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1. 04:53 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (dave)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Any Foxes For Sale (Dwayne)
3. 07:32 AM - 912 Throttle Linkage (Lowell Fitt)
4. 07:51 AM - Quick SEries 5 dimension check, please? (Bob)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: rims (Harold Nelson)
6. 08:20 AM - Re: rims (akflyer)
7. 08:34 AM - Kitfox for sale (Brent E Bidus)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: rims (Dee Young)
9. 08:53 AM - Re: rims (akflyer)
10. 08:58 AM - Re: Quick SEries 5 dimension check, please? (Jim Corner)
11. 09:13 AM - Re: rims (Dwayne)
12. 09:20 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (Don Smythe)
13. 09:36 AM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (dave)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: rims (DeWayne Clifford)
15. 10:11 AM - Re: rims (Tom Jones)
16. 12:41 PM - Re: rims (akflyer)
17. 01:07 PM - Off topic, Ethanol: Was - Fuel Tank Update (Marco Menezes)
18. 01:33 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (Noel Loveys)
19. 01:34 PM - Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? (Noel Loveys)
20. 02:07 PM - Re: Off topic, Ethanol: Was - Fuel Tank Update (Noel Loveys)
21. 04:45 PM - Fuel tanks (Sjklerks@aol.com)
22. 06:06 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (dave)
23. 08:09 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (Noel Loveys)
24. 08:49 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (DeWayne Clifford)
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
Hey Don and John , Thanks for the info on the Scoops.
I really Like Don's prediction is 5 mph gain. I think I lost 1 or 2 mph
from those King fox tires I put on but really cannot confirn till I get to
go 5 minutes one way. It been far too much fun landing everywhere,
mud,slop ,snow, ice , water. etc :) I will have to go get some speed
tests done. We under heavy snow squall right now,but hopefully later today
I will see if the King fox an handle 6 inches of snow or not.
Heating - Well I really have not had any issues with heating. I have read
others have lowered rad etc. Mine rad I will guess is about 6 inches
forward of the Tube gear. How does that compare to others ? Mine is 4 x 20
by about 2 inches thick. I think it is the same as a 912 rad. Gary Walsh's
Rad on his 912S looks the same to me.
Airdrag- I think the rad fairing scoop might help a bit but I think the
large opening in the round cowl could actually be a bit more airdrag. ( is
that the correct term ? ) I might close mine up a bit by making a winter
front out of alum and screw it on to try.
My 582 IV runs at best about 90 mph with the old tires 15 tall and about
6 inch wide golf cart style. I think the 582 just runs out of torque
there. I can go WOT to 102 103 mph . New tires are about 20 ot 21 incjes
tall and about 9+ " wide. but more of a rounded tire and not a flat tread.
( the braking is really non- existant now)
I have 3 fuel tanks and that big clunky cap on the dash tank must add a
little drag as well but I ma certainly no expert on streamlining.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
> Dave,
> I'll jump in on this one if I may. Lets see, SPEED SPEED. first. It's
> sort of like those gadgets you used to could buy for your car that would
> give you a boost of X% per gadget. If you bought all of them and
> installed then in your car you would have to remove gasoline from your
> tank daily because of the savings. Now, if you put every single speed
> improvement on a given Kitfox it will go faster. However, the gain will
> probably be about as fast as you can walk. What's that, 5- 6 MPH....A
> given Kitfox only goes so fast...
> BETTER COOLING. Now, we are getting to the real issue. To add a simple
> fairing around the radiator is going to improve the cooling. How much,
> maybe 5 degrees or tops 10. To fully control coolant temps (especially
> 582) can get to be complex. Been there and done that.
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> What can one expect with the addition of a rad fairing that you sell ?
>> Speed Gain ?
>> Better cooling ?
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thought I did... they are available...
>>>
>>> Fly Safe !!
>>> John & Debra McBean
>>> 208.337.5111
>>> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>>> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:32 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Lowell. I expect if John has one in stock he'll post it. That
>>> way
>>> if any one wants to install a scoop they will know where to get them.
>>>
>>> Noel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Lowell Fitt
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:28 PM
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> Noel,
>>>>
>>>> I have the scoop offered in the Model IV Speedster kit. I
>>>> picked it up from
>>>> a builder in Alaska that didn't want to use it. Others have
>>>> gone the hard
>>>> way and built their own. I don't think the Speedster scoup is still
>>>> available. Contact John to make sure of that.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding winter flying, the scoop actually enhances cooling.
>>>>
>>>> Lowell
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > As a few know I'm the one who has been asking about the HKS
>>>> engine (700E).
>>>> > I definitely won't be replacing my engine for at least a year.
>>>> >
>>>> > In the meantime I'd like to clean up the plane a bit. and
>>>> the first thing
>>>> > I
>>>> > noticed was the rad hanging off the belly. This must have
>>>> the aerodynamic
>>>> > stability of a brick or less.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have noticed on some of the pictures here that some of
>>>> the planes have
>>>> > what looks to be a very nice scoop mounted to the belly of
>>>> the plane and
>>>> > could offer a streamlining effect, directed airflow through
>>>> the rad and
>>>> > possibly even offer a damper of sorts for winter flying. I
>>>> haven't seen
>>>> > anything like this scoop available on line and such a scoop isn't
>>>> > mentioned
>>>> > in my construction manual. Building a mould to fabricate
>>>> one scoop seems
>>>> > kind of expensive.
>>>> >
>>>> > Three questions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Are these scoops available?
>>>> > If they are where do you get one?
>>>> > How much will it cost?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Noel
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 6:47 PM
>>>
>>> --
>>> 6:47 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Foxes For Sale |
A former Model IV Speedster of mine (85KF) will be for sale on Ebay soon. Its near
Knoxville, TN. Around 140TT.....Its a 912 with everything inc, Garmin panel
mount GPS/COM, etc....Flys GREAT!!! He told me Thursday that he was Ebaying
it soon Contact Gary Minor here and tell him Dwayne said that he had a Speedster
for sale:
http://minorsmarine.com/
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| Subject: | 912 Throttle Linkage |
The last two or three flights I found myself a bit high from downwind to
final and attributed it to not paying enough attention to the details, but I
went up Friday for a couple of short local flights and found that I couldn't
get the RPMs below about 3300 on final and when on the ground it wouldn't
idle below 2100.
I checked out the linkage and found that I was about .060 from the idle
stops and everything in the cables etc. looked OK.
Has anyone else had what appears to be cable stretch in the throttle
linkage? This might also expain why starts have been a bit harder as with
cable stretch (?), I haven't been able to close the throttle enough for the
start system (choke) in the carburetor to become effective.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Quick SEries 5 dimension check, please? |
I need to try to get my Series V airframe between a furnace and fixed column and
I know it'll be tight. Can somebody please measure the width and height at
the widest point, near the rear spar carry-through?
Thanks
Bob
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DeWayne--
If you are still needing rims, I have a pair from a Model III which
I believe are the same ones used on the Model I. The Parts List
describes the wheels as P/N LW-27R, 8" diam., 6" wide. The hubs, P/N
LHH-14, are included, and have the bearing races, P/N LGBH-18
installed.The wheels do have the Brake Disc mounting pads welded on. If
you can use them I would be happy to send them for $25 plus shipping.
Harold Nelson
Do not arhive
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If he does not want them I will take them...
Thanks
Leni
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Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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List,
I recently purchased a Kitfox 3 with model 4 wings, flaperons, and flight
controls. I really only wanted the Rotax 912 that the previous owner had
with it but he didn't want to part it out. I'm getting close to
finishing my Classic 4 and thought this would be a good follow-on project
since I've really enjoyed the building process. I've decided against
building another airplane for now (one kid in college, two more getting
closer), so I'll make someone a good deal for virtually a complete kit
minus engine. The kit was professionally powdercoated (not from the
factory though), and comes with speedster wing tips, wing false ribs, and
airfoiled tail surfaces. Wings are mostly built and have been fitted to
the fuselage. None of the parts have been covered, so you can verify the
quality of construction. Comes with cowling, firewall, engine mount for
a Rotax 912, exhaust system, some flight and engine instruments, prop,
spinner, and many other parts from the FWF kit. Any other parts needed
will be readily available from John McBean or other suppliers. The crate
is long gone, so you will need to pick it up in Colorado Springs CO.
Please email off-list for further details and to discuss price. For you
list lurkers out there, this is your chance to build your dream at a
great price. As a side note, the kitfox is a plane you really can build.
I had absolutely no previous building experience to include airplanes,
bird houses, working on cars, etc. This list and your willingness to ask
questions when you are unsure of something will allow even someone with
no prior experience to complete this kit.
Brent Bidus
brentbidus@juno.com
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Let me know if DeWayne is not interested as I would be, Thanks
Dee
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Nelson<mailto:HBN@srnet.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rims
DeWayne--
If you are still needing rims, I have a pair from a Model III
which I believe are the same ones used on the Model I. The Parts List
describes the wheels as P/N LW-27R, 8" diam., 6" wide. The hubs, P/N
LHH-14, are included, and have the bearing races, P/N LGBH-18
installed.The wheels do have the Brake Disc mounting pads welded on. If
you can use them I would be happy to send them for $25 plus shipping.
Harold Nelson
Do not arhive
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Kitfox-List>
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time for a bidding war lol...
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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| Subject: | Re: Quick SEries 5 dimension check, please? |
41" wide 42" tall not counting butt ribs
Good Luck!
Jim
On 20-Jan-07, at 8:50 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> I need to try to get my Series V airframe between a furnace and
> fixed column and I know it'll be tight. Can somebody please
> measure the width and height at the widest point, near the rear
> spar carry-through?
> Thanks
> Bob
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89084#89084
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sorry guys.........I already pm'ed him............
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
Dave,
You might have misunderstood what I meant. I used 5 MPH as an example
not saying at all you will get that much increase if any. I didn't really
notice any change in speed after installing mine. Just out of curiosity,
how do you measure 1 MPH.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> I really Like Don's prediction is 5 mph gain. I think I lost 1 or 2
> mph
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
GPS,
easieest way to calculate.
ASI just a indication of airspeed, not always to scale but fairly
consistant.
eg -- My ASI reads 105 when my calculated airspeed is about 88 to 90 mph
It seems that my airpseed has slowed 1 or 2 mph with hte larger tires on.
btw i was out a few hour ago and those King Fox tires will get you flying in
8 " of snow
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
> Dave,
> You might have misunderstood what I meant. I used 5 MPH as an example
> not saying at all you will get that much increase if any. I didn't really
> notice any change in speed after installing mine. Just out of curiosity,
> how do you measure 1 MPH.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>> I really Like Don's prediction is 5 mph gain. I think I lost 1 or 2
>> mph
>
>
>
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The rims on the model 1 have the disk screwed to the center hub .
I can remove the welded on pads , if the rims are 6 hole on 4" circle
I will take them !
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Nelson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: rims
DeWayne--
If you are still needing rims, I have a pair from a Model III
which I believe are the same ones used on the Model I. The Parts List
describes the wheels as P/N LW-27R, 8" diam., 6" wide. The hubs, P/N
LHH-14, are included, and have the bearing races, P/N LGBH-18
installed.The wheels do have the Brake Disc mounting pads welded on. If
you can use them I would be happy to send them for $25 plus shipping.
Harold Nelson
Do not arhive
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I have been watching for some of these wheels to come up for sale for a while too.
I have one with a small chunck missing on the outside edge. It seems there
is enough demand for the manufacturer to run a batch.
Tom Jones
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good luck... If you contact Douglas, MAKE SURE you dont tell them they are going
on an aircraft...They do not want the liability in any way, shape, form or fashion.
I guess we need to tell them we are making specialty go-carts with 4 wheel disk
brakes....and tiny axles lol...
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Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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| Subject: | Off topic, Ethanol: Was - Fuel Tank Update |
Count me in on your movement.
I remember hearing about a study done awhile back concluding that it takes more
BTUs of energy to make ethanol form corn than what you get out buring it for
fuel. Some alcohol from corn is fine however, e.g. Wild Turkey. Let's make more
of that.
Brazil has apparently achieved a degree of energy independence by going 100%
ethanol, from sugarcane I think? Alcool para todo mundo!
do not archive
david yeamans <dafox@ckt.net> wrote:
Dave, I'm with you !!!
This is all a political movement, it can't last. if they took all the
corn
in the United States and turned it in to Ethanol, it would only amount to
15 % of the fuel supply. in the mean time there would be no feed for the
live stock, wild animals, birds and etc. and how about corn meal? No
Taco's either, this ain't good
This government for the people is way out of hand..... David
----- Original Message -----
From: crazyivan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know what they are
doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping on the ethanol band wagon,
but I think it's only a matter of time before some hack bureaucrats put the
squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo science.
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
Veddy Calefully??? :-)
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Don Smythe
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:35 AM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
>
>
> Dave,
> You might have misunderstood what I meant. I used 5 MPH
> as an example
> not saying at all you will get that much increase if any. I
> didn't really
> notice any change in speed after installing mine. Just out
> of curiosity,
> how do you measure 1 MPH.
>
> Don Smythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> > I really Like Don's prediction is 5 mph gain. I think I
> lost 1 or 2
> > mph
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Liquid Cooling - advantage ? |
What's snow?? Rain and 10 (C) here today
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:06 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
>
>
> GPS,
>
> easieest way to calculate.
> ASI just a indication of airspeed, not always to scale but fairly
> consistant.
> eg -- My ASI reads 105 when my calculated airspeed is about
> 88 to 90 mph
> It seems that my airpseed has slowed 1 or 2 mph with hte
> larger tires on.
>
> btw i was out a few hour ago and those King Fox tires will
> get you flying in
> 8 " of snow
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Liquid Cooling - advantage ?
>
>
> >
> > Dave,
> > You might have misunderstood what I meant. I used 5 MPH
> as an example
> > not saying at all you will get that much increase if any.
> I didn't really
> > notice any change in speed after installing mine. Just out
> of curiosity,
> > how do you measure 1 MPH.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >> I really Like Don's prediction is 5 mph gain. I think
> I lost 1 or 2
> >> mph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Off topic, Ethanol: Was - Fuel Tank Update |
I know they are putting something tin the ethanol fuel so it can't be
imbibed. what I'm wondering if any good ol' boys from high in the hills
have tried running it through the still yet. Getting rid of the 15% gas
is
easy just add a bit of water to it... the gas will float to the top and
drained off. then run the rest through the still.
makes a darn sight more sense than putting the stuff in the plane....
Who
was it who said booze and flying don't mix??
Kreem, slosh or whatever all I see is make the plane heavier and then
chemically drag the power out of the fuel. Fly while your planes engine
is
corroding from the inside out.
Do not archive
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Off topic, Ethanol: Was - Fuel Tank Update
Count me in on your movement.
I remember hearing about a study done awhile back concluding that it
takes
more BTUs of energy to make ethanol form corn than what you get out
buring
it for fuel. Some alcohol from corn is fine however, e.g. Wild Turkey.
Let's
make more of that.
Brazil has apparently achieved a degree of energy independence by going
100%
ethanol, from sugarcane I think? Alcool para todo mundo!
do not archive
david yeamans <dafox@ckt.net> wrote:
Dave, I'm with you !!!
This is all a political movement, it can't last. if they took
all
the corn
in the United States and turned it in to Ethanol, it would only amount
to
15 % of the fuel supply. in the mean time there would be no feed for
the
live stock, wild animals, birds and etc. and how about corn meal? No
Taco's either, this ain't good
This government for the people is way out of hand..... David
----- Original Message -----
From: crazyivan <mailto:dmivezic@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Tank Update
Ya gotta be a stinking politician or a corn-belt lobbyist to know what
they
are doing to our fuel. Maine has so far resisted jumping on the ethanol
band wagon, but I think it's only a matter of time before some hack
bureaucrats put the squeeze on us to comply with their voodoo science.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912
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Hi there, Has anybody ever designed or built add-on auxiliary fuel tanks? I
have only got a pair of 6 gal fuel tanks and planning a long flight to
Oshkosh this summer and it would be nice to have an extra few gallons of fuel
on
board? Any Idea's out there?
Jim
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Hey Jim,
I brought up this topic recently and suggested I might do the same .
I was thinking of a 5 to 10 gal tank right behind the seat. Also making
a larger baggage compartment as well.
Perhaps make a exterior access door as well.
For the record I have carried 6 Imp Gals behind the seat on occasion
which is about 45 lbs inclding containers. Plus another 30 pounds of
bagger ther as well so I think 10 gal tank against the back of seat
would most likely work out w & B wise.
Definatly a possiblilty.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Sjklerks@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Hi there, Has anybody ever designed or built add-on auxiliary fuel
tanks? I have only got a pair of 6 gal fuel tanks and planning a long
flight to Oshkosh this summer and it would be nice to have an extra few
gallons of fuel on board? Any Idea's out there?
Jim
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You could use a tank strapped to the bottom of the fuselage similar to
the
cargo pod. When you run low of fuel in the wings just pump gas into the
wings through a "T" in the gas line with a hand pump. A similar system
to
this was used by the flying gas cans we used to see passing through here
on
their way to Europe via the Azores. The nice thing is you could remove
the
tank quickly to save carrying excess weight on local flights. It will
probably slow the plane down a bit but gees the 'Fox is going to be slow
anyway.
My plane has a small stowage compartment behind the seat, accessible
from
the outside, rated by the original builder for 50 Lb. I have a hard
time
getting 10Lb survival/first aid kit in it. I also have a small box
mounted
overhead on the right side of the cockpit for very small items... Gas
strainer..plugs and plug wrench etc...
I can carry up to 30Gal U.S. in my float compartments. Only problem is
I
have to land to transfer it to the main tanks.
I think the belly pod idea is best because you can position it right at
the
CG and remove it, when not needed. If you are into spending a winter
working on the wings I'm sure John McBean, Kitfox LLC. will be happy to
provide you with 13 Gal wing tanks.
Another idea is to install two small temporary tanks, similar to those
used
on some small UL, high on the wing struts. you will be able to get
gravity
flow from these tanks but you will need to have shut off valves for them
so
fuel from the main tanks won't cause them to overflow. If mounted high
on
the strut there will be less load on the struts and the fuselage.
To state the obvious... Any of these things could cause the plane to
behave
"differently".
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Hey Jim,
I brought up this topic recently and suggested I might do the same .
I was thinking of a 5 to 10 gal tank right behind the seat. Also making
a
larger baggage compartment as well.
Perhaps make a exterior access door as well.
For the record I have carried 6 Imp Gals behind the seat on occasion
which
is about 45 lbs inclding containers. Plus another 30 pounds of bagger
ther
as well so I think 10 gal tank against the back of seat would most
likely
work out w & B wise.
Definatly a possiblilty.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Sjklerks@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Hi there, Has anybody ever designed or built add-on auxiliary fuel
tanks? I
have only got a pair of 6 gal fuel tanks and planning a long flight to
Oshkosh this summer and it would be nice to have an extra few gallons of
fuel on board? Any Idea's out there?
Jim
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They have football shaped auxiliary tanks that they attach to some
ultralights .
You might be able to attach them to your struts .
----- Original Message -----
From: Sjklerks@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Hi there, Has anybody ever designed or built add-on auxiliary fuel
tanks? I have only got a pair of 6 gal fuel tanks and planning a long
flight to Oshkosh this summer and it would be nice to have an extra few
gallons of fuel on board? Any Idea's out there?
Jim
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