Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:09 AM - fox 1 (KNAPP & GOFFREDI)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: CG, sensation, and axes motion (Bob)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: fox 1 (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: CG, sensation, and axes motion (Bradley M Webb)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Vixen Information (Bob)
6. 06:01 AM - Kitfox Series 5 (helicop)
7. 07:58 AM - FW: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
8. 08:46 AM - New Guy (Leroy Kopecky)
9. 09:06 AM - Re: New Guy (Don Pearsall)
10. 09:15 AM - rough running 912ul (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
11. 10:08 AM - Re: New Guy (Lowell Fitt)
12. 11:46 AM - Re: New Guy (Fox5flyer)
13. 01:14 PM - Re: New Guy (DO NOT ARCHIVE) (Ted Palamarek)
14. 01:42 PM - Re: New Guy (Barry West)
15. 02:34 PM - Re: New Guy (Peter Graichen)
16. 02:37 PM - Re: New Guy (Tom Jones)
17. 03:15 PM - Re: New Guy (Roger McConnell)
18. 03:42 PM - Re: New Guy (Peter Graichen)
19. 06:06 PM - Re: New Guy (Leroy Kopecky)
20. 07:15 PM - Re: rough running 912ul (jeff puls)
21. 07:17 PM - Re: New Guy (Tim Vader)
22. 07:51 PM - New guy / Revmaster (ron schick)
23. 08:02 PM - XLS spreadsheat? (ron schick)
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Need airheart disc brake back plate, mounting plates,cylinders to gear
legs
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| Subject: | Re: CG, sensation, and axes motion |
Since it was lost in the fuel system discussion and you wanted this to be kept,
I'll copy it here. Thanks for the kind words.
Bob
In Cessnas, Kitfoxes, and the like, your head, the CG, and the CL are all within
a few inches. Basically, the airplane maneuvers about this small sphere that
your head is in and yaw is not as pronounced. In the Glasair, Lancair, and some
of the other pocket rockets, the pilot's inner ear is actually pretty far aft
of this; naturally the pilot can better feel yaw. As an interesting aside,
yaw dampers in airliners typically only have max rudder authority of a few degrees,
but turn them off and people in the ends of the cabin can get sick or have
trouble standing.
The Kitfox was designed to be a light airplane and here comes the tie-in to altering
an airplane's design. We all like to have "stuff" that adds weight. If we
put that weight in the center of the airplane, it diminishes our useful load.
However, as we add say a heavier engine in the front and ballast in the tail,
bigger tailwheel, aft batteries, etc, we don't just diminish the useful load,
we diminish the inertial stability of the design that the flight controls are
sized to manipulate. Handling a cross-wind gust at low speed can come closer
to the limits of rudder control, ground-loops become easier, and spin recovery
takes more effort. Keeping your airplane light will help keep the inertia, and
controllability, as it was designed to be.
Bob
Aero Eng, A&P
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snaps I will call a guy today he recked I side gear and may have one mal
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| Subject: | Re: CG, sensation, and axes motion |
Yes, thank you for that. This is a good write, and needs to be available for
reference.
Bradley
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CG, sensation, and axes motion
Since it was lost in the fuel system discussion and you wanted this to be
kept, I'll copy it here. Thanks for the kind words.
Bob
In Cessnas, Kitfoxes, and the like, your head, the CG, and the CL are all
within a few inches. Basically, the airplane maneuvers about this small
sphere that your head is in and yaw is not as pronounced. In the Glasair,
Lancair, and some of the other pocket rockets, the pilot's inner ear is
actually pretty far aft of this; naturally the pilot can better feel yaw. As
an interesting aside, yaw dampers in airliners typically only have max
rudder authority of a few degrees, but turn them off and people in the ends
of the cabin can get sick or have trouble standing.
The Kitfox was designed to be a light airplane and here comes the tie-in to
altering an airplane's design. We all like to have "stuff" that adds weight.
If we put that weight in the center of the airplane, it diminishes our
useful load. However, as we add say a heavier engine in the front and
ballast in the tail, bigger tailwheel, aft batteries, etc, we don't just
diminish the useful load, we diminish the inertial stability of the design
that the flight controls are sized to manipulate. Handling a cross-wind gust
at low speed can come closer to the limits of rudder control, ground-loops
become easier, and spin recovery takes more effort. Keeping your airplane
light will help keep the inertia, and controllability, as it was designed to
be.
Bob
Aero Eng, A&P
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| Subject: | Re: Vixen Information |
Hi Mark (and others) -
I haven't really introduced myself to the group. I work in DC as an Aircraft Systems
Engineer, although my position description says "Aero." I also try to
keep my A&P active on the side. I haven't outright built anything since a glider
in the late 1970s, but have bought and sold "clean-up" project planes. Tired
of blowing 8+ gph of avgas in the last one, a 100 mph Beech Sport, I recently
bought a time capsule of a hardly-started 1992 Vixen kit with quick-build
wings. One of the few things that has been started on this kit is to convert
the gear so it can be a taildragger, using a Grove spring. The structure is much
like later models from the factory that can go nose or tailwheel. I've been
searching the archives here and on the predecessor Yahoo group for what others
have done and had problems with and really appreciate the history. I intend
to finish the gear mod and expand the cargo compartment, but want to get it
done and keep it light so otherwise plan few mods, probably powering with a 100-hp
912S or 120-hp 3300. I live close enough to DC that I'll need a transponder
and comm radio. I enjoy reading of you guys who are actively flying and if
you are close enough for a ride I'd love to pay the gas.
Bob
BTW to Mark. As I understand, you have an 80-hp engine and are doing close to
90 mph (80 kts). Others probably can tell better and checking the real speed
with a GPS is a good idea, but on 80hp you're probably close to what the airplane
should do, especially if the tires are unfaired.
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I am new to the list and recently really became interested in the Kitfox. I had
not even seen one until this past weekend when Don Smythe had made arrangements
for me to see Ronnie Lindsey's 5 and Warren Miller's 4. Being a big guy (6-2
250) I soon realized that the 5 was more comfortable for my size. As Don,
Ronnie, and Warren can attest, I have alot of questions. Right now I am trying
to figure out if a Series 5 will fit inside of an enclosed trailer. Do any
of you have any experience with this, or know anyone that has. I am not sure about
the width or height, but I am sure you would probably need a 8.5 foot wide
trailer. If you have any information, I would really appreciate it.
Also, I would like to thank all the members of the group for sharing their information
and experience. Alot of you go to great length to answer a question,
and although I may not have any clue of what you are talking about, I appreciate
the effort. I admire those of you that built your Kitfox, because it would
take me 15 years to get it out of the box. I would much rather enjoy the flying.
Thanks again,
Gary Goss
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| Subject: | FW: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered |
NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25622_1170691052_2
NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4914_1170690189_0--
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Hello To All!
I'm new to this site, but have been reading your comments for a while.
Just wanted to say "hi" and hope that I can comment on a subject or two.
LeRoy
Wisconsin
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Welcome to the list LeRoy. Tell us about yourself - do you have a 'fox, or
are considering getting one?
Don Pearsall
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Kopecky
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Guy
Hello To All!
I'm new to this site, but have been reading your comments for a while. Just
wanted to say "hi" and hope that I can comment on a subject or two.
LeRoy
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | rough running 912ul |
my 912 engine began running roughly a few weeks ago and I attibuted it to cold
weather. adjustments to mixture did not alter the rough running.
in checking the plugs those in the front two cylinders were wet, sooty black and
the those from the rear cylinders were toasty brown. (Pictures available upon
request).
any suggestions about the possible cause of the obvious uneven burning of the fuel/air
mixture between the front and rear cylinders?
John Kerr
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and the those from the rear cylinders were toasty brown. (Pictures available
upon request).</DIV>
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the fuel/air mixture between the front and rear cylinders?</DIV>
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LeRoy,
Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a reminder.
I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes that list members have reported
to the list. I enjoy referring to it from time to time and think it might
be time for an update. I will post the spreadsheet as an attachment for
those who have not seen it. I would also be interested in adding to the
spreadsheet anyone who is building or just interested. As far as I am
concerned anyone who has in interest in the Kitfox is well within the bounds
of the fraternity. I can add catagories as need arises.
Lowell.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leroy Kopecky" <kopecky@milwpc.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Guy
Hello To All!
I'm new to this site, but have been reading your comments for a while. Just
wanted to say "hi" and hope that I can comment on a subject or two.
LeRoy
Wisconsin
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Hi Lowell. Below are a couple items you can add to my section of the spread
sheet.
Great job!
Deke
1. TT engine and airframe: about 390 hours
2. Prop: NSI CAP Electric
3. Age: 6 (airplane) 61(me)
4. N Number: N148DM
5. E-W: ? Don't know what that means.
6. Federal 1500 skis
Hope this helps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
> LeRoy,
>
> Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a
reminder.
> I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes that list members have
reported
> to the list. I enjoy referring to it from time to time and think it might
> be time for an update. I will post the spreadsheet as an attachment for
> those who have not seen it. I would also be interested in adding to the
> spreadsheet anyone who is building or just interested. As far as I am
> concerned anyone who has in interest in the Kitfox is well within the
bounds
> of the fraternity. I can add catagories as need arises.
>
> Lowell.
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| Subject: | New Guy (DO NOT ARCHIVE) |
Come on fellows let's not let the new fellow start on the wrong foot --- how
about DO NOT ARCHIVE on this fluff stuff as requested by many on the list.
Its hell to go through the archives and wade through all the fluff.
Fire away
Ted Palamarek
Do Not Archive
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Sent: February 5, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Guy
Welcome to the list LeRoy. Tell us about yourself - do you have a 'fox, or
are considering getting one?
Don Pearsall
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Kopecky
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Guy
Hello To All!
I'm new to this site, but have been reading your comments for a while. Just
wanted to say "hi" and hope that I can comment on a subject or two.
LeRoy
Wisconsin
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Lowell, I am on the list but need toadd some items
Mine is a Classid IV
location, Northwest Arkansas
475 hours on airplane and engine
prop is GSC 3 blade
my age is 76
empty weight is 600 lbs
N number is 880 BW
email is barry@pgtc.com
I will be at Oshkosh for 13th time this year and will volunteer to work in
the tech counselors area.
The list is a great idea, we need for more people to provide more
information
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
> LeRoy,
>
> Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a
> reminder.
> I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes that list members have
> reported
> to the list. I enjoy referring to it from time to time and think it might
> be time for an update. I will post the spreadsheet as an attachment for
> those who have not seen it. I would also be interested in adding to the
> spreadsheet anyone who is building or just interested. As far as I am
> concerned anyone who has in interest in the Kitfox is well within the
> bounds
> of the fraternity. I can add catagories as need arises.
>
> Lowell.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leroy Kopecky" <kopecky@milwpc.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:33 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Guy
>
>
> Hello To All!
>
> I'm new to this site, but have been reading your comments for a while.
> Just
> wanted to say "hi" and hope that I can comment on a subject or two.
>
> LeRoy
> Wisconsin
>
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Hi Lowell:
I have added my info. Thanks.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, 05 February, 2007 13:08
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
LeRoy,
Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a reminder.
I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes that list members have reported
to the list. I enjoy referring to it from time to time and think it might
be time for an update. I will post the spreadsheet as an attachment for
those who have not seen it. I would also be interested in adding to the
spreadsheet anyone who is building or just interested. As far as I am
concerned anyone who has in interest in the Kitfox is well within the bounds
of the fraternity. I can add catagories as need arises.
Lowell.
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Lowell, you can add my kitfox to the data base.
Classic IV
503 rotax
tail wheel
Ellensburg, WA
2 hrs.
warp drive 72" 2 blade
7 years old
546 pounds empty
N503TJ
Tom Jones
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Lowell
Here's some more info on myself.
Location: Duncan, OK
N-number: N619RM
Prop: GSC 3 blade
Age: 51
E-mail: rdmac:swbell.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
LeRoy,
Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a reminder.
I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes that list members have reported
to the list. I enjoy referring to it from time to time and think it might
be time for an update. I will post the spreadsheet as an attachment for
those who have not seen it. I would also be interested in adding to the
spreadsheet anyone who is building or just interested. As far as I am
concerned anyone who has in interest in the Kitfox is well within the bounds
of the fraternity. I can add catagories as need arises.
Lowell.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leroy Kopecky" <kopecky@milwpc.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Guy
Hello To All!
I'm new to this site, but have been reading your comments for a while. Just
wanted to say "hi" and hope that I can comment on a subject or two.
LeRoy
Wisconsin
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Hi again Lowell :
Sorry I attached the wrong xls file in my reply of an hour ago. Rather than
me modifying your list and attaching it, I'll just attach my info and you
put it in your list:
Graichen
Peter
5
NSI EA81
TW
Cuyahoga Flls, OH
1,100 hrs
NSI CAP
72
E-W: "Very Fat"
N10PGn10pg@neo.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen
Sent: Monday, 05 February, 2007 17:34
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Guy
Hi Lowell:
I have added my info. Thanks.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, 05 February, 2007 13:08
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
LeRoy,
Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a reminder.
I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes ...........
Lowell.
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Hi Lowell:
I'm the proud owner of a KF Classic IV. It has a Revmaster 4 cycle engine.
It's also a taildragger (something I'm still getting used to...had a trike
before).
Let me know what other information you'd like. Also, I'd like to hear from
other Revmaster owners.
Thanks for the welcome.
LeRoy P. Kopecky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Guy
> Hi Lowell:
> I have added my info. Thanks.
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Monday, 05 February, 2007 13:08
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
>
> LeRoy,
>
> Thanks for introducing yourself. This might be a good time for a
reminder.
> I have a spreadsheet with all the airplanes that list members have
reported
> to the list. I enjoy referring to it from time to time and think it might
> be time for an update. I will post the spreadsheet as an attachment for
> those who have not seen it. I would also be interested in adding to the
> spreadsheet anyone who is building or just interested. As far as I am
> concerned anyone who has in interest in the Kitfox is well within the
bounds
> of the fraternity. I can add catagories as need arises.
>
> Lowell.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rough running 912ul |
John,
Your rear plugs will burn from a brown to gray. Your front plugs will
burn jet black. Stand back and look at your manifold. The long straight
unobstructed distance gives you that look to the front cyclinders. The
rear gets a 90 degree bend to the rear cyclinder. The color of the plugs
is normal. Jeff Classic IV 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
To: Kitfox
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: rough running 912ul
my 912 engine began running roughly a few weeks ago and I attibuted it
to cold weather. adjustments to mixture did not alter the rough
running.
in checking the plugs those in the front two cylinders were wet, sooty
black and the those from the rear cylinders were toasty brown. (Pictures
available upon request).
any suggestions about the possible cause of the obvious uneven burning
of the fuel/air mixture between the front and rear cylinders?
John Kerr
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Leroy
Have you had the opportunity yet to assemble any performance figures for
the plane. Cruise speed, rate of climb, fuel burn, take off distance etc.
I'd be interested to hear about the Revmaster in a Kitfox.
Tim Vader
Classic IV
Subaru
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leroy Kopecky" <kopecky@milwpc.com>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Guy
>
> Hi Lowell:
>
> I'm the proud owner of a KF Classic IV. It has a Revmaster 4 cycle
> engine.
> It's also a taildragger (something I'm still getting used to...had a trike
> before).
>
> Let me know what other information you'd like. Also, I'd like to hear
> from
> other Revmaster owners.
>
> Thanks for the welcome.
>
> LeRoy P. Kopecky
>
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| Subject: | New guy / Revmaster |
Hi Leroy. I almost missed your post as I have been buried with work and
only reading certain topics. I hope you post a new subject with your
performance specs when you know them. I have a new Revmaster in the garage
and wonder what it is capable of. Ron NB Oregon, model IV Speedster
1915cc VW 1.6:1 redrive 72" Ivo. ~700 fpm 92 kts WOT ~3 GPH 87 octane.
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something more.
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| Subject: | XLS spreadsheat? |
Lowell I'm unable to open the file. How about some help as to what program
to use. Is there a trick to get it open? Thought I had this #@%^ computer
figured out. Ron NB Ore
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