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1. 12:07 AM - Steel Wheels (Rex Shaw)
2. 12:58 AM - Re: Magnetic Plug (David Steade)
3. 02:17 AM - Re: CDI Yes/No (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:34 AM - Kitfox video WAS: tail wheel fun (Michel Verheughe)
5. 04:52 AM - OFF TOPIC: Politics WAS: Ethanol (Michel Verheughe)
6. 05:11 AM - test - disregard (Fox5flyer)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: Re 582 on long trip (Noel Loveys)
8. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (Marco Menezes)
9. 07:34 AM - Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive (Lowell Fitt)
10. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (Michael Gibbs)
12. 08:04 AM - Re: HKS engines (Michael Gibbs)
13. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (PWilson)
14. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (PWilson)
15. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (dave)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (dave)
17. 09:06 AM - Re: Lesson Learned (kitfoxmike)
18. 09:09 AM - Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (kitfoxmike)
19. 09:22 AM - Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive (Noel Loveys)
20. 09:24 AM - Remove (JC Propellerdesign)
21. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps (Noel Loveys)
22. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (Noel Loveys)
23. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: HKS engines (Noel Loveys)
24. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Lesson Learned (Noel Loveys)
25. 10:29 AM - Re: 100LL and TCP (johnciolino@comcast.net)
26. 11:23 AM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Richard D'Archangel)
27. 12:11 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Randy Daughenbaugh)
28. 12:11 PM - V Speeds (cy)
29. 12:51 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Noel Loveys)
30. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: HKS engines (kurt schrader)
31. 02:01 PM - Re: V Speeds (kurt schrader)
32. 03:02 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (Roger McConnell)
33. 03:30 PM - 912S alternator Was: Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive (Randy Daughenbaugh)
34. 04:00 PM - Fuel Tanks (Rex Shaw)
35. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (john perry)
36. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks (john perry)
37. 05:00 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Bob)
38. 05:28 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks (QSS)
39. 05:34 PM - Re: 100LL and TCP (Roger Standley)
40. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (john perry)
41. 05:50 PM - Re: Magnetic Plug (crazyivan)
42. 07:10 PM - Re: 912S alternator Was: Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive (Clint Bazzill)
43. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (Noel Loveys)
44. 09:12 PM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (john perry)
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If you have the original 8 inch kitfox rims then they are Douglas wheels
6061 aluminum wheels welded together in the middle . Blue lable .125
thick .
The rims are definitely steel and are supplied in the Kit. Tony that
built my plane built two. The first he forced landed in tiger country
due to Auminium wing tanks splitting in flight. He then threatened to
sue the factory and I'm told they gave him a new kit but I'm not sure if
it was a complete Kit or partial kit. So the wheels may have been
supplied with the first kit or second I don't know but I do know they
were supplied by the factory. This has come up before and it appears
that yes there were aluminium wheels but there were also the steel
wheels.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Plug |
Roger
I removed mine on a new 912S it was very tight and released with a sharp
crack sound. My friend recently had the driver twist in the plug and had
big problems. I would suggest a new high quality driver to start with
and be careful to keep everything in line when you try.
Regards
David Steade
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> From: Rex Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> Actually the Jabiru is still CDI [ Capacitive Discharge Ignition]
> It has pickup coils and CDI cicuit all in one module that's all.
Thank you, Rex, I didn't know that. You see, I browsed in my Jabiru engine manual,
I didn't find the word CDI but I found the word coils. Hum, maybe I need to
go to howstuffworks.com to find out how an engine works! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Kitfox video WAS: tail wheel fun |
> From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> I was on the Lazair sight the other night and I don't think it's any where
> near back to fully operational.
You are probably right, Noel. I am not advocating one or the other site, I am only
saying that it would be nice if we decide for one and stick to it. May the
members of this honourable gathering of fine airmen proceed to the voting booth.
:-)
When that is done, maybe someone could write a web page to tell us how to go from
our camera to a format that can be published on the elected site.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC: Politics WAS: Ethanol |
> From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> Tell the CEO of BP not to ever consider going into politics..... He has too
> much common sense!
Gentlemen, please remember that we all live in democratic countries and politicians
are elected by us. If you'd rather see e.g. computers instead of politicians
at power, no one prevents you to create the Computer Parti and gather votes.
Incidently, I also think it is sad that the rain forest is destroyed to grow suger
cane and provide us with bio-fuel. But fossile fuel won't last for ever. In
fact, the Norwegian oil production has already gone over the peak and is slowing
down as no new fields are found. What will we do in the future? Politicians
have a problem. We must trust them or vote for another parti, maybe the Computer
Parti. ... as I type this, I can hear my PC in the background saying: sweeeeet!
... :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | test - disregard |
test
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| Subject: | Re 582 on long trip |
The distance isn't what is concerning me. I intend to be flying a round
trip. The first 5000mi. or so will be against prevailing winds. Then
there
is the little thing of crossing the prairies on floats. There will be
few
places to land after that gauntlet the fun really starts as I will have
to
depend on getting to 9 or 10 thousand feet to weave my way through the
Rocky
Mountains. I haven't decided on a return route yet but my westward
route
should include stops in or near all Canadian capitol cities.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re 582 on long trip
I'm flying a model III-A (Probably a prototype Mod III) with the 582.
I am
planning a trip all the way across Canada in '09 and at the present time
I'm
a bit worried that the 582 may not be the best choice of engines. If I
change out the engine I'll have to get it inspected again and may have
to do
another fly off. That means that if I change out it will have to be
done
before summer '08.
I flew my 582 home from Perth in Western Australia to Loxton in South
Australia no problem. 14 hours and 180 litres of fuel if I remember
right.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
For those of us without mechanical rad shutters, what is best method for covering
the rad to keep temps up for winter flying? Will duct tape work? What part(s)
of the rad are best covered?
It's around zero here this morning, might warm up to 20F during the day but the
sun is out, winds are calm and I'd love to put on ice fishing clothes and
take the Fox up for a look-see.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Don,
For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking were
alitle higher than 25 F
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?timeframe=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5
9 C = 48 F
But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have for a
month at least.
MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4 inches ahead
of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all. Over 120
hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year without
heating issues.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe"
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
> I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree range
> during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my
> radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to
> completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after a
>> cold start. But I think you are talking about the air start video ? I
>> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
>>
>> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the engine
>> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the
>> other clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the
>> temps stabilized over 150.
>>
>> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs at
>> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual due
>> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
>>
>> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as
>> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You know
>> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure
>> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few times till
>> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On
>>> a 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One
>>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't
>>> you worry about an engine seizure?
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dave"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
>>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
>>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
>>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
>>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating
>>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am
>>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of
>>>>> prop it is?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88091#88091
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or |
fhying related do not archive
A couple of weeks ago a Lancair IVPT (read Lancair IV - pressurized -
Turbine powered) went off the end of therunway after an engine stop. Now
usually there is a long discussion about fuel issues, pilot competency etc
( yes lots of discussions after far too many accidents). This time someone
noticed in the NTSP accident report that the airplane in question was
registered to a corporation.
Then came the long discussion of who can register an experimantal airplane
and who can be on the Airworthiness Certificate as builder. This over the
past two weeks and likely 50 or 60 postings, including such words of wisdom
as what their DAR said, the educational requirements of DARs, the definition
of person and on and on. Finally the list "Pontificator" gave the final
answer. His FSDO inspector insisted that only one person could be on the
certificate as builder, but then that was ten years ago.
Amongst all this chat was the occasional plea as follows:
"Doesn't anyone want to know about the important question - why did the
engine lose power on takeoff?"
Then finally some "idiot" went to the FARs and posted the following:
"In any event, notice that the certification allows for "person(s)" to have
"fabricate and assembled" (sic)
the named aircraft "....for my (their) education or recreation. I (we)
have records..."."
Then another "party pooper" went to the FAA registration data base and
before finishing the As found employee groups listed as builders, LLCs
listed as builders, two presumably related persons as builders, and two
obviously unrelated as builders.
Still no discussion as to why the airplane lost power.
Now to the Kitfox list A guy posts that his 912 won't charge a dead
battery. So far no joy to him as the argument so far has been as to whether
the 912 has an alternator or generator and the related thought as to whether
it has a field coil.
The truth is in the book and not wanting to be a stiffler of the "chat"
someone else will have to go there and be the "idiot" or "spoil sport"
Lowell.
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
I have used duct tape to good effect over the years. trial and error will show
how much to cover. We experience the same temperatures you are describing and
I cover most of the radiator. the air cooling will likely be adequate.
John Kerr
Logan UT
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
For those of us without mechanical rad shutters, what is best method for covering
the rad to keep temps up for winter flying? Will duct tape work? What part(s)
of the rad are best covered?
It's around zero here this morning, might warm up to 20F during the day but the
sun is out, winds are calm and I'd love to put on ice fishing clothes and take
the Fox up for a look-see.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Don,
For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking were
alitle higher than 25 F
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?timeframe=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5
9 C = 48 F
But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have for a
month at least.
MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4 inches ahead
of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all. Over 120
hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year without
heating issues.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe"
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
> I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree range
> during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my
> radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to
> completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after a
>> cold start. But I think you are talking about the air start video ? I
>> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
>>
>> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the engine
>> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the
>> other clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the
>> temps stabilized over 150.
>>
>> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs at
>> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual due
>> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
>>
>> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as
>> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You know
>> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure
>> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few times till
>> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On
>>> a 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One
>>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't
>>> you worry about an engine seizure?
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dave"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
>>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
>>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
>>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
>>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating
>>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am
>>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of
>>>>> prop it is?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
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<DIV>I have used duct tape to good effect over the years. trial and error will
show how much to cover. We experience the same temperatures you are describing
and I cover most of the radiator. the air cooling will likely be adequate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV>Logan UT</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Marco Menezes
<msm_9949@yahoo.com> <BR>
<DIV>For those of us without mechanical rad shutters, what is best method for covering
the rad to keep temps up for winter flying? Will duct tape work?
What part(s) of the rad are best covered?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's around zero here this morning, might warm up to 20F during the day but
the sun is out, winds are calm and I'd love to put on ice fishing clothes
and take the Fox up for a look-see.<BR><BR><B><I>dave <dave@cfisher.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <DAVE@CFISHER.COM><BR><BR>Don,<BR><BR>For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking were <BR>alitle higher than 25 F<BR><BR>http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?timeframe=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5<BR><BR>9 C = 48 F<BR><BR>But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have for a <BR>month at least.<BR>MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4 inches ahead <BR>of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all. Over 120 <BR>hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year without <BR>heating issues.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Don Smythe" <DOSMYTHE@COX.NET><BR>To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24
PM<BR
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps<BR><BR><BR>> -->
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <DOSMYTHE@COX.NET><BR>><BR>>
I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree range <BR>>
during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my <BR>>
radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to <BR>>
completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.<BR>><BR>>
Don Smythe<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "dave"
<DAVE@CFISHER.COM><BR>> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> Sent:
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail
wheel fun Don Temps<BR>><BR>><BR>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted
by: "dave" <DAVE@CFISHER.COM><BR>>><BR>>> Don,<BR>>><BR>>>
You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after
a <BR>>> cold start. But I think you are talkin
g abou
t the air start video ? I <BR>>> think it fired but I would no go WOT if
temps got below 140 F .<BR>>><BR>>> That is a Blue head as well so
the coolant remains warm around the engine <BR>>> longer than a grey head.
Engine was off for a minute or two in the <BR>>> other clips and when
I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the <BR>>> temps stabilized
over 150.<BR>>><BR>>> Also temps today about 19F here and never
got out flying yet. plugs at <BR>>> about 120 hours now and still have
not noticed any problems. Annual due <BR>>> soon so I will most likely
replace then plugs then.<BR>>><BR>>> Good advice on the cold seizures,
I have seen many guys with sleds as <BR>>> well cold seize them
due to failure to warm them up properly. You know <BR>>> once the temp gauge
hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure <BR>>> waiting to happen.
You should let the thermostat cycle a few time
s till
<BR>>> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.<BR>>><BR>>>
Dave<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Don
Smythe" <DOSMYTHE@COX.NET><BR>>> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Re: tail wheel fun<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> --> Kitfox-List
message posted by: "Don Smythe" <DOSMYTHE@COX.NET><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Dave,<BR>>>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure
rather than a prop. On <BR>>>> a 25 degree day going from power off
to full throttle can be risky. One <BR>>>> other video was engine off
, restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't <BR>>>> you worry about an
engine seizure?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Don Smythe<BR>>>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>>>> From: "dave" <DAVE@CFISHER.COM><BR>>>>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>>
;>&
gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Re: tail wheel fun<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <DAVE@CFISHER.COM><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading
edge.<BR>>>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats
though. Usually <BR>>>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane
taped tips but mostly use a WARP <BR>>>>> prop on floats with no
erosion.<BR>>>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on
it but hey it was about <BR>>>>> 25F that day and it was freezing
on impact. So maybe that helped :)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Dave<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>>>>> From: "Bob" <DSWAIM1119@COMCAST.NET><BR>>>>>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MA
TRONIC
S.COM><BR>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM<BR>>>>>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob"
<DSWAIM1119@COMCAST.NET><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I need
to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!<BR>>>>>>
Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating <BR>>>>>>
water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but
I am <BR>>>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge
and what type of <BR>>>>>> prop it is?<BR>>>>>>
Thanks<BR>>>>>> Bob<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
--------<BR>>>>>> Remember that internet advice may only
be worth what you pay.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>&g
t;>
>> Read this topic online here:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
Noel sez:
>The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
>documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it can use
>100LL in small quantities extended use may damage your engine or
>shorten your TBO...
Baloney. My 912S ran exclusively on 100LL and still does (in another
airplane). Many of the Rotax engines used by members of the Desert
Fox squadron do as well. No damage, no shortened life.
My next one will, too. Unlike auto fuel, at least we know what's in 100LL.
Mike G.
N728KF
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>I also agree with Dave who writes: "They are all fine engines." Now,
>when can we expect a diesel engine light enough for a Kitfox? :-)
I'm waiting for a truly fuel efficient turbine. Can you imagine how
a 'fox would perform with an engine that light and powerful? :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
I am not so smart as this has been discussed on the aeroelectric list
many times. The Jab has the same alternator and both are way
undersized for typical needs.
Regards, Paul
==========
At 07:47 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
>
>I would bet my $$ on your statement Paul because I have seen three
>different 912s do the exact same thing that I stated (dead battery,
>prop start and no charge) and NO the battery wasn't bad it had only
>discharged from something not being turned off.......
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88206#88206
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
For a liquid cooled engine - Thermostat?
Paul
=================
At 06:38 AM 1/17/2007, you wrote:
>For those of us without mechanical rad shutters, what is best method
>for covering the rad to keep temps up for winter flying? Will duct
>tape work? What part(s) of the rad are best covered?
>
>It's around zero here this morning, might warm up to 20F during the
>day but the sun is out, winds are calm and I'd love to put on ice
>fishing clothes and take the Fox up for a look-see.
>
>dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
>Don,
>
>For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking were
>alitle higher than 25 F
>
>http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?timeframe=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5
>
>9 C = 48 F
>
>But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have for a
>month at least.
>MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4 inches ahead
>of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all. Over 120
>hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year without
>heating issues.
>
>
>Dave
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Smythe"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
>
> >
> > I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree range
> > during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my
> > radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to
> > completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Don,
> >>
> >> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after a
> >> cold start. But I think you are talking about the air start video ? I
> >> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
> >>
> >> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the engine
> >> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the
> >> other clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till the
> >> temps stabilized over 150.
> >>
> >> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs at
> >> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual due
> >> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
> >>
> >> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as
> >> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You know
> >> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure
> >> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few times till
> >> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Don Smythe"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On
> >>> a 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky. One
> >>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day). Don't
> >>> you worry about an engine seizure?
> >>>
> >>> Don Smythe
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "dave"
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
> >>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
> >>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a WARP
> >>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
> >>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was about
> >>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Bob"
> >>>> To:
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
> >>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
> >>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating
> >>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am
> >>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type of
> >>>>> prop it is?
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Bob
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------
> >>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
Same here,
I findi t trial and error plus i used duct tape and/or the Aliminum duct
tape which does stick better.
I think someone had a set of louvers shown her a while ago. That would
be the best bet imo.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
I have used duct tape to good effect over the years. trial and error
will show how much to cover. We experience the same temperatures you are
describing and I cover most of the radiator. the air cooling will likely
be adequate.
John Kerr
Logan UT
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
For those of us without mechanical rad shutters, what is best method
for covering the rad to keep temps up for winter flying? Will duct tape
work? What part(s) of the rad are best covered?
It's around zero here this morning, might warm up to 20F during the
day but the sun is out, winds are calm and I'd love to put on ice
fishing clothes and take the Fox up for a look-see.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Don,
For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking
were
alitle higher than 25 F
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?t
imeframe=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5
9 C = 48 F
But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have
for a
month at least.
MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4
inches ahead
of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all.
Over 120
hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year
without
heating issues.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
> I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150
degree range
> during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying
my
> radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I
have to
> completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during
decent.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle
after a
>> cold start. But I think you are talkin g abou t the air start
video ? I
>> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
>>
>> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around
the engine
>> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in
the
>> other clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000
rpm till the
>> temps stabilized over 150.
>>
>> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet.
plugs at
>> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems.
Annual due
>> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
>>
>> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with
sleds as
>> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly.
You know
>> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a
seizure
>> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few
time s till
>> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a
prop. On
>>> a 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be
risky. One
>>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold
day). Don't
>>> you worry about an engine seizure?
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dave"
>>> To:
> ;>& gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading
edge.
>>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though.
Usually
>>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly
use a WARP
>>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it
was about
>>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that
helped :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel
RV-9!
>>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with
eating
>>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but
I am
>>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what
type of
>>>>> prop it is?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you
pay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>&g t;> >> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
Only 2 strokes get that issue with the lead.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
>
> Noel sez:
>
>>The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
>>documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it can use 100LL in
>>small quantities extended use may damage your engine or shorten your
>>TBO...
>
> Baloney. My 912S ran exclusively on 100LL and still does (in another
> airplane). Many of the Rotax engines used by members of the Desert Fox
> squadron do as well. No damage, no shortened life.
>
> My next one will, too. Unlike auto fuel, at least we know what's in
> 100LL.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
Not to get weard here, but how did we get on charging systems, when the original
post talked about the engine firing up when the mags were turned off.
--------
kitfoxmike
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
I guess the same thing happened to this thread, how did we get on cold engine seizers.
--------
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| Subject: | Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building |
or fhying related do not archive
I agree with you Lowell.
The manufacturers engine manual is always the first place to go. However
having a working knowledge of how the systems work won't hurt and will
probably help in understanding some of the terminology in the manual.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:03 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List
> - Not building or fhying related do not archive
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> A couple of weeks ago a Lancair IVPT (read Lancair IV - pressurized -
> Turbine powered) went off the end of therunway after an
> engine stop. Now
> usually there is a long discussion about fuel issues, pilot
> competency etc
> ( yes lots of discussions after far too many accidents).
> This time someone
> noticed in the NTSP accident report that the airplane in question was
> registered to a corporation.
>
> Then came the long discussion of who can register an
> experimantal airplane
> and who can be on the Airworthiness Certificate as builder.
> This over the
> past two weeks and likely 50 or 60 postings, including such
> words of wisdom
> as what their DAR said, the educational requirements of DARs,
> the definition
> of person and on and on. Finally the list "Pontificator"
> gave the final
> answer. His FSDO inspector insisted that only one person
> could be on the
> certificate as builder, but then that was ten years ago.
>
> Amongst all this chat was the occasional plea as follows:
>
> "Doesn't anyone want to know about the important question -
> why did the
> engine lose power on takeoff?"
>
> Then finally some "idiot" went to the FARs and posted the following:
>
> "In any event, notice that the certification allows for
> "person(s)" to have
> "fabricate and assembled" (sic)
> the named aircraft "....for my (their) education or
> recreation. I (we)
> have records..."."
>
> Then another "party pooper" went to the FAA registration data
> base and
> before finishing the As found employee groups listed as
> builders, LLCs
> listed as builders, two presumably related persons as
> builders, and two
> obviously unrelated as builders.
>
> Still no discussion as to why the airplane lost power.
>
> Now to the Kitfox list A guy posts that his 912 won't charge a dead
> battery. So far no joy to him as the argument so far has
> been as to whether
> the 912 has an alternator or generator and the related
> thought as to whether
> it has a field coil.
>
> The truth is in the book and not wanting to be a stiffler of
> the "chat"
> someone else will have to go there and be the "idiot" or "spoil sport"
>
> Lowell.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Matt,
Please remove me from all matronics list, until further notice.
I will be away, and don't want it to fill the mail box up.
Best
Jan Carlsson
JC Propellerdesign
Ps, Yes I have tried to...
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps |
I just beg,borrow, buy or otherwise abscond with some "Speed tape" from
my
friends at the helicopter AMO... Sticks to anything good up to something
like 300 mph. Getting it off ... now that's where the real fun is!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
Same here,
I findi t trial and error plus i used duct tape and/or the Aliminum duct
tape which does stick better.
I think someone had a set of louvers shown her a while ago. That would
be
the best bet imo.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
I have used duct tape to good effect over the years. trial and error
will
show how much to cover. We experience the same temperatures you are
describing and I cover most of the radiator. the air cooling will likely
be
adequate.
John Kerr
Logan UT
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
For those of us without mechanical rad shutters, what is best method for
covering the rad to keep temps up for winter flying? Will duct tape
work?
What part(s) of the rad are best covered?
It's around zero here this morning, might warm up to 20F during the day
but
the sun is out, winds are calm and I'd love to put on ice fishing
clothes
and take the Fox up for a look-see.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Don,
For Referance I think the temps that day I did the dead sticking were
alitle higher than 25 F
http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?t
ime
frame=1&Prov=ON&StationID=4789&Year 07&Month=1&Day=5
9 C = 48 F
But i do have my standard rad covered about 50% right now and have for a
month at least.
MY rad is 20 " x 4 " x 2 " thick. It is mounted just a bout 4 inches
ahead
of the bungess and i have no heating or colling issues at all. Over 120
hours since mid July right now and over 250 for the 2006 year without
heating issues.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe"
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
> I'm curious to know how you keep your temps up to a 140-150 degree
range
> during a "cold" winter decent. I went to great length modifying my
> radiator/cowl to be able to do this. Even on a 40 degree day I have to
> completely close the radiators off to keep the temps up during decent.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun Don Temps
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You are right that it would not be good to go to full throttle after
a
>> cold start. But I think you are talkin g abou t the air start video ?
I
>> think it fired but I would no go WOT if temps got below 140 F .
>>
>> That is a Blue head as well so the coolant remains warm around the
engine
>> longer than a grey head. Engine was off for a minute or two in the
>> other clips and when I restarted over the runway I kept 4000 rpm till
the
>> temps stabilized over 150.
>>
>> Also temps today about 19F here and never got out flying yet. plugs
at
>> about 120 hours now and still have not noticed any problems. Annual
due
>> soon so I will most likely replace then plugs then.
>>
>> Good advice on the cold seizures, I have seen many guys with sleds as
>> well cold seize them due to failure to warm them up properly. You
know
>> once the temp gauge hits 140F some just go... and that is a seizure
>> waiting to happen. You should let the thermostat cycle a few time s
till
>> the temps climb up to 150 or so before full power.
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Smythe"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I was more concerned about an engine seizure rather than a prop. On
>>> a 25 degree day going from power off to full throttle can be risky.
One
>>> other video was engine off , restart, full throttle (cold day).
Don't
>>> you worry about an engine seizure?
>>>
>>> Don Smythe
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dave"
>>> To:
> ;>& gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> GSC prop, one or two erosion spots on the urethane leading edge.
>>>> I have got alot more marks on rough days on floats though. Usually
>>>> "IF" I am on floats I have a urethane taped tips but mostly use a
WARP
>>>> prop on floats with no erosion.
>>>> I was suprised that there was not more marks on it but hey it was
about
>>>> 25F that day and it was freezing on impact. So maybe that helped :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: tail wheel fun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to forward this to my boss, who owns a nose-wheel RV-9!
>>>>> Good grief, Dave, how many flights per prop do you get with eating
>>>>> water like that? Seriously, I see that this was a test, but I am
>>>>> curious if you got any erosion of the leading edge and what type
of
>>>>> prop it is?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
You left out the next line.... Do whatever the manufacturer says.
And yes just about the only fuel you can depend on is 100LL
BTW what kind of main bearings are in the 912??
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
>
>
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Noel sez:
>
> >The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
> >documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it can use
> >100LL in small quantities extended use may damage your engine or
> >shorten your TBO...
>
> Baloney. My 912S ran exclusively on 100LL and still does (in another
> airplane). Many of the Rotax engines used by members of the Desert
> Fox squadron do as well. No damage, no shortened life.
>
> My next one will, too. Unlike auto fuel, at least we know
> what's in 100LL.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
>
>
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Once again I agree with you....
I got cold feet when I saw how much fuel they burn. I wonder how far Jay
Leno goes on a tank on his jet bike.
They have to go a good way to match the fuel economy of the Diesel. But...
If they ever do!!!! I'll be the one behind you in the line.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: HKS engines
>
>
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> >I also agree with Dave who writes: "They are all fine engines." Now,
> >when can we expect a diesel engine light enough for a Kitfox? :-)
>
> I'm waiting for a truly fuel efficient turbine. Can you imagine how
> a 'fox would perform with an engine that light and powerful? :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lesson Learned |
A fellow made a post that his engine wasn't charging under certain
circumstances. Yes the subject should have been changed.
Noel
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:36 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Lesson Learned
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> Not to get weard here, but how did we get on charging
> systems, when the original post talked about the engine
> firing up when the mags were turned off.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88320#88320
>
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP |
Roger,
I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL. I've run
100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior to that.
I have never had any problems with this combination. My exhaust is a light gray
power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them. The plugs are pretty
clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK plugs locally
for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on the long term
affects on the plugs.
I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else mentioned
the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may be the case no
matter what gas and/or additive I use. I used Honda mineral based motorcycle
oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to Penzoil motorcycle oil.
Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed myself.
John Ciolino
N9294Y
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Hi List,
Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the TCP
to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and mogas
that has ethanol?
I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very prejudiced
against mogas and encourage using 100LL.
Roger
N499KF
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<DIV>I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL.
I've run 100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior
to that. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have never had any problems with this combination. My exhaust is a
light gray power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them. The
plugs are pretty clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK
plugs locally for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on
the long term affects on the plugs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else mentioned
the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may be the case
no matter what gas and/or additive I use. I used Honda mineral based
motorcycle oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to Penzoil motorcycle
oil.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed myself.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ciolino</DIV>
<DIV>N9294Y</DIV>
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mogas that has ethanol? </DIV>
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<DIV>I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very prejudiced
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Plug |
The plug can be very difficult to remove.
Check out the site below for "Expanded Instructions & Tips for the
Removal of the Magnetic Plug on Rotax 912 & 914 Engines"
http://www.rotech.ca/whatnew.htm#MAGPLUGREMOVE
Good Luck,
Dick
Roger McConnell wrote:
>
> Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience removing the
> magnetic plug on the 912 engine that Rotax has said needs to be
> removed to check for engine wear? Is it really as hard to remove as
> they say it can be? I'm getting ready to do this and was curious what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Roger Mac
>
> *
>
>
> *
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There is an article about this on page 62 of the January '007 EAA Sport
Pilot. It is by Rotech Canada Tech Service. They suggest heating the
aluminum and cooling the plug with an aerosol coolant and have a 7 step
procedure.
Randy
.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Steade
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Roger
I removed mine on a new 912S it was very tight and released with a sharp
crack sound. My friend recently had the driver twist in the plug and had big
problems. I would suggest a new high quality driver to start with and be
careful to keep everything in line when you try.
Regards
David Steade
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G'Day from Australia
Does anyone know where I can find or have a list of the
following V Speeds for the Series 5 Outback Kitfox.
I have to complete my FlightManual, Va, Vfe, Vne, Vno,
Vs, Vso, Vx, Vy. Also, any additional information you
folks have developed would be appreciated.
Thanks for any information you are able to forward.
Cheers.
Cy
Series 5
Jabiru 3300
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Do you use the 100LL straight or with TCP?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
johnciolino@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
Roger,
I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL.
I've
run 100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior
to
that.
I have never had any problems with this combination. My exhaust is a
light
gray power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them. The plugs
are
pretty clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK
plugs
locally for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on
the
long term affects on the plugs.
I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else
mentioned the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that
may
be the case no matter what gas and/or additive I use. I used Honda
mineral
based motorcycle oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to
Penzoil motorcycle oil.
Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed
myself.
John Ciolino
N9294Y
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Hi List,
Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get
the
TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP
and
mogas that has ethanol?
I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very
prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.
Roger
N499KF
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There was a 100 HP turbine available for the Fox a few
years back. Very light for the power, but 17 GPH full
power and 11 GPH at idle, if I remember correctly.
Not much range.....
Kurt S.
--- Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> >I also agree with Dave who writes: "They are all
> fine engines." Now,
> >when can we expect a diesel engine light enough for
> a Kitfox? :-)
>
> I'm waiting for a truly fuel efficient turbine. Can
> you imagine how
> a 'fox would perform with an engine that light and
> powerful? :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
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Hi Cy,
I also have the S-5. I think you are supposed to test
for most speeds and fill out the Flight manual during
your flight testing phase. Results may vary.
You probably use kph? I don't have that handy so
you'll have to convert.
Only a few are common limits:
Vne is 122 knots.
Vfe is 70 knots.
The following were tested for:
My clean stalls were 40-45 knots depending on weight.
My dirty stalls were 35-40 knots, again weight
dependent.
I did get down to 30 knots power on for one stall, but
that is not a V speed, as far as I know.
Max roc was about 58 knots with little change in
weight. The roc did change a lot (nearly 30%) if I
was off even 2 knots. The climb curve was very
pointed. This may not be so critical after I add all
the drag reduction devices. Yours may also be less
critical.
Max aoc was only 2 knots slower than max roc.
Normal operating speed depends upon your engine and
the fuel burn you are happy with, as much as anything.
I use 80 to 95 knots as my range. I could last a
long time at 60 knots.... The difference in fuel burn
was LARGE! Again this is before adding any drag
reduction. I wanted to see what each anti-drag item
did for me by testing them seperately. Not done with
that yet.
Hope these help,
Kurt S.
--- cy <cygan@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> G'Day from Australia
> Does anyone know where I can find or have a list of
> the following V Speeds for the Series 5 Outback
> Kitfox.
> I have to complete my FlightManual, Va, Vfe, Vne,
> Vno, Vs, Vso, Vx, Vy. Also, any additional
> information you folks have developed would be
> appreciated.
> Thanks for any information you are able to forward.
> Cheers.
> Cy
>
> Series 5
>
> Jabiru 3300
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Thanks David, and others, that sounds like good advice. I'll make sure I've
got a good tight fit on everything and it's good and square before
attempting this.
Regards
Roger Mac
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Steade
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic Plug
Roger
I removed mine on a new 912S it was very tight and released with a sharp
crack sound. My friend recently had the driver twist in the plug and had big
problems. I would suggest a new high quality driver to start with and be
careful to keep everything in line when you try.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Kitfox list just like the Lancair |
List - Not building or fhying related do not archive
Well, I will say again that I was told by Bob Robertson's 912S expert that
the 912 has an alternator and needs to have the field energized in order to
charge. I believe it because when I hooked the wire up as he told me, it
all worked as it should and started charging the battery. So a dead battery
gives no joy.
Hope this gives him joy.
Randy
Now to the Kitfox list A guy posts that his 912 won't charge a dead
battery. So far no joy to him as the argument so far has been as to whether
the 912 has an alternator or generator and the related thought as to whether
it has a field coil.
The truth is in the book and not wanting to be a stiffler of the "chat"
someone else will have to go there and be the "idiot" or "spoil sport"
Lowell.
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I've looked at the archives on fuel tank problems and fixes and I gather
Skystars last fuel tanks where built using a vinyl ester resin.Has
anyone using that tank experienced problems with auto fuel and the
additives?I've pulled the 13 gal.tanks on my 1992 IV 1050 and I'm
concidering buying Johns new tanks and I'd like to continue to use auto
I did not build my plane but I think my tanks are exactly what you are
talking about and they have always had auto fuel or mogas as I call it
in them and been no trouble at all. I can't tell you though if they have
been sloshed except the fact they are a straw colour to see the fuel
level through the end of the tank and so it is difficult. This makes me
wonder if it's sloshing causing this but I don't know. It just seems to
me that if all tanks are so hard to see the fuel level through then
there needs to be another solution.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
I agree I run my 582 on 100LL all the time and never a problem. I do make
shure my egt's are right on and my water temp is around 170 all the time .
Have never seen any deposits on the crank bearings or ever had any issues
with lead on the rings .
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
>
> Noel sez:
>
>>The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
>>documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it can use 100LL in
>>small quantities extended use may damage your engine or shorten your
>>TBO...
>
> Baloney. My 912S ran exclusively on 100LL and still does (in another
> airplane). Many of the Rotax engines used by members of the Desert Fox
> squadron do as well. No damage, no shortened life.
>
> My next one will, too. Unlike auto fuel, at least we know what's in
> 100LL.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
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Rex can you please send me a email to
eskflyer@lvcisp.com. I have some questions about the tanks .
thanks
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks
I've looked at the archives on fuel tank problems and fixes and I
gather
Skystars last fuel tanks where built using a vinyl ester resin.Has
anyone using that tank experienced problems with auto fuel and the
additives?I've pulled the 13 gal.tanks on my 1992 IV 1050 and I'm
concidering buying Johns new tanks and I'd like to continue to use
auto
I did not build my plane but I think my tanks are exactly what you are
talking about and they have always had auto fuel or mogas as I call it
in them and been no trouble at all. I can't tell you though if they have
been sloshed except the fact they are a straw colour to see the fuel
level through the end of the tank and so it is difficult. This makes me
wonder if it's sloshing causing this but I don't know. It just seems to
me that if all tanks are so hard to see the fuel level through then
there needs to be another solution.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP |
John, what a great reply. Straight and to the point on something incredibly relevant.
Thank you very much!
Bob
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Read this topic online here:
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G'day John, I also had problems with my glass tanks and posted pictures
of the factory defects on Sports Flight. What I did to resolve my
problems was to remove each tank and recover them with epoxy and then
slosh each. Turned out great and no problems to date. I was fortunate in
that I was rebuilding the wings at the time so the tanks were easy to
remove. I did establish however that you can remove the tanks from the
wing without having to remove the inner wing rib as has been advise here
from time to time. Each end of the tank sits on a bed of silicon which
with patience can be removed and the tank slipped out. Its a tight fit
and you may get a bit of pressure placed on the under wing fabric but
they will come out.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: john perry
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks
Rex can you please send me a email to
eskflyer@lvcisp.com. I have some questions about the tanks .
thanks
John Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex Shaw
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks
I've looked at the archives on fuel tank problems and fixes and I
gather
Skystars last fuel tanks where built using a vinyl ester resin.Has
anyone using that tank experienced problems with auto fuel and the
additives?I've pulled the 13 gal.tanks on my 1992 IV 1050 and I'm
concidering buying Johns new tanks and I'd like to continue to use
auto
I did not build my plane but I think my tanks are exactly what you
are talking about and they have always had auto fuel or mogas as I call
it in them and been no trouble at all. I can't tell you though if they
have been sloshed except the fact they are a straw colour to see the
fuel level through the end of the tank and so it is difficult. This
makes me wonder if it's sloshing causing this but I don't know. It just
seems to me that if all tanks are so hard to see the fuel level through
then there needs to be another solution.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP |
=0ASteve, John, Mike, Dave, Lowell and all the others who responded
,=0A=0AThank you for your inputs. By far, the weight of the resp
onses say go for the 100LL and TCP with confidence so that is what I w
ill do. This List is great!=0A=0ARoger=0AN499KF
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
My apologies do go to Roger Standley who asked for this, about a 912 .
I replied about a 582 and 100LL
Fly safe
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Plug |
There was a great article on this in the January 2007 EAA Sport Pilot magazine.
The short version:
1-Heat up the engine
2-Put the Torx socket in the head and set it with a smart blow from a small or
medium hammer.
3-Use a breaker bar or a rachet handle with an extension
4-If the Torx slips even the slightest bit then stop.
5-Using a cold spray like "Super Cold R134" to flash cool the plug might help.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88474#88474
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| Subject: | Kitfox list just like the Lancair |
List - Not building or fhying related do not archive
You energize the regulator. It uses magnets on the flywheel to
generate pulses which are rectified and filtered. Clint
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: 912S alternator Was: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox list just like the
Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Well, I will say again that I was told by Bob Robertson's 912S expert that
the 912 has an alternator and needs to have the field energized in order to
charge. I believe it because when I hooked the wire up as he told me, it
all worked as it should and started charging the battery. So a dead battery
gives no joy.
Hope this gives him joy.
Randy
Now to the Kitfox list A guy posts that his 912 won't charge a dead
battery. So far no joy to him as the argument so far has been as to whether
the 912 has an alternator or generator and the related thought as to whether
it has a field coil.
The truth is in the book and not wanting to be a stiffler of the "chat"
someone else will have to go there and be the "idiot" or "spoil sport"
Lowell.
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
John :
Just a few specific questions.
Are you using the TCP or equivalent with the 100LL?
How many hours have you been using the 100LL?( an approximation is good for
that)
How often do you change your plugs?
Do you get much slag on the spark plugs?
Noel
Kitfox III-A
582UL "B"box
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> john perry
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
>
>
>
> I agree I run my 582 on 100LL all the time and never a
> problem. I do make
> shure my egt's are right on and my water temp is around 170
> all the time .
> Have never seen any deposits on the crank bearings or ever
> had any issues
> with lead on the rings .
> John Perry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:02 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
>
>
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >
> > Noel sez:
> >
> >>The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
> >>documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it
> can use 100LL in
> >>small quantities extended use may damage your engine or
> shorten your
> >>TBO...
> >
> > Baloney. My 912S ran exclusively on 100LL and still does
> (in another
> > airplane). Many of the Rotax engines used by members of
> the Desert Fox
> > squadron do as well. No damage, no shortened life.
> >
> > My next one will, too. Unlike auto fuel, at least we know
> what's in
> > 100LL.
> >
> > Mike G.
> > N728KF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
Noel
No I am not using TCP . Straight 100LL and never not any ever problems .327
hours and going strong . Just changed plugs , all looked good but replaced
anyway at 25 hours . I gap to .018 . No not much slag at all just the
normal little bit of buildup that any 2 stroke has .
Jetting and EGT'S and Water temp are very important i believe to the
proper care of the rotax and longevityof the engine .
Keep the EGT'S below 1175 never exceed this temp .1125 in normal flight .
Water temp around 170-175 in flight .
never exceed 2200 rpm before the temp reaches 140 stabilized after
thermostat has opened . Keep air filter clean and oiled properly .
With the time on my engine now I would not be afraid to get in my bird and
fly her to Alaska right now . Roughly 3500 miles one way . I did replace the
piston pin's and needle bearings at 300 hours . They did not show any wear
but that is a weak spot on the 582 , the Needle bearings .
I hope this helps you .
I love my 582 and like the HP vs weight of bigger 4 strokes .
fly safe
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
Serial#718
582 c box
>
> Just a few specific questions.
> Are you using the TCP or equivalent with the 100LL?
> How many hours have you been using the 100LL?( an approximation is good
> for
> that)
> How often do you change your plugs?
> Do you get much slag on the spark plugs?
>
>
> Noel
> Kitfox III-A
> 582UL "B"box
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