When he said it wouldn't charge the battery
>unless it had been boosted first that sure sounds like a field coil not
>energizing.
>
>Some turbine starter generators also have to be flashed with forward
current
>to change form starter to generator. Doubt you or I will ever see one in a
>Kitfox.... Unless the next generation of planes are electric powered!
>
>Noel
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Lowell Fitt
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> >
> >
> > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Sorry, Noel, No field coils in a 912. Nor an alternator,
> > unless the owner
> > opted for the alternator upgrade.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> >
> >
> > <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > >
> > > What you have to do is to energize the field coils of your
> > alternator
> > > before
> > > it can produce any current. If you battery is so far gone
> > it won't even
> > > energize the filed coils than I guess it's time to send it
> > off to the
> > > knackers. If your battery is discharging while the engine
> > is stopped try
> > > installing a master switch to completely isolate the
> > battery.... BTW some
> > > planes are wired so the clock is always live.
> > >
> > > Noel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:17 PM
> > >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> > >>
> > >>
> > <dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com>
> > >>
> > >> Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping.
> > >> However they don't seem to charge if the battery was dead and
> > >> they were started by propping them. It seems that the
> > >> charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
> > >> the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that
> > >> right? To reiterate, the engine will always easily start by
> > >> propping with no battery power (or very little) the engine
> > >> will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
> > >> gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with
> > >> zero charge time, everything will work and charge.
> > >>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
I would bet my $$ on your statement Paul because I have seen three different 912s
do the exact same thing that I stated (dead battery, prop start and no charge)
and NO the battery wasn't bad it had only discharged from something not being
turned off.......
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88206#88206
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I did say I hadn't seen a 912 before, so that infers I was speaking
generically. The most common generic design is to have the magnet on the
inside of the drain plug. That is the lowest part of the sump and gravity
will bring shavings to the plug the magnet keeps them there. Not only that,
you will easily check the magnet every time you change your oil.
I've heard of having a magnet in the base of the oil filter... A great spot
(sarcasm) even if you opened the filter it's doubtful any one would think of
looking in the bottom of the empty can.
You say it's not on the drain plug ... Ok but I'll bet it's close to the
bottom of the sump well below the level of the oil... I didn't expect to
find Rotax using self sealing mounts for the plugs, like the turbines have
on the chip detectors simply because of cost... If they were going to go
through that expense they might as well install a chip detector.
I spent most of today dismounting the carbs etc from my 582 just to change
out the impulse line. The line that was on it was heavy black rubber gas
line (there when the plane was bought) held in place with a worm gear type
hose clamp. The way the installation was done the engine mount prevents
getting a socket or a screwdriver in to loosen the hose clamp. To get at it
I had to remove two carbs, the rear carb boot and the hose for the rotary
valve oil. Then and only then I could get a 1/4" box wrench on it. I
replaced that impulse line with clear heavy tube I got from Bob R and used
the correct spring clamp...... Even getting the long pliers in to place the
spring clamp was an exercise one step short of futility.
You say the spot they have the mag plug in is hard to get at to replace the
lock wire. I believe you. I've seen some pretty tight spots to do wiring.
The worst spots are always on engines!!
It's been at least two years and probably close to 14 yr. since the mikuni
fuel pump has been serviced. There is no mention of it being serviced in the
log book. I'll check the local power sport shops for a rebuild kit
tomorrow...no sense in doing half the job.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:52 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Noel,
>
>
> First it's field coils on the 912 then it's the magnet is on
> the same plug
> used to drain the oil. Not even close either time. Keep
> trying, though.
>
> For Roger, I pull the plug on every oil change. I use an
> allen socket with
> a wobble extension. It will loosen with a pop. The seal is
> just the face
> of the case against the inner face of the plug. I don't
> remember the torque
> for tightening, but I find the safety wiring the biggest
> chaellenge next to
> keeping the mess down.
>
> Lowell
>
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Are the main bearings in the 912 roller bearings like the 582 or slider
bearings with babbitt?? I've been told the 100LL will do a number on
the
main bearings of the little two stroke. Like yourself I'd prefer to use
TCP
to Ethanol.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Wwillyard@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
>Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you
get
the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL /
TCP
and mogas that has ethanol?
Roger, I have been using 100LL with TCP and Mystery oil for the past
year in
my 912ul with no problem. The spark plugs show no sign of lead deposits
and
the oil seems to stay very clean looking as compared to how fast I
remember
the oil turning dark in my Cessna with out TCP, probably talking apples
and
oranges here, but just my observation. I simply add the appropriate
amounts
of both to the fuel tanks after toping off. I figure dispersion and
sloshing
during the next flight will take care of the mixing. I can't comment on
the
ethanol part as I have made a point to avoid it and this is the major
reason
for switching to 100LL.
Bill W.
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
The guy who made the original post said something about hand propping.
Turbine starter generators require a shot of current to kick-start the
generator function they call it flashing (I believe) the armature. I should
look that up again.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PWilson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>
>
>
> I thought the R9xx engines used a permanent magnet alternator (called
> a generator by R) and these types require a small voltage to kick
> start them. So a dead battery would be a no charge. But then the
> starter would be a no go as well.
> Paul
> =================
> At 04:04 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> >Generators usually use a permanent magnet to generate power. While
> >alternators use a field coil. When he said it wouldn't
> charge the battery
> >unless it had been boosted first that sure sounds like a
> field coil not
> >energizing.
> >
> >Some turbine starter generators also have to be flashed with
> forward current
> >to change form starter to generator. Doubt you or I will
> ever see one in a
> >Kitfox.... Unless the next generation of planes are electric powered!
> >
> >Noel
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Lowell Fitt
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 PM
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> > >
> > >
> > > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> > >
> > > Sorry, Noel, No field coils in a 912. Nor an alternator,
> > > unless the owner
> > > opted for the alternator upgrade.
> > >
> > > Lowell
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:08 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> > >
> > >
> > > <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > > >
> > > > What you have to do is to energize the field coils of your
> > > alternator
> > > > before
> > > > it can produce any current. If you battery is so far gone
> > > it won't even
> > > > energize the filed coils than I guess it's time to send it
> > > off to the
> > > > knackers. If your battery is discharging while the engine
> > > is stopped try
> > > > installing a master switch to completely isolate the
> > > battery.... BTW some
> > > > planes are wired so the clock is always live.
> > > >
> > > > Noel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Dwayne
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:17 PM
> > > >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > <dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com>
> > > >>
> > > >> Both of my 912 Speedsters start easily by hand propping.
> > > >> However they don't seem to charge if the battery was dead and
> > > >> they were started by propping them. It seems that the
> > > >> charging circuit has to have a bit of battery power to excite
> > > >> the charging system into putting out the 14 volts...? Is that
> > > >> right? To reiterate, the engine will always easily start by
> > > >> propping with no battery power (or very little) the engine
> > > >> will run fine but it will not charge and the electrical
> > > >> gauges and instruments won't work, but by jump starting, with
> > > >> zero charge time, everything will work and charge.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Read this topic online here:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88021#88021
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Is the drive shaft of the HKS hollow like that of the "C"box?? I was
considering getting one of the GSC/Warp in flight adjustable props but it
needs the hollow see through drive shaft.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mnflyer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
>
>
> >From my experience of flying a 582 for 278 hrs and now
> flying the HKS 125 hrs the HKS has as much power as the 582,
> it has far more power than the 503, the HKS needs a long prop
> to use its available torque and of course not all airplanes
> repond to engines and props the same. But properly fit with
> the right prop and pitch setting the HKS is equal in power
> and prefornace to the out582 anyday of the week. My airfield
> is not high 1400' MSL and 1300' long has obstuctions at
> both ends and I would not even consider a Kitfox with a 503
> but the HKS gets me in and out as well as the 582 ever did on
> any given day.
>
> --------
> GB
> MNFlyer
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88065#88065
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On Jan 15, 2007, at 4:59 PM, dave wrote:
> Ahh the Jab is CDI and not magneto .
Er ... no Dave. I think I have coils and not capacitors. But I
understand that it has to spin 300 RPM to create a spark at the plug.
Please note that I don't know much about engines and the little I know
is about marine diesels, an entirely different ball game.
Actually the Jabiru is still CDI [ Capacitive Discharge Ignition] It has
pickup coils and CDI cicuit all in one module that's all.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re 582 on long trip |
I'm flying a model III-A (Probably a prototype Mod III) with the 582.
I am
planning a trip all the way across Canada in '09 and at the present time
I'm
a bit worried that the 582 may not be the best choice of engines. If I
change out the engine I'll have to get it inspected again and may have
to do
another fly off. That means that if I change out it will have to be
done
before summer '08.
I flew my 582 home from Perth in Western Australia to Loxton in South
Australia no problem. 14 hours and 180 litres of fuel if I remember
right.
Rex.
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