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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP (dave)
2. 04:13 AM - Re: 912S alternator Was: Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive (Dave G.)
3. 09:50 AM - Re: 100LL and TCP (johnciolino@comcast.net)
4. 01:00 PM - Dual Throttle (parahawk)
5. 02:26 PM - Re: Dual Throttle (dave)
6. 02:33 PM - Glide range (Joel)
7. 02:56 PM - Re: 912S alternator Was: Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive912S alternator Was: Kitfox list just like the (Nolan Donahue)
8. 03:26 PM - Re: Dual Throttle (Jose M. Toro)
9. 03:48 PM - Any Foxes For Sale (jareds)
10. 05:03 PM - Re: Dual Throttle (Ron Liebmann)
11. 10:06 PM - Re: Dual Throttle (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP |
I agree to not use 100LL on 2 strokes regularly. Occasionaly is not going to
cause much concern.
This list is great for separating the facts from fiction. And the guys who
run hundreds of hours a year are solid proof of what works and what does
not. I used over 1300 US gals of Gas in One 582 last year alone and it was
all regular pump gas. My plugs are at 122 hours now since July 2006 ands
still going strong.
I have Met the owner of this site and attended his Rotax Class. Highly
creditable Rotax Guru. AS a matter of Fact Daniel And Bob Robertson in
Canada are the only 2 Rotax guys that have the respect from many. They both
run Rotax Shops and teach Rotax School .
Hope this helps you all in successful operations .
Dave
Here is some creditable info on 100LL and Rotax 2 strokes.
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_feed2.htm
Aviation Fuels
It is possible but not recommended to use 100LL AVGAS, since the the lead
content will increase deposits in the combustion chamber and on crankshaft
ball bearings, inducing premature wear. Its higher octane rating does not
bring any significant advantage to the engine's operation.
Now for 4 strokes that same site tells about the same.
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_feed4.htm
Aviation Fuels
It is possible but not recommended to use 100LL AVGAS, since the the lead
content is like cholesterol to your engine: it will accelerate wear on the
valve seats, create deposits in the combustion chamber and sediments in the
lubrication system and gearbox. Increased maintenance is necessary to
compensate. Unlike "conventional" aircraft engines, lead is absolutely not
essential to the proper lubrication and operation of a Rotax 4-stroke
aircraft engine. The increased octane rating also has no marked advantage
for the operation of your engine.
To be avoided:
a.. "Regular" fuel except if used in the 912 A/F/UL and burned entirely on
the day of purchase;
b.. "Premium" fuel which is more than 3 weeks old
c.. AVGAS except when the required automotive fuel is not available
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
>
> I agree I run my 582 on 100LL all the time and never a problem. I do
> make shure my egt's are right on and my water temp is around 170 all the
> time .
> Have never seen any deposits on the crank bearings or ever had any issues
> with lead on the rings .
> John Perry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:02 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 100LL and TCP100LL and TCP
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>> Noel sez:
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>>>The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis, Lycs and even P&W are well
>>>documented.... Your 912 is neither of those and while it can use 100LL in
>>>small quantities extended use may damage your engine or shorten your
>>>TBO...
>>
>> Baloney. My 912S ran exclusively on 100LL and still does (in another
>> airplane). Many of the Rotax engines used by members of the Desert Fox
>> squadron do as well. No damage, no shortened life.
>>
>> My next one will, too. Unlike auto fuel, at least we know what's in
>> 100LL.
>>
>> Mike G.
>> N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair |
List - Not building or fhying related do not archive
The diagram on Page 10-2 of the illustrated parts cat. for the 912 clearly
shows a magnet excited alternator, no field coil. This arrangment is similar
to the two strokes. However, pages 12-2 and 13-2 show the AUX alternator,
which is clearly a conventional field excited alternator similar to your
car. Hope this helps.
The document referred to can be downloaded from
http://www.rotec.com/sdocintro.htm
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Noel,
I mix TCP with 100LL according to recommended ratio. I use the big syringe Alcor
sells which is marked in gallons. I note the number of gals I add to each tank
when I fill up and squirt the approrpiate amount of TCP in each tank.
John Ciolino
N9294Y
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From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Do you use the 100LL straight or with TCP?
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johnciolino@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
Roger,
I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL. I've run
100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior to that.
I have never had any problems with this combination. My exhaust is a light gray
power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them. The plugs are pretty
clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK plugs locally
for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on the long term
affects on the plugs.
I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else mentioned
the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may be the case no
matter what gas and/or additive I use. I used Honda mineral based motorcycle
oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to Penzoil motorcycle oil.
Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed myself.
John Ciolino
N9294Y
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From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Hi List,
Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the TCP
to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and mogas
that has ethanol?
I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very prejudiced
against mogas and encourage using 100LL.
Roger
N499KF
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<DIV>Noel,</DIV>
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<DIV>I mix TCP with 100LL according to recommended ratio. I use the big syringe
Alcor sells which is marked in gallons. I note the number of gals
I add to each tank when I fill up and squirt the approrpiate amount of TCP in
each tank. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ciolino</DIV>
<DIV>N9294Y</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Roger,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL.
I've run 100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior
to that. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have never had any problems with this combination. My exhaust is a
light gray power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them. The
plugs are pretty clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK
plugs locally for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on
the long term affects on the plugs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else mentioned
the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may be the case
no matter what gas and/or additive I use. I used Honda mineral based
motorcycle oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to Penzoil motorcycle
oil.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed myself.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ciolino</DIV>
<DIV>N9294Y</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the
TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and
mogas that has ethanol? </DIV>
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<DIV>I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very prejudiced
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Has anybody added a left side panel mounted throttle to fly the airplane right
handed ??
Thanks for the info
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Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Throttle |
I know a guy with a Kitfox 1 that has dual conrtols.
I can likely get you a picture of it sometime .
Basically it a bell crank on engine side of firewall that both throttle
controls attach too from the dash.
Then there is a point on it where it attaches to the carb . ( it a 503
single carb) .
Easier solution - if you like flying right handed , sit on right side :)
Dave
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From: "parahawk" <alfi98596@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual Throttle
>
> Has anybody added a left side panel mounted throttle to fly the airplane
> right handed ??
> Thanks for the info
>
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> Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
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My Pocket PC reset and I am reconfiguring the Anywhere Map GPS program and don't
remember the glide info. Anyone have numbers for a model 5?
--------
Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: 912S alternator Was: RE: Kitfox list just like the Lancair |
List - Not building or fhying related do not archive912S alternator Was:
Kitfox list just like the
I'm not sure exactly what type of charging system the
912 has (I think it's an alternator bult into the
flywheel) but no matter what type it is, most
airplanes will not charge a dead or nearly dead
battery because the solenoid that connects the battery
to the rest of the electrical system requires battery
power. So when you flip the master switch, if the
battery has no juice, the battery cannot be connected
to the alternator, generator, stator etc it makes no
difference if the engine is running or not. Some of
the master relays may require more juice than others
but they all need some. It's like when you try to
start your car with a dead battery, and you hear the
solenoid clicking, without enough juice to fully
engage the solenoid.
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Throttle |
This does not exactly answers your question, but I have seen many people that fly
from the right seat in order to have the stick on the right hand. To do so,
you must have breaks on the right seat. If necessary, I think it's easier to
move break actuators than to move throttle.
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: parahawk <alfi98596@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:59:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual Throttle
Has anybody added a left side panel mounted throttle to fly the airplane right
handed ??
Thanks for the info
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| Subject: | Any Foxes For Sale |
My great uncle wayne dietrich inspired me to fly as a little kid with
his cub
He wants to buy a fox
He used to have a dakota from edgeley ND
If you know of a plane for sale let me know by emailing me direct.
Price and photos and local.
Good ole cowboy who still breaks our horses in his box canyon near mount
rushmore.
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Throttle |
One of the first things that I did with my kit was to remove the center
throttle mount and move it to the left side so I could fly right handed. I
had many hours in J-3's in the past and was used to flying that way.
Ron N55KF
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----- Original Message -----
From: "parahawk" <alfi98596@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual Throttle
>
> Has anybody added a left side panel mounted throttle to fly the airplane
> right handed ??
> Thanks for the info
>
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> Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88672#88672
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Throttle |
At 12:59 PM 1/18/2007, you wrote:
>Has anybody added a left side panel mounted throttle to fly the airplane
>right handed ??
>Thanks for the info
My flight buddy has a left hand / left seat throttle on his K-IV / 912. He
made a very simple two cable throttle system from scratch. My question,
however, and I don't mean to be rude, is why don't you just fly left
handed? I fly both right and left handed and it doesn't seem to make a
difference. I mean, I'm scary with either hand, and I'm by no means
ambidextrous. I didn't do it on purpose, it's just that when I learned in
the 152 I flew left hand wheel, then when I went to the Decathlon I had to
fly right hand stick, then when I flew the Kitfox it was left hand stick. I
don't think it took more than a few minutes to become comfortable either
way. Flying right handed in the left seat seems challenging to me, because
you then have to do all the panel work with your left hand. You also end up
switching hands any time you want a chart, or a drink, or when you have to
slap your passenger to stop their screaming. I agree with Dave, it would be
easier to sit on the right side. (Assuming your panel was made that way.)
Just tell everyone you learned to fly in England. They'll understand.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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