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1. 02:58 AM - Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (dave)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (Lynn Matteson)
3. 04:44 AM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (dave)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Any Foxes For Sale (David Dawe)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:55 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Sjklerks@aol.com)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (dave)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Sjklerks@aol.com)
9. 07:46 AM - TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn (dave)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (kenneth schooley)
11. 08:11 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Sjklerks@aol.com)
12. 08:18 AM - Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn (Lynn Matteson)
13. 08:19 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (dave)
14. 08:22 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Michel Verheughe)
15. 08:27 AM - Ski-building story (Lynn Matteson)
16. 08:30 AM - Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn (dave)
17. 08:32 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Sjklerks@aol.com)
18. 09:21 AM - Re: 912 Throttle Linkage (Michael Gibbs)
19. 09:52 AM - Re: Ski-building story (dave)
20. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: Any Foxes For Sale (Noel Loveys)
21. 10:09 AM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (Noel Loveys)
22. 10:28 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Marco Menezes)
23. 10:30 AM - Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn (Lynn Matteson)
24. 10:31 AM - Snow Forecast Northwest Mich: WasTEMPS + Cabin heat (Marco Menezes)
25. 10:38 AM - Re: Ski-building story (Marco Menezes)
26. 10:45 AM - Re: Ski-building story (Lynn Matteson)
27. 11:02 AM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (Lynn Matteson)
28. 11:08 AM - Re: Snow Forecast Northwest Mich: WasTEMPS + Cabin heat (Lynn Matteson)
29. 11:27 AM - Re: Ski-building story (Lynn Matteson)
30. 01:38 PM - Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn (Noel Loveys)
31. 01:46 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (dave)
32. 01:47 PM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (Noel Loveys)
33. 02:04 PM - Kitfox on March Kitplanes cover (Cory Emberson)
34. 02:58 PM - Inversion: WAS: Wheel Skis... (Michel Verheughe)
35. 03:02 PM - Re: Ski-building story (Michel Verheughe)
36. 03:26 PM - Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test (Cliff Olson)
37. 03:43 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test (Sjklerks@aol.com)
38. 03:45 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test (Don Smythe)
39. 04:16 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test (Lowell Fitt)
40. 04:47 PM - Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY (Lynn Matteson)
41. 05:10 PM - Re: Ski-building story (Lynn Matteson)
42. 05:27 PM - KITFOX Fuel Tanks & ethanol (dave)
43. 07:33 PM - Rotax 582 and Firewall Forward Kit for sale (Terry Hughes)
44. 07:55 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test (Bradley M Webb)
45. 08:08 PM - Re: Snow Forecast Northwest Mich (Marco Menezes)
46. 08:16 PM - Re: Ski-building story (Marco Menezes)
47. 08:21 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (Marco Menezes)
48. 08:34 PM - List Administrator-Please change e-mail (Robert Harris)
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| Subject: | Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything under 500 $
I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his own. by
the Lynn how is your Skis ?
If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$ Most Skis
sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
Dave
Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on ebay.com
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.c
om%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones I
just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not enough
snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But the initial
report is they work just fine for the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in
yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
Lynn
p.s. Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a steal!
On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>
> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything under
> 500 $
>
> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his
> own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>
> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$ Most
> Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>
> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
> ebay.com
>
>
> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
Lynn,
Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a steal!<
btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a flight
............
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones I just
> built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not enough snow here
> yet....I'm going in search of some today. But the initial report is they
> work just fine for the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings
> at 4 different grass strips.
>
> Lynn
> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>
>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>
>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything under 500 $
>>
>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his own. by
>> the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>
>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$ Most Skis
>> sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>
>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on ebay.com
>>
>>
>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>> ============================================================ _-
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>> ===========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Foxes For Sale |
model ll, #321, CFFYY,Atlantic, Canada
homebuilt 1980 TT138
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> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Any Foxes For Sale
> From: dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:26:23 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> A former Model IV Speedster of mine (85KF) will be for sale on Ebay soon. Its
near Knoxville, TN. Around 140TT.....Its a 912 with everything inc, Garmin panel
mount GPS/COM, etc....Flys GREAT!!! He told me Thursday that he was Ebaying
it soon Contact Gary Minor here and tell him Dwayne said that he had a Speedster
for sale:
>
> http://minorsmarine.com/
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89075#89075
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0 or
anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on that
quest and went back to flying. : )
Today I go in search of snow....then football.
Lynn
do not archive
On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn,
>
> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
> steal!<
>
>
> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
> flight ............
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
>
>>
>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones
>> I just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not
>> enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But
>> the initial report is they work just fine for the 1 1/2-2" that I
>> landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
>>
>> Lynn
>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>
>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>> under 500 $
>>>
>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his
>>> own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>
>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>
>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>> ebay.com
>>>
>>>
>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>> ============================================================ _-
>>> forums.matronics.com_-
>>> ===========================================================
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Hi Dave,Noel, and Kem, I was thinking of finding a 12 gal plus fuel tank
that would fit nicely on the passenger seat? Not sure if that would be high
enough to gravity feed the header, if not it could be pumped in I guess? Jim
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Jim,
Could you replace the header tank with just a larger tank behind the
seat ?
Would be a shame to lose a pssenger seat to a fuel tank .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Sjklerks@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Hi Dave,Noel, and Kem, I was thinking of finding a 12 gal plus fuel
tank that would fit nicely on the passenger seat? Not sure if that would
be high enough to gravity feed the header, if not it could be pumped in
I guess? Jim
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There is nobody going to be sitting there? I don't have to worry about c of
g ?
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| Subject: | TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn |
Lynn,
Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
OAT -13 C (9F )
Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about 40 to 45F
increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but still well below
freezing.
Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more degrees to
the cabin.
Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300 FPM at worst
in a 582 . :)
Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test flight.
> I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus something" on the
> OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0 or
> anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on that
> quest and went back to flying. : )
> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn,
>>
>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
>> steal!<
>>
>>
>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a flight
>> ............
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones I
>>> just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not enough
>>> snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But the initial
>>> report is they work just fine for the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in
>>> yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>
>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything under 500
>>>> $
>>>>
>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his own.
>>>> by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>
>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$ Most
>>>> Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>
>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>>> ebay.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>> forums.matronics.com_-
>>>> ===========================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I put a aluminum 9 gal. aux. tank in my Avid. It was purchased at an
off-road supply store for $99, and was light weight. It also had the fill
cap and pipe fittings already welded in. It is built to take rough off
roading and installed easily by attaching it to the tubing already a part of
the fuselage.
It is cyndrical in shape and supprisingly small (for holding nine ga.).
............Ken
>From: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:53:57 -0700
>
>They have football shaped auxiliary tanks that they attach to some
>ultralights .
>You might be able to attach them to your struts .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sjklerks@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> Hi there, Has anybody ever designed or built add-on auxiliary fuel
>tanks? I have only got a pair of 6 gal fuel tanks and planning a long
>flight to Oshkosh this summer and it would be nice to have an extra few
>gallons of fuel on board? Any Idea's out there?
>
> Jim
>
>
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Hi Ken, Where did you attach it? In cargo area? Jim
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| Subject: | Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn |
My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think that is
close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the panel. I was
wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple vest-
type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather than
anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the cabin temp
up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see what it is at
foot level and at other levels within the cabin. I've got to call FSS
and see if they know of any snow levels around lower Lower Michigan.
Richard Rabbers reported pretty much no-snow around Benton Harbor
area, and suggested heading north. I would think that lake effects
snow should be somewhere along Lake Michigan.
Lynn
do not archive
On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
> OAT -13 C (9F )
> Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
> So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about
> 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but
> still well below freezing.
> Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
>
> If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more
> degrees to the cabin.
>
> Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300 FPM
> at worst in a 582 . :)
> Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
> WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
>
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
>
>>
>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
>> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
>> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
>> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0
>> or anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on
>> that quest and went back to flying. : )
>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lynn,
>>>
>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
>>> steal!<
>>>
>>>
>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
>>> flight ............
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
>>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
>>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of
>>>> some today. But the initial report is they work just fine for
>>>> the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4
>>>> different grass strips.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>>>> under 500 $
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
>>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
>>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>>>> ebay.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>>> forums.matronics.com_-
>>>>> ===========================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>
>
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!2 gal tank
http://www.usplastic.com/pdfdatafiles/drawings/8972drawing03-2004.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: Sjklerks@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
There is nobody going to be sitting there? I don't have to worry
about c of g ?
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On Jan 21, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Sjklerks@aol.com wrote:
> There is nobody going to be sitting there? I don't have to worry
> about c of g ?
Now, don't do as Michel Gordillo who flew his Kitfox from Madrid to
Oshkosh, with a fuel tank instead of his right hand seat, until the
Russians wanted him to take a navigator over Siberia! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Ski-building story |
Here's the ski-building story, from my perspective:
I didn't have a tubing notcher, and the cheap one that our EAA
chapter has, had been used without lubing the main shaft, so I drove
about 360 miles roundtrip to buy a heavy duty one, and a tubing
bender. When I got home, my Spruce order of 4130 was there. I had
been battling the flu, so wasn't in the greatest shape to begin
bending right away, so the first practice bend came 6 days later.
Then came building a jig, and that took 3 days. I had to build a
symmetrical jig to build asymmetrical skis, a right and a left, so
that took a little thinking, namely a full scale drawing to help
visualize the thing. My first thought about the jig would have had me
cutting the jig apart to get the first ski out...no wonder these damn
engineers get paid so much money: )
I got the parts all cut, bent, notched, angled, and welded up, and
primered in the next 4 days, then came rigging the cables. I did as
much nicopressing as I could at home in a heated shop before I had to
go and break ice off the hangar door and set up the plane for the
finish rigging. That took the better part of 2 days....getting the
tail up on a stand, alone, for the 5 degree-down setting was a chore
with only 5 gallons in each tank...don't try this with full tanks.
That done, the front cables and shock cords came next. There were
too many angles involved (for me) to simply use trig to figure the
maximum length for the front cables to allow 20-35 (I settled on 25)
down deflection angle. I could do the math for the "flat" angle, but
the skis being 20 inches out from the fuselage meant involving a
secondary angle, and my solid geometry skills got left behind in
college (about the time I left engineering studies for photographic
studies), so I did a simple mockup at home, in the warm, and came up
with the proper length cables. Got the hardware all installed and
took it out for some taxi tests in the 1 1/2-2 inch snow on my
runway. Lotsa strange noises emitted from the combination of frozen
ground, wheel-penetration skis with little tail wheels at the back
end of each ski rolling over frozen mole runs, etc., and the fact
that I hadn't been in the plane for 26 days, all added up to a breath-
holding 20 minutes of thrashing around on the runway....(these noises
diminished when I turned the ANR's on : ) ) I was learning to lift
the tail with power and forward stick, and that was kinda scary at
first, then I got used to doing it and getting the tail turned around
in good shape. I could have and was, turning using only the tail
wheel (no ski back there...yet, or maybe ever) but wanted to learn
turning using the rudder only and stick and power. All went well, so
I did my usual turn in front of the hangar, then decided to go out
again, powered up and went back out...the sky was too full of snow
for actually flying it, so I did some more "weld-breaking tests" then
decided to put it away. All looked good after post-taxi inspection,
so I hangered it. At first I couldn't understand how all the snow got
in the hangar....then I though about that "going back out" again
move...yup, I gotta learn to close the hangar doors before that
maneuver next time.
I made 7 landings at 4 airstrips the next day, all on about 2 inches
or less of snow, so mostly the wheels were doing all the support of
the plane, so the skis themselves were not tested yet...maybe today
if I can locate some snow.
The cost of the materials came to about $439 USD (tubing and plastic=
$284, hardware=$155) the tools that I bought (that I either needed or
WANTED) came to $537, and jigging was a mere $20 or less. My flight
instructor assured me that I would want to double up on the front
cables and shock cords, so that'll add a little more hardware.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn |
Lynn, Damn that working well. And you got it all off a heat muff?
Shall we fire up the pot scrubber topic ? I assume they helped ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn
>
> My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think that is
> close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the panel. I was
> wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple vest-
> type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather than
> anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the cabin temp
> up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see what it is at
> foot level and at other levels within the cabin. I've got to call FSS
> and see if they know of any snow levels around lower Lower Michigan.
> Richard Rabbers reported pretty much no-snow around Benton Harbor
> area, and suggested heading north. I would think that lake effects
> snow should be somewhere along Lake Michigan.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn,
>> Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
>> OAT -13 C (9F )
>> Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
>> So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about
>> 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but
>> still well below freezing.
>> Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
>>
>> If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more
>> degrees to the cabin.
>>
>> Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300 FPM
>> at worst in a 582 . :)
>> Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
>> WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
>>> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
>>> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
>>> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0
>>> or anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on
>>> that quest and went back to flying. : )
>>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>> do not archive
>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lynn,
>>>>
>>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
>>>> steal!<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
>>>> flight ............
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
>>>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
>>>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of
>>>>> some today. But the initial report is they work just fine for
>>>>> the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4
>>>>> different grass strips.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>>>>> under 500 $
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
>>>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
>>>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>>>>> ebay.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>>>> forums.matronics.com_-
>>>>>> ===========================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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That tank would probaly work great. It would fit on the right seat. Just
need a small transfer pump? JIm
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Throttle Linkage |
Lowell asks:
>Has anyone else had what appears to be cable stretch in the throttle linkage?
I had that happen on my IV. The symptom I had was covering most of
the length of the runway at 20 feet with the throttle at idle. She
just wouldn't slow down! Ultimately I pushed it onto the ground
(which wasn't very graceful). If I had been thinking, I'd have just
shut off the ignition... :-)
I was never happy with the original cables I used so I ended up
replacing them with something more sturdy and didn't have any more
trouble.
Mike G.
N728K
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
Good Story Lynn,
I bet you remmber me writing this message . And like i said it not cheap.
That set on EBAY is a Hell of a deal if anyone wants them, here is link .
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item 0068252947&fromMakeTrack=true
DAve
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis for Kitfox's
>
> yes 3600 out of my pocket book for a Kitfox.
> There are some manufactures that make them for about 1500 for challengers
> but a Kitfox is a bit heavier and those are straight skis. I think 1000
> $ would be a very fair price for a pair of 4130 wheel skis. I have
> straight skis now and when I get my 21 iuch tires from Jim, perhaps i
> should make a set that would accommadate others? I have 16 inch golf cart
> style tires now so I do not think that that would e a common size tire/ski
> combo?
>
> Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski-building story
>
> Here's the ski-building story, from my perspective:
>
> I didn't have a tubing notcher, and the cheap one that our EAA chapter
> has, had been used without lubing the main shaft, so I drove about 360
> miles roundtrip to buy a heavy duty one, and a tubing bender. When I got
> home, my Spruce order of 4130 was there. I had been battling the flu, so
> wasn't in the greatest shape to begin bending right away, so the first
> practice bend came 6 days later. Then came building a jig, and that took
> 3 days. I had to build a symmetrical jig to build asymmetrical skis, a
> right and a left, so that took a little thinking, namely a full scale
> drawing to help visualize the thing. My first thought about the jig would
> have had me cutting the jig apart to get the first ski out...no wonder
> these damn engineers get paid so much money: )
>
> I got the parts all cut, bent, notched, angled, and welded up, and
> primered in the next 4 days, then came rigging the cables. I did as much
> nicopressing as I could at home in a heated shop before I had to go and
> break ice off the hangar door and set up the plane for the finish
> rigging. That took the better part of 2 days....getting the tail up on a
> stand, alone, for the 5 degree-down setting was a chore with only 5
> gallons in each tank...don't try this with full tanks. That done, the
> front cables and shock cords came next. There were too many angles
> involved (for me) to simply use trig to figure the maximum length for the
> front cables to allow 20-35 (I settled on 25) down deflection angle. I
> could do the math for the "flat" angle, but the skis being 20 inches out
> from the fuselage meant involving a secondary angle, and my solid
> geometry skills got left behind in college (about the time I left
> engineering studies for photographic studies), so I did a simple mockup
> at home, in the warm, and came up with the proper length cables. Got the
> hardware all installed and took it out for some taxi tests in the 1 1/2-2
> inch snow on my runway. Lotsa strange noises emitted from the combination
> of frozen ground, wheel-penetration skis with little tail wheels at the
> back end of each ski rolling over frozen mole runs, etc., and the fact
> that I hadn't been in the plane for 26 days, all added up to a breath-
> holding 20 minutes of thrashing around on the runway....(these noises
> diminished when I turned the ANR's on : ) ) I was learning to lift the
> tail with power and forward stick, and that was kinda scary at first,
> then I got used to doing it and getting the tail turned around in good
> shape. I could have and was, turning using only the tail wheel (no ski
> back there...yet, or maybe ever) but wanted to learn turning using the
> rudder only and stick and power. All went well, so I did my usual turn in
> front of the hangar, then decided to go out again, powered up and went
> back out...the sky was too full of snow for actually flying it, so I did
> some more "weld-breaking tests" then decided to put it away. All looked
> good after post-taxi inspection, so I hangered it. At first I couldn't
> understand how all the snow got in the hangar....then I though about that
> "going back out" again move...yup, I gotta learn to close the hangar
> doors before that maneuver next time.
> I made 7 landings at 4 airstrips the next day, all on about 2 inches or
> less of snow, so mostly the wheels were doing all the support of the
> plane, so the skis themselves were not tested yet...maybe today if I can
> locate some snow.
>
> The cost of the materials came to about $439 USD (tubing and plastic=
> $284, hardware=$155) the tools that I bought (that I either needed or
> WANTED) came to $537, and jigging was a mere $20 or less. My flight
> instructor assured me that I would want to double up on the front cables
> and shock cords, so that'll add a little more hardware.
>
> Lynn
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Foxes For Sale |
Dave didn't you do a fair amount of work on your plane since the time I saw
it? Still living on Dawes Ln?
TC fooled me up last year with a requirement for a float endorsement. Now
that is straightened out I hope to really put some hours on this summer.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> David Dawe
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:28 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Any Foxes For Sale
>
>
>
>
> model ll, #321, CFFYY,Atlantic, Canada
> homebuilt 1980 TT138
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Any Foxes For Sale
> > From: dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:26:23 -0800
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> <dwaynemccourt@yahoo.com>
> >
> > A former Model IV Speedster of mine (85KF) will be for sale
> on Ebay soon. Its near Knoxville, TN. Around 140TT.....Its a
> 912 with everything inc, Garmin panel mount GPS/COM,
> etc....Flys GREAT!!! He told me Thursday that he was
> Ebaying it soon Contact Gary Minor here and tell him Dwayne
> said that he had a Speedster for sale:
> >
> > http://minorsmarine.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89075#89075
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
Found a temperature inversion Eh? When you hit freezing rain in one of
those things you have to climb. Feels like leaning into a left hook! :-)
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
>
>
> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0 or
> anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on that
> quest and went back to flying. : )
> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn,
> >
> > Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
> > steal!<
> >
> >
> > btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
> > flight ............
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones
> >> I just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not
> >> enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But
> >> the initial report is they work just fine for the 1
> 1/2-2" that I
> >> landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
> >>
> >>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
> >>>
> >>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
> >>> under 500 $
> >>>
> >>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his
> >>> own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
> >>>
> >>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
> >>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
> >>>
> >>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
> >>> ebay.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
> >>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
> >>> ============================================================ _-
> >>> forums.matronics.com_-
> >>> ===========================================================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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Are you using this tank Dave? If so, how'd you install it?
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
!2 gal tank
http://www.usplastic.com/pdfdatafiles/drawings/8972drawing03-2004.pdf
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From: Sjklerks@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
There is nobody going to be sitting there? I don't have to worry about c of
g ?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
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| Subject: | Re: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn |
Oh no, not the dreaded pot scrubbers again! Actually, I had taken
about 2/3's of the PS's out of the heat muffs....I figured I must
have stuffed 'em too full, as I wasn't getting the air flow that I
thought I should be getting. Along with stuffing them too full, I
also had originally installed some rigid aluminum baffles inside the
heat muffs, and I removed those as well. Taking some out seemed to
help, but the air flow is still pretty low. I might have too many
180's in my scat hoses. : )
Now remember that the 61 F was only the unit temp of the EIS, and
that may be elevated by the heat of the electronics inside the EIS
box. Somebody else that knows electronics, specifically this unit,
might be able to answer that one.
Lynn
On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:30 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn, Damn that working well. And you got it all off a heat muff?
> Shall we fire up the pot scrubber topic ? I assume they helped ?
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn
>
>> My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think that is
>> close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the panel. I was
>> wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple
>> vest- type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather
>> than anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the
>> cabin temp up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see
>> what it is at foot level and at other levels within the cabin.
>> I've got to call FSS and see if they know of any snow levels
>> around lower Lower Michigan. Richard Rabbers reported pretty much
>> no-snow around Benton Harbor area, and suggested heading north. I
>> would think that lake effects snow should be somewhere along Lake
>> Michigan.
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
>>>
>>> Lynn,
>>> Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
>>> OAT -13 C (9F )
>>> Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
>>> So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps
>>> about 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling
>>> but still well below freezing.
>>> Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
>>>
>>> If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more
>>> degrees to the cabin.
>>>
>>> Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300
>>> FPM at worst in a 582 . :)
>>> Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
>>> WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski
>>>> test flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a
>>>> "minus something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....
>>>> 4000'...10F..... 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I
>>>> wasn't gonna see 0 or anything close to it unless I went
>>>> submarining, so I gave up on that quest and went back to
>>>> flying. : )
>>>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>> do not archive
>>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn,
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is
>>>>> a steal!<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
>>>>> flight ............
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on
>>>>> EBAY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
>>>>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
>>>>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search
>>>>>> of some today. But the initial report is they work just fine
>>>>>> for the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at
>>>>>> 4 different grass strips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>>>>>> under 500 $
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
>>>>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500
>>>>>>> $ Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX "
>>>>>>> on ebay.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>> _- forums.matronics.com_-
>>>>>>> ===========================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Snow Forecast Northwest Mich: WasTEMPS + Cabin heat |
Snowing like crazy today up here in Osceola County, Lynn. I did some x-c skiing
yesterday and there was a base of 6-8". With today's snow, I think your skis
would put you down most anywhere.
do not archive
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think that is
close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the panel. I was
wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple vest-
type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather than
anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the cabin temp
up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see what it is at
foot level and at other levels within the cabin. I've got to call FSS
and see if they know of any snow levels around lower Lower Michigan.
Richard Rabbers reported pretty much no-snow around Benton Harbor
area, and suggested heading north. I would think that lake effects
snow should be somewhere along Lake Michigan.
Lynn
do not archive
On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
> OAT -13 C (9F )
> Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
> So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about
> 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but
> still well below freezing.
> Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
>
> If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more
> degrees to the cabin.
>
> Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300 FPM
> at worst in a 582 . :)
> Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
> WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
>
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
>
>>
>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
>> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
>> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
>> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0
>> or anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on
>> that quest and went back to flying. : )
>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lynn,
>>>
>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
>>> steal!<
>>>
>>>
>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
>>> flight ............
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
>>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
>>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of
>>>> some today. But the initial report is they work just fine for
>>>> the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4
>>>> different grass strips.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>>>> under 500 $
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
>>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
>>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>>>> ebay.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>>> forums.matronics.com_-
>>>>> ===========================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
Great story Lynn. Now that you're all set up and experienced . . . how about knocking
off a few more pairs? :-)
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Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
Here's the ski-building story, from my perspective:
I didn't have a tubing notcher, and the cheap one that our EAA
chapter has, had been used without lubing the main shaft, so I drove
about 360 miles roundtrip to buy a heavy duty one, and a tubing
bender. When I got home, my Spruce order of 4130 was there. I had
been battling the flu, so wasn't in the greatest shape to begin
bending right away, so the first practice bend came 6 days later.
Then came building a jig, and that took 3 days. I had to build a
symmetrical jig to build asymmetrical skis, a right and a left, so
that took a little thinking, namely a full scale drawing to help
visualize the thing. My first thought about the jig would have had me
cutting the jig apart to get the first ski out...no wonder these damn
engineers get paid so much money: )
I got the parts all cut, bent, notched, angled, and welded up, and
primered in the next 4 days, then came rigging the cables. I did as
much nicopressing as I could at home in a heated shop before I had to
go and break ice off the hangar door and set up the plane for the
finish rigging. That took the better part of 2 days....getting the
tail up on a stand, alone, for the 5 degree-down setting was a chore
with only 5 gallons in each tank...don't try this with full tanks.
That done, the front cables and shock cords came next. There were
too many angles involved (for me) to simply use trig to figure the
maximum length for the front cables to allow 20-35 (I settled on 25)
down deflection angle. I could do the math for the "flat" angle, but
the skis being 20 inches out from the fuselage meant involving a
secondary angle, and my solid geometry skills got left behind in
college (about the time I left engineering studies for photographic
studies), so I did a simple mockup at home, in the warm, and came up
with the proper length cables. Got the hardware all installed and
took it out for some taxi tests in the 1 1/2-2 inch snow on my
runway. Lotsa strange noises emitted from the combination of frozen
ground, wheel-penetration skis with little tail wheels at the back
end of each ski rolling over frozen mole runs, etc., and the fact
that I hadn't been in the plane for 26 days, all added up to a breath-
holding 20 minutes of thrashing around on the runway....(these noises
diminished when I turned the ANR's on : ) ) I was learning to lift
the tail with power and forward stick, and that was kinda scary at
first, then I got used to doing it and getting the tail turned around
in good shape. I could have and was, turning using only the tail
wheel (no ski back there...yet, or maybe ever) but wanted to learn
turning using the rudder only and stick and power. All went well, so
I did my usual turn in front of the hangar, then decided to go out
again, powered up and went back out...the sky was too full of snow
for actually flying it, so I did some more "weld-breaking tests" then
decided to put it away. All looked good after post-taxi inspection,
so I hangered it. At first I couldn't understand how all the snow got
in the hangar....then I though about that "going back out" again
move...yup, I gotta learn to close the hangar doors before that
maneuver next time.
I made 7 landings at 4 airstrips the next day, all on about 2 inches
or less of snow, so mostly the wheels were doing all the support of
the plane, so the skis themselves were not tested yet...maybe today
if I can locate some snow.
The cost of the materials came to about $439 USD (tubing and plastic=
$284, hardware=$155) the tools that I bought (that I either needed or
WANTED) came to $537, and jigging was a mere $20 or less. My flight
instructor assured me that I would want to double up on the front
cables and shock cords, so that'll add a little more hardware.
Lynn
Marco Menezes
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
God, those look VERY similar to what I just built...and they are less
than 200 miles from me, up near Grand Rapids. Somebody better jump on
those for the price that is showing now. I have never done any Ebay
purchasing, but maybe I'd better learn....that is SUCH a good deal
for those skis.
Lynn
On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:50 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Good Story Lynn,
>
> I bet you remmber me writing this message . And like i said it not
> cheap.
>
> That set on EBAY is a Hell of a deal if anyone wants them, here
> is link .
>
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item 0068252947&fromMakeTrack=true
>
> DAve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Skis for Kitfox's
>
>
>>
>> yes 3600 out of my pocket book for a Kitfox.
>> There are some manufactures that make them for about 1500 for
>> challengers but a Kitfox is a bit heavier and those are straight
>> skis. I think 1000 $ would be a very fair price for a pair of
>> 4130 wheel skis. I have straight skis now and when I get my 21
>> iuch tires from Jim, perhaps i should make a set that would
>> accommadate others? I have 16 inch golf cart style tires now so I
>> do not think that that would e a common size tire/ski combo?
>>
>> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:28 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski-building story
>
>
>>
>> Here's the ski-building story, from my perspective:
>>
>> I didn't have a tubing notcher, and the cheap one that our EAA
>> chapter has, had been used without lubing the main shaft, so I
>> drove about 360 miles roundtrip to buy a heavy duty one, and a
>> tubing bender. When I got home, my Spruce order of 4130 was
>> there. I had been battling the flu, so wasn't in the greatest
>> shape to begin bending right away, so the first practice bend
>> came 6 days later. Then came building a jig, and that took 3
>> days. I had to build a symmetrical jig to build asymmetrical
>> skis, a right and a left, so that took a little thinking, namely
>> a full scale drawing to help visualize the thing. My first
>> thought about the jig would have had me cutting the jig apart to
>> get the first ski out...no wonder these damn engineers get paid
>> so much money: )
>>
>> I got the parts all cut, bent, notched, angled, and welded up, and
>> primered in the next 4 days, then came rigging the cables. I did
>> as much nicopressing as I could at home in a heated shop before I
>> had to go and break ice off the hangar door and set up the plane
>> for the finish rigging. That took the better part of 2
>> days....getting the tail up on a stand, alone, for the 5 degree-
>> down setting was a chore with only 5 gallons in each tank...don't
>> try this with full tanks. That done, the front cables and shock
>> cords came next. There were too many angles involved (for me) to
>> simply use trig to figure the maximum length for the front cables
>> to allow 20-35 (I settled on 25) down deflection angle. I could
>> do the math for the "flat" angle, but the skis being 20 inches
>> out from the fuselage meant involving a secondary angle, and my
>> solid geometry skills got left behind in college (about the time
>> I left engineering studies for photographic studies), so I did a
>> simple mockup at home, in the warm, and came up with the proper
>> length cables. Got the hardware all installed and took it out for
>> some taxi tests in the 1 1/2-2 inch snow on my runway. Lotsa
>> strange noises emitted from the combination of frozen ground,
>> wheel-penetration skis with little tail wheels at the back end of
>> each ski rolling over frozen mole runs, etc., and the fact that I
>> hadn't been in the plane for 26 days, all added up to a breath-
>> holding 20 minutes of thrashing around on the runway....(these
>> noises diminished when I turned the ANR's on : ) ) I was learning
>> to lift the tail with power and forward stick, and that was kinda
>> scary at first, then I got used to doing it and getting the tail
>> turned around in good shape. I could have and was, turning using
>> only the tail wheel (no ski back there...yet, or maybe ever) but
>> wanted to learn turning using the rudder only and stick and
>> power. All went well, so I did my usual turn in front of the
>> hangar, then decided to go out again, powered up and went back
>> out...the sky was too full of snow for actually flying it, so I
>> did some more "weld-breaking tests" then decided to put it away.
>> All looked good after post-taxi inspection, so I hangered it. At
>> first I couldn't understand how all the snow got in the
>> hangar....then I though about that "going back out" again
>> move...yup, I gotta learn to close the hangar doors before that
>> maneuver next time.
>> I made 7 landings at 4 airstrips the next day, all on about 2
>> inches or less of snow, so mostly the wheels were doing all the
>> support of the plane, so the skis themselves were not tested
>> yet...maybe today if I can locate some snow.
>>
>> The cost of the materials came to about $439 USD (tubing and
>> plastic= $284, hardware=$155) the tools that I bought (that I
>> either needed or WANTED) came to $537, and jigging was a mere $20
>> or less. My flight instructor assured me that I would want to
>> double up on the front cables and shock cords, so that'll add a
>> little more hardware.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
The last 3 or 4 times that I've tried to climb to lower temps, I have
run into a temp inversion...really strange to me. Is this normal? I
know about the 3 degrees F loss for each 1000' altitude, but lately I
haven't seen it...yesterday it was about the opposite.
Lynn
On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Found a temperature inversion Eh? When you hit freezing rain in
> one of
> those things you have to climb. Feels like leaning into a left
> hook! :-)
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:01 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>
>>
>>
>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
>> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
>> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
>> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0 or
>> anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on that
>> quest and went back to flying. : )
>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lynn,
>>>
>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
>>> steal!<
>>>
>>>
>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
>>> flight ............
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones
>>>> I just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not
>>>> enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But
>>>> the initial report is they work just fine for the 1
>> 1/2-2" that I
>>>> landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>>>> under 500 $
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his
>>>>> own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
>>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>>>> ebay.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
>>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>>> forums.matronics.com_-
>>>>> ===========================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Forecast Northwest Mich: WasTEMPS + Cabin heat |
I was going to ask you about that possibility, Marco, but I wouldn't
have got an answer back in time to go anyplace today. I called
Lansing FSS, and they advised against going anywhere today, as snow
was coming in. Right now it's just a sleet-like snow coming down,
with VERY slow accumulation. Got any possible good strips up around
you that are turf, marked well, and not all criss-crossed with
snowmobiles?
Lynn
do not archive
On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Snowing like crazy today up here in Osceola County, Lynn. I did
> some x-c skiing yesterday and there was a base of 6-8". With
> today's snow, I think your skis would put you down most anywhere.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think that is
> close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the panel. I was
> wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple vest-
> type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather than
> anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the cabin temp
> up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see what it is at
> foot level and at other levels within the cabin. I've got to call FSS
> and see if they know of any snow levels around lower Lower Michigan.
> Richard Rabbers reported pretty much no-snow around Benton Harbor
> area, and suggested heading north. I would think that lake effects
> snow should be somewhere along Lake Michigan.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn,
> > Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
> > OAT -13 C (9F )
> > Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
> > So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about
> > 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but
> > still well below freezing.
> > Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
> >
> > If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more
> > degrees to the cabin.
> >
> > Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300 FPM
> > at worst in a 582 . :)
> > Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
> > WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
> >> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
> >> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
> >> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0
> >> or anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on
> >> that quest and went back to flying. : )
> >> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >> do not archive
> >> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Lynn,
> >>>
> >>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
> >>> steal!<
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
> >>> flight ............
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> >>>
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on
> EBAY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
> >>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
> >>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of
> >>>> some today. But the initial report is they work just fine for
> >>>> the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4
> >>>> different grass strips.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
> >>>>> under 500 $
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
> >>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
> >>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
> >>>>> ebay.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
> >>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
> >>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
Not a bad idea, but the lawyer cost would be prohibitive, I'm sure.
The problem with mine is that they are designed around my 16x7.50x 8
tires. The ones on eBay right now are for taller tires, and narrower.
I could adjust a few things in the jig I suppose...hmmm...still that
liability thing, though.
One more thing about gathering the materials for the skis...not
knowing what would work best, I ordered 1/4" and 5/16" shock cord,
already having some 3/8" on hand from my pre-Grove gear days. To my
dismay, I found that the 1/4" was stronger than the 5/16". I ended up
using the 3/8" cord and Spruce's end fasteners.
Oh yeah, mine weigh about 13 pounds each and have 1/4" thick UHMW
polyethylene bottoms/shoes...so far no snow sticks to them, and very
little piles up on top of the part behind the wheel. That may be due
to having not much snow to test them on.
Lynn
On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Great story Lynn. Now that you're all set up and experienced . . .
> how about knocking off a few more pairs? :-)
>
>
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| Subject: | TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn |
Unless your EIS was installed in the Merrimac I doubt it would generate
enough heat to be noticed. At one time the used to have small heat stoves
in electronic circuits to keep frequency crystals consistent. Even those
have all but gone.
I is more probable that the display light will give off more heat than the
EIS box. The new wide screen plasma television screens give off lots of
heat.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:02 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn
>
>
>
> Oh no, not the dreaded pot scrubbers again! Actually, I had taken
> about 2/3's of the PS's out of the heat muffs....I figured I must
> have stuffed 'em too full, as I wasn't getting the air flow that I
> thought I should be getting. Along with stuffing them too full, I
> also had originally installed some rigid aluminum baffles inside the
> heat muffs, and I removed those as well. Taking some out seemed to
> help, but the air flow is still pretty low. I might have too many
> 180's in my scat hoses. : )
> Now remember that the 61 F was only the unit temp of the EIS, and
> that may be elevated by the heat of the electronics inside the EIS
> box. Somebody else that knows electronics, specifically this unit,
> might be able to answer that one.
>
> Lynn
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:30 AM, dave wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn, Damn that working well. And you got it all off a heat muff?
> > Shall we fire up the pot scrubber topic ? I assume they helped ?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: TEMPS + Cabin heat - lynn
> >
> >> My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think
> that is
> >> close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the
> panel. I was
> >> wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple
> >> vest- type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather
> >> than anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the
> >> cabin temp up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see
> >> what it is at foot level and at other levels within the cabin.
> >> I've got to call FSS and see if they know of any snow levels
> >> around lower Lower Michigan. Richard Rabbers reported
> pretty much
> >> no-snow around Benton Harbor area, and suggested heading
> north. I
> >> would think that lake effects snow should be somewhere
> along Lake
> >> Michigan.
> >> Lynn
> >> do not archive
> >> On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Lynn,
> >>> Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
> >>> OAT -13 C (9F )
> >>> Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
> >>> So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps
> >>> about 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone
> chilling
> >>> but still well below freezing.
> >>> Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
> >>>
> >>> If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a
> few more
> >>> degrees to the cabin.
> >>>
> >>> Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300
> >>> FPM at worst in a 582 . :)
> >>> Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
> >>> WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> >>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox
> parts on EBAY
> >>>
> >>>
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski
> >>>> test flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a
> >>>> "minus something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....
> >>>> 4000'...10F..... 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that
> point I
> >>>> wasn't gonna see 0 or anything close to it unless I went
> >>>> submarining, so I gave up on that quest and went back to
> >>>> flying. : )
> >>>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>> do not archive
> >>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lynn,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under
> $500 is
> >>>>> a steal!<
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon
> for a
> >>>>> flight ............
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> >>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on
> >>>>> EBAY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
> >>>>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
> >>>>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search
> >>>>>> of some today. But the initial report is they work
> just fine
> >>>>>> for the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at
> >>>>>> 4 different grass strips.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lynn
> >>>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal
> anything
> >>>>>>> under 500 $
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
> >>>>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500
> >>>>>>> $ Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX "
> >>>>>>> on ebay.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
> >>>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
> >>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-
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> >>>>>>> ===========================================================
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Marco,
No but I am looking to put a tank right behind the seat.
I have 2 6 gal wing tanks now and a 8.5 gal front tank and another 10
gals would be nice when on floats and remote.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Are you using this tank Dave? If so, how'd you install it?
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
!2 gal tank
http://www.usplastic.com/pdfdatafiles/drawings/8972drawing03-2004.pdf
----- Original Message -----
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
There is nobody going to be sitting there? I don't have to worry
about c of g ?
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| Subject: | Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
BTW freezing rain is a good indicator of a temperature inversion.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>
>
>
> The last 3 or 4 times that I've tried to climb to lower
> temps, I have
> run into a temp inversion...really strange to me. Is this normal? I
> know about the 3 degrees F loss for each 1000' altitude, but
> lately I
> haven't seen it...yesterday it was about the opposite.
>
> Lynn
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > Found a temperature inversion Eh? When you hit freezing rain in
> > one of
> > those things you have to climb. Feels like leaning into a left
> > hook! :-)
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Lynn Matteson
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:01 AM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
> >> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
> >> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
> >> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't
> gonna see 0 or
> >> anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave
> up on that
> >> quest and went back to flying. : )
> >> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >> do not archive
> >> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Lynn,
> >>>
> >>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
> >>> steal!<
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
> >>> flight ............
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> >> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox
> parts on EBAY
> >>>
> >>>
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones
> >>>> I just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not
> >>>> enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But
> >>>> the initial report is they work just fine for the 1
> >> 1/2-2" that I
> >>>> landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
> >>>>> under 500 $
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his
> >>>>> own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
> >>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
> >>>>> ebay.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
> >>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
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| Subject: | Kitfox on March Kitplanes cover |
Heloo John, Debra and Kitfoxers!
I just received my March copy of Kitplanes magazine, and was pleased to
see that the Kitfox SuperSport has claimed the cover. Ed Wischmeyer did
a terrific job on the review... be on the lookout. :-)
best,
Cory Emberson
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| Subject: | Inversion: WAS: Wheel Skis... |
Lynn wrote:
> The last 3 or 4 times that I've tried to climb to lower
> temps, I have run into a temp inversion...really strange to me. Is
> this normal? I
> know about the 3 degrees F loss for each 1000' altitude, but
> lately I haven't seen it...yesterday it was about the opposite.
It is extremely common in my country, Lynn. During the winter, if
there isn't much convective wind, like under a high pressure, the cold
air runs down the mountains and stays in the valleys where, usually,
the airfields are. Climb up, and you'll meet warmer air.
In places like Greenland, it also causes strong winds called katabatic
winds. In Norway, it mostly creates freezing fog in the valleys. I once
observed such a fog flowing down a fjord, like a big stream. It was
very impressive and moved relatively fast.
Noel, yes freezing rain would be a sign of an inversion, i.e. warmer
air above colder air. But this kind is mostly met when a cold front is
passing.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Here's the ski-building story, from my perspective:
Thanks for the report and good luck with your ski flying, Lynn. My
experience is that the wheel penetrating skis with the little wheels
behind, makes it easier to prevent a ground loop as it provides a
better directional control.
So, watch it when the snow is gone and you have removed the skis! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test |
Hey guys thanks for the input on the fiberglass tanks,I've decided I'll
buy new tanks from John at Kitfox.I did talk to one more kitfox owner
off the list who has the Skystar 13 gal factory Kreem coated tanks and
after more then eight years with auto fuel no problems.Now for you auto
fuel burners like me I did the EAA glass jar watermark test today and
what a surprise.In 1998 I did this test and the winners
were.Amoco,Marathon,Mobile,Union 76.The worse was Sonoco.Today here in
Carleton,Mi I tested Mobile,Marathon,BP,Shell,Speedway,Citco.Only Mobile
remained clear fuel and clear water with no rise in the water mark hands
down my choice for fuel.Shell comes in my next choice,clear fuel but
cloudy water no rise,my old favorite Marathon fuel turned cloudy,the
water turned cloudy no rise in water.Speedway not so good,cloudy fuel,
very cloudy water.BP didn't do so well,cloudy fuel and water and the
water mark rose very slightly.The fuel from south America was bad,Citco
fuel was cloudy,the water was very cloudy,and the water mark rose
noticably.Fly safe Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test |
If anybody flying in ontario canada shell's high test (V power) Will NOT
contain any alcohol
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test |
Cliff,
This is what I call an informative post. It has research, fact's,
and good information that we might all use. It might even give that
little boost for each of us to check our local fuels.
Good Job
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Olson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test
Hey guys thanks for the input on the fiberglass tanks,I've decided
I'll buy new tanks from John at Kitfox.I did talk to one more kitfox
owner off the list who has the Skystar 13 gal factory Kreem coated tanks
and after more then eight years with auto fuel no problems.Now for you
auto fuel burners like me I did the EAA glass jar watermark test today
and what a surprise.In 1998 I did this test and the winners
were.Amoco,Marathon,Mobile,Union 76.The worse was Sonoco.Today here in
Carleton,Mi I tested Mobile,Marathon,BP,Shell,Speedway,Citco.Only Mobile
remained clear fuel and clear water with no rise in the water mark hands
down my choice for fuel.Shell comes in my next choice,clear fuel but
cloudy water no rise,my old favorite Marathon fuel turned cloudy,the
water turned cloudy no rise in water.Speedway not so good,cloudy fuel,
very cloudy water.BP didn't do so well,cloudy fuel and water and the
water mark rose very slightly.The fuel from south America was bad,Citco
fuel was cloudy,the water was very cloudy,and the water mark rose
noticably.Fly safe Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test |
Thanks Cliff for the report.
Lowell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Olson" <colsonj@provide.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test
Hey guys thanks for the input on the fiberglass tanks,I've decided I'll buy
new tanks from John at Kitfox.I did talk to one more kitfox owner off the
list who has the Skystar 13 gal factory Kreem coated tanks and after more
then eight years with auto fuel no problems.Now for you auto fuel burners
like me I did the EAA glass jar watermark test today and what a surprise.In
1998 I did this test and the winners were.Amoco,Marathon,Mobile,Union 76.The
worse was Sonoco.Today here in Carleton,Mi I tested
Mobile,Marathon,BP,Shell,Speedway,Citco.Only Mobile remained clear fuel and
clear water with no rise in the water mark hands down my choice for
fuel.Shell comes in my next choice,clear fuel but cloudy water no rise,my
old favorite Marathon fuel turned cloudy,the water turned cloudy no rise in
water.Speedway not so good,cloudy fuel, very cloudy water.BP didn't do so
well,cloudy fuel and water and the water mark rose very slightly.The fuel
from south America was bad,Citco fuel was cloudy,the water was very
cloudy,and the water mark rose noticably.Fly safe Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY |
Yeah, I kinda figured that out today when it was 25 F and almost
raining. I got to thinking 'how can this be?' then I recalled
yesterday when it was warmer "up there" than "down here."
Lynn
On Jan 21, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> BTW freezing rain is a good indicator of a temperature inversion.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:34 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>
>>
>>
>> The last 3 or 4 times that I've tried to climb to lower
>> temps, I have
>> run into a temp inversion...really strange to me. Is this normal? I
>> know about the 3 degrees F loss for each 1000' altitude, but
>> lately I
>> haven't seen it...yesterday it was about the opposite.
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>>
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>>
>>> Found a temperature inversion Eh? When you hit freezing rain in
>>> one of
>>> those things you have to climb. Feels like leaning into a left
>>> hook! :-)
>>>
>>> Noel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:01 AM
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
>>>> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
>>>> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
>>>> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't
>> gonna see 0 or
>>>> anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave
>> up on that
>>>> quest and went back to flying. : )
>>>> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>> do not archive
>>>> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn,
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
>>>>> steal!<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
>>>>> flight ............
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox
>> parts on EBAY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the ones
>>>>>> I just built and just flew for the first time yesterday...not
>>>>>> enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of some today. But
>>>>>> the initial report is they work just fine for the 1
>>>> 1/2-2" that I
>>>>>> landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4 different grass strips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
>>>>>>> under 500 $
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make his
>>>>>>> own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
>>>>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
>>>>>>> ebay.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
>>>>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
Ya mean I gotta take 'em OFF? : ) I just figured I'd keep moving
north until it stayed snowy all the time....sorry, I think I've been
reading too many bush pilot books.
Lynn
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On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Here's the ski-building story, from my perspective:
>
> Thanks for the report and good luck with your ski flying, Lynn. My
> experience is that the wheel penetrating skis with the little
> wheels behind, makes it easier to prevent a ground loop as it
> provides a better directional control.
> So, watch it when the snow is gone and you have removed the skis! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | KITFOX Fuel Tanks & ethanol |
Don,
I checked with our local fuel suppliers here a few weeks ago and they
told me that Sunoco in Ontario is the only one that has ethanol gas. I
don't buy Sunoco anyhow, but If I needed gas I would.
I have yet to see it marked on any pump either .....YET.
Regardless of the fear - who has actually had a problem from ethanol
gas. ? I have heard of it but not seen peronally.
So I can say that on 2006 alone I used over 1200 US gals of gas in My
kitfox and tanks not leak yet. Although I might be eating those words
though anyday.
I am not a supporter of ethanol but I am a supporter in buying gas. I
will not limit my self to only buying one kind of gas because of
speculation. If you fly anywhere and need gas ,especially on floats
then you must learn to adapt or not fly anymore.
If and when my tanks fail, then I will replace them with what ever I
need.
Everyone can talk and test but how many Kitfoxes have had a issue with
this so far ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test
Cliff,
This is what I call an informative post. It has research, fact's,
and good information that we might all use. It might even give that
little boost for each of us to check our local fuels.
Good Job
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Olson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test
Hey guys thanks for the input on the fiberglass tanks,I've decided
I'll buy new tanks from John at Kitfox.I did talk to one more kitfox
owner off the list who has the Skystar 13 gal factory Kreem coated tanks
and after more then eight years with auto fuel no problems.Now for you
auto fuel burners like me I did the EAA glass jar watermark test today
and what a surprise.In 1998 I did this test and the winners
were.Amoco,Marathon,Mobile,Union 76.The worse was Sonoco.Today here in
Carleton,Mi I tested Mobile,Marathon,BP,Shell,Speedway,Citco.Only Mobile
remained clear fuel and clear water with no rise in the water mark hands
down my choice for fuel.Shell comes in my next choice,clear fuel but
cloudy water no rise,my old favorite Marathon fuel turned cloudy,the
water turned cloudy no rise in water.Speedway not so good,cloudy fuel,
very cloudy water.BP didn't do so well,cloudy fuel and water and the
water mark rose very slightly.The fuel from south America was bad,Citco
fuel was cloudy,the water was very cloudy,and the water mark rose
noticably.Fly safe Cliff
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 and Firewall Forward Kit for sale |
I have a used Rotax 582 and Kitfox Classic IV Firewall Forward Kit for sale, for
$3000. This includes:
- Rotax 582 grey-head with about 510 hours
- Firewall Forward Kit for Kitfox Classic IV
- GSC 3-bladed ground-adjustable wood prop
- Grand Rapids technology EIS, with altimeter option, and all probes
- Misc carb jets and other odds-n-ends
I purchased the engine used in 1998 with approximately 400 hours on it. It had
never been overhauled. I stored the engine until 2003, when it was overhauled,
and updates applied, by Lockwood. I installed it in my Kitfox IV and flew it
for about a year and half, for another 110 hours. I took it out of service about
one year ago and replaced it with a 912S. I was considering keeping the engine
for another project, but have now decided to sell it.
The engine is in need of service. Approximately 10 hours before replacing the
engine it began running rough and lost about 10% of its max power. I believe
the engine experienced a cold seizure and may require overhaul (or attention from
someone more adept at 2-stroke engine maintenance than I am).
The firewall forward kit includes all major components: firewall, cowl, engine
mount, exhaust, cooling system, etc.
I prefer to sell all components together, but I'll sell them separately if I
don't get any takers on the whole package.
Terry Hughes
Kitfox Classic IV/912S
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test |
The EAA is lobbying to keep ethanol out of the high test gas altogether for
us aviators - but only in the high octane premium stuff.
It was in the Dec issue of SportFlying.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks/Auto fuel alcohol test
If anybody flying in ontario canada shell's high test (V power) Will NOT
contain any alcohol
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Forecast Northwest Mich |
Probably not what you're looking for but Cain Field (38C) just off US-131, South
of Big Rapids is turf. Maybe they plow it, maybe not. Then there are the neaby
inland lakes, e.g. Canadian, Chippewa and alot of others big enough for a Fox
on skis. Ice should be plenty thick with the cold weather of late and covered
by a foot or more of fresh snow. Look out for the ice shanties.
do not archive
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
I was going to ask you about that possibility, Marco, but I wouldn't
have got an answer back in time to go anyplace today. I called
Lansing FSS, and they advised against going anywhere today, as snow
was coming in. Right now it's just a sleet-like snow coming down,
with VERY slow accumulation. Got any possible good strips up around
you that are turf, marked well, and not all criss-crossed with
snowmobiles?
Lynn
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On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Snowing like crazy today up here in Osceola County, Lynn. I did
> some x-c skiing yesterday and there was a base of 6-8". With
> today's snow, I think your skis would put you down most anywhere.
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> My EIS yesterday showed 61 F for the "unit" temp. I think that is
> close to what the cabin temp is, at least behind the panel. I was
> wearing a bulky down coat at first, but changed it for a simple vest-
> type coat later on...more for the ability to move rather than
> anything else. Besides, the sun was out and that got the cabin temp
> up a bit. I'll take a thermometer along today and see what it is at
> foot level and at other levels within the cabin. I've got to call FSS
> and see if they know of any snow levels around lower Lower Michigan.
> Richard Rabbers reported pretty much no-snow around Benton Harbor
> area, and suggested heading north. I would think that lake effects
> snow should be somewhere along Lake Michigan.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dave wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn,
> > Went out for flight a while ago this AM .
> > OAT -13 C (9F )
> > Cabin temp flying 10 to 12 C ( 50 to 54 F )
> > So basically Heating give me approx a boost in cabin temps about
> > 40 to 45F increase on a overcast day and not bone chilling but
> > still well below freezing.
> > Still on Monster tires in up to 8 inch snow. < snicker>
> >
> > If i seal up a few more air leaks, surely I would add a few more
> > degrees to the cabin.
> >
> > Oh and climb today with 220 lbs of me and 13gals gas was 1300 FPM
> > at worst in a 582 . :)
> > Cruise speed at 500 agl seems to be about 86 -87 area at 6000 RPM
> > WOT i showed 101 MPH average.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on EBAY
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It was 9F yesterday at 3000' MSL, when I went out for a ski test
> >> flight. I thought this would be the ideal day to see a "minus
> >> something" on the OAT of my EIS, so up I went....4000'...10F.....
> >> 5000'...12F......6000'..15F....at that point I wasn't gonna see 0
> >> or anything close to it unless I went submarining, so I gave up on
> >> that quest and went back to flying. : )
> >> Today I go in search of snow....then football.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >> do not archive
> >> On Jan 21, 2007, at 7:42 AM, dave wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Lynn,
> >>>
> >>> Glad we agree : ) !! >Hell yeah, anything under $500 is a
> >>> steal!<
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> btw 9 F her right now ........... Might go out soon for a
> >>> flight ............
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
> >>>
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:23 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Skis and other Kitfox parts on
> EBAY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll file a report maybe later today as to the cost for the
> >>>> ones I just built and just flew for the first time
> >>>> yesterday...not enough snow here yet....I'm going in search of
> >>>> some today. But the initial report is they work just fine for
> >>>> the 1 1/2-2" that I landed in yesterday...7 landings at 4
> >>>> different grass strips.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lynn
> >>>> p.s. > On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:57 AM, dave wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The auction ends today for thse wheel skis. 202.53 now .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want Wheel skis these should be a good deal anything
> >>>>> under 500 $
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sure Lynn could attest to the costs plus time to make
> >>>>> his own. by the Lynn how is your Skis ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I was to make a set like this I would not sell under 500$
> >>>>> Most Skis sell for $ 750 up for a Pair.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you are considering Skis - this is a good deal for someone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope that link works, if not just SEARCH for " KITFOX " on
> >>>>> ebay.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%
> >>>>> 2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=kitfox&category0
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Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Ski-building story |
Can't you deal with the product liability issue same way the kitplane industry
does? Sell it unassembled, as a kit. You weld and prime, purchaser does the remaining
"51%". As for the lawyer stuff, I could help you there, maybe in exchange
for a prototype set of skis. I'm about 70% serious here so if you're interested,
contact me off list.
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Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
Not a bad idea, but the lawyer cost would be prohibitive, I'm sure.
The problem with mine is that they are designed around my 16x7.50x 8
tires. The ones on eBay right now are for taller tires, and narrower.
I could adjust a few things in the jig I suppose...hmmm...still that
liability thing, though.
One more thing about gathering the materials for the skis...not
knowing what would work best, I ordered 1/4" and 5/16" shock cord,
already having some 3/8" on hand from my pre-Grove gear days. To my
dismay, I found that the 1/4" was stronger than the 5/16". I ended up
using the 3/8" cord and Spruce's end fasteners.
Oh yeah, mine weigh about 13 pounds each and have 1/4" thick UHMW
polyethylene bottoms/shoes...so far no snow sticks to them, and very
little piles up on top of the part behind the wheel. That may be due
to having not much snow to test them on.
Lynn
On Jan 21, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Great story Lynn. Now that you're all set up and experienced . . .
> how about knocking off a few more pairs? :-)
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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Will you be able to do that without cutting fabric? I have 2x 6 gal wing tanks
and 1 gal behind the seat header. Would sure like another 5-6 gal near the CG
without cutting fabric.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote: Marco,
No but I am looking to put a tank right behind the seat.
I have 2 6 gal wing tanks now and a 8.5 gal front tank and another 10 gals
would be nice when on floats and remote.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
Are you using this tank Dave? If so, how'd you install it?
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
!2 gal tank
http://www.usplastic.com/pdfdatafiles/drawings/8972drawing03-2004.pdf
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tanks
There is nobody going to be sitting there? I don't have to worry about c of
g ?
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| Subject: | List Administrator-Please change e-mail |
List Administrator-Please change my email to: kitfox_robert@yahoo.com
Thank you,
Robert
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| Subject: | Re: U.S. Nav web site |
Here is an interesting web site for flying in the U.S.
Sorry, I don't see anything yet for other
countries....
You can enter the airport ID to the right, or click on
a chart below right, then drag the map to see the area
you want. Once centered, you can use the slider bar,
bottom right on the chart, to zoom in or out. The
current weather can be selected by placing the cursor
over any airport with a "weather circle" over it.
Just a handy site for you all.
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| Subject: | List Administrator-Please change e-mail |
OK Robert, that's done
Don Pearsall, admin
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List Administrator-Please change my email to: kitfox_robert@yahoo.com
Thank you,
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