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1. 04:19 AM - Coverings (again) (Dave G.)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Re:NSI extra engine parts. (Floyd Johnson)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (dave)
4. 04:52 AM - IV just came on EBAY (dave)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Fuel Flow, continued. (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: which paint (Roger McConnell)
7. 06:37 AM - Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (fox5flyer)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (Dave G.)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (Dave G.)
10. 08:07 AM - Re: Fuel Flow, continued. (paul wilson)
11. 08:12 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (Tim Vader)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (dave)
13. 08:49 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (dave)
14. 08:56 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (eccles)
15. 09:04 AM - Re: which paint (Joel)
16. 09:07 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (RRTRACK@aol.com)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (dave)
18. 09:27 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (eccles)
19. 09:50 AM - Re: which paint (kitfoxmike)
20. 09:54 AM - Re: IV just came on EBAY (kitfoxmike)
21. 10:01 AM - Re: Coverings/ rib separation (ron schick)
22. 01:22 PM - Tips for working with Hysol (Dave G.)
23. 01:26 PM - Re: Fuel Flow, continued. (Torgeir Mortensen)
24. 03:50 PM - Re: Ignition pickup (Michael Logan)
25. 04:58 PM - Gone for a while (Larry Huntley)
26. 05:04 PM - Re: which paint (jerry evans)
27. 05:11 PM - Re: Tips for working with Hysol (Dan Billingsley)
28. 05:56 PM - Fuel Cross Flow Test (Guy Buchanan)
29. 06:53 PM - Re: Tips for working with Hysol (Tom Jones)
30. 06:54 PM - Skii Flyin Ontario Feb 10 (dave)
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| Subject: | Coverings (again) |
I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec system
for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information. It
appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
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| Subject: | Re: RE:NSI extra engine parts. |
Kurt,
Just a note regarding oil pressure. Per Jay Roese, who I trust
implicitly. If your oil pressure is 10 pounds per 1000 RPM,
you are good to go. ie: 1 pound per 100 RPM. So if you are ideling at 1200
RPM's 12 Pounds won't hurt the engine.
Don't be afraid to give Jay a ring to explain this. Regards, Floyd
> [Original Message]
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/27/2007 10:40:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE:NSI extra engine parts.
>
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> This problem isn't restricted to NSI either. My
> flying buddy built a 2/3rds scale Jenny and installed
> a MotoGuzzy engine in it. Before he ran it, he opened
> the pan and dumped about a cup full of shavings out of
> it. Seems they never cleaned that up after the engine
> was milled/built.
>
> My NSI was clean and ran smooth, but my main problems
> have been keeping that oil pressure above 30 psi at
> flight idle, which is my personal limit, and that darn
> blow by oil seperator that wasn't right to begin with.
> Also I sure don't get the power I expected from it
> for the fuel flow.
>
> I expect to field strip it this year and do some
> upgrades. It will be worth it to know if all was well
> when take it apart completely.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- Floyd Johnson <kitfox69@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Again Mike,
> >
> > When I mentioned the initial overheating problems,
> > besides the undersized radiator, the engine core was
> > full of junk which clogged the radiator......
>
>
>
> Need Mail bonding?
> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Coverings (again) |
Dave, It is kinda like the arguement about to rib stitch or not.
You can even use other than aircraft paints if you prefer. Another
arguement.
Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had fabric
separate from the ribs with no stitching.
1.7 cecontite is about 7or 8 $ a yard in Canada -- how does this
compare with HIPEC?
Dave
http://www.supercub.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=134061
http://www.airtalk.org/any-info-on-hipec-no-rib-stitching-vt17520.html
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From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec
system for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information.
It appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
Do not archive
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| Subject: | IV just came on EBAY |
You can buy today and fly tomorrow ...
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow, continued. |
Torgeir:
First I understand that you are closing both wing shutoffs as an experiment.
In flight only one valve at a time would ever be closed with the possible
exception of an emergency.
One of the things you seem to have missed is that one tank will have some
pitot pressure on it from the forward facing cap. The other will have a
partial vacuum from the lift on the wing. I think you are saying it depends
on which tank has the lost cap as to how the loss of fuel and distribution
of fuel will be accomplished. In that case I agree. However that
difference may be minimal.
You suggest a vent to both wings from the header tank. Why not cut on the
amount of hose being used and just put a cross vent between the two tanks?
And no vent at all from the header. Pressure difference between the two
tanks (one will always be slightly higher than the other) will cause the
header to purge air through one or the other fuel lines. Another point is
when filling the wing tanks only one side will be filled at a time allowing
the header tank to fill and purge air thorough the other fuel line. A cross
vent will allow both wing tanks to feed fuel at any time as well as keep the
air pressure on top of the fuel equal at all times.
The reason I suggest this is there are certified aircraft flying today with
just that set up.
I like manual cameras, manual transmissions and fuel shut offs. I prefer to
have the choice to control fuel flow during flight. That requires some
sort of individual shut offs to be installed on the wing tanks.
Others may not consider the that control of any value and prefer to fly
without the shut offs. They may be right. They are right for themselves.
I doubt they are for me.
Noel
Soon to install shut offs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Torgeir Mortensen
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:02 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow, continued.
>
>
> <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Well folks, this is hopefully an explanation of the problems
> to be aware
> of in our kind of fuel system.
>
> The header tank is filled by gravity, only - this is an
> important thing to
> remember!
>
> Let's assume that we are filling our right main tank with 5
> gal. Both
> tanks is equipped with a valve that is closed. The main that
> goes from the
> header to the gasculator is also closed.
>
> Well, -some notes is needed here, the fuel system here is the
> same as the
> one we started with, the one valid today. I've installed two
> valves one
> for each wing tank, this is to make it more easy to
> understand as I'm sure
> you agree that if both valves is open all the time the
> functionality is
> equal to the one recommended today.
>
> Now we have the right tank filled with 5 gal, both mains is
> shut, now we
> install a pressure device on both head tubes and pressurize
> both tanks
> with pressure equal to 100 Mi. Yes, we are on ground, but we
> are trying to
> simulate flight, both wing tanks AND the header tank is
> pressurized (via
> the vent line). Now we open the right main valve. Now, will
> the fuel rush
> down the line? No, the fuel will flow gently down the line by
> the gravity
> only. This is true as the header also is pressurized with
> same pressure as
> the two mains. This is the same as we are on ground with no
> head pressure,
> agree? The head pressure only make effect against the
> carburetor float
> camber as this camber is at the "true" static pressure.
>
>
>
> Then I've to let the cat out of the basket.
>
> The thing is, if you have a leakage that's causing filling of
> the right
> wing tank (and maybe some drop of fuel from here), you
> "should" be able to
> use all the fuel left in the right wing tank, this due to gravity.
> However, if you have a leaky left hand tank gasket,
> transferring all of
> the fuel to the left side wing tank, -after unporting air will
> continuously flow toward the left tank and avoiding much fuel
> flow from
> here. Therefore the header soon exhaust and your engine WILL
> stop, and
> your landing will be with the left wing tank full of fuel!
>
> Go figure. After all this discussion I'll hope that you're
> able to figure
> this.
>
> The correct solution here is to vent the header to BOTH wing tanks!
>
> This is something I've said MANY times here on the kitfox
> list, -but after
> Howard's incident -lately, I could not stop writing this.
>
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
>
>
>
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Hey Joel,
What kind of wax do you use on polytone?? Sorry didn't mean to
change the subject.
Roger Mac
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: which paint
Hi Jerry,
I used polytone because of it is easier to repair. Aerothane provides a
glossier finish, but polytone with a coat of wax looks almost as shiny.
--------
Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90987#90987
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| Subject: | Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
Regards,
Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Coverings (again) |
The Hipec fellow uses Ceconite as the fabric, I think my 1992 Denney Mod
IV was originally covered in something other than Polyfiber fabric. I'm
not sure what the factory shipped then but it's light and very tightly
woven. The link to Hipec is here. http://hipec.falconaravia.com/ Prices
in $Can and $ US are there. It sure uses a lot less coats. As far as rib
sitching, Polyfiber recommends it, but that seems to be due to an
abundance of liability lawyers. Whatever process I use, I'll use the
full process recommended.
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----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
Dave, It is kinda like the arguement about to rib stitch or not.
You can even use other than aircraft paints if you prefer. Another
arguement.
Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had fabric
separate from the ribs with no stitching.
1.7 cecontite is about 7or 8 $ a yard in Canada -- how does this
compare with HIPEC?
Dave
http://www.supercub.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=134061
http://www.airtalk.org/any-info-on-hipec-no-rib-stitching-vt17520.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec
system for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information.
It appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
Do not archive
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Coverings (again) |
Just curious, I'm not aware that this has ever happenned on a 'fox let
alone with any disasterous results. Do you know otherwise?
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Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had fabric
separate from the ribs with no stitching.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow, continued. |
Kurt,
I hesitate to insert any further comments on this discussion, BUT--
We were never able to add check valves in our aerospace fluid (fuel) systems without
a huge battle from the wise and more experienced engineers. The argument
always centered on the fact that none of the various styles of check valves were
reliable. It take a significant delta p to gaurentee operation with out leakage.
Leakage is a matter of degree but why have one if it does no perform. The
last nail in the coffen of adding these devices is that the added fittings
and additional leak paths are just not worth the reduction in system reliability.
Now here we have a Kitfox and fuel flow problems and reliability are paramount
to keeping the plane in the air. The stock design of the Kitfox fuel system as
2 wing tanks and a header behind the seat with a shutoff valve & filter downstream
of the header tank was well thought out by some very experienced and smart
engineers. Tread lightly before assuming that one can change the design without
lots of engineering and experience help.
So what is one to do after hearing about these "dark stormy night" stories? First
I can give some recommendations:
1) Make sure you're fuel system is really operating as designed. This means fresh
tank cap seals that are tested to really seal. Make sure your check list says
to verify caps are installed and pointing the correct direction.
2) Has the fuel hose routing changed since originally installed? No low spots or
kinks.
3) Has the fuel filter been changed recently and how often should you change it?
4) Have you done recently cleaned your finger strainers?
All these items affect fuel flow and cross flow.
What did I do about the fuel system design? 1) I modified my fuel tank inlet to
use the standard spam can flush filler caps and put the tank vent below the wing.
Why? 1) because I wanted an o-ring seal for the tank cap and a flush apearance.
I have always found that an o-ring will reliably make a seal whereas a
flat gasket is somewhat uncertain. Just look and any modern auto and see the o-ring
seal for the gas cap. 2) I made a judgement that the higher pressure below
the wing would give more margin for fuel flow than the factory design.
I have discussed my design with several engineers including the two guys responsible
for the factory design and it all agree my design was better and much
more costly. In fact at the time of Skystar demise the fuel system redesign would
have included these features along with the items which are not mentioned
here. I also have a 3/8" tube/hose system for more margin in pressure drop and
have individual wing tank shutoff valves for ground maint. The 3/8" lines are
good and recommended by the engineers I consulted with, but the valves have
pros and cons. The larger valve size is necessary for reduce pressure drop but
the extra leak paths is worrysome.
As far as changing the vent-to tank line I still have the vent header to one tank.
Cross feed is a function of the pressure and elevation difference between
the two wing tanks. Correct these two things and you will NOT have cross feed.
Cross feed problems can be fuel restrictions, cap seal, or vent restriction.
Those items must be addressed. Elevation differences most likely are caused by
pilot in flight or the parking area on the ground.
In conclusion: Please do not add check valves. Be sure the fuel system is per
the original design before flying. Mods to the factory design are not necessary.
Regards, Paul
========================================
I have been looking at the check valves myself. I
think they need .5 psi to open, so they should be
mounted at the header to ensure enough tank pressure
for flow.
Another consideration is a shutoff only on the left
tank. That prevents cross flow, no chance of having
both tanks closed, and the shutoff could be mounted
where you see it when closed, but not open, just to
remind you.
With the right tank full, it can still feed thru the
vent line, if the main line is shut off. After a bit
this no longer applies, but the left tank is
completely controllable thru the only line.
Right now I use a hose clamp on one line or the other
only, and in cruise only. I am listening to all of
you for better ideas.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At the risk of adding fuel to the embers of this
> string (sorry), how about Andair check valves
> instead of shut-offs at each wing tank? Wouldn't
> that solve the problem of cross-fed, total fuel
> depletion from one missing or loose cap, where
> single tank isolation is not wanted or needed?
_________________________________
SISNA...more service, less money.
http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/
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| Subject: | Re: Coverings (again) |
Dave G.
I covered my Classic IV with the Hipec system. I modified it
slightly though in that I used the Attach Gloo and the Sun Barrier to
attach the fabric (2.7 oz.Ceconite) to the airframe. After that dried I
scuff sanded the Sun Barrier to provide a tooth to the surface and
painted the plane with 1.3 HG Imron one part water based polyurethane
paint. I chose the Imron because it has very low volatile organic
compounds (VOCs). It is also very resistant to fuel and covers fabric,
metal or fibreglass. It also has a very glossy lustre. The Sun Barrier
was very easy to apply; just use a foam roller to fill the weave of the
fabric. Use the Sun Barrier in a well ventilated room as it contains
isocyanates just like some of the other covering methods. When I
sprayed the Imron I just used a particulate mask. The Imron dries to a
nice glossy lustre in about twenty minutes. Since covering in August
2005 I have tacked up a piece of finished fabric and my fence outside
and have not noticed any loss of lustre or any other bad effects. I am
very satisfied with the results. No finish tapes. One coat of sun
barrier, one coat of Imron. About six gallons of total product used.
Tim Vader
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec
system for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information.
It appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
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| Subject: | Re: Coverings (again) |
Dave, yes that was my point .
I am not aware of and non stitched Kitfoxes with separation. Some choose
to stitch and the other 90% seem to not have problems. I do in fact
stand to be corrected though.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
Just curious, I'm not aware that this has ever happenned on a 'fox let
alone with any disasterous results. Do you know otherwise?
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Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had
fabric separate from the ribs with no stitching.
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
Great News Deke !!
I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this month!!!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
> Regards,
> Deke
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
Hope that he has some pictures ,, I've always wanted to do the ski fly-in
just never got it done
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
Great News Deke !!
I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this month!!!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
> Regards,
> Deke
>
>
> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>
>
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The folks at Spencer Aircraft, local Stitts dealers, suggested using a quality
carnuba automobile wax. I'm using "Mothers" brand.
--------
Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91061#91061
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
I was there at the Ski Fly-IN at Oshkosh on Saturday and saw maybe 30
planes. Lots of Cubs and other certified aircraft. I left before Lynn arrived
and
wish I could have talked to him. There was a great turnout.
Mark
Wisconsin
Kitfox V Vixen
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
Steve here are some pics here from one lasat year
http://www.cfisher.com/mudlake.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
> Hope that he has some pictures ,, I've always wanted to do the ski fly-in
> just never got it done
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>
> Great News Deke !!
>
> I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this month!!!
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>>
>> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
>> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
>> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
>> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
>> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
>> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
>> Regards,
>> Deke
>>
>>
>> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>>
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| Subject: | Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
Steve here are some pics here from one lasat year
http://www.cfisher.com/mudlake.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
> Hope that he has some pictures ,, I've always wanted to do the ski fly-in
> just never got it done
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>
> Great News Deke !!
>
> I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this month!!!
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>>
>> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
>> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
>> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
>> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
>> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
>> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
>> Regards,
>> Deke
>>
>>
>> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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polytone is great to apply and looks fine if put on right. Now my only problem
is the bottom, the exhaust puts yuk all over the bottom and it stains the polytone,
I've never had to worry about doing repairs, I guess if I had a problem
with landings and have bent parts this would be something to worry about, but
anyway, I think the best solution is to clean the underneath real good and shoot
it with urathane. If that goes fine just put it on the whole airplane, don't
know, anybody have an answer for me on this problem I have?
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| Subject: | Re: IV just came on EBAY |
heavy little bugger. mine came in at 650 with grove gear.
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| Subject: | Re: Coverings/ rib separation |
Dave my undercambered Avid seperated on the bottom. The solution was to
pressure the fabric back in place with the bristles of a shop broom, then
inject Polytack with syringe. Been good for a year or more now. I used
stainless staples on the Speedster. Ron NB Ore
>From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:41:13 -0500
>
>Dave, yes that was my point .
>
>I am not aware of and non stitched Kitfoxes with separation. Some choose to
>stitch and the other 90% seem to not have problems. I do in fact stand to
>be corrected though.
>
>
>Dave
>
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| Subject: | Tips for working with Hysol |
I need 'em. In my first experience with this stuff I've found it to be
an evil unmanageable blob. I was attempting to repair my droop-style
wingtip which was two pieces when I recieved it, figuring that was a
good place to make friends with Hysol before gluing in the rear spar. I
scooped out two equal sized dollops of black and white and mixed it on a
sheet of stiff plastic. Ambient temp around 60 deg. I then made a 1"
wide band around the bond line of the tip. and it's currently held with
Cleco clamps and small woodworking clamp developing what I hope will be
a lasting relationship.
It is only thanks to about 10 pairs of Nitril gloves that I am not
covered in this stuff and I am in doubts as to my ability to make those
nice neat coves around the spar/rib joints when I attempt that. I need
tips on how this is done, I'm sure there is something obvious that I'm
missing.
While I expect this might be of use to others, anyone wishing to spare
the list can respond to occom@ns.sympatico.ca Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow, continued. |
Hi Noel,
I'll put the answers in between lines below.
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:53:39 +0100, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>
> Torgeir:
>
> First I understand that you are closing both wing shutoffs as an
> experiment.
Yes, the meaning was to isolate the system and show that the header tank
is indeed filled by gravity only. This is true as the header is vented to
the same pressure as the right main tank, since there is no pressure
difference between them, the header will be filled by the gravity only
-when you open the right wing tank valve.
Sure this is an experiment that's only to be carried out on ground. But
you know we can simulate exactly whats going on with the aircraft on
ground, yes no risk here.
Yes, you can add the pressure difference, run the engine and see for
yourself -this is no magic pure physics.
> In flight only one valve at a time would ever be closed with the possible
> exception of an emergency.
Of course you're right here, this is how my system is today -only
difference I have a large header tank, almost a "panel tank". I'll always
open the closed one, then I shut the other.
With a true "cross vented" system those valves is really not needed, but
for maintenance -and fuel management, they are a must.
>
> One of the things you seem to have missed is that one tank will have some
> pitot pressure on it from the forward facing cap. The other will have a
> partial vacuum from the lift on the wing. I think you are saying it
> depends
> on which tank has the lost cap as to how the loss of fuel and
> distribution
> of fuel will be accomplished. In that case I agree. However that
> difference may be minimal.
No I havent missed the head pressure, but you're right this pressure is
very low(in absolute value), compared to the low pressure over the wing.
One other thing, I've avoided to use the word vacuum, thou everyone of us
understand this. In the physics vacuum is zero pressure, -as out in the
space. The pressure we're living in is approx. 14.7 lbs. or ~1 BAR. So
absolute pressure is the one with reference to zero pressure (the space).
Even an aircraft without the head (pitot) pressure, would experience the
same thing.
The flow either way is about the same in numbers if the right or the left
tank cap has the same amount of leakage, but the BIG difference is that
the header is not filled by the gravity if we have a "certain" leakage at
the LEFT fuel cap. Here you will have a full left fuel tank, but the fuel
cant flow to the header due to the air flow upward in the fuel line all
the time.
If you look at the opposite leakage, leakage at the right cap, this
airflow will go through the vent line and the fuel will flow in the fuel
line as proposed to be.
Yes, it is here those engineers have missed!
So crossed vented tanks tied down to the header is the cure, or, -the fix.
>
> You suggest a vent to both wings from the header tank. Why not cut on
> the
> amount of hose being used and just put a cross vent between the two
> tanks?
> And no vent at all from the header. Pressure difference between the two
> tanks (one will always be slightly higher than the other) will cause the
> header to purge air through one or the other fuel lines. Another point
> is
> when filling the wing tanks only one side will be filled at a time
> allowing
> the header tank to fill and purge air thorough the other fuel line. A
> cross
> vent will allow both wing tanks to feed fuel at any time as well as keep
> the
> air pressure on top of the fuel equal at all times.
Sure Noel, you're right here, and I'll like to add; this exactly according
to a drawing I'll made for this list many years ago, showing both wing
tanks crossvented with a T connection down to the header tank. I don't
know if the sportflight's photo share is working, but sure this drawing is
there.
>
> The reason I suggest this is there are certified aircraft flying today
> with
> just that set up.
>
:)
> I like manual cameras, manual transmissions and fuel shut offs. I
> prefer to
> have the choice to control fuel flow during flight. That requires some
> sort of individual shut offs to be installed on the wing tanks.
>
> Others may not consider the that control of any value and prefer to fly
> without the shut offs. They may be right. They are right for
> themselves.
> I doubt they are for me.
I could have been write the same thing myself..
>
> Noel
> Soon to install shut offs.
>
Hoping this may clear up things.
Cheers
Torgeir.
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Floyd,
What is the part number for that pickup?
Does Jay have a website? What are the dimensions of the radiator he has?
Mike
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition pickup
Hi Mike,
No, it's Electromotive.com. The pickup I refered to is actually wedge
shapped on the trigger wheel end, as opposed to the original pickup which
had a flat end. It fits into the same NSI collar.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:michael.logan@cox.net> Logan
Sent: 1/27/2007 9:14:24 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
Should that be directignition.com? They are located about 50 miles north of
here in Manassas, VA. I have talked to them a number of times and they are
very helpful. I am not sure what you mean by the wedge shaped pickup. Is
it a crank mount? If it is, what did you use for mounting the parts?
I still have the NSI system in my hangar but I am using the Real World
Solutions ignition and injector system with the NSI ignition pickups. The
NSI system has the toothed wheel attached to the flywheel end of the crank
and the sensors are attached to the inside of the "bell housing."
Mike
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
I'm currently using the new Electromotive WEDGE SHAPED pickup. It is much
more precise.
I can get the part number for you, or you can go to ELECTROMOTIVE.COM and
find it.
They have a complete manual for the ignition modules which you can download.
It has all
the information you would need for troubleshooting etc. Be sure to download
the one for your
particular module. Floyd
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:michael.logan@cox.net> Logan
Sent: 1/26/2007 7:13:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
Floyd,
What are you using for the pickups on the ignition now that you have gone to
one module?
Mike
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
For you pilots flying behind NSI EA 81 engines who are having problems, I
have a reference to help you.
Jay Roese in the Rochester, New York area solved my multitude of NSI Engine
problems. I highly
recommend him. He has agreed to talk to anyone who needs his expertise. He
has an extensive background
with Subaru engines and builds racing engines a well as rebuilds engines for
car dealers. I now have a SMOOOOOTH
running Subaru engine in my MOD IV Kitfox, thanks to Jay. This not meant in
any way as an advertisement, only as a help for those NSI engine owners who
are having problems.
His E-Mail addrss is: phatbasstrd@rochester.rr.com
His Cell #: 1-585-729-5098
Floyd Johnson
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| Subject: | Gone for a while |
Off list for a week or so,be back. Larry Huntley
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Thanks for the reply this brings out a another question . Did people not rib stitch?
I maybe new at this but, that what I'm tolded, to rib stitch
jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Can anyone tell me what is the
best paint to use over stits I'm doing over dacron for my m2 , should I use polytone
or aerothane or classic aero ?
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for working with Hysol |
Dave,
My first date with Hysol was a bit unsetteling as well. After playing with sticks
and trying to spread the stuff neatly (never happened)...I tried using sandwich
size zip-lock baggies and snipping the corner. It's almost like welding
now as I squeeze the line of Hysol where I want it. This turned the Hysol experience
around for me and I can place the stuff in tight spaces.
Dan, Mesa AZ
"Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
I need 'em. In my first experience with this stuff I've found it to be
an evil unmanageable blob. I was attempting to repair my droop-style wingtip
which was two pieces when I recieved it, figuring that was a good place to make
friends with Hysol before gluing in the rear spar. I scooped out two equal
sized dollops of black and white and mixed it on a sheet of stiff plastic. Ambient
temp around 60 deg. I then made a 1" wide band around the bond line of the
tip. and it's currently held with Cleco clamps and small woodworking clamp
developing what I hope will be a lasting relationship.
It is only thanks to about 10 pairs of Nitril gloves that I am not covered in
this stuff and I am in doubts as to my ability to make those nice neat coves
around the spar/rib joints when I attempt that. I need tips on how this is done,
I'm sure there is something obvious that I'm missing.
While I expect this might be of use to others, anyone wishing to spare the list
can respond to occom@ns.sympatico.ca Thanks
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| Subject: | Fuel Cross Flow Test |
All,
I ran a simple fuel cross flow test today. I was nearly empty,
with about 3 gallons in each 13 gallon wing tank. I then filled the right
tank, (with vent,) with 9.3 gallons of fuel and started my timer. It took
about 23 minutes for the two tanks to equilibrate. I have 3/8" fuel lines,
mostly aluminum. OAT was about 60F. Fuel was 100LL, no oil, no TCP.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for working with Hysol |
That baggy tip is maybe the best tip you'll get. Also, dip your gloved fingers
in some denatured alcohol before you touch it. You can push it around and shape
it just like factory with no sticking to the gloves. A little flox mixed
in helps it hold its shape. It doesn't take as much flox as the old 3M stuff
does.
I used 3m when I built my plane. Then I had to build a new wing and Skystar was
supplying Hysol by that time. The Hysol is much easier.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Skii Flyin Ontario Feb 10 |
For anyone interested ......... btw -- where is Gary Algate ? He is right
near this place.
I flew in last year --pics here http://www.cfisher.com/mudlake.htm
February 10, Penetanguishene, ON: COPA Flight 73's annual ski fly-in and BBQ
is taking place at St. Andrews (Mud) Lake. Date is tentative for ice and
weather consideration. Event will move to Sunday 11th if necessary due to
adverse conditions and even weekend to weekend as necessary to hold the
event. Start 10 a.m. and BBQ from 11a.m. 'till noon. Ending when the last
guys toes get cold! Lake is located 0.75 Miles East of Town Water Tower and
1 Mile South of the Mental Health Centre. 0.75 miles West of N44-47-906
W79-53-434 n/a Irish Field. For more information contact Paul Turner at
705-322-1149, Bruce Tinney at 705-526-6019 or email turnerpontiac@aol.ca.
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