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1. 04:16 AM - Re: Tips for working with Hysol (colind)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow, continued.Fuel Flow, continued. (Bradley M Webb)
3. 04:51 AM - KF4 '94-0042 Progressing (colind)
4. 05:00 AM - KF4 '94-0042 Pics #2 (colind)
5. 05:30 AM - Re: which paint (W Duke)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: which paint (GAry Olson)
7. 07:13 AM - stitching ribs (jerry evans)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: Tips for working with Hysol (Brett Walmsley)
10. 08:15 AM - Re: stitching ribs (Brett Walmsley)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/28/07 (Ganz. LLC.)
12. 09:08 AM - Fuel System Questions (Nick Scholtes)
13. 09:18 AM - Ignition Pickup (Floyd Johnson)
14. 09:21 AM - Re: stitching ribs (Don Smythe)
15. 09:49 AM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: stitching ribs (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 09:56 AM - Re: IV just came on EBAY (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
18. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: stitching ribs (RRTRACK@aol.com)
19. 10:06 AM - I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh (Lynn Matteson)
20. 10:08 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:20 AM - Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh (dave)
22. 10:26 AM - Re: stitching ribs (kitfoxmike)
23. 10:39 AM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Bradley M Webb)
24. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: stitching ribs (W Duke)
25. 11:16 AM - Re: stitching ribs (Don Smythe)
26. 11:38 AM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
27. 11:41 AM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
28. 11:53 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (Lyle Peterson)
29. 12:25 PM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (Lynn Matteson)
30. 12:42 PM - Re: Ignition Pickup (Peter Graichen)
31. 12:46 PM - Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh (Lynn Matteson)
32. 12:47 PM - Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh (Michel Verheughe)
33. 12:48 PM - Re: stitching ribs (Don Smythe)
34. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in Note on LSA as well (Lynn Matteson)
35. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in (Lynn Matteson)
36. 12:57 PM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
37. 12:59 PM - Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh (dave)
38. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in Note on LSA as well (dave)
39. 01:12 PM - Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh (Lynn Matteson)
40. 01:33 PM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Clem Nichols)
41. 01:33 PM - Re: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing (QSS)
42. 01:43 PM - Re: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing (eccles)
43. 02:19 PM - Re: stitching ribs (Don Smythe)
44. 02:38 PM - Re: stitching ribs (W Duke)
45. 02:45 PM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Marco Menezes)
46. 03:57 PM - Re: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing (QSS)
47. 04:05 PM - Re: Fuel System Questions=finger strainer (paul wilson)
48. 04:23 PM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
49. 05:03 PM - Re: stitching ribs (Don Smythe)
50. 06:48 PM - Re: stitching ribs (dave)
51. 07:38 PM - Re: stitching ribs (john perry)
52. 08:16 PM - Re: stitching ribs (GAry Olson)
53. 08:23 PM - Re: Fuel System Questions (Guy Buchanan)
54. 08:47 PM - Fuel System Questions=gasolator (Cudnohufsky's)
55. 08:50 PM - rib stitch (jerry evans)
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for working with Hysol |
Hi guys,
I am working with a kit which was first shipped in '94, and had the 3M glue (partly
used by the original builder). I tried working with it and found it a real
pain. I did a bit of reserach and found that Bostik "Titan Bond" Plus has virtually
identical properties (so close that it doesn't matter - same shear strength,
same tensile strength, better modulus of elasticity, same temp range,
etc, etc).
Three great plusses though: a) it is hydrophobic (bonds in very high humidity -
even underwater); b) it is supplied in a twin syringe dispenser which makes dispensing
the right proportions a breeeze, and; c) it is significantly more forgiving
of errors in mix proportions without affecting the final properties of
the bond. It also has a neat feature where it changes colour depending on the
progress of curing (it starts out a light cream colour, changes to pale blue
just after set (30 - 60 mins) then gradually changes back to cream over the 24hr
aging cycle, then progresses to a deeper cream colour over the next few days.
Titan Bond is available in most general hardware stores here for around $15.00AUD
(~$11.00USD) for a 50ml syringe pack. You should be able to get it in the US,
I would presume in general hardware stores.
Its about the same viscosity as the 3M compound, but adding flox to it helps it
hold a fairly high bead as with 3m and Hysol.
Hope this is assistance.
Regards
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Colin Durey
Sydney
+61-418-677073
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow, continued.Fuel Flow, continued. |
The different size tanks are the primary reason I wanted to select each tank
individually. I'm curious though if I used both together, what would happen
when one goes empty? Would it suck a bubble though? Or just sit there, while
the other tank with fuel in it fed the header? I didn't know, so I put the
L-O-R valve in.
If my tanks were the same size, I prolly would not have used the selector
valve (KISS principle).
I left the header up front (as opposed to the very popular behind the seat
header) because I could not figure out how to switch tanks with valves in
front of me (and not create a trapped air situation). I did not want the
valves behind me (remember John Denver).
As it is, the only issue is water trapped in the lines below the seat.
That's why my header tank is my gascolator. The feed to the pump/motor uses
a standpipe of 1.5 inches off the bottom, so that if water does get in, it
settles to the bottom, where I'm not drawing fuel. Bad side is slightly
lower useable capacity. I added a drain at the back to the outside, so I can
check for water/debris on preflight.
I am debating replacing my right 13.5 gal with a 6 gallon tank. My butt
doesn't need 10hrs of range (20gal - 2gph), and I could get rid of the
selector valve altogether. I'm kind of waiting for the plastic tanks to
emerge to solve the ethanol issue. I'm tossing around a single fuse tank in
back as well, but my rule is no fuel in the cabin.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow, continued.Fuel Flow, continued.
Hi Bradly,
Just wanted to say this is a real good idea to implement into the old
system, here you're forced to use one side by the time I.E. it is not
possible to use both wing tank feeding the header, also there's only one
valve to manage both fuel tanks - really good.
Can you see the potential danger of using both wing valves in open
position in the old system??
You'll know, the good habit from the GA is to manage the fuel enroute,
swap tank every 30 minute -this is an important part of good airmanship.
Well folks, this old system is something I'll like to look into a little
later.
Torgeir.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:54:55 +0100, Bradley M Webb <bmwebb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> It's not that much different from many of yours, but much different than
> the
> Model 2 instructions show.
>
> First of all, I have 6gal in the left, 12 gal in the right, and the small
> aluminum header right behind the firewall.
>
> I have no tank interconnect that vents both tanks together. The only
> vents
> are the individual caps. I did this mainly to stop siphoning between the
> tanks while parked.
>
> I also have each tank flow to a left-off-right valve near the header
> tank.
> The M2 manual shows the shut-offs behind the pilot (SB'd out), and both
> tanks went to the sides of the header tank. Mine has a single line from
> the
> L-O-R valve to the flow sender then to the header. From there, to a
> firewall
> shut-off valve, to the FI pump, then to the motor. From the FI/TBI,
> excess
> fuel returns to the other side of the header.
>
> My header is a closed system, in that it is not vented at all under
> normal
> conditions. I did not run the vent up to the wing tank. I have a purge
> valve
> to the top to burp it, even in flight. I installed an ACS fuel level
> switch
> with an LED in the panel. If that light comes on, my header level is
> falling, and I open the purge valve to burp it. Both vertical distance
> and
> cap vent tube force the bubble out and re-fill the tank.
>
> While sitting tail down with half tanks, I get 4-5gph flow to the
> header. In
> flight attitude, it's over 10gph. Since I only use 2 gph on my motor, it
> meets the FAA 150% flow rule by a large margin.
>
> Bradley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Gibbs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:37 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow, continued.Fuel Flow, continued.
>
>
> Bradley sez:
>
>> I set my system up as two totally seperate, redundant systems. I
>> have no interconnect between tanks. I installed a left-off-right
>> valve...My header is my lifeline.
>
> I'm confused by your description, Bradley. How is this different
> than the factory set up? Each wing tank normally feeds the header,
> many builders include an inline valve between each wing tank and the
> header, and the header is vented to the right wing tank.
>
> Can you describe your installation in more detail?
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
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| Subject: | KF4 '94-0042 Progressing |
Hi folks!
At last something to get excited about. Mick Edmonds (ex CASA) our local RAAus
inspector did the final "pre-closure" inspection on KF 9407-0042 ("Ralph") today,
and passed it without hesitation. Onward to the challenge of fabric.
Its been a lot of fun getting to this point, but its taken so much longer than
we originally planned (18mths so far).
I've done a few experiments with puting fabric on the landing gear struts, which
proved to be very enlightening, and encouraging. The first attempt was pretty
awfull, but the second attempt was much better. I certainly have appreciated
perusing the various comments made on the list on this topic over the last few
months. Rib-stitching?? - haven't decided yet, but seem to be moving towards
no stitching.
For those interested, I have attached a few pics of the work done so far. They're
a mix of views from various stages of work, but give you some idea of what's
been done so far.
Included are pics of: the cabin heater (#944) and the heater control valve (#020);
Engine (#027) with some of the piping and misc bits fitted; Rudder (#011)
and Vertical Fin (#012); some of the wiring looms (#933), the electrical tray
behind the I/Panel (#953); Static chamber and cargo bay floor plate (#958); cockpit
and centre console (#951). I'll split the pics up over a couple of emails
to limit the size.
Hope its not too long before I can show you a covered airframe.
Regards
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Colin Durey
Sydney
+61-418-677073
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| Subject: | KF4 '94-0042 Pics #2 |
More pics of "Ralph"
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Sydney
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Aerothane for gloss and durability. Polytone for repairability. With regard to
gloss and polytone. With the silver and paint I kept the products in the refrigerator
overnight prior to spraying. This I am told slows the drying time and
improves gloss. ( also reduces blush I think). My shop was airconditioned
as well. My airplane is not as glossy as aerothane but much more so than most
with Polytone. I have not yet put any wax on it.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what is the best paint to use over stits I'm doing over
dacron for my m2 , should I use polytone or aerothane or classic aero ?
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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In my fairly limited experience, Poly-tone can provide a satisfactory finis
h and is very easy to work with. Repairs are a snap. This gentleman brings
up a good point with his reference to temperature of the product prior to a
pplication. For me the biggest factor was moisture. DRY air is a must when
applying the finish. An unsatisfactory blush will be produced with even min
or amounts of moisture in the air line. In previous posts on this very subj
ect, other members have brought up very clever and practical ways of contro
lling air quality. You may want to check the archives on this subject. One
thing I know for certain thru experience is, the degree of satisfaction in
your paint job will be directly tied to the level of quality control during
application. Good luck.=0A =0AGary=0A =0Ado not archive =0A=0A=0A----- Ori
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-List: which paint=0A=0A=0AAerothane for gloss and durability. Polytone fo
r repairability. With regard to gloss and polytone. With the silver and pa
int I kept the products in the refrigerator overnight prior to spraying. T
his I am told slows the drying time and improves gloss. ( also reduces blu
sh I think). My shop was airconditioned as well. My airplane is not as gl
ossy as aerothane but much more so than most with Polytone. I have not yet
put any wax on it.=0A =0AMaxwell S6/TD/IO240=0A=0Ajerry evans <kitfox555@s
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I'm hearing that some don't stitch their ribs, why not? Is there a reason
for that ?
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: jerry evans
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
I'm hearing that some don't stitch their ribs, why not? Is there
a reason for that ?
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: Tips for working with Hysol |
Couple of thoughts.
I did not use gloves. Clean up is easy with alcohol.
Use flox or micro balloons as a media to thicken to help with drooping.
After it starts to set you can also dip your finger in alcohol to clean up messes.
Just keep working with it, you'll get the hang of it
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Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
I stitched mine.
I'm glad I did.
It was fun and educational.
Took a day and a half to do both wings.
I would suggest not using the flat cord.
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Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/28/07 |
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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/28/07
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 04:19 AM - Coverings (again) (Dave G.)
> 2. 04:27 AM - Re: Re:NSI extra engine parts. (Floyd Johnson)
> 3. 04:49 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (dave)
> 4. 04:52 AM - IV just came on EBAY (dave)
> 5. 05:54 AM - Re: Fuel Flow, continued. (Noel Loveys)
> 6. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: which paint (Roger McConnell)
> 7. 06:37 AM - Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (fox5flyer)
> 8. 07:44 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (Dave G.)
> 9. 07:47 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (Dave G.)
> 10. 08:07 AM - Re: Fuel Flow, continued. (paul wilson)
> 11. 08:12 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (Tim Vader)
> 12. 08:42 AM - Re: Coverings (again) (dave)
> 13. 08:49 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (dave)
> 14. 08:56 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (eccles)
> 15. 09:04 AM - Re: which paint (Joel)
> 16. 09:07 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (RRTRACK@aol.com)
> 17. 09:18 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (dave)
> 18. 09:27 AM - Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh (eccles)
> 19. 09:50 AM - Re: which paint (kitfoxmike)
> 20. 09:54 AM - Re: IV just came on EBAY (kitfoxmike)
> 21. 10:01 AM - Re: Coverings/ rib separation (ron schick)
> 22. 01:22 PM - Tips for working with Hysol (Dave G.)
> 23. 01:26 PM - Re: Fuel Flow, continued. (Torgeir Mortensen)
> 24. 03:50 PM - Re: Ignition pickup (Michael Logan)
> 25. 04:58 PM - Gone for a while (Larry Huntley)
> 26. 05:04 PM - Re: which paint (jerry evans)
> 27. 05:11 PM - Re: Tips for working with Hysol (Dan Billingsley)
> 28. 05:56 PM - Fuel Cross Flow Test (Guy Buchanan)
> 29. 06:53 PM - Re: Tips for working with Hysol (Tom Jones)
> 30. 06:54 PM - Skii Flyin Ontario Feb 10 (dave)
>
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>
> Time: 04:19:16 AM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
> I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec system
> for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information. It
> appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
>
> Do not archive
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
> Time: 04:27:59 AM PST US
> From: "Floyd Johnson" <kitfox69@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE:NSI extra engine parts.
>
>
> Kurt,
> Just a note regarding oil pressure. Per Jay Roese, who I trust
> implicitly. If your oil pressure is 10 pounds per 1000 RPM,
> you are good to go. ie: 1 pound per 100 RPM. So if you are ideling at 1200
> RPM's 12 Pounds won't hurt the engine.
> Don't be afraid to give Jay a ring to explain this. Regards, Floyd
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 1/27/2007 10:40:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE:NSI extra engine parts.
>>
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>> This problem isn't restricted to NSI either. My
>> flying buddy built a 2/3rds scale Jenny and installed
>> a MotoGuzzy engine in it. Before he ran it, he opened
>> the pan and dumped about a cup full of shavings out of
>> it. Seems they never cleaned that up after the engine
>> was milled/built.
>>
>> My NSI was clean and ran smooth, but my main problems
>> have been keeping that oil pressure above 30 psi at
>> flight idle, which is my personal limit, and that darn
>> blow by oil seperator that wasn't right to begin with.
>> Also I sure don't get the power I expected from it
>> for the fuel flow.
>>
>> I expect to field strip it this year and do some
>> upgrades. It will be worth it to know if all was well
>> when take it apart completely.
>>
>> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>>
>> --- Floyd Johnson <kitfox69@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Again Mike,
>> >
>> > When I mentioned the initial overheating problems,
>> > besides the undersized radiator, the engine core was
>> > full of junk which clogged the radiator......
>>
>>
>>
>> Need Mail bonding?
>> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
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>>
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> Time: 04:49:53 AM PST US
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
> Dave, It is kinda like the arguement about to rib stitch or not.
>
> You can even use other than aircraft paints if you prefer. Another
> arguement.
>
> Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had fabric
> separate from the ribs with no stitching.
>
> 1.7 cecontite is about 7or 8 $ a yard in Canada -- how does this
> compare with HIPEC?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> http://www.supercub.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=134061
>
> http://www.airtalk.org/any-info-on-hipec-no-rib-stitching-vt17520.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave G.
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:18 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
>
> I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec
> system for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information.
> It appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:52:42 AM PST US
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: IV just came on EBAY
>
> You can buy today and fly tomorrow ...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300075272740&ssPageNa
> me=ADME:B:SS:CA:1
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:54:26 AM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow, continued.
>
>
> Torgeir:
>
> First I understand that you are closing both wing shutoffs as an
> experiment.
> In flight only one valve at a time would ever be closed with the possible
> exception of an emergency.
>
> One of the things you seem to have missed is that one tank will have some
> pitot pressure on it from the forward facing cap. The other will have a
> partial vacuum from the lift on the wing. I think you are saying it
> depends
> on which tank has the lost cap as to how the loss of fuel and distribution
> of fuel will be accomplished. In that case I agree. However that
> difference may be minimal.
>
> You suggest a vent to both wings from the header tank. Why not cut on the
> amount of hose being used and just put a cross vent between the two tanks?
> And no vent at all from the header. Pressure difference between the two
> tanks (one will always be slightly higher than the other) will cause the
> header to purge air through one or the other fuel lines. Another point is
> when filling the wing tanks only one side will be filled at a time
> allowing
> the header tank to fill and purge air thorough the other fuel line. A
> cross
> vent will allow both wing tanks to feed fuel at any time as well as keep
> the
> air pressure on top of the fuel equal at all times.
>
> The reason I suggest this is there are certified aircraft flying today
> with
> just that set up.
>
> I like manual cameras, manual transmissions and fuel shut offs. I prefer
> to
> have the choice to control fuel flow during flight. That requires some
> sort of individual shut offs to be installed on the wing tanks.
>
> Others may not consider the that control of any value and prefer to fly
> without the shut offs. They may be right. They are right for themselves.
> I doubt they are for me.
>
> Noel
> Soon to install shut offs.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Torgeir Mortensen
>> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:02 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow, continued.
>>
>>
>> <torgemor@online.no>
>>
>> Well folks, this is hopefully an explanation of the problems
>> to be aware
>> of in our kind of fuel system.
>>
>> The header tank is filled by gravity, only - this is an
>> important thing to
>> remember!
>>
>> Let's assume that we are filling our right main tank with 5
>> gal. Both
>> tanks is equipped with a valve that is closed. The main that
>> goes from the
>> header to the gasculator is also closed.
>>
>> Well, -some notes is needed here, the fuel system here is the
>> same as the
>> one we started with, the one valid today. I've installed two
>> valves one
>> for each wing tank, this is to make it more easy to
>> understand as I'm sure
>> you agree that if both valves is open all the time the
>> functionality is
>> equal to the one recommended today.
>>
>> Now we have the right tank filled with 5 gal, both mains is
>> shut, now we
>> install a pressure device on both head tubes and pressurize
>> both tanks
>> with pressure equal to 100 Mi. Yes, we are on ground, but we
>> are trying to
>> simulate flight, both wing tanks AND the header tank is
>> pressurized (via
>> the vent line). Now we open the right main valve. Now, will
>> the fuel rush
>> down the line? No, the fuel will flow gently down the line by
>> the gravity
>> only. This is true as the header also is pressurized with
>> same pressure as
>> the two mains. This is the same as we are on ground with no
>> head pressure,
>> agree? The head pressure only make effect against the
>> carburetor float
>> camber as this camber is at the "true" static pressure.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then I've to let the cat out of the basket.
>>
>> The thing is, if you have a leakage that's causing filling of
>> the right
>> wing tank (and maybe some drop of fuel from here), you
>> "should" be able to
>> use all the fuel left in the right wing tank, this due to gravity.
>> However, if you have a leaky left hand tank gasket,
>> transferring all of
>> the fuel to the left side wing tank, -after unporting air will
>> continuously flow toward the left tank and avoiding much fuel
>> flow from
>> here. Therefore the header soon exhaust and your engine WILL
>> stop, and
>> your landing will be with the left wing tank full of fuel!
>>
>> Go figure. After all this discussion I'll hope that you're
>> able to figure
>> this.
>>
>> The correct solution here is to vent the header to BOTH wing tanks!
>>
>> This is something I've said MANY times here on the kitfox
>> list, -but after
>> Howard's incident -lately, I could not stop writing this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Torgeir.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:00:30 AM PST US
> From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: which paint
>
>
> Hey Joel,
> What kind of wax do you use on polytone?? Sorry didn't mean to
> change the subject.
> Roger Mac
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joel
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:26 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: which paint
>
>
> Hi Jerry,
> I used polytone because of it is easier to repair. Aerothane provides a
> glossier finish, but polytone with a coat of wax looks almost as shiny.
>
> --------
> Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90987#90987
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:37:14 AM PST US
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
> Regards,
> Deke
>
>
> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:44:47 AM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
> The Hipec fellow uses Ceconite as the fabric, I think my 1992 Denney Mod
> IV was originally covered in something other than Polyfiber fabric. I'm
> not sure what the factory shipped then but it's light and very tightly
> woven. The link to Hipec is here. http://hipec.falconaravia.com/ Prices
> in $Can and $ US are there. It sure uses a lot less coats. As far as rib
> sitching, Polyfiber recommends it, but that seems to be due to an
> abundance of liability lawyers. Whatever process I use, I'll use the
> full process recommended.
>
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dave
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
>
> Dave, It is kinda like the arguement about to rib stitch or not.
>
> You can even use other than aircraft paints if you prefer. Another
> arguement.
>
> Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had fabric
> separate from the ribs with no stitching.
>
> 1.7 cecontite is about 7or 8 $ a yard in Canada -- how does this
> compare with HIPEC?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> http://www.supercub.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=134061
>
> http://www.airtalk.org/any-info-on-hipec-no-rib-stitching-vt17520.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave G.
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:18 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
>
> I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec
> system for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information.
> It appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:47:33 AM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
> Just curious, I'm not aware that this has ever happenned on a 'fox let
> alone with any disasterous results. Do you know otherwise?
>
> Do not archive
> Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had fabric
> separate from the ribs with no stitching.
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:07:02 AM PST US
> From: "paul wilson" <pwmac@sisna.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow, continued.
>
>
> Kurt,
> I hesitate to insert any further comments on this discussion, BUT--
> We were never able to add check valves in our aerospace fluid (fuel)
> systems without
> a huge battle from the wise and more experienced engineers. The argument
> always centered on the fact that none of the various styles of check
> valves were
> reliable. It take a significant delta p to gaurentee operation with out
> leakage.
> Leakage is a matter of degree but why have one if it does no perform. The
> last nail in the coffen of adding these devices is that the added
> fittings
> and additional leak paths are just not worth the reduction in system
> reliability.
>
> Now here we have a Kitfox and fuel flow problems and reliability are
> paramount
> to keeping the plane in the air. The stock design of the Kitfox fuel
> system as
> 2 wing tanks and a header behind the seat with a shutoff valve & filter
> downstream
> of the header tank was well thought out by some very experienced and smart
> engineers. Tread lightly before assuming that one can change the design
> without
> lots of engineering and experience help.
>
> So what is one to do after hearing about these "dark stormy night"
> stories? First
> I can give some recommendations:
> 1) Make sure you're fuel system is really operating as designed. This
> means fresh
> tank cap seals that are tested to really seal. Make sure your check list
> says
> to verify caps are installed and pointing the correct direction.
> 2) Has the fuel hose routing changed since originally installed? No low
> spots or
> kinks.
> 3) Has the fuel filter been changed recently and how often should you
> change it?
>
> 4) Have you done recently cleaned your finger strainers?
> All these items affect fuel flow and cross flow.
>
> What did I do about the fuel system design? 1) I modified my fuel tank
> inlet to
> use the standard spam can flush filler caps and put the tank vent below
> the wing.
> Why? 1) because I wanted an o-ring seal for the tank cap and a flush
> apearance.
> I have always found that an o-ring will reliably make a seal whereas a
> flat gasket is somewhat uncertain. Just look and any modern auto and see
> the o-ring
> seal for the gas cap. 2) I made a judgement that the higher pressure below
> the wing would give more margin for fuel flow than the factory design.
> I have discussed my design with several engineers including the two guys
> responsible
> for the factory design and it all agree my design was better and much
> more costly. In fact at the time of Skystar demise the fuel system
> redesign would
> have included these features along with the items which are not mentioned
> here. I also have a 3/8" tube/hose system for more margin in pressure drop
> and
> have individual wing tank shutoff valves for ground maint. The 3/8" lines
> are
> good and recommended by the engineers I consulted with, but the valves
> have
> pros and cons. The larger valve size is necessary for reduce pressure drop
> but
> the extra leak paths is worrysome.
>
> As far as changing the vent-to tank line I still have the vent header to
> one tank.
> Cross feed is a function of the pressure and elevation difference between
> the two wing tanks. Correct these two things and you will NOT have cross
> feed.
> Cross feed problems can be fuel restrictions, cap seal, or vent
> restriction.
> Those items must be addressed. Elevation differences most likely are
> caused by
> pilot in flight or the parking area on the ground.
> In conclusion: Please do not add check valves. Be sure the fuel system is
> per
> the original design before flying. Mods to the factory design are not
> necessary.
>
> Regards, Paul
> =======================================
>
>
> I have been looking at the check valves myself. I
> think they need .5 psi to open, so they should be
> mounted at the header to ensure enough tank pressure
> for flow.
>
>
> Another consideration is a shutoff only on the left
> tank. That prevents cross flow, no chance of having
> both tanks closed, and the shutoff could be mounted
> where you see it when closed, but not open, just to
> remind you.
>
>
> With the right tank full, it can still feed thru the
> vent line, if the main line is shut off. After a bit
> this no longer applies, but the left tank is
> completely controllable thru the only line.
>
>
> Right now I use a hose clamp on one line or the other
> only, and in cruise only. I am listening to all of
> you for better ideas.
>
>
> Kurt S. S-5
>
>
> --- Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> At the risk of adding fuel to the embers of this
>> string (sorry), how about Andair check valves
>> instead of shut-offs at each wing tank? Wouldn't
>> that solve the problem of cross-fed, total fuel
>> depletion from one missing or loose cap, where
>> single tank isolation is not wanted or needed?
>
>
> _________________________________
> SISNA...more service, less money.
> http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:12:10 AM PST US
> From: "Tim Vader" <vadert@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
> Dave G.
>
> I covered my Classic IV with the Hipec system. I modified it
> slightly though in that I used the Attach Gloo and the Sun Barrier to
> attach the fabric (2.7 oz.Ceconite) to the airframe. After that dried I
> scuff sanded the Sun Barrier to provide a tooth to the surface and
> painted the plane with 1.3 HG Imron one part water based polyurethane
> paint. I chose the Imron because it has very low volatile organic
> compounds (VOCs). It is also very resistant to fuel and covers fabric,
> metal or fibreglass. It also has a very glossy lustre. The Sun Barrier
> was very easy to apply; just use a foam roller to fill the weave of the
> fabric. Use the Sun Barrier in a well ventilated room as it contains
> isocyanates just like some of the other covering methods. When I
> sprayed the Imron I just used a particulate mask. The Imron dries to a
> nice glossy lustre in about twenty minutes. Since covering in August
> 2005 I have tacked up a piece of finished fabric and my fence outside
> and have not noticed any loss of lustre or any other bad effects. I am
> very satisfied with the results. No finish tapes. One coat of sun
> barrier, one coat of Imron. About six gallons of total product used.
>
> Tim Vader
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave G.
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:18 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
>
> I have a friend who has been suggesting that I consider the Hipec
> system for recovering my wings. I have ordered his book and information.
> It appears to be a Canadian product. Has anyone got any experience??
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> 23/01/2007
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:42:03 AM PST US
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
> Dave, yes that was my point .
>
> I am not aware of and non stitched Kitfoxes with separation. Some choose
> to stitch and the other 90% seem to not have problems. I do in fact
> stand to be corrected though.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave G.
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>
>
> Just curious, I'm not aware that this has ever happenned on a 'fox let
> alone with any disasterous results. Do you know otherwise?
>
> Do not archive
> Then you can look at history of how many Kitfox alone have had
> fabric separate from the ribs with no stitching.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:49:40 AM PST US
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> Great News Deke !!
>
> I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this month!!!
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>>
>> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
>> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
>> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
>> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
>> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
>> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
>> Regards,
>> Deke
>>
>>
>> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:56:57 AM PST US
> From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> Hope that he has some pictures ,, I've always wanted to do the ski fly-in
> just never got it done
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> Great News Deke !!
>
> I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this month!!!
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>>
>> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
>> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
>> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
>> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
>> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
>> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
>> Regards,
>> Deke
>>
>>
>> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:04:43 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: which paint
> From: "Joel" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
>
>
> The folks at Spencer Aircraft, local Stitts dealers, suggested using a
> quality
> carnuba automobile wax. I'm using "Mothers" brand.
>
> --------
> Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91061#91061
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:07:04 AM PST US
> From: RRTRACK@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
> I was there at the Ski Fly-IN at Oshkosh on Saturday and saw maybe 30
> planes. Lots of Cubs and other certified aircraft. I left before Lynn
> arrived
> and
> wish I could have talked to him. There was a great turnout.
> Mark
> Wisconsin
> Kitfox V Vixen
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:18:48 AM PST US
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> Steve here are some pics here from one lasat year
> http://www.cfisher.com/mudlake.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>>
>> Hope that he has some pictures ,, I've always wanted to do the ski fly-in
>> just never got it done
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:49 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>>
>>
>>
>> Great News Deke !!
>>
>> I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this
>> month!!!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
>>> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
>>> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
>>> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
>>> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
>>> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
>>> Regards,
>>> Deke
>>>
>>>
>>> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:27:59 AM PST US
> From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> thanks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> Steve here are some pics here from one lasat year
> http://www.cfisher.com/mudlake.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
>>
>> Hope that he has some pictures ,, I've always wanted to do the ski fly-in
>> just never got it done
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:49 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>>
>>
>>
>> Great News Deke !!
>>
>> I think Lynn will get the Kitfox pilot on steroids award for this
>> month!!!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@i-star.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I received a phone call yesterday from Lynn Matteson to let me know
>>> that he arrived at Oshkosh safe and sound after about a six hour
>>> trip, including a fuel stop. He'll be heading home today going over
>>> the north side through Michigan's Upper Penninsula (not Canada) then
>>> straight south through Michigan back to his home near Jackson MI.
>>> He'll fill everybody in on the details when he gets home.
>>> Regards,
>>> Deke
>>>
>>>
>>> WebMail Express+ - http://www.i-star.com Internet Access from $7.95
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:50:46 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: which paint
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
> polytone is great to apply and looks fine if put on right. Now my only
> problem
> is the bottom, the exhaust puts yuk all over the bottom and it stains the
> polytone,
> I've never had to worry about doing repairs, I guess if I had a problem
> with landings and have bent parts this would be something to worry about,
> but
> anyway, I think the best solution is to clean the underneath real good and
> shoot
> it with urathane. If that goes fine just put it on the whole airplane,
> don't
> know, anybody have an answer for me on this problem I have?
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91068#91068
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:54:32 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: IV just came on EBAY
> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
> heavy little bugger. mine came in at 650 with grove gear.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91069#91069
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:01:18 AM PST US
> From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings/ rib separation
>
>
> Dave my undercambered Avid seperated on the bottom. The solution was to
> pressure the fabric back in place with the bristles of a shop broom, then
> inject Polytack with syringe. Been good for a year or more now. I used
> stainless staples on the Speedster. Ron NB Ore
>
>
>>From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coverings (again)
>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:41:13 -0500
>>
>>Dave, yes that was my point .
>>
>>I am not aware of and non stitched Kitfoxes with separation. Some choose
>>to
>>stitch and the other 90% seem to not have problems. I do in fact stand to
>>be corrected though.
>>
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:22:02 PM PST US
> From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tips for working with Hysol
>
> I need 'em. In my first experience with this stuff I've found it to be
> an evil unmanageable blob. I was attempting to repair my droop-style
> wingtip which was two pieces when I recieved it, figuring that was a
> good place to make friends with Hysol before gluing in the rear spar. I
> scooped out two equal sized dollops of black and white and mixed it on a
> sheet of stiff plastic. Ambient temp around 60 deg. I then made a 1"
> wide band around the bond line of the tip. and it's currently held with
> Cleco clamps and small woodworking clamp developing what I hope will be
> a lasting relationship.
>
> It is only thanks to about 10 pairs of Nitril gloves that I am not
> covered in this stuff and I am in doubts as to my ability to make those
> nice neat coves around the spar/rib joints when I attempt that. I need
> tips on how this is done, I'm sure there is something obvious that I'm
> missing.
>
> While I expect this might be of use to others, anyone wishing to spare
> the list can respond to occom@ns.sympatico.ca Thanks
>
> Do not archive
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:26:11 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow, continued.
> From: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
>
>
> Hi Noel,
>
> I'll put the answers in between lines below.
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:53:39 +0100, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Torgeir:
>>
>> First I understand that you are closing both wing shutoffs as an
>> experiment.
>
> Yes, the meaning was to isolate the system and show that the header tank
> is indeed filled by gravity only. This is true as the header is vented to
> the same pressure as the right main tank, since there is no pressure
> difference between them, the header will be filled by the gravity only
> -when you open the right wing tank valve.
> Sure this is an experiment that's only to be carried out on ground. But
> you know we can simulate exactly whats going on with the aircraft on
> ground, yes no risk here.
> Yes, you can add the pressure difference, run the engine and see for
> yourself -this is no magic pure physics.
>
>> In flight only one valve at a time would ever be closed with the possible
>> exception of an emergency.
>
> Of course you're right here, this is how my system is today -only
> difference I have a large header tank, almost a "panel tank". I'll always
> open the closed one, then I shut the other.
>
> With a true "cross vented" system those valves is really not needed, but
> for maintenance -and fuel management, they are a must.
>
>
>>
>> One of the things you seem to have missed is that one tank will have some
>> pitot pressure on it from the forward facing cap. The other will have a
>> partial vacuum from the lift on the wing. I think you are saying it
>> depends
>> on which tank has the lost cap as to how the loss of fuel and
>> distribution
>> of fuel will be accomplished. In that case I agree. However that
>> difference may be minimal.
>
> No I havent missed the head pressure, but you're right this pressure is
> very low(in absolute value), compared to the low pressure over the wing.
> One other thing, I've avoided to use the word vacuum, thou everyone of us
> understand this. In the physics vacuum is zero pressure, -as out in the
> space. The pressure we're living in is approx. 14.7 lbs. or ~1 BAR. So
> absolute pressure is the one with reference to zero pressure (the space).
>
> Even an aircraft without the head (pitot) pressure, would experience the
> same thing.
>
> The flow either way is about the same in numbers if the right or the left
> tank cap has the same amount of leakage, but the BIG difference is that
> the header is not filled by the gravity if we have a "certain" leakage at
> the LEFT fuel cap. Here you will have a full left fuel tank, but the fuel
> cant flow to the header due to the air flow upward in the fuel line all
> the time.
>
> If you look at the opposite leakage, leakage at the right cap, this
> airflow will go through the vent line and the fuel will flow in the fuel
> line as proposed to be.
>
> Yes, it is here those engineers have missed!
>
> So crossed vented tanks tied down to the header is the cure, or, -the fix.
>
>>
>> You suggest a vent to both wings from the header tank. Why not cut on
>> the
>> amount of hose being used and just put a cross vent between the two
>> tanks?
>> And no vent at all from the header. Pressure difference between the two
>> tanks (one will always be slightly higher than the other) will cause the
>> header to purge air through one or the other fuel lines. Another point
>> is
>> when filling the wing tanks only one side will be filled at a time
>> allowing
>> the header tank to fill and purge air thorough the other fuel line. A
>> cross
>> vent will allow both wing tanks to feed fuel at any time as well as keep
>> the
>> air pressure on top of the fuel equal at all times.
>
>
> Sure Noel, you're right here, and I'll like to add; this exactly according
> to a drawing I'll made for this list many years ago, showing both wing
> tanks crossvented with a T connection down to the header tank. I don't
> know if the sportflight's photo share is working, but sure this drawing is
> there.
>
>
>>
>> The reason I suggest this is there are certified aircraft flying today
>> with
>> just that set up.
>>
>
> :)
>
>> I like manual cameras, manual transmissions and fuel shut offs. I
>> prefer to
>> have the choice to control fuel flow during flight. That requires some
>> sort of individual shut offs to be installed on the wing tanks.
>>
>> Others may not consider the that control of any value and prefer to fly
>> without the shut offs. They may be right. They are right for
>> themselves.
>> I doubt they are for me.
>
> I could have been write the same thing myself..
>
>>
>> Noel
>> Soon to install shut offs.
>>
>
> Hoping this may clear up things.
>
> Cheers
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:50:39 PM PST US
> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition pickup
>
> Floyd,
>
> What is the part number for that pickup?
>
> Does Jay have a website? What are the dimensions of the radiator he has?
>
> Mike
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:47 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition pickup
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> No, it's Electromotive.com. The pickup I refered to is actually wedge
> shapped on the trigger wheel end, as opposed to the original pickup which
> had a flat end. It fits into the same NSI collar.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael <mailto:michael.logan@cox.net> Logan
> Sent: 1/27/2007 9:14:24 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
>
>
> Should that be directignition.com? They are located about 50 miles north
> of
> here in Manassas, VA. I have talked to them a number of times and they
> are
> very helpful. I am not sure what you mean by the wedge shaped pickup. Is
> it a crank mount? If it is, what did you use for mounting the parts?
>
> I still have the NSI system in my hangar but I am using the Real World
> Solutions ignition and injector system with the NSI ignition pickups. The
> NSI system has the toothed wheel attached to the flywheel end of the crank
> and the sensors are attached to the inside of the "bell housing."
>
> Mike
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:44 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
>
>
> I'm currently using the new Electromotive WEDGE SHAPED pickup. It is much
> more precise.
> I can get the part number for you, or you can go to ELECTROMOTIVE.COM and
> find it.
> They have a complete manual for the ignition modules which you can
> download.
> It has all
> the information you would need for troubleshooting etc. Be sure to
> download
> the one for your
> particular module. Floyd
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael <mailto:michael.logan@cox.net> Logan
> Sent: 1/26/2007 7:13:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
>
>
> Floyd,
>
> What are you using for the pickups on the ignition now that you have gone
> to
> one module?
>
> Mike
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:07 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Engine help.
>
>
> For you pilots flying behind NSI EA 81 engines who are having problems, I
> have a reference to help you.
> Jay Roese in the Rochester, New York area solved my multitude of NSI
> Engine
> problems. I highly
> recommend him. He has agreed to talk to anyone who needs his expertise. He
> has an extensive background
> with Subaru engines and builds racing engines a well as rebuilds engines
> for
> car dealers. I now have a SMOOOOOTH
> running Subaru engine in my MOD IV Kitfox, thanks to Jay. This not meant
> in
> any way as an advertisement, only as a help for those NSI engine owners
> who
> are having problems.
>
> His E-Mail addrss is: phatbasstrd@rochester.rr.com
> His Cell #: 1-585-729-5098
>
>
> Floyd Johnson
> kitfox69@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
> "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
> "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:58:11 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Gone for a while
>
>
> Off list for a week or so,be back. Larry Huntley
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:04:18 PM PST US
> From: jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: which paint
>
> Thanks for the reply this brings out a another question . Did people not
> rib stitch?
> I maybe new at this but, that what I'm tolded, to rib stitch
>
> jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Can anyone tell me what
> is the
> best paint to use over stits I'm doing over dacron for my m2 , should I
> use polytone
> or aerothane or classic aero ?
>
>
> Jerry Evans
> kitfox 555
>
>
> Jerry Evans
> kitfox 555
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:11:53 PM PST US
> From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tips for working with Hysol
>
> Dave,
> My first date with Hysol was a bit unsetteling as well. After playing
> with sticks
> and trying to spread the stuff neatly (never happened)...I tried using
> sandwich
> size zip-lock baggies and snipping the corner. It's almost like welding
> now as I squeeze the line of Hysol where I want it. This turned the Hysol
> experience
> around for me and I can place the stuff in tight spaces.
> Dan, Mesa AZ
>
> "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I need 'em. In my first experience with this stuff I've found it
> to be
> an evil unmanageable blob. I was attempting to repair my droop-style
> wingtip
> which was two pieces when I recieved it, figuring that was a good place to
> make
> friends with Hysol before gluing in the rear spar. I scooped out two
> equal
> sized dollops of black and white and mixed it on a sheet of stiff plastic.
> Ambient
> temp around 60 deg. I then made a 1" wide band around the bond line of the
> tip. and it's currently held with Cleco clamps and small woodworking clamp
> developing what I hope will be a lasting relationship.
>
> It is only thanks to about 10 pairs of Nitril gloves that I am not
> covered in
> this stuff and I am in doubts as to my ability to make those nice neat
> coves
> around the spar/rib joints when I attempt that. I need tips on how this is
> done,
> I'm sure there is something obvious that I'm missing.
>
> While I expect this might be of use to others, anyone wishing to spare
> the list
> can respond to occom@ns.sympatico.ca Thanks
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:56:58 PM PST US
> From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Cross Flow Test
>
>
> All,
> I ran a simple fuel cross flow test today. I was nearly empty,
> with about 3 gallons in each 13 gallon wing tank. I then filled the right
> tank, (with vent,) with 9.3 gallons of fuel and started my timer. It took
> about 23 minutes for the two tanks to equilibrate. I have 3/8" fuel lines,
> mostly aluminum. OAT was about 60F. Fuel was 100LL, no oil, no TCP.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:53:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tips for working with Hysol
> From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>
> That baggy tip is maybe the best tip you'll get. Also, dip your gloved
> fingers
> in some denatured alcohol before you touch it. You can push it around and
> shape
> it just like factory with no sticking to the gloves. A little flox mixed
> in helps it hold its shape. It doesn't take as much flox as the old 3M
> stuff
> does.
>
> I used 3m when I built my plane. Then I had to build a new wing and
> Skystar was
> supplying Hysol by that time. The Hysol is much easier.
> Tom Jones
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91193#91193
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:54:36 PM PST US
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Skii Flyin Ontario Feb 10
>
> For anyone interested ......... btw -- where is Gary Algate ? He is
> right
> near this place.
> I flew in last year --pics here http://www.cfisher.com/mudlake.htm
>
> February 10, Penetanguishene, ON: COPA Flight 73's annual ski fly-in and
> BBQ
> is taking place at St. Andrews (Mud) Lake. Date is tentative for ice and
> weather consideration. Event will move to Sunday 11th if necessary due to
> adverse conditions and even weekend to weekend as necessary to hold the
> event. Start 10 a.m. and BBQ from 11a.m. 'till noon. Ending when the last
> guys toes get cold! Lake is located 0.75 Miles East of Town Water Tower
> and
> 1 Mile South of the Mental Health Centre. 0.75 miles West of N44-47-906
> W79-53-434 n/a Irish Field. For more information contact Paul Turner at
> 705-322-1149, Bruce Tinney at 705-526-6019 or email turnerpontiac@aol.ca.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel System Questions |
Guys,
I just bought a KitFox, and I'm going through and
checking/cleaning/maintaining everything that I can before spring.
--How do you clean/remove/maintain the "finger filters" in the tank?
-- On the gascolator, is there supposed to be a filter screen in there?
Mine is just an empty can. The gascolator on my tractors is a glass
"sump", but it also has a filter screen on the top.
Thanks!
Nick
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Mike,
I did some measuring and investigation and came up with some answers.
The new radiator is 2 1/2 inches deep, as opposed to the 2 inches of the NSI design.
In addition, this is a state of the art internal core, which provides much
improved cooling. All other dimensions are equal, including where the inlet
and outlet are
located. An important note: the hose from the outlet at the top of the radiator
has to go to the pump, to work properly. You will need to make two simple brackets
to mount it. Seeing as the radiator is deeper, the mounting holes are further
back.
If you go with a new radiator, I can send you some photos of my mounting.
Now, the ignition pickup. Part number 250-72212 chisel point, 3/8 inch diameter.
It will fit right in the NSI mount. It must be on the right side as you face
the engine. The gap is .020>>.050. Mine is set .030 and performs OK. It
is a chore to set the gap.
I drilled a 1/4 inch hole in the mount so I could slide a piece of shim stock in
place to set the gap.
Jay does not have a website, but I'm going to copy him in on this. Give him a
call if you have any questions because he is the expert, I'm only the grunt with
the airplane. Regards, Floyd
Floyd Johnson
kitfox69@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people consider
stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain too
intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or Avids
?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed when
you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the failure
of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people consider
stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain too
intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Ditto!
It took me a while to get the knot figured out working from the Polyfiber
book, but it was fun and I too am glad I did it.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Walmsley
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: stitching ribs
I stitched mine.
I'm glad I did.
It was fun and educational.
Took a day and a half to do both wings.
I would suggest not using the flat cord.
--------
Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: IV just came on EBAY |
it will be interesting to watch what this good looking airplane sells for.
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
I built and flew an Avid Aerobat without the rib stitching and never had any
problems in ten years even with the high G's. But when I built my STOL wings
I rib stitched them and I would again because of the under camber wing
design. Not hard to do and can only be done at time of covering.
Mark
Wisconsin
Avid STOL 582
Kitfox Vixen 912 UL
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| Subject: | I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh |
Hi gang-
I made it back this morning after too many nights in motels...was
fun, but good to be back.
I'll post a loooong story, and you can read it or not depending on
you thirst for details.
Initial numbers...943 miles in just under 12 hours flying time, for a
79 mph average, but that contains an error where the GPS did not
report a stop that I made...don't know why...probably was on internal
battery power...gotta look into that.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
I'm gonna call Sean Elliot to see if they will post the number of
planes that showed up...when I got there, there were about 4 planes
left, mine being one of them.
Lynn
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On Jan 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, RRTRACK@aol.com wrote:
> I was there at the Ski Fly-IN at Oshkosh on Saturday and saw maybe
> 30 planes. Lots of Cubs and other certified aircraft. I left before
> Lynn arrived and wish I could have talked to him. There was a great
> turnout.
> Mark
> Wisconsin
> Kitfox V Vixen
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh |
Lynn, Glad to hear that your are home.
My GPS does not log time while flying at low altitutde....I think under 500
agl
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh
>
> Hi gang-
> I made it back this morning after too many nights in motels...was fun,
> but good to be back.
> I'll post a loooong story, and you can read it or not depending on you
> thirst for details.
> Initial numbers...943 miles in just under 12 hours flying time, for a 79
> mph average, but that contains an error where the GPS did not report a
> stop that I made...don't know why...probably was on internal battery
> power...gotta look into that.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
I rib stitched mine, and I guess it was mainly for piece of mine. I can't see
the top of the wing and I do get a little radical in my flying, one less thing
to think about. On the lacing I gave up on the multi knot and went with individual
knots down the rib, went real fast once I did that.
--------
kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Fuel System Questions |
Hi Nick,
I had this exact issue on my original gascolator when I bought my plane.
Aircraft Spruce (probably other, as well) has the screens for a few $. I
replaced it, and then never used it.
If you check around, you'll find you want a 100 Micron filter (maximum) in
your system. This will stop anything above the diameter of a human hair
(about 90 microns at their largest). If you're running fuel injection,
you'll need a 10 micron filter prior to the injector.
No issue with the gascolator screens or most other filters, but most are not
marked with any rating at all, so be careful when shopping around.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Scholtes
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Questions
Guys,
I just bought a KitFox, and I'm going through and
checking/cleaning/maintaining everything that I can before spring.
--How do you clean/remove/maintain the "finger filters" in the tank?
-- On the gascolator, is there supposed to be a filter screen in there?
Mine is just an empty can. The gascolator on my tractors is a glass
"sump", but it also has a filter screen on the top.
Thanks!
Nick
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Also stitched and glad. I used round because I heard it was easier. Once I got
into it and it became easy, I thought maybe flat next time for the cleaner look.
Why not flat in your opinion?
Maxwell in Georgia S6/TD/IO240
Brett Walmsley <n93hj@comcast.net> wrote:
I stitched mine.
I'm glad I did.
It was fun and educational.
Took a day and a half to do both wings.
I would suggest not using the flat cord.
--------
Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching. However, I
do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top outboard)
that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a small
amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in stress
not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the rib
cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that the
joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break
first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends
rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening
between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or
Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed when
you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the
failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people consider
stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain too
intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Don ,
What did the former companies reco-mend ?
denney ,skystar, avid, and now Sportplanes ?
Show me where they separate and I will think about stitching. To me
there really is little evidence that it is needed with the wide capstrip
that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less width
catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching. However,
I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top outboard)
that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a small
amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in stress
not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the rib
cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that the
joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break
first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends
rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening
between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or
Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed
when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the
failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people
consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain
too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Don, I should have added that perhaps the faster Kitfoxes might be "more
prone" to needing stitching that cruise over 130 mph but certainly not
the majority of them have not proven that is is needed to be done. but
Like I sais I certainly stand to be corrected.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching. However,
I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top outboard)
that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a small
amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in stress
not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the rib
cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that the
joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break
first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends
rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening
between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or
Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed
when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the
failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people
consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain
too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
Hi,
I was there directing traffic. The final count was twenty airplanes and a
whole lot of cars. Jim Casper who works the event said he had never seen so
many people drive in. It was a good turn out. Very fine airplanes.
Mark, were you one of the late arrivals that got to park near the hangar.
You probably missed out on the chili.
Lyle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
I'm gonna call Sean Elliot to see if they will post the number of
planes that showed up...when I got there, there were about 4 planes
left, mine being one of them.
Lynn
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On Jan 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, RRTRACK@aol.com wrote:
> I was there at the Ski Fly-IN at Oshkosh on Saturday and saw maybe
> 30 planes. Lots of Cubs and other certified aircraft. I left before
> Lynn arrived and wish I could have talked to him. There was a great
> turnout.
> Mark
> Wisconsin
> Kitfox V Vixen
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh |
I got there about 1:15 Wisconsin time...chili was gone, but the soup
was good.
Lynn
On Jan 29, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Lyle Peterson wrote:
> <lyleap@comcast.net>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was there directing traffic. The final count was twenty
> airplanes and a
> whole lot of cars. Jim Casper who works the event said he had
> never seen so
> many people drive in. It was a good turn out. Very fine airplanes.
>
> Mark, were you one of the late arrivals that got to park near the
> hangar.
> You probably missed out on the chili.
>
> Lyle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:10 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn's ski trip to Oshkosh
>
>
> I'm gonna call Sean Elliot to see if they will post the number of
> planes that showed up...when I got there, there were about 4 planes
> left, mine being one of them.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Jan 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, RRTRACK@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I was there at the Ski Fly-IN at Oshkosh on Saturday and saw maybe
>> 30 planes. Lots of Cubs and other certified aircraft. I left before
>> Lynn arrived and wish I could have talked to him. There was a great
>> turnout.
>> Mark
>> Wisconsin
>> Kitfox V Vixen
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
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Hi NSI Subaru drivers:
I made a fixture that I use to set the mag pickups to assure a .040" gap. If
you send your NSI "horse shoe" pickup holder and new sensors, I would be
happy to set the sensor for you. I can also furnish the sensor.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Floyd Johnson
Sent: Monday, 29 January, 2007 12:15
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition Pickup
Mike,
I did some measuring and investigation and came up with some answers.
The new radiator .........
Now, the ignition pickup. Part number 250-72212 chisel point, 3/8 inch
diameter. It will fit right in the NSI mount. It must be on the right side
as you face the engine. The gap is .020>>.050. Mine is set .030 and
performs OK. It is a chore to set the gap.
I drilled a 1/4 inch hole in the mount so I could slide a piece of shim
stock in place to set the gap.
Jay does not have a website, but I'm going to copy him in on this. Give
him a call if you have any questions because he is the expert, I'm only the
grunt with the airplane. Regards, Floyd
Floyd Johnson
kitfox69@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh |
At one point, after leaving Oshkosh on Sunday, I pulled my GPS power
plug from the cigar lighter, and inserted my cell phone charger. The
GPS went into internal battery mode. I stopped at for about 45
minutes to warm up a bit, and the GPS apparently did not stop
counting time, as it did not show the stop at a charted airport. The
track function, however, shows that I stopped, or at least circled
the field. I did stop there for about 45 minutes, met some nice
folks, saw a Model I, II, or III Kitfox (I don't know them all by
sight, but it had the short tail, droop tips, small carry-through
spars, small struts, and plywood flaperon hinge horns), and then took
off again. My GPS shows that I flew for 5.4 hours until I stopped,
and I can assure you that I didn't.
Lynn
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p.s. my GPS doesn't start logging the trip until 500' agl.
On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:20 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Lynn, Glad to hear that your are home.
> My GPS does not log time while flying at low altitutde....I think
> under 500 agl
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh |
On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:20 PM, dave wrote:
> My GPS does not log time while flying at low altitutde....I think
> under 500 agl
Can your GPS find ground level, Dave?
Lynn, looking forward to your full PIREP with photos.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back into one.
see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web site
http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just said,
"rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best
procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL" for rb
lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL". They want
you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about stitching. To me
there really is little evidence that it is needed with the wide capstrip
that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less width
catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said show me, I
did. I don't need failure evidence. I just follow the Manufacture
recommended procedure. In this case the Manufacture is Poly Fiber not
Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering and how to install it.
Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't argue an exact
airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That is a
foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching.
However, I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top
outboard) that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a
small amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in
stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the
rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that
the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break
first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends
rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening
between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or
Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed
when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the
failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people
consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain
too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting
?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in Note on LSA as well |
That's kinda dumb, because the reason for the Sport Pilot ticket is
partially to avoid having to have a 3rd class medical...(is that a
"cat 3 or 4 medical"?)
Lynn
On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:25 AM, dave wrote:
> "The plane can come in if he asks permission beforehand. It is not
> an automatic online admossion like for amateur-builts, but they
> will not refuse the plane. The minimum US license currently
> accepted by Ottawa is the Private. There will be a meeting with the
> FAA in May at which this might be relaxed to accept the Sport Pilot
> ticket if it is validated by a category 3 or 4 medical "
>
> Hope this helps ,
>
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in |
Thanks, Michel...I flew all the way over there for a good snow
landing and could have done almost without the skis...but the trip
was what it was all about, and seeing some other examples of skis.
But with only 4 planes there when I got there, there wasn't much to
choose from. : ) And thanks for the pictures of your skis, as they
helped me to build mine.
Lynn
On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 2:57 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>> Bon Voyage Lynn.
>
> Yep, bon voyage, Lynn! I went flying today. A bit of snow here but
> it will rain tomorrow. I can't be bothered to put my skis
> on ...yet. Winter Norway is no longer what it used to be! :-)
>
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Don, Thanks fo the info. What does sportplane recomend?
I would tend to think that there is nothing wrong with or with-out
stitching.
I have no trouble flying without stitching. And remeber Poly fibrre is
most likely being over cautious for liability reasoning.
I don't think that if you not stitched that there is any case for alarm
at all.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back into one.
see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web site
http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just said,
"rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best
procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL" for rb
lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL". They want
you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about stitching. To
me there really is little evidence that it is needed with the wide
capstrip that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less width
catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said show me,
I did. I don't need failure evidence. I just follow the Manufacture
recommended procedure. In this case the Manufacture is Poly Fiber not
Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering and how to install it.
Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't argue an exact
airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That is a
foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching.
However, I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top
outboard) that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a
small amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in
stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the
rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that
the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break
first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends
rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening
between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox
or Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is
formed when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the
failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people
consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain
too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc
lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh |
YUP , I think it goes from point of departure ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh
>
> On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:20 PM, dave wrote:
>> My GPS does not log time while flying at low altitutde....I think
>> under 500 agl
>
> Can your GPS find ground level, Dave?
>
> Lynn, looking forward to your full PIREP with photos.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in Note on LSA as well |
Lynn in Canada There are several medicals here. They are all dumb but if
you not fit to fly I guess they saying stay away. But if you fit to drive
you can drive ? LOL
CAT 1 for commerical, ATR , instructors which u used to have till i
turned 40 then i downgradd to PP and a
CAT 3 to avoid the 6 month medicals,ekg etc.
CAT 3 is private pilot every 2 years after 40 which i get now.
CAT 4 is for -recreational license ( like Private but limited)
- ULtralights
So we do not have a category for drviers license medicals and that is why if
you do not havea Aviation medical that it is Illegal to fly in Canada at
this point from USA in LSA category. Although they seemed to be failry
relazed on that issue and it might change in the near future.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in Note on LSA as well
>
> That's kinda dumb, because the reason for the Sport Pilot ticket is
> partially to avoid having to have a 3rd class medical...(is that a "cat 3
> or 4 medical"?)
>
> Lynn
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:25 AM, dave wrote:
>
>> "The plane can come in if he asks permission beforehand. It is not an
>> automatic online admossion like for amateur-builts, but they will not
>> refuse the plane. The minimum US license currently accepted by Ottawa is
>> the Private. There will be a meeting with the FAA in May at which this
>> might be relaxed to accept the Sport Pilot ticket if it is validated by
>> a category 3 or 4 medical "
>>
>> Hope this helps ,
>>
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm ba...aaack! Home from Oshkosh |
Coming up, Michel. I've got about 67 pictures, a lot of which are of
my instrument panel showing the -4 F OAT temp. I had spent several
flights just trying to see a minus sign show up there, and after
spending far too long at -6, I don't need to see that for quite a
while.
Lynn
do not archive
On Jan 29, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:20 PM, dave wrote:
>> My GPS does not log time while flying at low altitutde....I think
>> under 500 agl
>
> Can your GPS find ground level, Dave?
>
> Lynn, looking forward to your full PIREP with photos.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Nick:
I can't speak regarding the filters in the wing tanks. I've wondered the
same thing myself. Regarding the gascolator, the screen is up inside the
top part rather than in the removable bowl portion. At least it was on my
Fox.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Scholtes" <Nick@Scholtes1.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel System Questions
>
> Guys,
>
> I just bought a KitFox, and I'm going through and
> checking/cleaning/maintaining everything that I can before spring.
>
> --How do you clean/remove/maintain the "finger filters" in the tank?
> -- On the gascolator, is there supposed to be a filter screen in there?
> Mine is just an empty can. The gascolator on my tractors is a glass
> "sump", but it also has a filter screen on the top.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing |
G'day Colin, great news. I bet there were times when you thought there was
no light at the end of the tunnel. Now the hard work is finished and the fun
begins. I didnt rib stitch mine either and it seems fine. Keep us posted
with the fabric progress.
Regards
Graeme
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----- Original Message -----
From: "colind" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing
>
> Hi folks!
>
> At last something to get excited about. Mick Edmonds (ex CASA) our local
> RAAus inspector did the final "pre-closure" inspection on KF 9407-0042
> ("Ralph") today, and passed it without hesitation. Onward to the challenge
> of fabric.
>
> Its been a lot of fun getting to this point, but its taken so much longer
> than we originally planned (18mths so far).
>
> I've done a few experiments with puting fabric on the landing gear struts,
> which proved to be very enlightening, and encouraging. The first attempt
> was pretty awfull, but the second attempt was much better. I certainly
> have appreciated perusing the various comments made on the list on this
> topic over the last few months. Rib-stitching?? - haven't decided yet, but
> seem to be moving towards no stitching.
>
> For those interested, I have attached a few pics of the work done so far.
> They're a mix of views from various stages of work, but give you some idea
> of what's been done so far.
>
> Included are pics of: the cabin heater (#944) and the heater control valve
> (#020); Engine (#027) with some of the piping and misc bits fitted; Rudder
> (#011) and Vertical Fin (#012); some of the wiring looms (#933), the
> electrical tray behind the I/Panel (#953); Static chamber and cargo bay
> floor plate (#958); cockpit and centre console (#951). I'll split the pics
> up over a couple of emails to limit the size.
>
> Hope its not too long before I can show you a covered airframe.
>
> Regards
>
> --------
> Colin Durey
> Sydney
> +61-418-677073
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91249#91249
>
>
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> --
> 28/01/2007
>
>
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| Subject: | KF4 '94-0042 Progressing |
Is there a problem with rib stitching or is it that you just don't want ( or
need )to do it. it really doesn't take that long.,,,,just a question
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing
G'day Colin, great news. I bet there were times when you thought there was
no light at the end of the tunnel. Now the hard work is finished and the fun
begins. I didnt rib stitch mine either and it seems fine. Keep us posted
with the fabric progress.
Regards
Graeme
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "colind" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing
>
> Hi folks!
>
> At last something to get excited about. Mick Edmonds (ex CASA) our local
> RAAus inspector did the final "pre-closure" inspection on KF 9407-0042
> ("Ralph") today, and passed it without hesitation. Onward to the challenge
> of fabric.
>
> Its been a lot of fun getting to this point, but its taken so much longer
> than we originally planned (18mths so far).
>
> I've done a few experiments with puting fabric on the landing gear struts,
> which proved to be very enlightening, and encouraging. The first attempt
> was pretty awfull, but the second attempt was much better. I certainly
> have appreciated perusing the various comments made on the list on this
> topic over the last few months. Rib-stitching?? - haven't decided yet, but
> seem to be moving towards no stitching.
>
> For those interested, I have attached a few pics of the work done so far.
> They're a mix of views from various stages of work, but give you some idea
> of what's been done so far.
>
> Included are pics of: the cabin heater (#944) and the heater control valve
> (#020); Engine (#027) with some of the piping and misc bits fitted; Rudder
> (#011) and Vertical Fin (#012); some of the wiring looms (#933), the
> electrical tray behind the I/Panel (#953); Static chamber and cargo bay
> floor plate (#958); cockpit and centre console (#951). I'll split the pics
> up over a couple of emails to limit the size.
>
> Hope its not too long before I can show you a covered airframe.
>
> Regards
>
> --------
> Colin Durey
> Sydney
> +61-418-677073
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91249#91249
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/951_129.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/944_667.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/933_211.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/938_412.jpg
>
>
> --
> 28/01/2007
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Dave,
Who is sportplane and what do they have to do with Poly Fiber
procedures? As far as Poly Fiber being over cautious, that is the side
I would follow for life critical aircraft components. If you don't want
to rib lace, fine. There are more reasons to rib lace than not. It is
the builders choice.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, Thanks fo the info. What does sportplane recomend?
I would tend to think that there is nothing wrong with or with-out
stitching.
I have no trouble flying without stitching. And remeber Poly fibrre
is most likely being over cautious for liability reasoning.
I don't think that if you not stitched that there is any case for
alarm at all.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back into
one. see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web site
http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just said,
"rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best
procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL" for rb
lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL". They want
you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about stitching.
To me there really is little evidence that it is needed with the wide
capstrip that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less
width catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said show
me, I did. I don't need failure evidence. I just follow the
Manufacture recommended procedure. In this case the Manufacture is Poly
Fiber not Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering and how to
install it. Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't argue
an exact airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That is
a foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching.
However, I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top
outboard) that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a
small amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in
stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the
rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that
the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the
joint/glue/break first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber
highly recommends rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a
mechanical fastening between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on
Kitfox or Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is
formed when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear
the failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people
consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain
too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc
lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Skystar said riblacing optional and riblaced the factory demonstrators that I saw.
My polyfiber book specifically said it did not if the cap strips were 1 inch
wide. There needed to be a mechanical fastener. It is not difficult or terribly
time consuming.
I will never wish that I had not riblaced.
Somebody, some day might wish they had.
Maxwell in Georgia S6/TD/IO240
Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back into one. see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web site http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just said, "rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL" for rb lacing.
Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL". They want you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about stitching. To me there
really is little evidence that it is needed with the wide capstrip that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less width catstrip
and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said show me, I did. I
don't need failure evidence. I just follow the Manufacture recommended procedure.
In this case the Manufacture is Poly Fiber not Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed
the fabric covering and how to install it. Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their
product. I can't argue an exact airspeed where rib lacing or not will save
your bacon. That is a foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching. However, I do
recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top outboard) that came loose
in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a small amount of glue and very
small staples. The glue is holding in stress not shear. I do not recall
seeing a fillet at the joint of the rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while.
I would strongly suggest that the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break first/break
second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends rib lacing on their
product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening between the top and bottom
rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the failure of the
plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people consider stitching
either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain too intimidating. None
of these reasons are true once you get into the stitching process. "Reasons To
Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did not consider stitching an option but,
considered it absolutely necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several
occasions back when I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an
"OPTION". Poly Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
Hi Nick.
On my Fox, those finger strainers just screw out of the boss glued to the tank.
Mesh on those is big enough to catch dead mice but not much else. As for the
gascolator, if its the ACS homebuilder's model, screen (very fine mesh) is in
the top, not the removeable bowl. I have the Pureolator glass filters in each
line from tank to header. They catch everything (hopefully) that gets past the
finger strainers.
Nick Scholtes <Nick@Scholtes1.com> wrote:
Guys,
I just bought a KitFox, and I'm going through and
checking/cleaning/maintaining everything that I can before spring.
--How do you clean/remove/maintain the "finger filters" in the tank?
-- On the gascolator, is there supposed to be a filter screen in there?
Mine is just an empty can. The gascolator on my tractors is a glass
"sump", but it also has a filter screen on the top.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing |
The system I used included 1" rib caps and I ensured that when I applied the
cloth that the glue came through the cloth weave quite heavily. I am
satisfied that with the speeds I fly that it will safely remain in place.
Also the brochure I recieved with the system clearly stated that rib
stitching was optional below certain speeds. I cant remember exactly what
they were but they were well above what I fly at. Its caused some
discussion in the past and Im sure will continue to into the future. Im
happy :) with my choice.
Regards
Graeme Toft
----- Original Message -----
From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing
>
> Is there a problem with rib stitching or is it that you just don't want
> ( or
> need )to do it. it really doesn't take that long.,,,,just a question
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of QSS
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing
>
>
>
> G'day Colin, great news. I bet there were times when you thought there was
> no light at the end of the tunnel. Now the hard work is finished and the
> fun
> begins. I didnt rib stitch mine either and it seems fine. Keep us posted
> with the fabric progress.
>
> Regards
> Graeme
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "colind" <colin@ptclhk.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: KF4 '94-0042 Progressing
>
>
>>
>> Hi folks!
>>
>> At last something to get excited about. Mick Edmonds (ex CASA) our local
>> RAAus inspector did the final "pre-closure" inspection on KF 9407-0042
>> ("Ralph") today, and passed it without hesitation. Onward to the
>> challenge
>> of fabric.
>>
>> Its been a lot of fun getting to this point, but its taken so much longer
>> than we originally planned (18mths so far).
>>
>> I've done a few experiments with puting fabric on the landing gear
>> struts,
>> which proved to be very enlightening, and encouraging. The first attempt
>> was pretty awfull, but the second attempt was much better. I certainly
>> have appreciated perusing the various comments made on the list on this
>> topic over the last few months. Rib-stitching?? - haven't decided yet,
>> but
>> seem to be moving towards no stitching.
>>
>> For those interested, I have attached a few pics of the work done so far.
>> They're a mix of views from various stages of work, but give you some
>> idea
>> of what's been done so far.
>>
>> Included are pics of: the cabin heater (#944) and the heater control
>> valve
>> (#020); Engine (#027) with some of the piping and misc bits fitted;
>> Rudder
>> (#011) and Vertical Fin (#012); some of the wiring looms (#933), the
>> electrical tray behind the I/Panel (#953); Static chamber and cargo bay
>> floor plate (#958); cockpit and centre console (#951). I'll split the
>> pics
>> up over a couple of emails to limit the size.
>>
>> Hope its not too long before I can show you a covered airframe.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --------
>> Colin Durey
>> Sydney
>> +61-418-677073
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91249#91249
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/951_129.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/944_667.jpg
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/938_412.jpg
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 28/01/2007
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 28/01/2007
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions=finger strainer |
The finger strainers unscrew from the fitting in the tank (pipe threads). Empty
the tank, disconnect the fittings and fuel hose then wrench out the finger strainer.
Some builders forget to have make break connection and just use hose
barbs on the unit. Then the hose usually would have to be cut off. Not a bad thing
since hoses are probably need replacement at the same time frame as cleaning
the screen. The best way would be to use a short beaded tube from the screen
which would not require cutting the hose. The use of an AN fitting would be
more professional but I discarded that method due to space limitations.
The purpose of a finger strainer is the same as the sock on the fuel suction line
in your auto tank. The main difference is that a finger strainer has much smaller
area compared to your auto sock. The prime purpose of a suction or tank
outlet filter is to catch stuff that could plug the outlet line. Things like
leaves or other imagined items bigger than the 3/8" outlet.
Have fun, Paul
=================
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Sportplane -- I mean John McBean
Poly fiber is asbsolutly being careful for liability reasons. no doubt
about that.
Personally it is a choice, but then again so is a BRS chute ......in a
Kitfox I don;t see the need for either.
I won't fly in a plane that needs a parachute unless it strapped to
myself when a test pilot.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
Who is sportplane and what do they have to do with Poly Fiber
procedures? As far as Poly Fiber being over cautious, that is the side
I would follow for life critical aircraft components. If you don't want
to rib lace, fine. There are more reasons to rib lace than not. It is
the builders choice.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, Thanks fo the info. What does sportplane recomend?
I would tend to think that there is nothing wrong with or with-out
stitching.
I have no trouble flying without stitching. And remeber Poly fibrre
is most likely being over cautious for liability reasoning.
I don't think that if you not stitched that there is any case for
alarm at all.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back into
one. see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web site
http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just said,
"rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best
procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL" for
rb lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL". They
want you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about stitching.
To me there really is little evidence that it is needed with the wide
capstrip that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less
width catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said show
me, I did. I don't need failure evidence. I just follow the
Manufacture recommended procedure. In this case the Manufacture is Poly
Fiber not Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering and how to
install it. Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't argue
an exact airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That is
a foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching.
However, I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top
outboard) that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a
small amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in
stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the
rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that
the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the
joint/glue/break first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber
highly recommends rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a
mechanical fastening between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on
Kitfox or Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is
formed when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear
the failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many people
consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just plain
too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did
not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc
lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Dave,
No offence to John but, the plain fact is that Poly Fiber (the
Manufacturer) is recommending rib stitching on "their" product. Why is
that so hard to accept? You say that Poly Fiber is "absolutely" being
liability careful and there is "NO" doubt about that. Do you have first
hand knowledge of the internal workings of Poly Fiber? How can you make
such a statement?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Sportplane -- I mean John McBean
Poly fiber is asbsolutly being careful for liability reasons. no doubt
about that.
Personally it is a choice, but then again so is a BRS chute ......in
a Kitfox I don;t see the need for either.
I won't fly in a plane that needs a parachute unless it strapped to
myself when a test pilot.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
Who is sportplane and what do they have to do with Poly Fiber
procedures? As far as Poly Fiber being over cautious, that is the side
I would follow for life critical aircraft components. If you don't want
to rib lace, fine. There are more reasons to rib lace than not. It is
the builders choice.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, Thanks fo the info. What does sportplane recomend?
I would tend to think that there is nothing wrong with or with-out
stitching.
I have no trouble flying without stitching. And remeber Poly
fibrre is most likely being over cautious for liability reasoning.
I don't think that if you not stitched that there is any case for
alarm at all.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back
into one. see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web
site http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just
said, "rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best
procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL" for
rb lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL". They
want you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about
stitching. To me there really is little evidence that it is needed with
the wide capstrip that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less
width catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said
show me, I did. I don't need failure evidence. I just follow the
Manufacture recommended procedure. In this case the Manufacture is Poly
Fiber not Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering and how to
install it. Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't argue
an exact airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That is
a foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stitching.
However, I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the fuselage top
outboard) that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are held on by a
small amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is holding in
stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the joint of the
rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly suggest that
the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the
joint/glue/break first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber
highly recommends rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a
mechanical fastening between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on
Kitfox or Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is
formed when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should
fear the failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many
people consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just
plain too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get
into the stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly
Fiber did not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from fabirc
lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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Don,
What does the airplane Kit manufacturer ask for in build manual?
That is what is required for inspection here. Possibly more but you
cannot make a design change without approval.
Don, you summed it up here quite well in your quote " I do not know of
any wing failures due to not rib stitching. "
anymore questions ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
No offence to John but, the plain fact is that Poly Fiber (the
Manufacturer) is recommending rib stitching on "their" product. Why is
that so hard to accept? You say that Poly Fiber is "absolutely" being
liability careful and there is "NO" doubt about that. Do you have first
hand knowledge of the internal workings of Poly Fiber? How can you make
such a statement?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Sportplane -- I mean John McBean
Poly fiber is asbsolutly being careful for liability reasons. no
doubt about that.
Personally it is a choice, but then again so is a BRS chute
......in a Kitfox I don;t see the need for either.
I won't fly in a plane that needs a parachute unless it strapped to
myself when a test pilot.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
Who is sportplane and what do they have to do with Poly Fiber
procedures? As far as Poly Fiber being over cautious, that is the side
I would follow for life critical aircraft components. If you don't want
to rib lace, fine. There are more reasons to rib lace than not. It is
the builders choice.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, Thanks fo the info. What does sportplane recomend?
I would tend to think that there is nothing wrong with or
with-out stitching.
I have no trouble flying without stitching. And remeber Poly
fibrre is most likely being over cautious for liability reasoning.
I don't think that if you not stitched that there is any case
for alarm at all.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Dave,
You made two post on the same subject so I put them back
into one. see below.
First post,
"that cruise over 130 mph"
Not very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review the Poly Fiber web
site http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any speed just
said, "rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the best
procedures for installing their product.
Second post,
>>What did the former companies reco-mend ?>>
I already stated that my SS manual used the term "OPTIONAL"
for rb lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with the term "OPTIONAL".
They want you to rib lace.
>>Show me where they separate and I will think about
stitching. To me there really is little evidence that it is needed with
the wide capstrip that we have.
I have covered Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or
less width catstrip and never seen one come loose yet .>>
I already stated there has been one cap failure. You said
show me, I did. I don't need failure evidence. I just follow the
Manufacture recommended procedure. In this case the Manufacture is Poly
Fiber not Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering and how to
install it. Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't argue
an exact airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That is
a foolish discussion.
Don Smythe
I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib
stitching. However, I do recall one rib cap failure (the one on the
fuselage top outboard) that came loose in flight. Those 1" rib caps are
held on by a small amount of glue and very small staples. The glue is
holding in stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fillet at the
joint of the rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would strongly
suggest that the joint would break before the plywood.
Either way, we could talk all week about the
joint/glue/break first/break second and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber
highly recommends rib lacing on their product. Rib lacing provides a
mechanical fastening between the top and bottom rib caps.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Don, do you know of any failures of non sticked wings on
Kitfox or Avids ?
The capstrip is about an inch wide plus the fillet that
is formed when you attach.
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should
fear the failure of the plywood itself before the glue lets go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
In my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many
people consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just
plain too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get
into the stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly
Fiber did not consider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely
necessary. This was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when
I was stitching. My SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly
Fiber greatly disagreed.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
Jerry,
that like saying is there a reason to stitch ?
How many problems has there actually been from
fabirc lifting ?
Mine are not stitched.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Jerry
My plane is a Kitfox 2 high lift wing and is not rib stitched. Never
had a problem in over 700 hours now, she started her flying career in
99. I did not build the plane. If i were to do it ,I would ribstitch . I
love the look of a nicely done stitch job.
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: stitching ribs |
Ya, I've got one. Why would you even want to take the chance on being the f
irst casualty when the answer is one that basically doesn't weigh anything,
costs next to nothing, yet gives you a little stronger product. I was will
ing to invest 10 - 12 hours to eliminate one more possible problem. After a
ll, isn't homebuilding all about learning to build the safest product possi
ble? Rib stitching is a very interesting skill to learn and after a while i
t can be an enjoyable experience. I would do it again in a heartbeat.=0A=0A
Gary Olson=0AOshkosh=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: dave <dave
@cfisher.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2
007 8:47:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0ADon, =0A
=0AWhat does the airplane Kit manufacturer ask for in build manual? =0ATha
t is what is required for inspection here. Possibly more but you cannot mak
e a design change without approval.=0A =0ADon, you summed it up here quite
well in your quote " I do not know of any wing failures due to not rib stit
ching. " =0A =0A =0Aanymore questions ? =0A =0A =0A =0ADave=0A =0A =0A =0A
=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Don Smythe =0ATo: kitfox-list@matr
onics.com =0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:55 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-L
ist: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A No offence to John but, the plain f
act is that Poly Fiber (the Manufacturer) is recommending rib stitching on
"their" product. Why is that so hard to accept? You say that Poly Fiber i
s "absolutely" being liability careful and there is "NO" doubt about that.
Do you have first hand knowledge of the internal workings of Poly Fiber?
How can you make such a statement? =0A =0ADon Smythe=0A----- Original Mess
age ----- =0AFrom: dave =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, J
anuary 29, 2007 7:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0A
Sportplane -- I mean John McBean =0A =0APoly fiber is asbsolutly being care
ful for liability reasons. no doubt about that. =0A =0APersonally it is a c
hoice, but then again so is a BRS chute ......in a Kitfox I don;t see the
need for either.=0AI won't fly in a plane that needs a parachute unless it
strapped to myself when a test pilot.=0A =0ADave=0A =0A =0A----- Original M
essage ----- =0AFrom: Don Smythe =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent:
Monday, January 29, 2007 5:18 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs
=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A Who is sportplane and what do they have to do with Pol
y Fiber procedures? As far as Poly Fiber being over cautious, that is the
side I would follow for life critical aircraft components. If you don't w
ant to rib lace, fine. There are more reasons to rib lace than not. It is
the builders choice. =0A =0ADon Smythe=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message --
--- =0AFrom: dave =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, January
29, 2007 3:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0ADon, T
hanks fo the info. What does sportplane recomend? =0A =0AI would tend to t
hink that there is nothing wrong with or with-out stitching. =0A =0A I have
no trouble flying without stitching. And remeber Poly fibrre is most likel
y being over cautious for liability reasoning. =0A =0AI don't think that i
f you not stitched that there is any case for alarm at all. =0A =0A =0A =0A
Dave=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Don Smythe =0ATo: kitf
ox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:47 PM=0ASubject:
Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0ADave,=0A You made two post on th
e same subject so I put them back into one. see below.=0A =0AFirst post,
=0A"that cruise over 130 mph"=0ANot very many cruise over 130 MPH. Review t
he Poly Fiber web site http://www.polyfiber.com/. It does not mention any
speed just said, "rib lace". They are the manufacture and should know the
best procedures for installing their product.=0A =0ASecond post, =0A>>What
did the former companies reco-mend ?>>=0AI already stated that my SS manua
l used the term "OPTIONAL" for rb lacing. Poly Fiber does not agree with t
he term "OPTIONAL". They want you to rib lace.=0A =0A>>Show me where they
separate and I will think about stitching. To me there really is little ev
idence that it is needed with the wide capstrip that we have. =0AI have c
overed Ultralights with fabirc that have 1/2 " or less width catstrip and n
ever seen one come loose yet .>> =0A =0AI already stated there has been one
cap failure. You said show me, I did. I don't need failure evidence. I
just follow the Manufacture recommended procedure. In this case the Manufa
cture is Poly Fiber not Kitfox. Poly Fiber designed the fabric covering an
d how to install it. Denny/Skystar/etc. only use their product. I can't a
rgue an exact airspeed where rib lacing or not will save your bacon. That
is a foolish discussion.=0A =0ADon Smythe=0A =0A=0A =0AI do not know of any
wing failures due to not rib stitching. However, I do recall one rib cap
failure (the one on the fuselage top outboard) that came loose in flight.
Those 1" rib caps are held on by a small amount of glue and very small stap
les. The glue is holding in stress not shear. I do not recall seeing a fi
llet at the joint of the rib cap/rib. However, it's been a while. I would
strongly suggest that the joint would break before the plywood.=0A Eith
er way, we could talk all week about the joint/glue/break first/break secon
d and it wouldn't matter. Poly Fiber highly recommends rib lacing on their
product. Rib lacing provides a mechanical fastening between the top and b
ottom rib caps.=0A =0ADon Smythe=0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom
: dave =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1
2:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0ADon, do you know
of any failures of non sticked wings on Kitfox or Avids ? =0AThe capstrip
is about an inch wide plus the fillet that is formed when you attach. =0A
I would guess unlessa poor job wasdone that you should fear the failure of
the plywood itself before the glue lets go. =0A =0A =0ADave =0A =0A =0A----
- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Don Smythe =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.c
om =0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:15 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: s
titching ribs=0A=0A=0AIn my opinion, "Reasons Not To Stitch" is that many p
eople consider stitching either too hard, too time consuming, or just pla
in too intimidating. None of these reasons are true once you get into the
stitching process. "Reasons To Stitch"....At one time, Poly Fiber did not c
onsider stitching an option but, considered it absolutely necessary. This
was stated by Poly Fiber on several occasions back when I was stitching. My
SS manual referred to stitching as an "OPTION". Poly Fiber greatly disagre
ed.=0A =0ADon Smythe=0A =0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: da
ve =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:24
AM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: stitching ribs=0A=0A=0AJerry, =0Athat like
saying is there a reason to stitch ?=0A =0A =0AHow many problems has there
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Questions |
At 09:04 AM 1/29/2007, you wrote:
>--How do you clean/remove/maintain the "finger filters" in the tank?
Mine are 3/8 NPT brass threaded into the fiberglass tank. I remove them,
clean them, carefully clean the threads in the tank with a tap, carefully
clean the threads on the filter with a die, then re-install them with two
part polysulfide sealant.
If possible, I recommend installing permanent brass adapters in the tank,
so the finger strainers can be taken out easily and repeatedly without
ruining the tank threads. I wish I had.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Fuel System Questions=gasolator |
All,
Earlier in the thread on fuel systems there was mention of gasolators, I was
wondering what people are running on thier 912's. I have a 5 with duel wing
tanks and the header behind the seat. Currently do not have a gascolator but
was looking to add one.
Any thoughts?
Lloyd
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Thanks for all the input lots of good information, for those who wants to know
;I feel that Don Smythe said it best and I will stitch the ribs sound like fun
anyway, someone said not use flat lace, that sound right the safety and know
it can't hurt and the looks I'm sold THANKS
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
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