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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Any Foxes For Sale (RAY Gignac)
2. 04:30 AM - Dual Throttle (Fox5flyer)
3. 06:19 AM - Liquid Cooling (Noel Loveys)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Dual Throttle (Noel Loveys)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Fox5flyer)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: Dual Throttle (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Lowell Fitt)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Lynn Matteson)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Sjklerks@aol.com)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Marco Menezes)
11. 09:43 AM - Re: 100LL and TCP (jdmcbean)
12. 11:19 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling (jdmcbean)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: 912S alternator Was: Re: Kitfox list just like the Lancair List - Not building or fhying related do not archive912S alternator Was: Kitfox list just like the (Richard D'Archangel)
14. 12:02 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Noel Loveys)
15. 12:32 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Noel Loveys)
16. 02:11 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Lynn Matteson)
17. 04:07 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling (jdmcbean)
18. 04:14 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (dave)
19. 04:31 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (jdmcbean)
20. 04:42 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (dave)
21. 04:49 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (Don Smythe)
22. 08:02 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling (Noel Loveys)
23. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Update (david yeamans)
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| Subject: | Any Foxes For Sale |
Hi Jared,
Have not talked to you in a long time!! how are things going in South
Dakota? Have you been flying your Fox much. How was your holiday season.
Ray
>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Any Foxes For Sale
>Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:46:48 -0600
>
>
>My great uncle wayne dietrich inspired me to fly as a little kid with his
>cub
>He wants to buy a fox
>He used to have a dakota from edgeley ND
>If you know of a plane for sale let me know by emailing me direct.
>Price and photos and local.
>Good ole cowboy who still breaks our horses in his box canyon near mount
>rushmore.
>
>
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Hilarious, Guy! This topic has been thrashed on this list at least two or
three times that I can recall. Lots of folks have come up with some very
novel ways of converting over to right hand stick and I'd be the last one to
discourage experimenting, because that's what this stuff is all about. When
something needs to be done, the geniuses come out of the woodwork to come up
with a way to make it happen.
However, I agree with Guy. Previous to my Kitfox I had right hand stick and
I dreaded what it would be like to switch over, just like when I left France
on the ferry to England and had to switch over suddenly to the other side of
the road. Nervous at first, but not really a problem. When I took my first
Kitfox out for taxi tests I was accustomed to it before the airplane ever
left the ground. Sure, if right hand stick is what you want, go for it, but
IMO it isn't really necessary and by going there you just add more weight
and complexity.
Just my 2 bucks. Yeah, I know. Inflation...
Deke
25f, light snow, calm, NE Michigan
> My flight buddy has a left hand / left seat throttle on his K-IV / 912. He
> made a very simple two cable throttle system from scratch. My question,
> however, and I don't mean to be rude, is why don't you just fly left
> handed? I fly both right and left handed and it doesn't seem to make a
> difference. I mean, I'm scary with either hand, and I'm by no means
> ambidextrous. I didn't do it on purpose, it's just that when I learned in
> the 152 I flew left hand wheel, then when I went to the Decathlon I had to
> fly right hand stick, then when I flew the Kitfox it was left hand stick.
I
> don't think it took more than a few minutes to become comfortable either
> way. Flying right handed in the left seat seems challenging to me, because
> you then have to do all the panel work with your left hand. You also end
up
> switching hands any time you want a chart, or a drink, or when you have to
> slap your passenger to stop their screaming. I agree with Dave, it would
be
> easier to sit on the right side. (Assuming your panel was made that way.)
> Just tell everyone you learned to fly in England. They'll understand.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine (700E).
I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first thing I
noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have the aerodynamic
stability of a brick or less.
I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes have
what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the plane and
could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through the rad and
possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I haven't seen
anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't mentioned
in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate one scoop seems
kind of expensive.
Three questions.
Are these scoops available?
If they are where do you get one?
How much will it cost?
Noel
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When I flew a Super Cub last fall the most noticeable thing was flying right
handed... No problems just a bit uncomfortable like putting your watch on
the wrong arm... Being a south paw I do that sometimes to reduce shock on
the watch and not put it in the pocket with the hole.
Noel
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual Throttle
>
>
>
>
> Hilarious, Guy! This topic has been thrashed on this list at
> least two or
> three times that I can recall. Lots of folks have come up
> with some very
> novel ways of converting over to right hand stick and I'd be
> the last one to
> discourage experimenting, because that's what this stuff is
> all about. When
> something needs to be done, the geniuses come out of the
> woodwork to come up
> with a way to make it happen.
> However, I agree with Guy. Previous to my Kitfox I had right
> hand stick and
> I dreaded what it would be like to switch over, just like
> when I left France
> on the ferry to England and had to switch over suddenly to
> the other side of
> the road. Nervous at first, but not really a problem. When
> I took my first
> Kitfox out for taxi tests I was accustomed to it before the
> airplane ever
> left the ground. Sure, if right hand stick is what you want,
> go for it, but
> IMO it isn't really necessary and by going there you just add
> more weight
> and complexity.
> Just my 2 bucks. Yeah, I know. Inflation...
> Deke
> 25f, light snow, calm, NE Michigan
>
> > My flight buddy has a left hand / left seat throttle on his
> K-IV / 912. He
> > made a very simple two cable throttle system from scratch.
> My question,
> > however, and I don't mean to be rude, is why don't you just fly left
> > handed? I fly both right and left handed and it doesn't
> seem to make a
> > difference. I mean, I'm scary with either hand, and I'm by no means
> > ambidextrous. I didn't do it on purpose, it's just that
> when I learned in
> > the 152 I flew left hand wheel, then when I went to the
> Decathlon I had to
> > fly right hand stick, then when I flew the Kitfox it was
> left hand stick.
> I
> > don't think it took more than a few minutes to become
> comfortable either
> > way. Flying right handed in the left seat seems challenging
> to me, because
> > you then have to do all the panel work with your left hand.
> You also end
> up
> > switching hands any time you want a chart, or a drink, or
> when you have to
> > slap your passenger to stop their screaming. I agree with
> Dave, it would
> be
> > easier to sit on the right side. (Assuming your panel was
> made that way.)
> > Just tell everyone you learned to fly in England. They'll
> understand.
> >
> >
> > Guy Buchanan
> > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling |
MessageBuilding a one time mold isn't expensive if you just use typical
one inch blue board foam then cover it with glass. When it's set up
remove the foam and you have a scoop. It almost requires the airplane
be upside down though, but when the wings and engine are removed it
isn't too difficult with Somme help.
I'm going to attach a photo of mine. It's on Sportflight, but the site
is down temporarily so I can't send a link. I'll try an attachment.
Deke
scroll down
As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine
(700E). I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first
thing I noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have the
aerodynamic stability of a brick or less.
I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes
have what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the
plane and could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
the rad and possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
haven't seen anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop
isn't mentioned in my construction manual. Building a mould to
fabricate one scoop seems kind of expensive.
Three questions.
Are these scoops available?
If they are where do you get one?
How much will it cost?
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Throttle |
I would seem a whole lot easier to fly left handed.....
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> This does not exactly answers your question, but I have seen many people that
> fly from the right seat in order to have the stick on the right hand. To do so,
> you must have breaks on the right seat. If necessary, I think it's easier to
> move break actuators than to move throttle.
>
> Jose
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: parahawk
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:59:35 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual Throttle
>
>
>
> Has anybody added a left side panel mounted throttle to fly the airplane right
> handed ??
> Thanks for the info
>
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answers your question, but I have seen many people that <BR>> fly from
the right seat in order to have the stick on the right hand. To do so, <BR>>
you must have breaks on the right seat. If necessary, I think it's easier
to <BR>> move break actuators than to move throttle. <BR>> <BR>> Jose
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January 18, 2007 4:59:35 PM <BR>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual Throttle <BR>>
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling |
Noel,
I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I picked it up from
a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have gone the hard
way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
available. Contact John to make sure of that.
Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
> As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine (700E).
> I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>
> In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first thing
> I
> noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have the aerodynamic
> stability of a brick or less.
>
> I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes have
> what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the plane and
> could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through the rad and
> possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I haven't seen
> anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
> mentioned
> in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate one scoop seems
> kind of expensive.
>
> Three questions.
>
> Are these scoops available?
> If they are where do you get one?
> How much will it cost?
>
>
> Noel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling |
Noel-
I've got a scoop from my IV that I'm not using. It's yours for the
postage...or actually I owe Deke a lunch for an owed postage deal, so
you and he could... oh, never mind...let me know where you are.
Lynn
On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine
> (700E). I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a
> year.
>
> In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first
> thing I noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
> the aerodynamic stability of a brick or less.
>
> I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes
> have what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the
> plane and could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow
> through the rad and possibly even offer a damper of sorts for
> winter flying. I haven't seen anything like this scoop available
> on line and such a scoop isn't mentioned in my construction
> manual. Building a mould to fabricate one scoop seems kind of
> expensive.
>
> Three questions.
>
> Are these scoops available?
> If they are where do you get one?
> How much will it cost?
>
> Noel
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling |
Hi Lynn, How much speed would you gain by adding the rad scoop that was
available from skystar. Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling |
Noel,
You have a Model 2, right? As slow (Vne 100) and draggy as the Mod 2 is, do you
think the extra weight is justified by the extra couple cruise mph you're likely
to gain?
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Noel,
I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I picked it up from
a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have gone the hard
way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
available. Contact John to make sure of that.
Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys"
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
> As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine (700E).
> I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>
> In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first thing
> I
> noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have the aerodynamic
> stability of a brick or less.
>
> I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes have
> what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the plane and
> could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through the rad and
> possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I haven't seen
> anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
> mentioned
> in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate one scoop seems
> kind of expensive.
>
> Three questions.
>
> Are these scoops available?
> If they are where do you get one?
> How much will it cost?
>
>
> Noel
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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We also sell TCP that doesnt need a syringe and is safe to carry in the
cockpit. $20 and treats up to 320 gallons.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
johnciolino@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
Noel,
I mix TCP with 100LL according to recommended ratio. I use the big syringe
Alcor sells which is marked in gallons. I note the number of gals I add to
each tank when I fill up and squirt the approrpiate amount of TCP in each
tank.
John Ciolino
N9294Y
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Do you use the 100LL straight or with TCP?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
johnciolino@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 100LL and TCP
Roger,
I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL. I've
run 100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior to
that.
I have never had any problems with this combination. My exhaust is a light
gray power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them. The plugs are
pretty clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK plugs
locally for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on the
long term affects on the plugs.
I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else
mentioned the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may
be the case no matter what gas and/or additive I use. I used Honda mineral
based motorcycle oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to
Penzoil motorcycle oil.
Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed
myself.
John Ciolino
N9294Y
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Hi List,
Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the
TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and
mogas that has ethanol?
I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very
prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.
Roger
N499KF
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
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1:03 PM
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Noel,
The scoops are available
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine (700E).
I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first thing I
noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have the aerodynamic
stability of a brick or less.
I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes have
what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the plane and
could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through the rad and
possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I haven't seen
anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't mentioned
in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate one scoop seems
kind of expensive.
Three questions.
Are these scoops available?
If they are where do you get one?
How much will it cost?
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: 912S alternator Was: RE: Kitfox list just like the Lancair |
List - Not building or fhying related do not archive912S alternator
Was: Kitfox list just like the
Dick writes:
There may be some confusion as to the correct term to use, but in the
parts list it is called a magneto generator. It has a magnetic ring
that rotates around a static winding assembly and generates alternating
current which is converted to direct current at about 14 volts by the
rectifier regulator. This is confusing to me because I tend to think in
automotive terms were a generator produces DC and an alternator produces AC.
Note that there are separate windings on the stator for charging and
ignition. So even if your charging circuit is not producing power,
through the rectifier regulator, ignition power is still available. So
you should be able to hand prop the engine even if the battery is dead.
Once the engine is running, (and you can still count to ten on your
fingers, hopefully) will the battery charge?
That depends. On my kitfox the output of the rectifier regulator
(terminal B) goes through the master switch on its way to the battery.
Also the rectifier regulator control (terminal C) is energized through
the master switch so if the battery is so dead that it can't actuate the
master switch, no charge can get to the battery.
Dick
"The *Dynamo* was the first electrical generator capable of delivering
power for industry. The dynamo uses electromagnetic
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism> principles to convert
mechanical rotation into an alternating electric current
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_%28electricity%29>. A dynamo
machine consists of a stationary structure which generates a strong
magnetic field, and a set of rotating windings which turn within that
field. On small machines the magnetic field may be provided by a
permanent magnet; larger machines have the magnetic field created by
electromagnets."
In the 912 permanent magnets are used. Note that the dynamo produces
alternating current. It's a very simple and reliable way of generating
electrical power. It is quite different in structure from an
automotive alternator, which produces
Nolan Donahue wrote:
>
> I'm not sure exactly what type of charging system the
> 912 has (I think it's an alternator bult into the
> flywheel) but no matter what type it is, most
> airplanes will not charge a dead or nearly dead
> battery because the solenoid that connects the battery
> to the rest of the electrical system requires battery
> power. So when you flip the master switch, if the
> battery has no juice, the battery cannot be connected
> to the alternator, generator, stator etc it makes no
> difference if the engine is running or not. Some of
> the master relays may require more juice than others
> but they all need some. It's like when you try to
> start your car with a dead battery, and you hear the
> solenoid clicking, without enough juice to fully
> engage the solenoid.
>
>
>
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It is a very draggy Model II... very late numbers (736). It is on a
nice
sleek set of Aerocet straight floats. As I was saying I've been doing a
bit
of work on the plane the past few days and would like to clean it up a
bit.
Also dragging those floats up hill does require the engine to do 1quite
a
bit of work. I thought I could install some kind of shutter in the
intake
of a scoop to cut down the airflow through the scoop in the winter. To
be
honest an extra mile or two per hour really doesn't interest me too much
on
this kind of plane but if I can improve the cooling efficiency in the
summer
and control the air through the rad in the winter I think it will be
worth
it.
I am also considering trying some plastic fairings on the wing struts.
It seems there are a few of those scoops around and several of them are
on
planes. I'll post some measurements and see what fits.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
Noel,
You have a Model 2, right? As slow (Vne 100) and draggy as the Mod 2 is,
do
you think the extra weight is justified by the extra couple cruise mph
you're likely to gain?
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Noel,
I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I picked it up
from
a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have gone the
hard
way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
available. Contact John to make sure of that.
Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys"
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
> As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS engine
(700E).
> I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>
> In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and the first
thing
> I
> noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have the
aerodynamic
> stability of a brick or less.
>
> I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of the planes
have
> what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of the plane
and
> could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through the rad
and
> possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I haven't
seen
> anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
> mentioned
> in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate one scoop
seems
> kind of expensive.
>
>
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Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That way
if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Noel,
>
> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
> picked it up from
> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
> gone the hard
> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>
> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
> engine (700E).
> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
> >
> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
> the first thing
> > I
> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
> the aerodynamic
> > stability of a brick or less.
> >
> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
> the planes have
> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
> the plane and
> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
> the rad and
> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
> haven't seen
> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
> > mentioned
> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
> one scoop seems
> > kind of expensive.
> >
> > Three questions.
> >
> > Are these scoops available?
> > If they are where do you get one?
> > How much will it cost?
> >
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling |
Beats me...I'm aircooled, so I've never looked into the scoop
situation. But this (the one that I have) is the one that Skystar
provided.
Lynn
On Jan 19, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Sjklerks@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Lynn, How much speed would you gain by adding the rad scoop that
> was available from skystar. Jim
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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Thought I did... they are available...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That way
if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Noel,
>
> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
> picked it up from
> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
> gone the hard
> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>
> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
> engine (700E).
> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
> >
> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
> the first thing
> > I
> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
> the aerodynamic
> > stability of a brick or less.
> >
> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
> the planes have
> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
> the plane and
> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
> the rad and
> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
> haven't seen
> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
> > mentioned
> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
> one scoop seems
> > kind of expensive.
> >
> > Three questions.
> >
> > Are these scoops available?
> > If they are where do you get one?
> > How much will it cost?
> >
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
6:47 PM
--
6:47 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
John,
What can one expect with the addition of a rad fairing that you sell ?
Speed Gain ?
Better cooling ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
> Thought I did... they are available...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That way
> if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lowell Fitt
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Noel,
>>
>> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
>> picked it up from
>> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
>> gone the hard
>> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
>> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>>
>> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
>> engine (700E).
>> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>> >
>> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
>> the first thing
>> > I
>> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
>> the aerodynamic
>> > stability of a brick or less.
>> >
>> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
>> the planes have
>> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
>> the plane and
>> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
>> the rad and
>> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
>> haven't seen
>> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
>> > mentioned
>> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
>> one scoop seems
>> > kind of expensive.
>> >
>> > Three questions.
>> >
>> > Are these scoops available?
>> > If they are where do you get one?
>> > How much will it cost?
>> >
>> >
>> > Noel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 6:47 PM
>
> --
> 6:47 PM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
Yes on both accounts.. I think it's better looking as well...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
John,
What can one expect with the addition of a rad fairing that you sell ?
Speed Gain ?
Better cooling ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
> Thought I did... they are available...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That way
> if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lowell Fitt
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Noel,
>>
>> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
>> picked it up from
>> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
>> gone the hard
>> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
>> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>>
>> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
>> engine (700E).
>> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>> >
>> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
>> the first thing
>> > I
>> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
>> the aerodynamic
>> > stability of a brick or less.
>> >
>> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
>> the planes have
>> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
>> the plane and
>> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
>> the rad and
>> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
>> haven't seen
>> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
>> > mentioned
>> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
>> one scoop seems
>> > kind of expensive.
>> >
>> > Three questions.
>> >
>> > Are these scoops available?
>> > If they are where do you get one?
>> > How much will it cost?
>> >
>> >
>> > Noel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 6:47 PM
>
> --
> 6:47 PM
>
>
--
6:47 PM
--
6:47 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
Any idea on a 582 KF IV whatd kind of speed gain could be had ?
And what is price ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
> Yes on both accounts.. I think it's better looking as well...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
>
> John,
>
> What can one expect with the addition of a rad fairing that you sell ?
> Speed Gain ?
> Better cooling ?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
>>
>> Thought I did... they are available...
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> 208.337.5111
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>> Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That
>> way
>> if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Lowell Fitt
>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>
>>>
>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>> Noel,
>>>
>>> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
>>> picked it up from
>>> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
>>> gone the hard
>>> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
>>> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>>>
>>> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>
>>>
>>> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
>>> engine (700E).
>>> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>>> >
>>> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
>>> the first thing
>>> > I
>>> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
>>> the aerodynamic
>>> > stability of a brick or less.
>>> >
>>> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
>>> the planes have
>>> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
>>> the plane and
>>> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
>>> the rad and
>>> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
>>> haven't seen
>>> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
>>> > mentioned
>>> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
>>> one scoop seems
>>> > kind of expensive.
>>> >
>>> > Three questions.
>>> >
>>> > Are these scoops available?
>>> > If they are where do you get one?
>>> > How much will it cost?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Noel
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 6:47 PM
>>
>> --
>> 6:47 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 6:47 PM
>
> --
> 6:47 PM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
Dave,
I'll jump in on this one if I may. Lets see, SPEED SPEED. first. It's
sort of like those gadgets you used to could buy for your car that would
give you a boost of X% per gadget. If you bought all of them and installed
then in your car you would have to remove gasoline from your tank daily
because of the savings. Now, if you put every single speed improvement on a
given Kitfox it will go faster. However, the gain will probably be about as
fast as you can walk. What's that, 5- 6 MPH....A given Kitfox only goes so
fast...
BETTER COOLING. Now, we are getting to the real issue. To add a simple
fairing around the radiator is going to improve the cooling. How much,
maybe 5 degrees or tops 10. To fully control coolant temps (especially 582)
can get to be complex. Been there and done that.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
> John,
>
> What can one expect with the addition of a rad fairing that you sell ?
> Speed Gain ?
> Better cooling ?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
>>
>> Thought I did... they are available...
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> 208.337.5111
>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>> Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That
>> way
>> if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Lowell Fitt
>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>
>>>
>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>> Noel,
>>>
>>> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
>>> picked it up from
>>> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
>>> gone the hard
>>> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
>>> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>>>
>>> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>
>>>
>>> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
>>> engine (700E).
>>> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>>> >
>>> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
>>> the first thing
>>> > I
>>> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
>>> the aerodynamic
>>> > stability of a brick or less.
>>> >
>>> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
>>> the planes have
>>> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
>>> the plane and
>>> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
>>> the rad and
>>> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
>>> haven't seen
>>> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
>>> > mentioned
>>> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
>>> one scoop seems
>>> > kind of expensive.
>>> >
>>> > Three questions.
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>>> > Are these scoops available?
>>> > If they are where do you get one?
>>> > How much will it cost?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Noel
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Great! The next questions are how heavy and how much.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 8:37 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
>
> Thought I did... they are available...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Noel Loveys
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>
>
> Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post
> it. That way
> if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
>
> Noel
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Lowell Fitt
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
> >
> >
> > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Noel,
> >
> > I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
> > picked it up from
> > a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
> > gone the hard
> > way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
> > available. Contact John to make sure of that.
> >
> > Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
> >
> >
> > > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
> > engine (700E).
> > > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
> > the first thing
> > > I
> > > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
> > the aerodynamic
> > > stability of a brick or less.
> > >
> > > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
> > the planes have
> > > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
> > the plane and
> > > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
> > the rad and
> > > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
> > haven't seen
> > > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
> > > mentioned
> > > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
> > one scoop seems
> > > kind of expensive.
> > >
> > > Three questions.
> > >
> > > Are these scoops available?
> > > If they are where do you get one?
> > > How much will it cost?
> > >
> > >
> > > Noel
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Update |
Dave, I'm with you !!!
This is all a political movement, it can't last. if they took
all the corn
in the United States and turned it in to Ethanol, it would only amount
to
15 % of the fuel supply. in the mean time there would be no feed for
the
live stock, wild animals, birds and etc. and how about corn meal? No
Taco's either, this ain't good
This government for the people is way out of hand..... David
----- Original Message -----
From: crazyivan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know what
they are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping on the
ethanol band wagon, but I think it's only a matter of time before some
hack bureaucrats put the squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo
science.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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